Build a Scottie Pippen led team that could win a title today.

[D-FENS]

Rules:
- Scottie Pippen will be 1993-94, 1994-95, or 1995-96 Pippen. Your choice. All have their pros and cons.
- You may pick players from the 1991 season to present. You need to tell us the season that you are picking for the player
- Bench players must be bench players in the season you pick them. No picking guys like prime Shareef Abdur-Rahim for the bench or prime LaPhonso Ellis.
- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!
- There can be no more than 3 players to make an All NBA team
- The team you create will be playing in the 2014-15 season

Let's see your teams, and discuss if they can beat the top teams in today's NBA. I wanted to see more prime Scottie as a team leader to see if he could get over the hump.

[Roundball_Rock]

If you put prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers they win (and your OP is about peak Pippen, not just prime Pippen). If the 94' Bulls have a legitimate starting SG they win. If the Pippen to Kemp trade to Seattle goes through, as MJ advised Karl at the time (95'), Seattle wins. Pippen on the 15' Bulls wins. These are some examples of real teams that would win with him as the best player.

As to team leader (from Charley Rosen):




Scottie, not MJ, was Bulls' on-court leader

After Seattle tabbed Pippen as the fifth overall selection of the 1987 NBA draft, Krause engineered a trade that brought Pippen to Chicago for Olden Polynice, plus a future second-round pick and the option to swap future first-round picks. Then Krause wasted little time in declaring that he, not McKinney, had actually discovered Pippen.

In any case, Pippen's rookie season happened to coincide with Phil Jackson's initial campaign as an assistant to Doug Collins and Scottie and PJ hit it off from the get-go. It was Jackson who taught Pippen a pull-up and shoot move. Jackson also saw in Pippen a more athletic version of himself, so he tutored the rookie in the theory and practice of defense.

When Jackson took over from Collins in 1989, the triangle offense was installed and history was in the offing. Jackson felt so comfortable with Pippen's understanding and instincts on the defensive end that he frequently deferred to Scottie's judgment. Oftentimes when Jackson would question why an otherwise intelligent player zigged in a particular defensive sequence instead of executing the required zag, the player would simply say, "Scottie told me to do it." And the coach was satisfied.

In fact, all of the Bulls were somewhat afraid of Michael Jordan (who would ferociously bark at them whenever they made the slightest mistake in positioning or timing). For solace and advice, the players instead turned to Scottie. Throughout the dynasty, it was Pippen who was the team's on-court leader.

[magic chiongson]

steve kerr
jud buechler
scottie pippen
toni kukoc
luc longley

[Akhenaten]

Pippen as your best offensive player isnt beating the Spurs, Clippers or Okc or even Memphis for that matter.

I dont care what that crackhead above me says.

[Anaximandro1]

Billups (2003-04)

Hamilton (2003-04)

Pippen (1993-94)

Rasheed Wallace (2003-04)

Ben Wallace (2003-04, All Star)

[jlip]

Billups (2003-04)

Hamilton (2003-04)

Pippen (1993-94)

Rasheed Wallace (2003-04)

Ben Wallace (2003-04, All Star)

Does the opposing team even reach 50pts with this lineup?

[LoneyROY7]

PG Mario Chalmers
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Scottie Pippen
PF Shane Battier
C Chris Bosh

[Meticode]

Billups (2003-04)

Hamilton (2003-04)

Pippen (1993-94)

Rasheed Wallace (2003-04)

Ben Wallace (2003-04, All Star)
Invalid list. both Wallaces are all-stars. You can only pick 1 other all-star besides Pippen.

[Jailblazers7]

Invalid list. both Wallaces are all-stars. You can only pick 1 other all-star besides Pippen.

Sheed wasn't an all-star in 04 though.

[Bigsmoke]

Billups (2003-04)

Hamilton (2003-04)

Pippen (1993-94)

Rasheed Wallace (2003-04)

Ben Wallace (2003-04, All Star)

That team won without Pippen. that defeats the purpose of the question. That's like MJ leading the 89 Pistons to a championship.

[jlip]

Sheed wasn't an all-star in 04 though.

Edit: ^ Beat me to it.^

[Rocketswin2013]

Beverley/Canaan
Harden/Daniels
Pippen/Aminu
Bosh/Jones
Asik/Dorsey

Bosh is not an all-star in the West. And I'm pretty sure Morey could pull something like this off with all his cap moves. Hell, he almost did.

[rule1223]

PG Mario Chalmers
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Scottie Pippen
PF Shane Battier
C Chris Bosh
too stacked, gotta read the rules, only one other allstar, anyone can win with that team, lets try to make it a bit challenging

[StephHamann]

Lowry
D.Green
Pippen
Taj Gibson
Big Al

[D-FENS]

Beverley/Canaan
Harden/Daniels
Pippen/Aminu
Bosh/Jones
Asik/Dorsey

Bosh is not an all-star in the West. And I'm pretty sure Morey could pull something like this off with all his cap moves. Hell, he almost did.

Wrong. Bosh and Harden are both or have been all-stars in the past. Pick one or the other. See updated OP

[D-FENS]

Billups (2003-04)

Hamilton (2003-04)

Pippen (1993-94)

Rasheed Wallace (2003-04)

Ben Wallace (2003-04, All Star)

Sorry, that's 5 all-stars. First all-star game in brackets
Billups (05-06)
Hamilton (05-06)
Sheed (99-00)
Big Ben (02-03)

[livingby3's]

Current Wizards

John Wall
Bradley Beal
Scottie Pippen
Nene
Gortat

[Lebron23]

Put him with the Clippers. CP3 and BGSalwaysucksintheplayoffs aren't winners.

[jlip]

Rules:
-
- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!
-

So basically you want Pippen to do what basically no other player in NBA history has done?

[Meticode]

From my research the only NBA allstars are Ben Wallace and Scottie Pippen. The three all-nba players are Wallace, Pippen and Strickland. Odom and Rider never made the all-nba first or second team. Odom made the all-nba rookie teams as well as Rider, but that doesn't count from my understanding.

_C - Ben Wallace (02-03) 6.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 3.2 BPG, 48% FG%, 17% 3P%, 45% FT%
PF - Lamar Odom (07-08) 14.2 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 53% FG%, 27% 3P%, 70% FT%
SF - Scottie Pippen (94-95) 21.4 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 5.2 APG, 2.9 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 48% FG%, 35% 3P%, 72% FT%
SG - Isaiah Rider (95-96) 19.6 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.6 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 46% FG%, 37% 3P%, 84% FT%
PG - Rod Strickland (94-95) 18.9 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 8.8 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 47% FG%, 37% 3P%, 75% FT%

Ben Wallace (all-star, all-nba team)

I picked this year because this was the peak of his rebounding years. 15.2 rebounds per game. Also he averaged over 3 blocks per game, was named to his first all-star game in 2003 and was still only about 28 years old. This is your rim protector of rim protectors and help defense. Paired with Pippen you'll have elite paint defender with help defense and an elite wing defender in Pippen.

Lamar Odom

I picked his 07-08 season because this was when he was transitioning into the power forward slot alongside Pau Gasol. This was his second most efficient season ever from the field shooting almost 53% from the field, and one of two seasons he averaged a double-double (14.2PPG / 10.6 RPG). A decent stretch four as well with semi-three point range.

Scottie Pippen (all-star, all-nba team)

I chose the 94-95 Pippen in terms of efficiency. Also Pippen hard trouble even cracking the 70% mark for free throw percentage early in his career. This season was where he began getting it between the seventy to seventy-five percentile.

Isaiah Rider

This is my headcase on the team. This is your young, high-flying guard who loves competition. This is your star that never became an all-star or all-nba team player.

Rod Strickland (all-nba team)

Arguably the best pure point guard that never made an all-star team. I picked his 94-95 season mainly for one reason. Strickland was never known as a three point shooter. Usually shooting in the upper 20s or lower 30s never taking many attempts, but for whatever reason during the 94-95 season he took almost 2 attempts per game and made 37% of them. His all-time career high by 3%.

Note: I didn't bother with reserves or other players that you could put on this team would be Marcus Camby, Jalen Rose, Sam Perkins, Ron Harper, Mike Bibby, and Arvydas Sabonis. Hell, Sabonis had a 16/10/3 season and didn't make the all-star team.

[Anaximandro1]

Sorry, that's 5 all-stars. First all-star game in brackets


OK


Patty Mills (2013-14)

Pippen (1993-94)

Kawhi (2013-14)

Ibaka (2013-14)

Ben Wallace (2003-04)

[Meticode]

Sheed wasn't an all-star in 04 though.
You have to pick players that were never all-stars in their entire career.

[Meticode]

Beverley/Canaan
Harden/Daniels
Pippen/Aminu
Bosh/Jones
Asik/Dorsey

Bosh is not an all-star in the West. And I'm pretty sure Morey could pull something like this off with all his cap moves. Hell, he almost did.
Invalid list, you have 3 all-stars listed.

[Meticode]

So basically you want Pippen to do what basically no other player in NBA history has done?
That's the point of this thread, yes. :oldlol:

[Meticode]

Put him with the Clippers. CP3 and BGSalwaysucksintheplayoffs aren't winners.
Invalid. You'd have 3 all-stars on the team at least. You can only have 2 all-stars.

[D-FENS]

Current Wizards

John Wall
Bradley Beal
Scottie Pippen
Nene
Gortat

Nice team. I like this one.

I'm going to compile my team for Scottie.

PG: Derek Harper (90-91)/ Nate McMillan (93-94)/ Steve Kerr (95-96)
SG: Hershey Hawkins (90-91)/ Courtney Lee (10-11)
SF: Scottie Pippen (93-94)/ Toni Kukoc (93-94)/ Trevor Ariza (08-09)
PF: Serge Ibaka (13-14)/ Armen Gilliam (93-94)
CT: Al Jefferson (13-14)/ John Salley (90-91)

I don't think that team can be stopped.
Shooting, defense, passing, inside scoring, and shot-blocking from the starters.
Bench players all have designated skill sets, and are all capable of playing two positions other than Kerr and Gilliam

[D-FENS]

That's the point of this thread, yes. :oldlol:

I don't know what was so hard for him to grasp! :roll:

I think I have the team to beat so far. I can't see that team losing to any of the current top teams.

Imagine being D'd up by Harper, Pippen and Hawkins, and then one checks out, and Ariza, McMillan, or Lee can check in to play full-court man to man.

[Meticode]

I don't know what was so hard for him to grasp! :roll:

I think I have the team to beat so far. I can't see that team losing to any of the current top teams.

Imagine being D'd up by Harper, Pippen and Hawkins, and then one checks out, and Ariza, McMillan, or Lee can check in to play full-court man to man.
I prefer my setup at least with the starters. While Ibaka is a great rim protector, he isn't generally great at low-post defending. I prefer a Ben Wallace+stretch four combo. I picked Odom over Ibaka just in terms of ball handling ability and Odom has the ability to play the point-forward a well at times.

[D-FENS]

I prefer my setup at least with the starters. While Ibaka is a great rim protector, he isn't generally great at low-post defending. I prefer a Ben Wallace+stretch four combo. I picked Odom over Ibaka just in terms of ball handling ability and Odom has the ability to play the point-forward a well at times.

True. Odom was actually a good defender when locked in as well.

[King Jane]

scottie pippen was a cornerstone in his era but he played a different game, shorter 3 point line lesss sophisticated schemes and he would need to bulk up big time to play against todays forwards. he would be a confused roleplyer in todays era no way you could build around him unless its maybe dleague or euroelague

[wally_world]

STARTERS:
PG - Rod Strickland (97-98) - 18/5/11 and never made an ASG lol
SG - Klay Thompson (13-14) - 18ppg elite shooter underrated D
SF - Scottie Pippen (94-95) - his best offensive season imo
PF - Chris Webber (98-99) - pre-prime, still athletic defensive beast CWebb
C - Arvydas Sabonis (95-96) - rookie/healthy season, 17/11 as a starter

BENCH:
G - Jamal Crawford (09-10) - 6MOY
F/C - Taj Gibson (13-14) - Most valuable bench player imo
F/G - Tony Allen (10-11) - On the #8 Griz that upset the #1 Spurs
PF - Robert Horry (01-02) - Lakers-Kings game 4
PG - Derek Fisher (03-04) - 0.4
C - Marcin Gortat (10-11) - Best backup Center in the L

Insane defense, insane playmaking, all 5 starters capable of getting 20ppg. Best bench you'll ever see, with defense, leadership, scoring, clutch players. CWebb is the only other all-star, though I didn't pick him in his prime, so as to not overshadow Pippen. There's absolutely no way this team doesn't win a championship.

[KobesFinger]

Rules:
- Scottie Pippen will be 1993-94, 1994-95, or 1995-96 Pippen. Your choice. All have their pros and cons.
- You may pick players from the 1991 season to present. You need to tell us the season that you are picking for the player
- Bench players must be bench players in the season you pick them. No picking guys like prime Shareef Abdur-Rahim for the bench or prime LaPhonso Ellis.
- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!
- There can be no more than 3 players to make an All NBA team
- The team you create will be playing in the 2014-15 season

Let's see your teams, and discuss if they can beat the top teams in today's NBA. I wanted to see more prime Scottie as a team leader to see if he could get over the hump.

Kirk Hinrich
Danny Green
94 Pippen
Anthony Davis
94 Hakeem Olajuwon

I'll pick years later

[D-FENS]

Kirk Hinrich
Danny Green
94 Pippen
Anthony Davis
94 Hakeem Olajuwon

I'll pick years later

Scottie Pippen led team? That's an Olajuwon led team.
I thought about picking 03-04 KG over Hawkins, but it would be KG's team over Pippen

[D-FENS]

STARTERS:
PG - Rod Strickland (97-98) - 18/5/11 and never made an ASG lol
SG - Klay Thompson (13-14) - 18ppg elite shooter underrated D
SF - Scottie Pippen (94-95) - his best offensive season imo
PF - Chris Webber (98-99) - pre-prime, still athletic defensive beast CWebb
C - Arvydas Sabonis (95-96) - rookie/healthy season, 17/11 as a starter

BENCH:
G - Jamal Crawford (09-10) - 6MOY
F/C - Taj Gibson (13-14) - Most valuable bench player imo
F/G - Tony Allen (10-11) - On the #8 Griz that upset the #1 Spurs
PF - Robert Horry (01-02) - Lakers-Kings game 4
PG - Derek Fisher (03-04) - 0.4
C - Marcin Gortat (10-11) - Best backup Center in the L

Insane defense, insane playmaking, all 5 starters capable of getting 20ppg. Best bench you'll ever see, with defense, leadership, scoring, clutch players. CWebb is the only other all-star, though I didn't pick him in his prime, so as to not overshadow Pippen. There's absolutely no way this team doesn't win a championship.


We have a new winner. Sabas would destroy Big Al.

[wally_world]

Scottie Pippen led team? That's an Olajuwon led team.
I thought about picking 03-04 KG over Hawkins, but it would be KG's team over Pippen

Also AD made the allstar team last season right?

[SOD 21]

Just for fun…

What happens if you insert Scottie Pippen onto the Los Angeles Lakers 2009 NBA championship team by replacing Kobe Bryant?

PG: Fisher
SG: Ariza
SF: Pippen
PF: Odom
C: Gasol

I realize that I'm tweaking the starting lineup by placing Andrew Bynum on the bench and that he was also a one time All-Star. He only had a marginal role on this championship team. Their best lineups were always with Gasol at center and Lamar Odom at power forward.

Ariza also has the versatility to play either shooting guard or small forward.

[Roundball_Rock]

Team 1

PF Lamar Odom
SF Scottie Pippen
C Dwight Howard
SG Hersey Hawkins
PG Rod Strickland

Team 2

PF Taj Gibson
SF Carmelo Anthony
C Rony Seikley
SG Kirk Hinrich
PG Scottie Pippen

Remember, Pip could play PG too and actually spent a decent amount of his time in Portland playing PG.

[Ca$H]

2002 Kings. Replace Christie with Peak Pippen.

[Meticode]

2002 Kings. Replace Christie with Peak Pippen.
Invalid. You can only have 2 all-stars on the team, you'd have three. Pippen, Webber and Divac.

Edit: 4 actually, Peja is a 3x all-star as well.

[D-FENS]

Team 1

PF Lamar Odom
SF Scottie Pippen
C Dwight Howard
SG Hersey Hawkins
PG Rod Strickland

Doesn't work, you have 3 all-stars.



Team 2

PF Taj Gibson
SF Carmelo Anthony
C Rony Seikley
SG Kirk Hinrich
PG Scottie Pippen


That's an interesting team, but is it Melo's team or Pip's team? Also, the spacing is very suspect.

[guy]

If the Pippen to Kemp trade to Seattle goes through, as MJ advised Karl at the time (95'), Seattle wins.

MJ did what? Link?

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ did what? Link?

Google it. I found it the other day. It was from a Tribune or Sun-Times article. In 95' when the Sonics were considering the Pippen-Kemp trade Karl asked his friend the then-retired MJ for advice. MJ said Seattle should do it, they would get the better of the deal (Kemp and Ricky Pierce for Pippen and I think a second filler) and win a championship.


Doesn't work, you have 3 all-stars.

I didn't realize Hawkins was an all-star once.

How about:

PF Lamar Odom
SF Scottie Pippen
C Dwight Howard
SG Jim Jackson
PG Rod Strickland

Regarding team 2, Pippen>Carmelo.

[oarabbus]

You can't, not while LBJ is in the league. I'm no LBJ fan by any means but he is better than Pippen. Period.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2011-13 heat w/o Lebron.

[Roundball_Rock]

You can't, not while LBJ is in the league. I'm no LBJ fan by any means but he is better than Pippen. Period.

That would only be relevant if LeBron's teams were winning ever year.

[guy]

Google it. I found it the other day. It was from a Tribune or Sun-Times article. In 95' when the Sonics were considering the Pippen-Kemp trade Karl asked his friend the then-retired MJ for advice. MJ said Seattle should do it, they would get the better of the deal (Kemp and Ricky Pierce for Pippen and I think a second filler) and win a championship.


Cool, just saw it. I don't see them beating Houston but they are still a better team and probably Houston's biggest threat in the West.

[TheMan]

PG Mario Chalmers
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Scottie Pippen
PF Shane Battier
C Chris Bosh
4/4

[guy]

- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!


This just makes things unrealistic, unfair, and almost impossible. If we label even situations like this as "all-stars" then almost every championship has had at least like 3-4 all-stars. The 2013 Heat had 6 all-stars (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Howard, Rashard), the 2011 Mavs had 6 all-stars (Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Chandler, Peja, Butler), etc. As you can see, most of those players weren't playing at an all-star level in those years. This criteria really doesn't make sense to have.

[Roundball_Rock]

Cool, just saw it. I don't see them beating Houston but they are still a better team and probably Houston's biggest threat in the West.

I don't think he necessarily meant in 95' but rather that at some point Seattle would win at least once. I think he was right. They probably would have won at some point from 1995-1998 with Pippen/Payton. They presumably would either trade Schrempf (a SF) to get another solid piece, since Schrempf was an all-star player he would have value, or keep Schrempf and move him to PF. You would have:

PF Schrempf/an all-star caliber PF in a trade
SF Pippen
C Perkins
SG Hawkins
PG Payton

This line-up would have versatility too as Schrempf could play SF or PF and Pippen could play 4 positions.

The Sonics did eventually trade Kemp--and got Vin Baker, an all-star but no superstar, so they made a mistake not pulling the trigger when they had a chance at peak Pippen.

[guy]

I don't think he necessarily meant in 95' but rather that at some point Seattle would win at least once. I think he was right. They probably would have won at some point from 1995-1998 with Pippen/Payton. They presumably would either trade Schrempf (a SF) to get another solid piece, since Schrempf was an all-star player he would have value, or keep Schrempf and move him to PF. You would have:

PF Schrempf/an all-star caliber PF in a trade
SF Pippen
C Perkins
SG Hawkins
PG Payton

This line-up would have versatility too as Schrempf could play SF or PF and Pippen could play 4 positions.

The Sonics did eventually trade Kemp--and got Vin Baker, an all-star but no superstar, so they made a mistake not pulling the trigger when they had a chance at peak Pippen.

If Jordan still comes back with the Bulls and they have the same team just with Kemp/Pierce then I don't see that happening. I don't think they'd beat the 96 Magic either (I don't think they'd beat them with Kemp either). In 98 with Pippen having his injury issues, I don't see it happening their especially in a deep west. I think they could've possibly done it in 1997 in a Jordan on the Bulls-less NBA.

[TheMan]

90-91 PG John Paxson
86-87 SG Ron Harper
93-94 SF Scottie Pippen
13-14 PF Taj Gibson
00-01 C Shaquille O'Neal

Guaranteed chip, you got shooter in Paxson to give you space, you got perimeter D in Harper and Pippen, you got a point foward to get everyone in the offense, you get GOAT low post scoring with Shaq and you get great rim protection with Taj and Shaq. You have have two dynamic wings in Harper and Pippen that could get out on the fastbreak, Harper in 86-87 averaged 23 ppg and was looking like he was headed for multiple All Stars until injuries limited his potential.

I think I have the best, most balanced line up...that D though is elite as fvck.:bowdown:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!

So basically you want Pippen to do what basically no other player in NBA history has done?
That's a pretty pointless criteria. So what if a player has been a former all star? If he's not currently playing as an All Star Level that season, then really he's not a star.

Btw, Wouldn't Kobe Bryant in 2009 count? I mean, Pau Gasol is his lone other star. I'm pretty sure Odom, Fisher, Ariza and Bynum never made the all star team prior to that. Bynum made one in 2011, but that was after 2009. So back then it would be valid.
2010 wouldn't count since Ron Artest has been one, I think.

[shrempf_on_rice]

I like the Ron Harper pick

pg. Derek Fisher - solid pg that can make crucial plays.
sg. Ron Harper - solid shooter and defensive skills in his day.
sf. Pippen
pf. Verejao - extra rebounds and defense
c. Hakeem - All star

Bench includes Lamar Odom(6th MOY), Kirk Heinrich(06-07), Robert Horry.

[D-FENS]

This just makes things unrealistic, unfair, and almost impossible. If we label even situations like this as "all-stars" then almost every championship has had at least like 3-4 all-stars. The 2013 Heat had 6 all-stars (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Howard, Rashard), the 2011 Mavs had 6 all-stars (Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Chandler, Peja, Butler), etc. As you can see, most of those players weren't playing at an all-star level in those years. This criteria really doesn't make sense to have.

It just puts more thought into the process. And you can't go and grab a team like the 03-04 Pistons, and say: I stick Pippen on this team. It makes it too easy. There are so many great players who missed an all-star game for some reason or another. Look at all the years Webber missed the team. It's to stop people from picking a team of simply dominant players.

I am looking at this from the perspective that Scottie should be the team's best player, and people should be trying to add complimentary pieces around him. I think a Scottie Pippen led team could produce a championship. If you replaced Pete Myers from the 1993-94 squad with even a marginally productive shooting guard, I think the Bulls could have given the Rockets a run for their money in the Finals. They beat the Pacers 4-1 during the season. and the split the series with Houston (the game they lost was without Pippen)

[aboss4real24]

Cp3
Affalo
Pippen
Josh smith
larry sanders

[Eat Like A Bosh]

PG: Steve Kerr 96'
SG: Klay Thompson Current
SF: Scotte Pippen 94'
PF: Serge Ibaka Current
C: Ben Wallace 04'

As for the bench,
Derek Fisher 03' or 09'-10
Kirk Hinrich Chicago Bulls days
Lamar Odom '08 or 09
Jimmy Butler current
Jamal Crawford 10'
Taj Gibson 13' or 14'
Trevor Ariza 09'
Anthony Davis current (Or Andre Drummond or DeAndre Jordan)

Yep, I tried.

[guy]

It just puts more thought into the process. And you can't go and grab a team like the 03-04 Pistons, and say: I stick Pippen on this team. It makes it too easy. There are so many great players who missed an all-star game for some reason or another. Look at all the years Webber missed the team. It's to stop people from picking a team of simply dominant players.

I am looking at this from the perspective that Scottie should be the team's best player, and people should be trying to add complimentary pieces around him. I think a Scottie Pippen led team could produce a championship. If you replaced Pete Myers from the 1993-94 squad with even a marginally productive shooting guard, I think the Bulls could have given the Rockets a run for their money in the Finals. They beat the Pacers 4-1 during the season. and the split the series with Houston (the game they lost was without Pippen)

That criteria is way too tight. The 94 Bulls wouldn't work under that scenario anyway because both Grant and BJ were all-stars that year. You probably couldn't find one championship in the history of the league where there wasn't at least 3 players that were all-stars at least at some point of their career. Not in any of the championship teams led by Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, or Lebron. You wouldn't find that even for Hakeem, who is always praised for arguably having the least help. So if any of those guys never did it, why expect this for Pippen who is clearly inferior to all of them?

[jayfan]

90-91 PG John Paxson
86-87 SG Ron Harper
93-94 SF Scottie Pippen
13-14 PF Taj Gibson
00-01 C Shaquille O'Neal

Guaranteed chip, you got shooter in Paxson to give you space, you got perimeter D in Harper and Pippen, you got a point foward to get everyone in the offense, you get GOAT low post scoring with Shaq and you get great rim protection with Taj and Shaq. You have have two dynamic wings in Harper and Pippen that could get out on the fastbreak, Harper in 86-87 averaged 23 ppg and was looking like he was headed for multiple All Stars until injuries limited his potential.

I think I have the best, most balanced line up...that D though is elite as fvck.:bowdown:

Pippen isn't the leader of that team. Shaq is.




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[Mure]

Payton
Mitch Richmond
Pippen
Rodman
Ben Wallace

[Angel Face]

Current Bulls have a good chance, especially if Rose is healthy.

[jrong]

No such combination of players exist or could exist. You can't win a title with Pippen as your best player. He was a 21/7/7 guy with or without MJ.

Those are Grant Hill numbers (Hill is an appropriate comparison for Pippen. Grant was better offensively, Scottie defensively).

You know when I knew Penny Hardaway was a superstar? Shaq was injured for an extended period of the one season and Penny put up 27/7 in his absence while keeping the Magic in the mix.

THAT is what Pippen should've done when MJ was out if he was what his fanboys claim. But, he wasn't. He was the same player with or without Mike.

Well, that's not entirely true. He didn't throw a bitch fit when Phil gave MJ the last second shot. He did when Kukoc got to take (and make) it though.

[GimmeThat]

just give him lots of rookies who hasn't won an all star award.

[I<3NBA]

a team that could win the title with only one all star? are you kidding?

[Roundball_Rock]

Those are Grant Hill numbers (Hill is an appropriate comparison for Pippen. Grant was better offensively, Scottie defensively).

You know when I knew Penny Hardaway was a superstar? Shaq was injured for an extended period of the one season and Penny put up 27/7 in his absence while keeping the Magic in the mix.

THAT is what Pippen should've done when MJ was out if he was what his fanboys claim. But, he wasn't. He was the same player with or without Mike.



Those are Grant Hill numbers (Hill is an appropriate comparison for Pippen. Grant was better offensively, Scottie defensively).

You know when I knew Penny Hardaway was a superstar? Shaq was injured for an extended period of the one season and Penny put up 27/7 in his absence while keeping the Magic in the mix.

THAT is what Pippen should've done when MJ was out if he was what his fanboys claim. But, he wasn't. He was the same player with or without Mike.


Penny? Where was Orlando after Shaq? 45 wins and bounced in the first round--down from 62 wins the year before. That is your example? The fact is the 94' Bulls are the only team in history to remain contenders despite losing a GOAT caliber player--and they did not replace him with a Reggie Lewis, Loul Deng or Rony Seikley (17/10 to replace Shaq) type good player. (We'll see if Miami can replicate the 94' Bulls) Since he left in October they had to scramble and "replace" him with a scrub who couldn't even make a NBA roster the previous two years. That the 94' team stayed afloat is a testament to Pippen's greatness. Havelick, Worthy, McHale, Penny, and even Kobe post-Shaq could not do it. The Cavs went from 63 wins to 19 wins without LeBron. Penny could do it for 20-25 games but then what happened? Deng and Noah kept the Bulls afloat for 20-25 games in 2012 too; what happened in 2013 and 2014 when Rose was out for the whole year? The same thing that happened to the Magic without Shaq for a full year. Orlando was not seen or heard from for an entire decade post-Shaq. :oldlol:

It can be argued that you can't win a title with Hill or Pippen as your best player--but both were clearly top 5 players at their best. To believe that you have to believe you need a LeBron or Kobe to win every year, and that isn't the case. The Mavs won with Dirk, Detroit with Isiah and Billups, and the 14' Spurs won without any superstar. KG is comparable to Pippen and Hill in raw ability and he won, albeit with two other stars.

If you put prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers they don't win? How about the 94' Bulls with a legitimate starting SG (i.e. Hornacek)?

[ArbitraryWater]

He was hairs away from winning on the '94 and '00 teams.. of course it's possible

But right now, this time? No..

[Bandito]

2011 Heat minus Lebron XD

[juju151111]

Pippen can't be the best player on a championship team, but maybe a second fiddle.

[D-FENS]

A lot of haters in here.

Chauncey Billups/ Ben Wallace led a team to a championship.
Pippen came close in 94, and again close with the 00 Blazers.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Pippen was given good teammates, he could lead them over the hump.

[riseagainst]

A lot of haters in here.

Chauncey Billups/ Ben Wallace led a team to a championship.
Pippen came close in 94, and again close with the 00 Blazers.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Pippen was given good teammates, he could lead them over the hump.

He was given Michael Jordan, who was pretty decent.

[kshutts1]

Rules:
- Scottie Pippen will be 1993-94, 1994-95, or 1995-96 Pippen. Your choice. All have their pros and cons.
- You may pick players from the 1991 season to present. You need to tell us the season that you are picking for the player
- Bench players must be bench players in the season you pick them. No picking guys like prime Shareef Abdur-Rahim for the bench or prime LaPhonso Ellis.
- You can only pick 1 other all-star EXAMPLE: This is not year specific. If you pick 1997 BJ Armstrong, he is your other all-star because he made an all-star team in 1994. Pick carefully!
- There can be no more than 3 players to make an All NBA team
- The team you create will be playing in the 2014-15 season

Let's see your teams, and discuss if they can beat the top teams in today's NBA. I wanted to see more prime Scottie as a team leader to see if he could get over the hump.

06-07 Hinrich
Current Klay
94-95 Pippen
05-06 Elton Brand
13-14 Deandre Jordan

Too lazy to look up years for the bench, so just choose a bench year for the following:

Gibson
Crawford
Battier
Birdman
Barbosa

Edit -- Reading comprehension epic fail. Scottie LED team. So I will have to take off Shaq. Give me a minute to re-tool.
Final edit -- Took out Shaq.

[Nowitness]

The only way he wins is if he is surrounded with great defense, we all know his troubles.

[Roundball_Rock]

A lot of haters in here.

Chauncey Billups/ Ben Wallace led a team to a championship.
Pippen came close in 94, and again close with the 00 Blazers.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Pippen was given good teammates, he could lead them over the hump.

:applause:

The Blazers easily win with prime Pippen and the 94' Bulls would have if the Bulls had a legitimate starting SG. Krause cost CHI the title by failing to trade for Hornacek in favor of keeping their first round pick (which turned out to be Dickey Simpkins :facepalm ). These are real life teams he was on that he likely would have won with under more favorable circumstances (being in his prime in Portland and not having the worst starting SG in the league in 94') So it is odd to see some argue that it would be impossible for a team to win with Pippen as its best player.

[kshutts1]

Good luck scoring against my team, btw.

[jayfan]

:applause:

The Blazers easily win with prime Pippen and the 94' Bulls would have if the Bulls had a legitimate starting SG. Krause cost CHI the title by failing to trade for Hornacek in favor of keeping their first round pick (which turned out to be Dickey Simpkins :facepalm ). These are real life teams he was on that he likely would have won with under more favorable circumstances (being in his prime in Portland and not having the worst starting SG in the league in 94') So it is odd to see some argue that it would be impossible for a team to win with Pippen as its best player.

Really?

Assuming they make finals in '94, who's checking Hakeem? Luc Longley? Bill Wennington? Will Perdue?





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[D-FENS]

Really?

Assuming they make finals in '94, who's checking Hakeem? Luc Longley? Bill Wennington? Will Perdue?
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Chicago Bulls at Houston Rockets Box Score, November 23, 1993
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199311230HOU.html
Pippen was injured, and the Bulls lost by 7 points.

Houston Rockets at Chicago Bulls Box Score, January 15, 1994
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199401150CHI.html
Pippen played and the Bulls won by 6. Hakeem had 8 turnovers.

How did the Bulls succeed against the Rockets? By playing Hakeem 1 on 1, making entry passes challenging, and closing out on shooters. Hakeem is always going to get his, the key to stopping those Rockets teams in 94 and 95 was closing out on the shooters. In 95 this was more difficult, because Drexler could still demand significant attention.

[D-FENS]

:applause:

The Blazers easily win with prime Pippen and the 94' Bulls would have if the Bulls had a legitimate starting SG. Krause cost CHI the title by failing to trade for Hornacek in favor of keeping their first round pick (which turned out to be Dickey Simpkins :facepalm ). These are real life teams he was on that he likely would have won with under more favorable circumstances (being in his prime in Portland and not having the worst starting SG in the league in 94') So it is odd to see some argue that it would be impossible for a team to win with Pippen as its best player.

I agree, that team would win it all in 94. I would stick Ho Grant on Hakeem to see how he would do.

[Roundball_Rock]

Really?

Assuming they make finals in '94, who's checking Hakeem? Luc Longley? Bill Wennington? Will Perdue?

Hakeem would get his but it is a team game. The Rockets were not a dominant team even with Hakeem at his peak (55, 58 and 47 wins). In his peak years of 1993-1995 they had two series go to the final game in every year despite his individual dominance. People point to the Knicks having Ewing to defend Hakeem but what did the Suns (two 7 games series including one in which Phoenix led 3-1), Clippers, and Jazz have at center?


How did the Bulls succeed against the Rockets? By playing Hakeem 1 on 1, making entry passes challenging, and closing out on shooters. Hakeem is always going to get his, the key to stopping those Rockets teams in 94 and 95 was closing out on the shooters. In 95 this was more difficult, because Drexler could still demand significant attention.

Yup. :applause: Hakeem was the best player in the game during those years but people overestimate how good those Rockets were. Even with Hakeem dominating the Rockets barely scraped by.

The Bulls did a solid job on Ewing in 94' and historically owned Ewing's Knicks, Daughtery's Cavs, Zo's Hornet and Heat. Shaq is the only one who managed to have post-season success against them, going 1-1.