James Haren throws teammates under the bus?

[Inferno]

http://www.philstar.com/sports/2014/07/24/1349730/harden-says-phl-gilas-could-play-spurs

[QUOTE]Harden said he

[TheMarkMadsen]

"Rest of the guys"

Sorry Harden, the "rest of the guys" left your sorry ass.

Have funny flopping 20 times per game and choking in the playoffs, I really like your go to clutch offensive move, the "pump fake then flop" that shit is terrific.

[UK2K]

http://www.philstar.com/sports/2014/07/24/1349730/harden-says-phl-gilas-could-play-spurs



:coleman: Wasn't he best buds with Lin & Parsons before they left?
He was the exact opposite of buds with Lin...

But he's right about Parsons. The Rockets see him as a role player. The FO saw him as a role player. Everyone say him as a role player but the Mavs.

[Johnny Jones]

He was the exact opposite of buds with Lin...

But he's right about Parsons. The Rockets see him as a role player. The FO saw him as a role player. Everyone say him as a role player but the Mavs.
If anybody thought Parsons was just a role player they are legit retarded.

[Milbuck]

What do all of these players have in common?

Chris Douglas-Roberts
Kosta Koufos
Tiago Splitter
Shelvin Mack
Brandan Wright
Marreese Speights
Jermaine O'Neal
Dejuan Blair
Andray Blatche

[Inferno]

What do all of these players have in common?

Chris Douglas-Roberts
Kosta Koufos
Tiago Splitter
Shelvin Mack
Brandan Wright
Marreese Speights
Jermaine O'Neal
Dejuan Blair
Andray Blatche

They're all big men? :coleman:

EDIT: nope...

[Cocaine80s]

He was the exact opposite of buds with Lin...

But he's right about Parsons. The Rockets see him as a role player. The FO saw him as a role player. Everyone say him as a role player but the Mavs.
3rd option=role player?

go back to posting on clutchfans you retard

[Le Shaqtus]

This dude talking shit after he's the one that shit the bed in the playoffs.

[Milbuck]

They're all big men? :coleman:

EDIT: nope...
They all had a better playoff PER than James Harden :yaohappy:


Also, ****ing LOL at Harden calling 19/7/2/1 on 44/36/73 shooting Parsons just a role player.

[JohnFreeman]

least the rest of his team mates show up in the POs

[Cocaine80s]

even tho Lin fans will be annoying as ****...

I wanna see him have a breakout season like dragic and lowry did when they left houston


Then have him come in to houston and shit on mchale

(harden still my nig*a tho)

[jimmy77x]

A James Harden led team will never win a chip. Overratted iso ball chucker

[LBJFTW]

This rocket team looks like shit this year. I feel sorry for the fans that were use to seeing players like Yao and T-Mac perform.

[russwest0]

And this is why OKC traded this clown.

He came off a 12 PPG, 35% shooting finals followed by a 16PPG year and instantly demanded the max to come off the bench...

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Enjoy your money Harden. At least Morey was stupid enough to throw the max at you.

[Inferno]

They all had a better playoff PER than James Harden :yaohappy:


Also, ****ing LOL at Harden calling 19/7/2/1 on 44/36/73 shooting Parsons just a role player.

:lol :lol

[theaussieguy]

what a complete and utter *******, Lebron despite being the second coming of Jesus since a youngin can keep his ego in check better than this ****ing WANKER.

Ive said it again and Ill say it again. Dwight and Harden are the two biggest sh1t Kunts of the NBA. Sh1t people that will alienate themselves from a team before they ever get a chance to compete. They belong to rot together in houston with mcfail.

[ElPigto]

He isn't wrong, but he didn't have to say it out loud.

As much as I like Parsons, he definitely is not a max player. Dallas is getting a good player but not a 15M player.

[imnew09]

those calling harden the best SG are idiots. This guy is pure trash :lol

[Springsteen]

He isn't wrong, but he didn't have to say it out loud.

As much as I like Parsons, he definitely is not a max player. Dallas is getting a good player but not a 15M player.

How do you know he's even hit his ceiling yet? What if he gets even better next year?

Was it really worth not matching?

[russwest0]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e148/crazydonovan12/HardenScared_zpsb6d20172.png

[russwest0]

those calling harden the best SG are idiots. This guy is pure trash :lol

OKC almost traded him to the Wizards for pick 2 so they could draft Beal.

goddamn Wizards, why couldn't they be stupid :oldlol:

[Cold soul]

Harden is overrated chucker and a team cancer. You'll never win a NBA championship with him as your #1 option.

[russwest0]

Meh, it may come as a bit distasteful but what should he have said?? 'Yeah those guys were huge pieces of our team and we're going to greatly miss what they did for the team'. :confusedshrug: I like what he said better compared to that...

They aren't his teammates anymore, he shouldnt have to praise them at all, especially parsons since he was the only one that wasnt a role player and he decided to leave himself.

This is coming from a Harden hater too...

He's placing himself and Howard above everyone else on the team.

If I can paraphrase a Durant quote, they asked him something and included the line "Durant's team" or something and he said some shit about his teammates like

"we're all equals."

I don't remember it exactly but it was a really cool quote and the type of shit you want your leader saying, not this weak Harden "we're the cornerstones leading our team to first round exits" bullshit.

[UK2K]

3rd option=role player?

go back to posting on clutchfans you retard

He's not a cornerstone... Retard.

If you aren't a star, and you aren't a bench scrub, you are a role player. Everyone on that Rockets team was a role player except Harden and Howard.

Ibaka has a role.
Robin Lopez has a role.
Ray Allen had a role. Birdman had a role.
Lakers were full of role players who started.
Same thing with the Bucks.

There are stars, and there are role players who compliment those players.
:cheers:

[UK2K]

He isn't wrong, but he didn't have to say it out loud.

As much as I like Parsons, he definitely is not a max player. Dallas is getting a good player but not a 15M player.
Right. He is right but he shouldn't have said it out loud.

[Cocaine80s]

He's not a cornerstone... Retard.

If you aren't a star, and you aren't a bench scrub, you are a role player. Everyone on that Rockets team was a role player except Harden and Howard.

Ibaka has a role.
Robin Lopez has a role.
Ray Allen had a role. Birdman had a role.
Lakers were full of role players who started.
Same thing with the Bucks.

:cheers:
is bosh a role player?

[UK2K]

is bosh a role player?
Some teams have 3 stars.

They're called a big 3 for a reason.

[KungFuJoe]

Houston.

:lol

[russwest0]

Jane Haren and Fright Coward: The Cornerstones of a First Round Exit.

[Biggyd81]

Harden's beard living rent free in the leagues head. Parsons needs to work on his shot blocking, especially in the clutch before he is more than a role player.
:sleeping

[rhowen4]

Harden's beard living rent free in the leagues head. Parsons needs to work on his shot blocking, especially in the clutch before he is more than a role player.
:sleeping
finally a harden stan

do it biggyd81

[Milbuck]

He's not a cornerstone... Retard.

If you aren't a star, and you aren't a bench scrub, you are a role player. Everyone on that Rockets team was a role player except Harden and Howard.

Ibaka has a role.
Robin Lopez has a role.
Ray Allen had a role. Birdman had a role.
Lakers were full of role players who started.
Same thing with the Bucks.

There are stars, and there are role players who compliment those players.
:cheers:
What are you even melting down about? All we're saying is that Parsons was more than just a role player, and you guys are ****ed. Relax.

[ihatetimthomas]

On paper, you are doing pretty well if you have those 2 as cornerstones. But in reality, I would hate to have these 2 guys as cornerstones. These guys do not have the mentality to lead their teams to titles. I do not see the fire or desire to win in Harden. We saw how he got shut down in the playoffs. Is it going to be any easier with Lin and Parsons gone? I just feel him saying those things are so unnecessary. Dwight is a prima donna and not a team oriented player. He has always played for himself, not the team. He thinks he is much better than he is and has consistently complained about touches when he shouldn't be getting more. He complained a lot in LA and constantly reminded all of us that he was playing injured. Houston with these 2 are not getting out of 2nd

[YouGotServed]

Shut it, Milby!

[UK2K]

What are you even melting down about? All we're saying is that Parsons was more than just a role player, and you guys are ****ed. Relax.
Meltdown?

I disagree and think he is a role player. As did the entire Rockets FO.

Just explaining what a role player is.

[Inferno]

Right. He is right but he shouldn't have said it out loud.

Yeah, he's not necessarily wrong but he can alienate teammates like that...especially with him coming off a pretty bad playoffs series

[UK2K]

Yeah, he's not necessarily wrong but he can alienate teammates like that...especially with him coming off a pretty bad playoffs series
Dude just has to back it up.

He's been playing like balls the past few playoffs. Honeymoon is over for him after words like that.

[no pun intended]

Harden's beard living rent free in the leagues head. Parsons needs to work on his shot blocking, especially in the clutch before he is more than a role player.
:sleeping
Terrible first post.

[houston]

these cats are funny

[dunksby]

He is right, but it just means one of the cornerstones is an overrated 2 with a bad attitude who makes it hard for the role players to contribute.
ETA: He is like Kobe without the skills with a dirty beard.

[ronnymac]

"Rest of the guys"

Sorry Harden, the "rest of the guys" left your sorry ass.

Have funny flopping 20 times per game and choking in the playoffs, I really like your go to clutch offensive move, the "pump fake then flop" that shit is terrific.
Who left his ass? Parsons left for double the money we offerd him. That Is not Harden's fault. Had we offerd him the same amount, he would still be a Rocket. Lin was a role player making 15 million.That is absurd and the Rockets did the right thing becaue his 8.5 million Trade player exception has more value then his inconsistent play.Asik did not like Dwight and i'm sure Dwight felt the same.So who left his ass?


He is spot on,
Parsons
Lin
Asik

were role players at best. Only Parsons out of that list has star potential.

[YouGotServed]

Asik did not like Dwight and i'm sure Dwight felt the same.

Asik and Howard got along just fine. In fact Howard always cheered for Asik when he played. Dwight at times even clowned Asik, that's a sign of good chemistry. Not that any of that matters, because ultimately Asik wanted to be a starter and coming off the bench bothered him.

I'm sure you already knew this, just rephrasing it a bit better. Haters will use anything even if it's out of context so thought I'd add something to your post.

Nobody left Harden. He isn't Kobe. Nobody wants to play for Kobe.

[moe94]

I like Harden but comments like this make me wonder why. That was very careless. Let's be real, though, most superstars or all-stars or franchise players feel the same way, but it's best to not say such things to the media. Harden is a POS.

[ronnymac]

Asik and Howard got along just fine. In fact Howard always cheered for Asik when he played. Dwight at times even clowned Asik, that's a sign of good chemistry. Not that any of that matters, because ultimately Asik wanted to be a starter and coming off the bench bothered him.

I'm sure you already knew this, just rephrasing it a bit better. Haters will use anything even if it's out of context so thought I'd add something to your post.

Nobody left Harden. He isn't Kobe. Nobody wants to play for Kobe.

I got the feeling Asik never really liked Dwight but Dwight tried his best to make it work and not let it become a distraction.Anyway Asik is in New Orleans now.

I don't think Morey is done making moves. He has the BAE, the MLE, an 8.5 mill TPE, the Pelicans 1st and a few ungruanteed contracts to go with Jones and DMO as trade bait.

[UK2K]

I like Harden but comments like this make me one why. That was very careless. Let's be real, though, most superstars or all-stars or franchise players feel the same way, but it's best to not say such things to the media. Harden is a POS.
Right.

What he said was true. He just shouldn't have said it the way he did. But make no mistake, nobody on the roster thinks they are anything but a role player, because that's what they are. They play their role to compliment the stars.

[GimmeThat]

didn't Chris Bosh just got made into a corner stone instead of a role player?

[TheMilkyBarKid]

I dare say his and Dwight's comments are directed at Parsons. They are more or less saying that he is not a star.
Next season we will see.

[Milbuck]

Right.

What he said was true. He just shouldn't have said it the way he did. But make no mistake, nobody on the roster thinks they are anything but a role player, because that's what they are. They play their role to compliment the stars.
No, it's not. Parsons put up 19/7/2/1 on 44/36/73 shooting, while being infinitely better on defense than Harden himself. The way he contributed in the playoffs, he's about as much of a role player as Klay Thompson.

What he said wasn't dumb just because of the circumstances, the content itself was dumb as well.

[russwest0]

What player coming off a 16PPG season and a 12PPG, 35% shooting Finals series demands a max contract and refuses to take just 5M less than it over like 4 years?

Harden is such a jackass and I'm so glad that we traded him for Martin, Lamb, Adams, and McGary.

[livingby3's]

Would be fun to watch when Parsons and the Mavs whoop Rocket's ass and sweep them all season long

[UK2K]

No, it's not. Parsons put up 19/7/2/1 on 44/36/73 shooting, while being infinitely better on defense than Harden himself. The way he contributed in the playoffs, he's about as much of a role player as Klay Thompson.

What he said wasn't dumb just because of the circumstances, the content itself was dumb as well.
And Taj Gibson averaged 18 and 6 off the bench shooting 56% during the playoffs. Guess he's a star too.

Oh, Batum too. 15, 8, and 5 in the playoffs is good enough for star status right?

No, both of them are role players as well.

Parsons is a role player. Sorry.

And by the way, Batum increased his scoring from 13 to 15 during the playoffs and increase his FG % while Wesley Matthews had his scoring drop from 16ppg during the regular season to 15 while shooting 41%. Parsons did not play good defense. At all.

[DMV2]

Right.

What he said was true. He just shouldn't have said it the way he did. But make no mistake, nobody on the roster thinks they are anything but a role player, because that's what they are. They play their role to compliment the stars.
You don't belong in the league if you don't think you're the best at what you do.

Even if you're a fat fck like Raymond Felton, you should definitely feel like you're an "elite" point guard.

[UK2K]

You don't belong in the league if you don't think you're the best at what you do.

Even if you're a fat fck like Raymond Felton, you should definitely feel like you're an "elite" point guard.
That's not true at all.

At a certain point you accept your role. You should always strive to be the best at what you do. That doesn't mean you believe you are elite, in terms of other players in the league. Sure, many players probably believe they are elite at their roles, that's why they have jobs. Some guys are brought in to rebound. Some are brought in to play defense.

But if you're telling me that Jason Thompson truly believes he's elite... I don't know what to tell you. If that were the case, every player would demand max contract every off season and then be pissed they are paid the league minimum when they don't get it.

[navy]

Parson's is definitely a role player. He however played a huge role in the rockets success.

[9512]

Har_en and fright coward are jealous of Parsons' good looks.

[kshutts1]

Best SG in the league (hate to say that) and best C in the league... yes, everyone else is a role player.

Just like Wade + Lebron made 23/12 Bosh into a role player so, too, do Harden and Howard make nearly anyone else a role player. Talent level (Parsons) may be higher than "role player" but their role will forever be "role player".

[Genaro]

He's no necessarily wrong but I think that is the case again when players talk more than they should, he shouldn't have said this.

[imdaman99]

He's not wrong. But he still shouldn't have said it, and I know he didn't mean for it to sound like an insult.

In the East, they get to the conference finals. In the West, they could be 1st round fodder for years. We'll see what happens.

[Ramiah]

I would be a pissed off ''other guy'' if I heard that shit...

[UK2K]

I would be a pissed off ''other guy'' if I heard that shit...
Who's gonna be pissed?

Ariza said himself he's a compliment to those two. Everyone else is pretty much on dirt cheap contracts. Beverly gonna be mad? Jones? Is Daniels gonna be mad?

Name me one person on that team who's mad to be called a role player.

[Duggrr]

It's laughable how easy it is to hate Harden.

[Dro]

Copied my reply from the other thread because I'm lazy..edited for less argumentative purposes...

Whether he's right or not is IRRELEVANT. The point is you let SOMEONE ELSE say that shit. You let the COACH say it. You let analysts on TV say it. Hell, you even let your TEAMMATES say it. YOU don't PROP UP YOURSELF at the DETRIMENT of others. Especially when you NEED those others to do the shit you don't do, you know like play defense.

Go hoop at the park and run around talking about how you're the best on the court and everybody else should just play their role and see if your ass gets the ball again. You won't get it again unless you get a steal or a rebound because even if the role player KNOWS he's a role player, he sure as hell doesn't want the "Best player on the team" rubbing that in his damn face...

[crisoner]

Harden and Howard...

Asshole 1 and Asshole 2

[Milbuck]

And Taj Gibson averaged 18 and 6 off the bench shooting 56% during the playoffs. Guess he's a star too.

Oh, Batum too. 15, 8, and 5 in the playoffs is good enough for star status right?

No, both of them are role players as well.

Parsons is a role player. Sorry.

And by the way, Batum increased his scoring from 13 to 15 during the playoffs and increase his FG % while Wesley Matthews had his scoring drop from 16ppg during the regular season to 15 while shooting 41%. Parsons did not play good defense. At all.
There's a difference between 1) stars, 2) key pieces on a team, and 3) role players. All key pieces on a team aren't stars, and all non-role players aren't stars.

Seriously, Manu Ginobili the past 4-5 years has put up production numbers that would make him a star only in name. Yet I don't see anyone calling him "just another role player" on the Spurs team. Just this past year, there's no way in hell I'd consider Manu a star..but you take him off that Spurs team and they are missing something incredibly valuable that you just can't replace by subbing in any random role player with a similar skill set..it may work for a game or two, but they'd clearly miss his presence over the season and especially in the playoffs - hence, he's a key player on the team but is neither a star nor "just a role player". Same damn thing with Parsons.

[Milbuck]

Who's gonna be pissed?

Ariza said himself he's a compliment to those two. Everyone else is pretty much on dirt cheap contracts. Beverly gonna be mad? Jones? Is Daniels gonna be mad?

Name me one person on that team who's mad to be called a role player.
:facepalm

How you cannot grasp this is just baffling. Your franchise player just publicly shat on his entire team aside from one teammate. If you understand the context of what he's saying..specifically if you connect the "we've lost some pieces, and added some pieces" part to the part about how everyone else but him and Dwight are just role players...the obvious takeaway is that he doesn't give a shit about the rest of the team (aside from Dwight), to him they're just game pieces that come and go, do their job until they're replaced. If you can't grasp why other Rockets players might be pissed about that..I don't know what to tell you.

[IMObjective]

Copied my reply from the other thread because I'm lazy..edited for less argumentative purposes...

Whether he's right or not is IRRELEVANT. The point is you let SOMEONE ELSE say that shit. You let the COACH say it. You let analysts on TV say it. Hell, you even let your TEAMMATES say it. YOU don't PROP UP YOURSELF at the DETRIMENT of others. Especially when you NEED those others to do the shit you don't do, you know like play defense.

Go hoop at the park and run around talking about how you're the best on the court and everybody else should just play their role and see if your ass gets the ball again. You won't get it again unless you get a steal or a rebound because even if the role player KNOWS he's a role player, he sure as hell doesn't want the "Best player on the team" rubbing that in his damn face...
Deep down inside, the people who are supporting what harden said must know this is true.

Bottom line, it just can't be helpful to team chemistry.

[stevieming]

Copied my reply from the other thread because I'm lazy..edited for less argumentative purposes...

Whether he's right or not is IRRELEVANT. The point is you let SOMEONE ELSE say that shit. You let the COACH say it. You let analysts on TV say it. Hell, you even let your TEAMMATES say it. YOU don't PROP UP YOURSELF at the DETRIMENT of others. Especially when you NEED those others to do the shit you don't do, you know like play defense.

Go hoop at the park and run around talking about how you're the best on the court and everybody else should just play their role and see if your ass gets the ball again. You won't get it again unless you get a steal or a rebound because even if the role player KNOWS he's a role player, he sure as hell doesn't want the "Best player on the team" rubbing that in his damn face...

absolutely!!! what kinda of moron says it out loud....lack of maturity more than anything else...

[Ramza]

Don't you mean Ames Haren? :lol

[j3lademaster]

Funny thing is, if Harden was replaced by a good roleplaying sg like Reddick, they might have beaten Portland.

Harden's cast as a whole last year is grossly underrated. Howard despite being whatever he is off the court, put up 26/14 and was the best player in the playoffs for the 1st round. People don't like to give him his props because he's just so damn unlikable, but it is what it is; and it's not like he's doing that in a league with Shaq, DRobb, Hakeem putting up similar numbers- Howard in this league is THE center. Unreal impact when he plays like that. Then you have Parsons who can give you 20 any given night from the 3rd option, A guy like Lin who is a 15/6 pg in the right role with almost no ego, and a center capable of averaging a double double with elite defense coming off the bench. How many centers like that are even in the league currently?

[YouGotServed]

Wait, are people really arguing if Parsons is more than just a role player? :oldlol:

Sometimes I wonder if people even watch the games.