My How The Game Has Changed

[LAZERUSS]

Look at these dinosaurs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTs918TZ-qo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnw3hRFoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOD8VtNIm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCo84u8tKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbFcAYrco18


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NUC_mflTI

[The Choken One]

Skipped to a random part in the first video... some guy blows a wide open layout leading to a transition shot for the other team...BRICK.

Strong skill level.

edit: After watching just a few minutes... lol @ anyone who thinks Wilt would be as dominate as he was then in today's NBA. He's like a DeAndre Jordan minus the ups.

[kennethgriffin]

Look at these dinosaurs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTs918TZ-qo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnw3hRFoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOD8VtNIm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBCo84u8tKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbFcAYrco18


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NUC_mflTI



i swear theres absolutely no defensive strategy or offensive system other than weaves and cuts. the passes are all like 5 feet away. slow one handed head down dribbling. having to pick up their dribble any time a defender is within arms length. no fluid form shooting. barely any successful outside shooting ( partly due to no three point line so people not really practising it ). wild shot after wild shot. this is some ugly slow a** basketball


and even then its the 70's which was 100 times better than the 60's.. atleast the 70's looked somewhat like basketball


i've said it before many times. i rank guys for what they did in their era. bill russell is a goat candidate. but stop trying to shove this crap down our throats. the game evolves every decade.

and the only reason the league looks watered down today is because of expansion. the best players are still great. the 2nd tier are still improving. its the lowest tier of the nba that is keeping them from going forward today. the league should trim down to 20-22 teams

[LAZERUSS]

Skipped to a random part in the first video... some guy blows a wide open layout leading to a transition shot for the other team...BRICK.

Strong skill level.

edit: After watching just a few minutes... lol @ anyone who thinks Wilt would be as dominate as he was then in today's NBA. He's like a DeAndre Jordan minus the ups.

Of course you are right. No one in this era would ever miss an easy layup...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrE3vrvtE6w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3NvhxKicJY

And even DeAndre Jordan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecZyHNgrE5k


As for the Wilt comment...

We have approximately 2% of Wilt's NBA career on video. And there is no footage of any of Wilt's 271 40+ point games in his NBA career.

But here is one of my favorites anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And if you want some more extensive Wilt videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=splnUR-52jM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCtmgxwsiJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDMCh5HrcG0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STXbuXGPdoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpmGuCmGnc


Keep in mind that Chamberlain was considerably taller, longer, heavier, stronger, more athletic, and far more skilled than DeAndre Jordan has ever been.

So, to better answer your question...considering this is one of the WEAKEST eras in NBA history at the CENTER position, I would say that a prime Chamberlain would FEAST on the current NBA.

[LAZERUSS]

An early Alcindor in the mid-60's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfkalgtZraE


More Kareem from '77...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coHMKlx7Was&playnext=1&videos=YqP06ya0k4w


A 39 year old Kareem vs Hakeem and Sampson in '86...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGJl2MfyiI


Pistol Pete from the late 60's and thru the end of his NBA career...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ


McAdoo in '75...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ


College Bill Walton in '73...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAnC4cBXAuY


David Thompson in '78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPV-vxHRTo

[iznogood]

I just finished watching the 2nd half of the game 4 of the 1971 Finals. It was an interesting experience. I never had a chance to watch a longer clip from the 70s like this one, so here are some of my observations.

- I do believe 3 point line creates the biggest difference regarding spacing and offensive tactics.

- Ball handling rules are enforced totally different.

- The level of athleticism seems to be similar to me, but the game was officiated much softer. Not to say there were no hard fouls, but if an NBA game was officiated like that today, everybody would end up with 6 fouls before half time. I also believe this rules account for some of the scoring. IMHO it also allows players to play more minutes, since battling for position and playing through contact is what really wears you down.

- I didn't see no off ball screens, though players use other players as screeners, they just don't set picks.

- Defensive schemes are much simpler.

- Game is easier to watch. A lot of passing and a lot of shooting and almost no isolations. It also gets ugly at times when both teams loose a lot of balls one after another and miss a lot of shots, but it's still fun to watch.

[LAZERUSS]

I just finished watching the 2nd half of the game 4 of the 1971 Finals. It was an interesting experience. I never had a chance to watch a longer clip from the 70s like this one, so here are some of my observations.

- I do believe 3 point line creates the biggest difference regarding spacing and offensive tactics.

- Ball handling rules are enforced totally different.

- The level of athleticism seems to be similar to me, but the game was officiated much softer. Not to say there were no hard fouls, but if an NBA game was officiated like that today, everybody would end up with 6 fouls before half time. I also believe this rules account for some of the scoring. IMHO it also allows players to play more minutes, since battling for position and playing through contact is what really wears you down.

- I didn't see no off ball screens, though players use other players as screeners, they just don't set picks.

- Defensive schemes are much simpler.

- Game is easier to watch. A lot of passing and a lot of shooting and almost no isolations. It also gets ugly at times when both teams loose a lot of balls one after another and miss a lot of shots, but it's still fun to watch.

Damn...we need more posters here like this guy...

:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap_50s5mNuI

Best quality footage of a full game of "60's" basketball that I'm aware of.

[Richesly]

Thank you jlauber for reminding me how trash that era was.

[LAZERUSS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap_50s5mNuI

Best quality footage of a full game of "60's" basketball that I'm aware of.

This was not a peak Kareem (Alcindor) just yet, although by the end of his rookie season he was very close to it. But how about Walt Bellamy, nearing the end of his career, and well past his prime?

[LAZERUSS]

League-wide FT% shooting in 1958-59: .756.
League-wide FT% shooting in 1973-74: .771
League-wide FT% shooting in 2013-14: .756.

[1987_Lakers]

jlauber? Who the hell is jlauber?



I would say that Walton's 71-72 team was the greatest college team of all-time, going 30-0 and with a ppg differential of 94.6 to 64.3, or +30.3 (which is the all-time record.) And Walton's championship game in '73 was the greatest single game ever, by anyone. 44 points, on 21-22 shooting, with 13 rebounds.



I still remember Walton's soph year at UCLA. Coming into that season he was highly touted, but most pre-season mags had other players ranked ahead of him (like Tom Riker and Tom McMillen.) That 71-72 UCLA team became, IMHO, the greatest team in college basketball history. They not only went 30-0, they destroyed their opponents by an average margin of 98-64.

:oldlol:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347673&page=8

[played0ut]

I like this guy, but seriously I don't get the ****ing point of alternate accounts.






What am i missing here? Is it for more tangible validation for one's posts?

[Rocketswin2013]

I like this guy, but seriously I don't get the ****ing point of alternate accounts.






What am i missing here? Is it for more tangible validation for one's posts?
I don't think he uses the jlauber anymore. Still a good poster regardless though.

[BoutPractice]

Young Alcindor is one of the most terrifying players I've seen on film, along with peak Shaq... (Sadly there's little footage of scoring Chamberlain) He's too long, too skilled, too agile for the competition, and combines the softest offensive touch with superb passing ability... on defense he swats shots like flies... he's just gracefully towering over the game.

Can you imagine how exciting it would be if a freak like this came into the league in 2014? As amazing a prospect as Anthony Davis is by modern standards, he would only be "pretty good" compared to such a monster.

[3ball]

If you took the 3-point line out of today's game so guys only shot two's like in OP's vids, today's game would look a lot like those games... no spacing, congestion and everyone on both sides of the ball positioned a lot closer to the rim on average.

But those guys got up and down back then... a game with all two's is a faster paced game.. you don't need to be as open to shoot a mid-range shot as you do a 3, so less offense needs to be run.


Look below at an example of the open paint in today's game where 4 shooters spread the floor and the defense has to extend to the 3-point line to guard them... plus today's defensive 3 seconds rule also removes defenders from the paint... as you can see, there is often zero rim protection.. I'm pretty sure Wilt would prefer this kind of environment to the paint congestion he dealt with in his era where there was no 3-point line.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Todays_No_Defense_Lack_of_Rim_eb5a1b1afe17e31ce272 eb4e3ae0f8e9.gif



Compare that to the paint in a game without 3-pointers, floor spacing or defensive 3 seconds - seen below.. which one is harder to score in the paint?... heck, which one is harder to drive and get all the way to the rim?.. no wonder guys are posting up so much back then (in addition to the rules being different such as no carrying, making it harder on perimeter players - in other words, put today's carrying guard back then when they couldn't carry, and they would look a lot like the guards back then).

Keep in mind that the lack of spacing meant that contested mid-range shots were the norm in previous eras, putting downward pressure on efficiency that today's players are not burdened with.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Paint_Congestion_in_Wilts_Era__e5cc5559f5ecbd15aef ec46a22dd4b99.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

the 3 point line has changed the game?!?! who would've thought...

[casual_fan]

watched the first video. I

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=casual_fan]watched the first video. I

[casual_fan]

there's just as much BS that goes on in the modern game it just comes in the form of different plays. Such as terrible ball handling (seems like every player in the league today can't dribble the ball unless they carry) and terrible no-calls on footwork at times (lots of traveling... ), prominent ticy tac fouling on drivers and flopping, a general lack of ball movement and dependence on ISO plays, etc

Neither version of the game being played is better or worse, unless you have a strong opinion about some of these otherwise subtle differences. IMO it's just as dumb to say that game was inferior to today's game as it sounds if you tried to say it the other way around. It was just different. And not even in obvious ways, you still rebound, dribble, pass and shoot with 5 guys on a team and 2 10 foot baskets. The game is still like 90% similar. Takes a second glance to start to notice all the little differences.

I was of course looking for the differences since i was interested how the game was played back then. Mostly it was better than expected and there might be teams playing today just as unfocused, however : not in the finals.

Look at the way the bucks give up an open shot whenever washington sets a screen.:facepalm

[SpecialQue]

I always assume that the people here who constantly talk shit about old school NBA players either have daddy issues or were smacked around/molested by an older male figure. That's the only thing that explains the venom directed towards players like Wilt and Russell by these kids.

[Cone]

Skipped to a random part in the first video... some guy blows a wide open layout leading to a transition shot for the other team...BRICK.

Strong skill level.

edit: After watching just a few minutes... lol @ anyone who thinks Wilt would be as dominate as he was then in today's NBA. He's like a DeAndre Jordan minus the ups.

you a retard boiiiiiiii

kobe is done boiiiiii

[STATUTORY]

nothing like seeing a bunch of guards with no offhand and resorting to dribbling with their back to the basket as soon as they cross halfcourt to convince people that the era was garbage