Has any "superstar" ever had a worse resume than Chris Bosh?

[SouBeachTalents]

-One All-NBA selection in 11 seasons
-One top 10 MVP finish in 11 seasons, coming in 7th
-One winning season & 3 playoff wins as "the man" in 7 seasons, in the eastern conference no less
-2 rings as a third wheel averaging 14 & 8 and 12 & 7 in the playoffs

I legit read at least once a day on this board people calling this dude a superstar. Lettuce be real, if he never signs in Miami with LeBron & Wade, this opinion of him would never exist, it'd be in the extreme minority at best. If this is what constitutes a superstar, then there are roughly 25-30 players over the past 10-15 years that could be considered one as well.

[imnew09]

2 rings, How about Melo?

[played0ut]

Right now Carmelo Anthony. I acknowledge his skills, but yeesh.

[outbreak]

The only superstars I the league right now are kd and lebron. Kobe maybe but that's based on his past. Bosh was still a star player though and that's how I've seen most people talk about him on ish.

[NuggetsFan]

Right now Carmelo Anthony. I acknowledge his skills, but yeesh.

Trip to the conference finals. Made the playoffs every year in a loaded Western Conference. Getting knocked out in the 1st round by legit teams usually. Scoring title. 6 times in the top 5. 3 other times in the top 10. Two top 10 MVP finishes. 7x All-Star. 4 time All-NBA 3rd team. 2x All-NBA 2nd.

Melo shits on Chris Bosh from an individual standpoint. His numbers and play weren't even good enough while he was winning to really change anything either. Averaging 12/7 on 46% shooting? Congrats on the ring but that doesn't scream superstar :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

2 rings, How about Melo?

Horry > Kobe then

[NBAplayoffs2001]

-One All-NBA selection in 11 seasons
-One top 10 MVP finish in 11 seasons, coming in 7th
-One winning season & 3 playoff wins as "the man" in 7 seasons, in the eastern conference no less
-2 rings as a third wheel averaging 14 & 8 and 12 & 7 in the playoffs

I legit read at least once a day on this board people calling this dude a superstar. Lettuce be real, if he never signs in Miami with LeBron & Wade, this opinion of him would never exist, it'd be in the extreme minority at best. If this is what constitutes a superstar, then there are roughly 25-30 players over the past 10-15 years that could be considered one as well.

Horace Grant?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

has somebody actually called horace grant a superstar?

[pastis]

bosh will end his career with more all-star appearances than Dirk. :

but i hope he will come back strong next season and bosh will average his 22/8-10. heat will destroy LeQuits cavaliers

[JT123]

:applause: Let's be real though, no one actually thinks Bosh is a superstar. Nobody calls him that except Kobe and Durant stans in an attempt to diminish Lebron's rings.

[JT123]

bosh will end his career with more all-star appearances than Dirk. :

but i think heat will come back strong next season and bosh will average his 22/8-10. heat will destroy LeQuits cavaliers
All the proof you need that All Star selections don't mean jack! :lol
If Bosh was in the West he might not have any All Star selections.

[Hoopz2332]

:applause: Let's be real though, no one actually thinks Bosh is a superstar. Nobody calls him that except Kobe and Durant stans in an attempt to diminish Lebron's rings.


this:oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

has somebody actually called horace grant a superstar?

Nah, don't think so.

[Roundball_Rock]

:applause: Let's be real though, no one actually thinks Bosh is a superstar. Nobody calls him that except Kobe and Durant stans in an attempt to diminish Lebron's rings.

:applause: Don't forget MJ stans too! :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

:applause: Let's be real though, no one actually thinks Bosh is a superstar. Nobody calls him that except Kobe and Durant stans in an attempt to diminish Lebron's rings.

Unfortunately, that's just not true

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5368003

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11163634/miami-heat-banking-significant-salary-cap-space

http://online.wsj.com/articles/lebron-james-to-return-to-cleveland-1405096366

http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/263956/speedreads-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-and-chris-bosh-want-you-to-hate-the-heat-even-more

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2116998-dwyane-wade-and-chris-bosh-taking-discounts-is-all-about-lebron-james

[outbreak]

:applause: Don't forget MJ stans too! :oldlol:
I don't think MJ stans have to actually defend anything though...

[TheMarkMadsen]

So if he's not a superstar and is some borderline scrub to good role player as you seem to insist on then..

Bran in the 2011 finals during his prime not only got outscored by a role player on the other team but a role player on his team as well...

Damn..

[SouBeachTalents]

So if he's not a superstar and is some borderline scrub to good role player as you seem to insist on then..

Bran in the 2011 finals during his prime not only got outscored by a role player on the other team but a role player on his team as well...

Damn..

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. Bosh is a good player, but he hasn't done ANYTHING in his career to be considered a superstar, especially on the level of LeBron & prime Wade

[KD35Brah]

So if he's not a superstar and is some borderline scrub to good role player as you seem to insist on then..

Bran in the 2011 finals during his prime not only got outscored by a role player on the other team but a role player on his team as well...

Damn..rekt

[bizil]

Bosh isn't a superstar type of player. He's the next level under that though in my opinion. He's a very good scorer with a great scoring skillset. He's also a very good rebounder too. But the true superstar type players are at least dominant scorers usually. Or they are dominant all around players who stuff a stat sheet. Or they are so dominant in intangibles like Stockton or Rodman. But with that said, Bosh has a very good chance to make the HOF. The only players with a better resume than him in his era are guys who are likely top 10 GOAT players at their respective positions. Bosh has had an outstanding career in my book so far. It's just not EPIC like his guys Bron and Wade!

[Milbuck]

All the proof you need that All Star selections don't mean jack! :lol
If Bosh was in the West he might not have any All Star selections.
So are you admitting that compared to the West, the Eastern conference is a pile of shit? Which goes against everything you've said about the East in the past :confusedshrug:

[G-train]

Bosh was a 22/10 player for 5 years at the Raptors, he was a star in the NBA and got numerous max offers.

I don't know where you have been for 4 years, but he has playing third wheel behind 2 dominant ball handling guards getting 25% less shots.
In doing that, he went to the finals 4 times and won twice.
This season he will average over 20 points a game, on great %'s and with his now high level defence.

I would go as far to say that EVERY team in the NBA would want Chris Bosh.
An elite high post and turn and face low post player with legit 3 point range, with good D, on top of being a great team mate and leader.
The selflessness he displayed in Miami is extremely rare in the NBA.

[zoom17]

Melo

[edrick]

Only on ISH is a player considered a superstar that won only 3 playoff games total in 7 years, and as the main dude on a team in the East.

The problem is that the term superstar has a different meaning depending on who you ask.

[JT123]

So are you admitting that compared to the West, the Eastern conference is a pile of shit? Which goes against everything you've said about the East in the past :confusedshrug:
No, the West is still overrated as shit. However, it happens to be very strong at the PF position, which is why Bosh wouldn't have many selections in that Conference. :confusedshrug:

[Collie]

This is what Kevin Love will become when he joins the Cavs. Plus more rebounding.

[G.O.A.T]

Bosh actually has a pretty nice resume...

10 prime seasons 20-9-2 with two titles and four finals trips
A five year individual peak of 23-10-2 with an average of 40 wins without another top 60 teammate.
9 all-star games in 11 seasons
an all-nba second team and two top-12 MVP showings.

Already a top 150 player all-time.

Much better resume than Horace Grant, Robert Horry,


Bosh isn't a superstar type of player. He's the next level under that though in my opinion. He's a very good scorer with a great scoring skillset. He's also a very good rebounder too. But the true superstar type players are at least dominant scorers usually. Or they are dominant all around players who stuff a stat sheet. Or they are so dominant in intangibles like Stockton or Rodman. But with that said, Bosh has a very good chance to make the HOF. The only players with a better resume than him in his era are guys who are likely top 10 GOAT players at their respective positions. Bosh has had an outstanding career in my book so far. It's just not EPIC like his guys Bron and Wade!

I am sort of in agreement with this. Other than the very good rebounder part. I'd say, fine rebounder and above average defender.

His time in Toronto showed he was a star, but not a superstar. Even when the big three first joined up in 2010, he was the clear number three.

Judging him by his all-NBA selections or lack there of is obviously flawed. Consider #3 turned #2 options James Worthy and Kevin McHale, greater than Bosh for sure, and many others with better all-NBA merits.

His career has been just as it should be somewhere between Robert Parish and Larry Nance. Guys who were #1 type players on lesser teams and joined winning teams as #3 options. (a bit of a stretch but it works) His resume puts him above Nance and below Parish (so far). Seems about right to me.

[Roundball_Rock]

He was never considered a "superstar" until 2010 when the media wanted to promote the "Big 3" narrative. Today does anyone consider him a superstar? Even LeBron haters, now that LeBron has left, are no longer calling him a superstar. There is a thread on top 20 players and no one said Bosh was snubbed from that list. Yet the media, LeBron detractors were referring to him as a superstar just last month. :oldlol:

[Derka]

Melo and Chris Paul?

[LBJFTW]

Horace Grant?

^ :lol

This guy thinks that anyone ever considered Grant a superstar.

Dude was a role player.

[LBJFTW]

Bosh actually has a pretty nice resume...

10 prime seasons 20-9-2 with two titles and four finals trips
A five year individual peak of 23-10-2 with an average of 40 wins without another top 60 teammate.
9 all-star games in 11 seasons
an all-nba second team and two top-12 MVP showings.

Already a top 150 player all-time.

Much better resume than Horace Grant, Robert Horry,



I am sort of in agreement with this. Other than the very good rebounder part. I'd say, fine rebounder and above average defender.

His time in Toronto showed he was a star, but not a superstar. Even when the big three first joined up in 2010, he was the clear number three.

Judging him by his all-NBA selections or lack there of is obviously flawed. Consider #3 turned #2 options James Worthy and Kevin McHale, greater than Bosh for sure, and many others with better all-NBA merits.

His career has been just as it should be somewhere between Robert Parish and Larry Nance. Guys who were #1 type players on lesser teams and joined winning teams as #3 options. (a bit of a stretch but it works) His resume puts him above Nance and below Parish (so far). Seems about right to me.

You gotta respect a poster that's pulling Larry Nance outa the archives to use as an example. Read and learn from this man kids.

You'll go farther in life.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was never considered a "superstar" until 2010 when the media wanted to promote the "Big 3" narrative. Today does anyone consider him a superstar? Even LeBron haters, now that LeBron has left, are no longer calling him a superstar. There is a thread on top 20 players and no one said Bosh was snubbed from that list. Yet the media, LeBron detractors were referring to him as a superstar just last month. :oldlol:

:applause: :cheers: This is primarily the ONLY god damn reason Bosh has ever been considered one. You couldn't even make an argument for him being better than Elton Brand was on the Clippers, and I know no one ever referred to Brand as a "superstar"

[Optimus Prime]

Was Bosh ever considered a "superstar"? :confusedshrug:

But to answer the question, yes. Carmelo Anthony.

[navy]

Bosh isn't a superstar type of player. He's the next level under that though in my opinion. He's a very good scorer with a great scoring skillset. He's also a very good rebounder too. But the true superstar type players are at least dominant scorers usually. Or they are dominant all around players who stuff a stat sheet. Or they are so dominant in intangibles like Stockton or Rodman. But with that said, Bosh has a very good chance to make the HOF. The only players with a better resume than him in his era are guys who are likely top 10 GOAT players at their respective positions. Bosh has had an outstanding career in my book so far. It's just not EPIC like his guys Bron and Wade!
:biggums:

[navy]

He was never considered a "superstar" until 2010 when the media wanted to promote the "Big 3" narrative. Today does anyone consider him a superstar? Even LeBron haters, now that LeBron has left, are no longer calling him a superstar. There is a thread on top 20 players and no one said Bosh was snubbed from that list. Yet the media, LeBron detractors were referring to him as a superstar just last month. :oldlol:
/thread

[CelticBaller]

Post bosh stats pre heat

[Optimus Prime]

Post bosh stats pre heat

Embedding the table didn't work. :(

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2003-04 19 TOR NBA C 75 63 2510 327 712 .459 5 14 .357 322 698 .461 202 288 .701 191 366 557 78 59 106 107 215 861
2004-05 20 TOR NBA PF 81 81 3017 473 1005 .471 3 10 .300 470 995 .472 412 542 .760 194 524 718 153 76 113 187 226 1361
2005-06 ★ 21 TOR NBA C 70 70 2751 549 1087 .505 0 13 .000 549 1074 .511 474 581 .816 204 443 647 181 50 79 157 209 1572
2006-07 ★ 22 TOR NBA C 69 69 2658 543 1094 .496 12 35 .343 531 1059 .501 463 590 .785 186 555 741 175 39 90 179 163 1561
2007-08 ★ 23 TOR NBA C 67 67 2425 507 1027 .494 10 25 .400 497 1002 .496 472 559 .844 174 409 583 171 63 67 153 157 1496
2008-09 ★ 24 TOR NBA C 77 77 2928 615 1263 .487 12 49 .245 603 1214 .497 504 617 .817 215 556 771 191 67 77 174 189 1746
2009-10 ★ 25 TOR NBA C 70 70 2526 600 1158 .518 8 22 .364 592 1136 .521 470 590 .797 205 554 759 166 43 68 169 170 1678

From:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

[SouBeachTalents]

Melo and Chris Paul?

Melo- 6 All-NBA selections, one scoring title, two top 10 MVP finishes, including a 3rd

CP3- 6 All-NBA selections (including 4 first), 6 All-NBA Defensive selections, 3x assists leader, 6x steals leader, 5 top ten MVP finishes, including 4 top 5

And as extremely unimpressive as they've both been in the playoff, they've at least won series as "the man" or co best player, in the west no less.

Besides 2 third wheel rings, explain how Bosh's resume is better than those two?

[SouBeachTalents]

Was Bosh ever considered a "superstar"? :confusedshrug:

But to answer the question, yes. Carmelo Anthony.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5368003

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11163634/miami-heat-banking-significant-salary-cap-space

http://online.wsj.com/articles/lebron-james-to-return-to-cleveland-1405096366

http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/263956/speedreads-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-and-chris-bosh-want-you-to-hate-the-heat-even-more

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2116998-dwyane-wade-and-chris-bosh-taking-discounts-is-all-about-lebron-james

[WillC]

Bob Lanier was an 8-time All-Star but never made an All-NBA Team.

Likewise, Lenny Wilkens was a 9-time All-Star but failed to make an All-NBA Team.

There are plenty of other examples (Nate Thurmond, Jack Sikma, Chet Walker, etc).

For me, the most undeserved multiple All-Star selection was/is Joe Johnson. He made an All-League 3rd Team once-upon-a-time and yet he has 7 All-Star selections. The other players I've mentioned were all better than him, in my opinion.

[kentatm]

Lettuce be real, if he never signs in Miami with LeBron & Wade,

he would be the new Shareef Abdur Raheem

[Ca$H]

Kobe haters consider gasol to be a superstar so I'll go with Gasol since raptors Bosh > grizzlies gasol. Don't hold it against Kobe that he made Gasol better while Bran made Bosh worse.

[trabash]

Never has and never will be a superstar.

[edrick]

Kobe haters consider gasol to be a superstar so I'll go with Gasol since raptors Bosh > grizzlies gasol. Don't hold it against Kobe that he made Gasol better while Bran made Bosh worse.

It's not LeBron's fault Kobe misses more shots than he makes. Bosh also doesn't live under the rim like Gasol was while he was putting back Kobe's bricks.

[comerb]

Who in the hell has ever considered Bosh a "superstar"?

The answer. People who make stupid ass threads.

[GrapeApe]

Superstar is an ambiguous term and it's pointless to debate semantics. Bosh is an outstanding player. Every team in the league would love to have him. He's probably not a centerpiece on a championship contender but few players are. His resume will be extremely impressive when his career is over.

[VIP2000]

Superstar? No
Star? Yes

I say he's good enough in that he could probably win a title as the #2 option.

[bdreason]

Bosh has never been a "superstar". He is an All-Star caliber 20-10 bigman though... which is about one step away from being a "superstar".


Bosh we will back up around 20/10 on 50% again next season.

[Legends66NBA7]

Who in the hell has ever considered Bosh a "superstar"?

The answer. People who make stupid ass threads.

This and only this.

[tpols]

Whats a superstar? A top 5 player at worst?


When has chris bosh ever been a top 5 player? This is an exclusive list..

its kobe/duncan/wade/lebron/dirk every year and ???

[dubeta]

If Bosh is a superstar then so was Odom during his Laker days

[Legends66NBA7]

Whats a superstar? A top 5 player at worst?


When has chris bosh ever been a top 5 player? This is an exclusive list..

its kobe/duncan/wade/lebron/dirk every year and ???

He's never been a Top 10 player either.

Also, I would add KG. That contract he got and all the deals to go along with all-time great production and hardware ? Clearly a superstar.

[tpols]

He's never been a Top 10 player either.

Also, I would add KG. That contract he got and all the deals to go along with all-time great production and hardware ? Clearly a superstar.

I wouldve added KG.. was tryna do a top five tho.:D

also kg fell off quicker than all those guys. Overall bosh is a 3rd or 2nd option type.. no superstar shit. but still.. if you got wade(legit superstar) + a 20/10 'allstar level guy' not superstar level:rolleyes: ... you still take it. Bosh couldve won chips as the second best guy. You dont even need a 'superstar' teammate for compliment to win.

McHale wasnt top 5.. pau gasol wasnt top 5.. arguablly pippen wasnt top 5 while he won with MJ

[R.I.P.]

There is definitely something to be said about the fact that he

[GimmeThat]

while it's kinda getting old.

Ray Allen's resume isn't/wasn't nessecarily better than Bosh's

[fiddy]

Bosh it not a superstar lol

[GimmeThat]

Bosh it not a superstar lol

Quality big men being available right around the prime of their career. They don't come around that often.

plus, players who can play on the perimiter end offensively, doesn't equate to players who can defend against perimiter plays.

[navy]

Bosh has never been a "superstar". He is an All-Star caliber 20-10 bigman though... which is about one step away from being a "superstar".


Bosh we will back up around 20/10 on 50% again next season.
10 rebounds for Bosh? :oldlol:

[Lebronxrings]

If Bosh is a superstar then so was Odom during his Laker days
this and fisher too

[VIP2000]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]There is definitely something to be said about the fact that he

[Rameek]

Bosh played on some pretty terrible teams in Southern Alaska....

The guy is legit just played for a horrendous organization. With literally some of the worst cast of teammates.

[Roundball_Rock]

I wouldve added KG.. was tryna do a top five tho.:D

also kg fell off quicker than all those guys. Overall bosh is a 3rd or 2nd option type.. no superstar shit. but still.. if you got wade(legit superstar) + a 20/10 'allstar level guy' not superstar level:rolleyes: ... you still take it. Bosh couldve won chips as the second best guy. You dont even need a 'superstar' teammate for compliment to win.

McHale wasnt top 5.. pau gasol wasnt top 5.. arguablly pippen wasnt top 5 while he won with MJ

If Wade and Bosh are so good surely the Heat will contend next year?

[rmt]

Bosh - $23.6 million/year - more than 3 times
Diaw - $7.5 million/year

What a joke on Miami. So much for him saying he's willing to take less - he took them to the cleaners. It's disgusting that a player like Bosh can make that amount of money just because Miami is desperate.

Lebron must be Bosh's new best friend and Wade's new worst enemy.

[flipogb]

Bosh is a star, but he is not a superstar. hell hes not even a superstar when compared to just PFs

[Soundwave]

If Wade and Bosh are so good surely the Heat will contend next year?

Depends 100% on Wade's knees and pretty much nothing else.

[red1]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/06/chris-bosh-champs-glasses-cigar.jpg

[pastis]

im def. not a fan of bosh, but he will have a couple nice years in the EC. he is still in his prime and now he can show his real value.

[ILLsmak]

Bosh played on some pretty terrible teams in Southern Alaska....

The guy is legit just played for a horrendous organization. With literally some of the worst cast of teammates.

It's funny cuz he actually has a good resume. I'd say his resume > his ability. He's not a superstar, but he's a legit star. Or was. We'll see.


Bosh is a star, but he is not a superstar. hell hes not even a superstar when compared to just PFs

Edit: Hmm... he's better compared to PF. Especially as a player who can do something almost no one else can.

Bosh may be wetter than K Love. Let's make a thread!


-Smak

[SouBeachTalents]

Surprised to see no one has defended Bosh's "superstar" status, I guess it's just been trolls on here and misinformed people in the media

[bizil]

Bosh actually has a pretty nice resume...

10 prime seasons 20-9-2 with two titles and four finals trips
A five year individual peak of 23-10-2 with an average of 40 wins without another top 60 teammate.
9 all-star games in 11 seasons
an all-nba second team and two top-12 MVP showings.

Already a top 150 player all-time.

Much better resume than Horace Grant, Robert Horry,



I am sort of in agreement with this. Other than the very good rebounder part. I'd say, fine rebounder and above average defender.

His time in Toronto showed he was a star, but not a superstar. Even when the big three first joined up in 2010, he was the clear number three.

Judging him by his all-NBA selections or lack there of is obviously flawed. Consider #3 turned #2 options James Worthy and Kevin McHale, greater than Bosh for sure, and many others with better all-NBA merits.

His career has been just as it should be somewhere between Robert Parish and Larry Nance. Guys who were #1 type players on lesser teams and joined winning teams as #3 options. (a bit of a stretch but it works) His resume puts him above Nance and below Parish (so far). Seems about right to me.

Good post! In terms of rebounding, his Toronto years say he was a fine rebounder for sure. I think what's ironic is that when he signed with the heat, he wasn't in that 28-32 years of age for peak. He was still growing as a player. He went to Miami to be a great third option and the play worked. But now we will see what Bosh can do as number one or two (depending on Wade's health) in Miami. We will see if he game has grown since his Toronto days.