For Lebron so loved the idea of returning home...

[poido123]

That he wants to overhaul the team by offloading their young talent and gathering former teammates to play with him?

On top of that, he commits to 1 year with a second year option. If he is so adamant about helping this team, why not just commit to the max now over 4 or 5 years? And once the new cap comes in, he allows for more cap space so the management can sign other good players around him..

That humble, gracious and wonderful guy...where does the media narrative make sense here.

It doesn't.

[imnew09]

Its all business bruh. Signing a 2-yr contract gives him the most money that cavs can offer at the moment. Once the contract expires he then could sign for a 4yr contract around 97mil

Lebron and his fans and media portray his action as loyalty, but in a non bias persons perspective, its all about money and the attention that he gets from coming back to The Cavs

[navy]

How many times is this thread going to be made lol?

[navy]

This is a business. Lebron's goal is to bring a championship to Cleveland. That's it. He has no ties to any of the talent there. Absolutely none. He doesnt care what happens to them and he shouldnt. All this unroven young talent is just useless hype for Lebron.

As for the rest of your post,
There is nothing wrong with the best player in the world trying to get paid.

[poido123]

Its all business bruh. Signing a 2-yr contract gives him the most money that cavs can offer at the moment. Once the contract expires he then could sign for a 4yr contract around 97mil

Lebron and his fans and media portray his action as loyalty, but in a non bias persons perspective, its all about money and the attention that he gets from coming back to The Cavs


The guy is mega rich and will make bucket loads of cash in endorsements etc because of his move to Cleveland.

The cap provides flexibility for the management to fit players around him. Taking the biggest chunk possible out of it does not help your team get better or your situation.

Its just pure selfishness and greed.

[Mr. Incredible]

OP is in love with LeBron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's not as much about coming home as he would like people to think..

Option

A) return to the heat, media narrative begins to question wether the big 3 have lived up to expectations, having more finals series lost than won begins to creep up.. Ultimate pressure to make the finals again, live up to the "not 5 not 6 not 7 but 8" hype..

Or

B) return home, be touted as a hero, no pressure to return or even win the finals the next year, release a statement written by a PR guy with an apology and take the expectations off of making the finals or winning a championship by claiming "it's a process, this will take time" (all while trying to gut the team for all stars and former teammates :rolleyes: ) if you make the finals or even the ECF in that shitty conference you'll be praised, if you win a championship after getting your hand picked all stars (again) you'll be praised like superman..win-win situation


Brans gonna take option B obviously :applause:

[navy]

OP is in love with LeBron.
He's going to lead Cavs threads in post just like he did Heat threads. :applause:

[imdaman99]

bran is gonna build the miami cavaliers part 2. and then when they fail, all blame will go on his help part 3

history repeats itself.

[plowking]

Go to Cleveland, win a championship, then go back to where he belongs in Miami, and win 4 more.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He's going to lead Cavs threads in post just like he did Heat threads. :applause:

What about you? Who do you root for?

[poido123]

OP is in love with LeBron.


I could never take your lover boy away. He has enough leeches.

[navy]

Go to Cleveland, win a championship, then go back to where he belongs in Miami, and win 4 more.
I've been saying this for the longest. Lebron wins a ring these first two years and he's gone. :bowdown:

[navy]

What about you? Who do you root for?
Lakers fan since 78'.

[poido123]

Go to Cleveland, win a championship, then go back to where he belongs in Miami, and win 4 more.


:lol:

If he left Cleveland again, even I would fear for his safety...

[JT123]

:cry: :cry: :cry:
:rolleyes:

[plowking]

:rolleyes:

You mad bruh?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lakers fan since 78'.

Oh okay so you're another bran stan who roots for whatever home team bathrooms Lebrons pisses in & then proceeds to make fun of other posters for bringing their dislike to other teams while you shamelessly bring your Lebron dick riding to the same team.

Nice.

[imnew09]

The guy is mega rich and will make bucket loads of cash in endorsements etc because of his move to Cleveland.

The cap provides flexibility for the management to fit players around him. Taking the biggest chunk possible out of it does not help your team get better or your situation.

Its just pure selfishness and greed.

Hope you know that LEbron is tryna become a billionarie athlete

[poido123]

Hope you know that LEbron is tryna become a billionarie athlete


I've heard.

What a contribution to mankind :rolleyes:

[navy]

Oh okay so you're another bran stan who roots for whatever home team bathrooms Lebrons pisses in & then proceeds to make fun of other posters for bringing their dislike to other teams while you shamelessly bring your Lebron dick riding to the same team.

Nice.
Im a Laker's fan bro. Stop hating.

Ive despised the Cavs since 88'. Despised Poido since 2014

[jimmy77x]

Oh okay so you're another bran stan who roots for whatever home team bathrooms Lebrons pisses in & then proceeds to make fun of other posters for bringing their dislike to other teams while you shamelessly bring your Lebron dick riding to the same team.

Nice.

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy239/blkst3/Owned-Connect4.jpg

[poido123]

Oh okay so you're another bran stan who roots for whatever home team bathrooms Lebrons pisses in & then proceeds to make fun of other posters for bringing their dislike to other teams while you shamelessly bring your Lebron dick riding to the same team.

Nice.


repped

[JT123]

I've heard.

What a contribution to mankind :rolleyes:
:oldlol: Lebron has done more for mankind than you ever will. How much of your salary are you giving to charities? Never mind, you probably don't even have a job.

[poido123]

:oldlol: Lebron has done more for mankind than you ever will. How much of your salary are you giving to charities? Never mind, you probably don't even have a job.

I go to uni and work.

So we are supposed to praise multi millionaires for their heavily recommended PR promotion by involving themselves in charities? Unlikely.

Jordan contributes a lot to charity but he's still a greedy, egotistic asshole...

Give me 25 million a year and I'll happily contribute 20% of my earnings.

Sit down.

[FPJ]

OP, what can you tell us about Rose's contract? Should his next contract be 10 mil/3 years cause he stole so much money from the Bulls already? He already makes loads via some drunk adidas ex employee, should he consider playing for the joy of wearing a cow on his shirt?

[poido123]

OP, what can you tell us about Rose's contract? Should his next contract be 10 mil/3 years cause he stole so much money from the Bulls already? He already makes loads via some drunk adidas ex employee, should he consider playing for the joy of wearing a cow on his shirt?


He is injured, which IS NOT IN HIS CONTROL. :hammerhead:

Every situation is based on its merits. I don't know how lebrons situation is anything like rose?

Apples and oranges dude

[BlkMambaGOAT]

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy239/blkst3/Owned-Connect4.jpg
Doesn't the black guy already have a connect 4. This photo is whack.:coleman:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

There were reports that the Cavs tried trading for Love before LeBron even went there..at the draft...offering the #1 overall pick...but Love wasn't interested in re-signing...this notion that Cleveland only wants Love because LeBron is demanding him is just false..

[FPJ]

He is injured, which IS NOT IN HIS CONTROL. :hammerhead:

Every situation is based on its merits. I don't know how lebrons situation is anything like rose?

Apples and oranges dude

Seriously though, should Rose ask for the min? Should he feel bad for taking money he didnt earn? Answer this and if i like the answer i may explain to you why Lebron chose this contract, even though someone else tried to already.

[poido123]

Seriously though, should Rose ask for the min? Should he feel bad for taking money he didnt earn? Answer this and if i like the answer i may explain to you why Lebron chose this contract, even though someone else tried to already.


I already know. He purposely chose a 2 year contract to take advantage of the expected salary jump up to around 80 million ish I believe?

I don't know how I can start to compare rose and lebron. Lebron is due his money now, but chose a shorter time for a future windfall. Rose is currently serving out his contract and will be due the max again if he remains healthy.

Lebron is purposely ignoring a max contract now, to cash in once the new cap comes in. How does that help Cleveland's flexibility? Lebron deserves the max, but take it now and do the right thing for the organizations flexibility.

Rose comes off contract when the new cap comes in, so the comparison is futile.

[GimmeThat]

it's probably how we all feel about putting on them old clothes

just a matter of whether it's clothes after they gained weight, or after they lose weight.

[FPJ]

I already know. He purposely chose a 2 year contract to take advantage of the expected salary jump up to around 80 million ish I believe?

I don't know how I can start to compare rose and lebron. Lebron is due his money now, but chose a shorter time for a future windfall. Rose is currently serving out his contract and will be due the max again if he remains healthy.

Lebron is purposely ignoring a max contract now, to cash in once the new cap comes in. How does that help Cleveland's flexibility? Lebron deserves the max, but take it now and do the right thing for the organizations flexibility.

Rose comes off contract when the new cap comes in, so the comparison is futile.

You are right, you can't compare the two. No one did, though.

Lebron can do whatever he wants because he's Lebron, he can carry teams by himself. He sets whatever rules he wants. In Cleveland, Lebron is owner, GM and player.

It's funny to me seeing all the double standard on this forum. When Lebron took a paycut, he was the devil cause he wanted to collude with other superstars. When he goes after the big pay day, he's a villain cause he doesn't wanna help his team, even though the roster structure isnt in need of that.

Meanwhile, in LA...
Meanwhile, in NY...

Meanwhile, in the NBA...

[poido123]

You are right, you can't compare the two. No one did, though.

Lebron can do whatever he wants because he's Lebron, he can carry teams by himself. He sets whatever rules he wants. In Cleveland, Lebron is owner, GM and player.

It's funny to me seeing all the double standard on this forum. When Lebron took a paycut, he was the devil cause he wanted to collude with other superstars. When he goes after the big pay day, he's a villain cause he doesn't wanna help his team, even though the roster structure isnt in need of that.

Meanwhile, in LA...
Meanwhile, in NY...

Meanwhile, in the NBA...


Lebron does everything within the rules, but that isn't what I was questioning here..

I just wish that the best player in the game and the ambassador for the sport would do things that were genuinely thoughtful and not just with his own interests in mind all the time.

That's what used to bug me about Jordan after he retired, it was all about him and how much money he can make. He even sued a local shop for using one of his slogans to promote a product, that stuff can be let go otherwise its comes across really crass.

I do not support athletes who are either greedy or putting themselves before their teammates.

Guys like dirk and Duncan you can clearly see that they are thankful for what they have and will sacrifice money and accolades for the betterment of the team.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron does everything within the rules, but that isn't what I was questioning here..

I just wish that the best player in the game and the ambassador for the sport would do things that were genuinely thoughtful and not just with his own interests in mind all the time.

That's what used to bug me about Jordan after he retired, it was all about him and how much money he can make. He even sued a local shop for using one of his slogans to promote a product, that stuff can be let go otherwise its comes across really crass.

I do not support athletes who are either greedy or putting themselves before their teammates.

Guys like dirk and Duncan you can clearly see that they are thankful for what they have and will sacrifice money and accolades for the betterment of the team.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10037070&postcount=77


The Heat, namely James took a significant paycut to allow a team to form together that in any normal salary cap circumstance, would not be allowed to happen. That doesn't mean they get less money(Florida state taxes), it just means that they manipulated the salary cap to make a super team.

Where does it end? Let's say Jordan in his prime decided to take half pay for the next 3 seasons and allow Lebron to join him on a max contract? How fair would the competition be then?

That's what people have a problem with. They had to cheat their way into making a team that should of been impossible to make.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10222976&postcount=32


Lebron taking a paycut to fit other great players in, yet loses nothing on state taxes and endorsements.

Cheating muthafcker

[NumberSix]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10037070&postcount=77



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10222976&postcount=32
Wow. Pedo is a shameless agenda driven bitch. Who knew?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wow. Pedo is a shameless agenda driven bitch. Who knew?
literally took my 10 seconds to find that shit too...i figured he had bitched about lbj taking a paycut before..just typed in "poido123 lebron max site:insidehoops.com" on google was like the 3rd link :oldlol:

[navy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10037070&postcount=77



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10222976&postcount=32
:roll:

[poido123]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10037070&postcount=77



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10222976&postcount=32


So I have an agenda? I don't like the guy, I make light of my own players flaws too, i don't discriminate.

So what's the problem? I made my points, you dont have to agree, discuss your opinion or just say nothing :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

literally took my 10 seconds to find that shit too...i figured he had bitched about lbj taking a paycut before..just typed in "poido123 lebron max site:insidehoops.com" on google was like the 3rd link :oldlol:


Clearly you know the difference between guys well past their prime taking paycuts and a guy in his prime doing it to gain an advantage over his competitors?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Clearly you know the difference between guys well past their prime taking paycuts and a guy in his prime doing it to gain an advantage over his competitors?
you know when you have start adding qualifiers that weren't in your original argument you took an L...besides 1) dirk took a cut in his prime 2) lebron is still in his prime (and still will be at 31) yet you're still bitching about him taking too much money....:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Clearly you know the difference between guys well past their prime taking paycuts and a guy in his prime doing it to gain an advantage over his competitors?
So, what is it? LeBron should or shouldn't take a paycut? It can't be both.

[poido123]

you know when you have start adding qualifiers that weren't in your original argument you took an L...besides 1) dirk took a cut in his prime 2) lebron is still in his prime (and still will be at 31) yet you're still bitching about him taking too much money....:oldlol:

FCK off idiot.

You found the time to go look for these old threads, I bet you could find the ones where I explain this? Instead of just conveniently highlighting one aspect of my argument, I did explain the part about the pay cut in prime thing. I remember discussing it with plowking from memory.

I didn't bother reading those ones you linked, since you never took the time to frame my whole argument, I appreciate your agenda too buddy

[navy]

The guy is mega rich and will make bucket loads of cash in endorsements etc because of his move to Cleveland.

The cap provides flexibility for the management to fit players around him. Taking the biggest chunk possible out of it does not help your team get better or your situation.

Its just pure selfishness and greed.
Lebron should cheat and take a paycut. :rockon:

[poido123]

So, what is it? LeBron should or shouldn't take a paycut? It can't be both.


Take the max now and show the city you are;

1. Totally committed to Cleveland and not looking to handicap their cap flexibility in the future

2. Not giving any indication that you will get up and Leave again for greener pastures.

And 3. Gain the right to be GM of the team, since you are committed 100%

[RoundMoundOfReb]

FCK off idiot.

You found the time to go look for these old threads, I bet you could find the ones where I explain this? Instead of just conveniently highlighting one aspect of my argument, I did explain the part about the pay cut in prime thing. I remember discussing it with plowking from memory.

I didn't bother reading those ones you linked, since you never took the time to frame my whole argument, I appreciate your agenda too buddy
except he's STILL in his prime and he's STILL the best player the league so your whole "well it's okay if they're not prime" (which is idiotic logic anyways...either your getting paid what you're worth or you're not) argument doesn't apply at all...


And im pretty sure Dirk took a pay-cut in his prime...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Take the max now and show the city you are;

1. Totally committed to Cleveland and not looking to handicap their cap flexibility in the future

2. Not giving any indication that you will get up and Leave again for greener pastures.

And 3. Gain the right to be GM of the team, since you are committed 100%
so make the max amount of money or not??

and he has pretty much said he's retiring in cleveland...he's not leaving

[NumberSix]

Pedo is a confused little hater.

[poido123]

so make the max amount of money or not??

and he has pretty much said he's retiring in cleveland...he's not leaving


Take the L, you are clearly reaching on whatifs here :coleman:

3 clear reasons I have layed out here for why he should of took the max now.

Either argue against it, or admit defeat.

[NumberSix]

Take the L, you are clearly reaching on whatifs here :coleman:

3 clear reasons I have layed out here for why he should of took the max now.

Either argue against it, or admit defeat.
Lol. Pedo is pathetic.:roll:

[poido123]

except he's STILL in his prime and he's STILL the best player the league so your whole "well it's okay if they're not prime" (which is idiotic logic anyways...either your getting paid what you're worth or you're not) argument doesn't apply at all...


And im pretty sure Dirk took a pay-cut in his prime...


Absolutely argument applies.

No competitive athlete in the history of the sport has done what lebron did in his prime and the best player in the league.

Big difference between a 35-38 year old who is still productive but takes a pay cut, compared to a guy who is the best player in the world, trying to manipulate an advantage over his competitors.

[poido123]

Lol. Pedo is pathetic.:roll:


You let yourself down when you post like this.

You're not simple like the dubetas of ISH...

[NumberSix]

You let yourself down when you post like this.

You're not simple like the dubetas of ISH...
What are you bitching about? You're saying LeBron SHOULD have taken a max contract. Newsflash. He did. He's getting over $20 million a season.

You also just said he's being greedy for taking the max. You got caught. You boxed yourself in. Admit defeat and move on.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Absolutely argument applies.

No competitive athlete in the history of the sport has done what lebron did in his prime and the best player in the league.

Big difference between a 35-38 year old who is still productive but takes a pay cut, compared to a guy who is the best player in the world, trying to manipulate an advantage over his competitors.
Dirk took a pay cut in his prime....MJ in his prime made less than Charles Barkley...Pretty sure Duncan never had a max deal in his prime....Tom Brady has taken massive pay cuts...these guys aren't competitive athletes?

And: EVEN IF we accept your argument, you're still being illogical since LeBron is STILL in his prime...so what makes it ok to take a pay cut now?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Take the L, you are clearly reaching on whatifs here :coleman:

3 clear reasons I have layed out here for why he should of took the max now.

Either argue against it, or admit defeat.

How the **** am i reaching for "what ifs"? Can you read?

I asked a question (which you didn't answer)

and stated a fact (that he pretty much said he's retiring in CLE)...i can post the exact wording from the letter if you'd like...

[NumberSix]

Dirk took a pay cut in his prime....MJ in his prime made less than Charles Barkley...Pretty sure Duncan never had a max deal in his prime....Tom Brady has taken massive pay cuts...these guys aren't competitive athletes?

And: EVEN IF we accept your argument, your still being illogical since LeBron is STILL in his prime...so what makes it ok to take a pay cut now?
When he thought LeBron was going to take a paycut...

"AWWWWW. LeBron is a CHEATER!!! What a bitch move."



Now that LeBron has taken a max contract...

"What a greedy fcuk this LeBron is. He should have taken a paycut."

[poido123]

What are you bitching about? You're saying LeBron SHOULD have taken a max contract. Newsflash. He did. He's getting over $20 million a season.

You also just said he's being greedy for taking the max. You got caught. You boxed yourself in. Admit defeat and move on.


:facepalm

Why do I bother writing sometimes when people like you just keep talking and miss the points I made.

Feel free to break down the points I made and then make a reasonable argument why you think otherwise.

All you've done is ignore everything I've said about the max now and the max when the cap raises...

you've missed what I said with the 3 reasons for signing now. How about starting on those?

Max contract NOW over 5 years, not 1 committed year and a 2nd year option..

[played0ut]

Dirk took a pay cut in his prime....MJ in his prime made less than Charles Barkley...Pretty sure Duncan never had a max deal in his prime....Tom Brady has taken massive pay cuts...these guys aren't competitive athletes?

He signed an 8 year contract and refused to re-negotiate out of pride.

In his 1998 year he got paid $33,000,000-- adjusted for inflation it would be like a player today making $45,455,000.










As you guys were.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:facepalm

Why do I bother writing sometimes when people like you just keep talking and miss the points I made.

Feel free to break down the points I made and then make a reasonable argument why you think otherwise.

All you've done is ignore everything I've said about the max now and the max when the cap raises...

you've missed what I said with the 3 reasons for signing now. How about starting on those?

Max contract NOW over 5 years, not 1 committed year and a 2nd year option..

he took the 2 year deal with the 1 year opt because he wants the higher max 2 years from now...i suspect next off-season he'll opt out and sign another 2 year deal with a 1 year opt and then opt out again and go for the 5 year 180 mil or whatever it's gonna be...

[NumberSix]

:facepalm

Why do I bother writing sometimes when people like you just keep talking and miss the points I made.

Feel free to break down the points I made and then make a reasonable argument why you think otherwise.

All you've done is ignore everything I've said about the max now and the max when the cap raises...

you've missed what I said with the 3 reasons for signing now. How about starting on those?

Max contract NOW over 5 years, not 1 committed year and a 2nd year option..
Soooo.....

Taken a paycut is bad, unless LeBron doesn't then its taking the max that is bad, but only if LeBron doesn't take a paycut because if he does, that is now what it bad. Got it. :rolleyes:

[poido123]

How the **** am i reaching for "what ifs"? Can you read?

I asked a question (which you didn't answer)

and stated a fact (that he pretty much said he's retiring in CLE)...i can post the exact wording from the letter if you'd like...


Why should we believe lebron on a written letter, considering his other promises? Is that a contract or commitment? No.

The funny thing is you say he " pretty much" says he's staying and then proceed to suggest is as fact that he's staying.

Where is the 5 year commitment on paper? That's right IT DOESNT EXIST

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Why should we believe lebron on a written letter, considering his other promises? Is that a contract or commitment? No.

The funny thing is you say he " pretty much" says he's staying and then proceed to suggest is as fact that he's staying.

Where is the 5 year commitment on paper? That's right IT DOESNT EXIST

it's been explained 2 posts ago why he didnt sign a 5 year deal...

[NumberSix]

it's been explained 2 posts ago why he didnt sign a 5 year deal...
Don't waste your time. If LeBron had signed a 5 year deal, this idiot would now be arguing that 5 year contracts are bad and LeBron is a total jerk for signing 5 years.

[poido123]

Dirk took a pay cut in his prime....MJ in his prime made less than Charles Barkley...Pretty sure Duncan never had a max deal in his prime....Tom Brady has taken massive pay cuts...these guys aren't competitive athletes?

And: EVEN IF we accept your argument, you're still being illogical since LeBron is STILL in his prime...so what makes it ok to take a pay cut now?


I already answered your question. Do you really want to be treated like a baby and spell it out?

I said the right thing to do is to take the max now;

1. To show a proper commitment over 5 years or so

And 2. Not handicap the cavs flexibility by taking a big chunk of the cap later.

I said nothing about a pay cut you fcking moron.

[NumberSix]

I already answered your question. Do you really want to be treated like a baby and spell it out?

I said the right thing to do is to take the max now;

1. To show a proper commitment over 5 years or so

And 2. Not handicap the cavs flexibility by taking a big chunk of the cap later.

I said nothing about a pay cut you fcking moron.
Do they have pineapple soda in australia? And is Burger King really called Hungry Jacks? That always sounded made up to me.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I already answered your question. Do you really want to be treated like a baby and spell it out?

I said the right thing to do is to take the max now;

1. To show a proper commitment over 5 years or so

And 2. Not handicap the cavs flexibility by taking a big chunk of the cap later.

I said nothing about a pay cut you fcking moron.


:facepalm

Please tell me you're trolling

you just said something about taking what in essence is a paycut..."2. Not handicap the cavs flexibility by taking a big chunk of the cap later. " - would fundamentally would accomplish the same thing you were bitching about a month ago - lebron signed to a team for less than what he's worth allowing them to put out an artificially stacked team....


and once again you choose not to address certain portion of my posts like the part where i responded to your assertion that no competitive athlete has taken a pay cut in his prime....

off the top of my head:

Duncan
Dirk
Brady
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin


....all current athletes who've taken a cut in or near their primes...

[poido123]

it's been explained 2 posts ago why he didnt sign a 5 year deal...


And I explained to you why he should take the max now.

This isn't about more money he can make in 2 years. He came back to commit to Cleveland and fulfill his promise, and by showing that he will;

1. Sign a multi year contract now to show he wont run and not FCK over the future cap

And 2. Committing long term now makes him look a lot more sincere in his recruiting/trade demands, and not just for his own selfish short term desires ..

Until you can fully comprehend this, your argument is going nowhere.

[poido123]

:facepalm

Please tell me you're trolling

you just said something about taking what in essence is a paycut..."2. Not handicap the cavs flexibility by taking a big chunk of the cap later. " - would fundamentally would accomplish the same thing you were bitching about a month ago - lebron signed to a team for less than what he's worth allowing them to put out an artificially stacked team....


and once again you choose not to address certain portion of my posts like the part where i responded to your assertion that no competitive athlete has taken a pay cut in his prime....

off the top of my head:

Duncan
Dirk
Brady
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin


....all current athletes who've taken a cut in or near their primes...

Show me the figures for Duncan and dirks contracts and their respective age.

And then make an argument as to why its a "pay cut"

[poido123]

I know your argument is flawed when you're bringing up non-NBA contracts :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And I explained to you why he should take the max now.

This isn't about more money he can make in 2 years. He came back to commit to Cleveland and fulfill his promise, and by showing that he will;

1. Sign a multi year contract now to show he wont run and not FCK over the future cap

And 2. Committing long term now makes him look a lot more sincere in his recruiting/trade demands, and not just for his own selfish short term desires ..

Until you can fully comprehend this, your argument is going nowhere.

You keep talking about "Not fcking over the future cap" but that essentially means you want him to be playing for below his worth 2 years from now which is EXACTLY what you were bitching about a month ago....how is it any different?,,,

when he took that minor pay-cut in Miami it was specifically to "not fck over the future cap"...it's not any different..signing a 5 year deal now for the purposes of "not fcking over the future cap" would be the same thing..

as far as showing his commitment? Mike Miller just signed with the cavs for 3 years and kevin love is according to reports willing/wanting to play in CLEVELAND...clearly players around the league think he's committed.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Show me the figures for Duncan and dirks contracts and their respective age.

And then make an argument as to why its a "pay cut"

Duncan:

2000-01 San Antonio Spurs NBA $9,660,000
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs NBA $10,865,250
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs NBA $12,072,500
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs NBA $12,676,125
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs NBA $14,260,641
2005-06 San Antonio Spurs NBA $15,845,156

Dirk:

2003-04 Dallas Mavericks NBA $11,326,219
2004-05 Dallas Mavericks NBA $12,584,688
2005-06 Dallas Mavericks NBA $13,843,156
2006-07 Dallas Mavericks NBA $15,101,625
2007-08 Dallas Mavericks NBA $16,360,094
2008-09 Dallas Mavericks NBA $18,077,904
2009-10 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,795,714
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks NBA $17,278,618


I know your argument is flawed when you're bringing up non-NBA contracts :oldlol:
you're the one who used the phrase "competitive athlete" not me

[russwest0]

People need to make up their mind on why LeBron took 2 years.

It seems like the same people who say he did it to help the Cavs stay cap flexible and shit are the same people who say he's doing it to get as much money as physically possible in 2 years.

Those two don't work together. And the one year opt out clause counters all of this logic.

[poido123]

Duncan:

2000-01 San Antonio Spurs NBA $9,660,000
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs NBA $10,865,250
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs NBA $12,072,500
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs NBA $12,676,125
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs NBA $14,260,641
2005-06 San Antonio Spurs NBA $15,845,156

Dirk:

2003-04 Dallas Mavericks NBA $11,326,219
2004-05 Dallas Mavericks NBA $12,584,688
2005-06 Dallas Mavericks NBA $13,843,156
2006-07 Dallas Mavericks NBA $15,101,625
2007-08 Dallas Mavericks NBA $16,360,094
2008-09 Dallas Mavericks NBA $18,077,904
2009-10 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,795,714
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks NBA $17,278,618


you're the one who used the phrase "competitive athlete" not me


None of those are paycuts.

Too easy dude, you have ZERO argument.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

People need to make up their mind on why LeBron took 2 years.

It seems like the same people who say he did it to help the Cavs stay cap flexible and shit are the same people who say he's doing it to get as much money as physically possible in 2 years.

Those two don't work together. And the one year opt out clause counters all of this logic.

1. it's because he wants max money

2. one year opt is there because he'll opt out after this season and sign another 2 year max deal with a 1 year opt then opt out again when the tv contract comes in and sign his mega deal

[poido123]

People need to make up their mind on why LeBron took 2 years.

It seems like the same people who say he did it to help the Cavs stay cap flexible and shit are the same people who say he's doing it to get as much money as physically possible in 2 years.

Those two don't work together. And the one year opt out clause counters all of this logic.


Exactly.

If it was just about cashing in on the cap change, then why does he have a second year option?

Sincere my ass.

That TV deal isn't expected to change until the 2015-2016 season.

How greedy is this mofo?

Plus the renegotiation for a larger deal at the end of this year for another year...

[returnofthemack]

I already know. He purposely chose a 2 year contract to take advantage of the expected salary jump up to around 80 million ish I believe?

I don't know how I can start to compare rose and lebron. Lebron is due his money now, but chose a shorter time for a future windfall. Rose is currently serving out his contract and will be due the max again if he remains healthy.

Lebron is purposely ignoring a max contract now, to cash in once the new cap comes in. How does that help Cleveland's flexibility? Lebron deserves the max, but take it now and do the right thing for the organizations flexibility.

Rose comes off contract when the new cap comes in, so the comparison is futile.

Lebron is grossly underpaid by whatever team he suits up for. Even after the cap is bumped up he will be underpaid. Who even knows what his real value would be in a cap free nba? Love him or hate him it's his right to cash in after 2 years.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

None of those are paycuts.

Too easy dude, you have ZERO argument.

Those aren't paycuts but this is?
LeBron James:

2010-11 Miami Heat NBA $14,500,000
2011-12 Miami Heat NBA $16,022,500
2012-13 Miami Heat NBA $17,545,000
2013-14 Miami Heat NBA $19,067,500


Amar'e (signed max same year as bron signed his deal):

2010-11 New York Knicks NBA $16,486,611
2011-12 New York Knicks NBA $18,217,705
2012-13 New York Knicks NBA $19,948,799
2013-14 New York Knicks NBA $21,679,893


it's like a 2 mil per year difference...


KG's Contract during Duncan's span:

2000-01 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $19,610,000
2001-02 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $22,400,000
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $25,200,000
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $28,000,000
2004-05 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $16,000,000
2005-06 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $18,000,000


way more money....

I actually remember Duncan fans saying one of the reasons he was better than KG was because of his contract..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Exactly.

If it was just about cashing in on the cap change, then why does he have a second year option?

Sincere my ass.
i explained that 2 pages ago...

[poido123]

Those aren't paycuts but this is?
LeBron James:

2010-11 Miami Heat NBA $14,500,000
2011-12 Miami Heat NBA $16,022,500
2012-13 Miami Heat NBA $17,545,000
2013-14 Miami Heat NBA $19,067,500


Amar'e (signed max same year as bron signed his deal):

2010-11 New York Knicks NBA $16,486,611
2011-12 New York Knicks NBA $18,217,705
2012-13 New York Knicks NBA $19,948,799
2013-14 New York Knicks NBA $21,679,893


it's like a 2 mil per year difference...


KG's Contract during Duncan's span:

2000-01 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $19,610,000
2001-02 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $22,400,000
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $25,200,000
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $28,000,000
2004-05 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $16,000,000
2005-06 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $18,000,000


way more money....

I actually remember Duncan fans saying one of the reasons he was better than KG was because of his contract..

Some players get more some players get less. Your agent has a lot to do with it. It wasn't a diliberate move to gain an advantage over the competitors unless you have proof to show that Duncan or dirk took less to make a superteam, which they didn't.

No proof at all.

Just looks like a normal max contract to me? :rolleyes:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Some players get more some players get less. Your agent has a lot to do with it. It wasn't a diliberate move to gain an advantage over the competitors unless you have proof to show that Duncan or dirk took less to make a superteam, which they didn't.

No proof at all.

Just looks like a normal max contract to me? :rolleyes:

Here's the problem: In this thread you literally said that LeBron should do just that...sign a 5 year deal now leaving money on the table to form a "super team"...

..and yes Dirk did take less than what he could've gotten in 2010 for the betterment of the team(remember 2011 was his peak) he signed a 4 year 80 mil contract...Kobe took a 3 year 87 mill the same off-season

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What are these 3 reasons you were talking about in the other thread?

[poido123]

Here's the problem: In this thread you literally said that LeBron should do just that...sign a 5 year deal now leaving money on the table to form a "super team"...

..and yes Dirk did take less than what he could've gotten in 2010 for the betterment of the team(remember 2011 was his peak) for more help he signed a 4 year 80 mil contract...Kobe took a 3 year 87 mill the same off-season


No, read it again. I didn't say tom sign the max to make a superteam at all.

3 very clear reasons and I'm sorry, but you just don't get it.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No, read it again. I didn't say tom sign the max to make a superteam at all.

3 very clear reasons and I'm sorry, but you just don't get it.
What are they?

[poido123]

What are these 3 reasons you were talking about in the other thread?


Here's the problem right here.

I stated these reasons IN THIS THREAD.

If you can't pay attention and look over what I wrote, how are you supposed to make an argument?

[poido123]

Here's the problem: In this thread you literally said that LeBron should do just that...sign a 5 year deal now leaving money on the table to form a "super team"...

..and yes Dirk did take less than what he could've gotten in 2010 for the betterment of the team(remember 2011 was his peak) he signed a 4 year 80 mil contract...Kobe took a 3 year 87 mill the same off-season


And...dirk on the back end of his prime at 32 taking less is the same as lebron taking less at 27 and in his physical and mental prime with more years in his prime??

Not the same.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Here's the problem right here.

I stated these reasons IN THIS THREAD.

If you can't pay attention and look over what I wrote, how are you supposed to make an argument?
Take the max now and show the city you are;

1. Totally committed to Cleveland and not looking to handicap their cap flexibility in the future

2. Not giving any indication that you will get up and Leave again for greener pastures.

And 3. Gain the right to be GM of the team, since you are committed 100%

This post? First 2 points have been addressed multiple times...3rd point is irrelevant since according to you the cavs are already letting him influence their decision making process...

personally i don't care whether he takes a cut or not...it's irrelevant to me...all that matters to as it pertains to evaluating his career is his performance on the court...

this conversation isn't so much about whether he should take a pay cut or he shouldn't - it's about how much of a fcuking hypocrite you are...you are literally advocating that he do something you were seemingly vehemently against 1 month ago...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And...dirk on the back end of his prime at 32 taking less is the same as lebron taking less at 27 and in his physical and mental prime with more years in his prime??

Not the same.
Dirk was still very much "prime" in 2010...age doesn't matter it's a level of play thing

[poido123]

Dirk was still very much "prime" in 2010...age doesn't matter it's a level of play thing


See this is the point of difference we can't overcome.

My argument is age of a players prime, because that includes their physical peak. You're arguing stat production which I don't agree with.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

See this is the point of difference we can't overcome.

My argument is age of a players prime, because that includes their physical peak. You're arguing stat production which I don't agree with.

I'm talking about ability to play basketball not "stat production"...

[poido123]

Take the max now and show the city you are;

1. Totally committed to Cleveland and not looking to handicap their cap flexibility in the future

2. Not giving any indication that you will get up and Leave again for greener pastures.

And 3. Gain the right to be GM of the team, since you are committed 100%

This post? First 2 points have been addressed multiple times...3rd point is irrelevant since according to you the cavs are already letting him influence their decision making process...

personally i don't care whether he takes a cut or not...it's irrelevant to me...all that matters to as it pertains to evaluating his career is his performance on the court...

this conversation isn't so much about whether he should take a pay cut or he shouldn't - it's about how much of a fcuking hypocrite you are...you are literally advocating that he do something you were seemingly vehemently against 1 month ago...

No, not at all.

I've made a clear distinction between a players motives/selfishness and taking a pay cut to gain advantage in their physical and mental prime(the heat situation).

Then ive explained why signing a max in this current cave situation is the right thing to do.

In both circumstances, lebron has looked after number one. His motivation to go back to cleveland was about money, control and fleeing to a better situation and in turn, boost his image.

[poido123]

I'm talking about ability to play basketball not "stat production"...


We won't get anywhere if you don't understand "physical peak" in an age to prime discussion.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I've made a clear distinction between a players motives/selfishness and taking a pay cut to gain advantage in their physical and mental prime(the heat situation).


No...you haven't...him signing a 5 year max is the equivalent to taking a cut


Then ive explained why signing a max in this current cave situation is the right thing to do.

Yes and your explanation is largely based on "cap relief" and "recruiting players"...stuff you bitched about incessantly when he was with the Heat


In both circumstances, lebron has looked after number one. His motivation to go back to cleveland was about money, control and fleeing to a better situation and in turn, boost his image.

every single player looks out for themselves first...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

We won't get anywhere if you don't understand "physical peak" in an age to prime discussion.

so now we go from prime to "physical peak"...how many more qualifiers you gonna put in? :oldlol:

Hakeem olajuwon/steve nash and plenty of other players have hit their prime past their "physical peak"..

[poido123]

so now we go from prime to "physical peak"...how many more qualifiers you gonna put in? :oldlol:

Hakeem olajuwon/steve nash and plenty of other players have hit their prime past their "physical peak"..


They are the exceptions, what about what most people perceive to be a players prime?

26-32

[RoundMoundOfReb]

They are the exceptions, what about what most people perceive to be a players prime?

26-32
Doesn't matter what perception is when i give you a real life example like Dirk...who as an established fact was in his "prime" in 2010

[FPJ]

:biggums:

Poido, go sleep it off, come back tomorrow and maybe you'll understand better what you actually wrote and what you think you wrote. Today's presentation is slightly embarrassing.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Also if 26-32 is your criteria then Duncan took a pay cut in 2007 still in his "prime" of about 6.5 million as a matter of fact...which is much more than lebron took

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/duncan-less-maximum-salary-034600085--nba.html

[smoovegittar]

That he wants to overhaul the team by offloading their young talent and gathering former teammates to play with him?

On top of that, he commits to 1 year with a second year option. If he is so adamant about helping this team, why not just commit to the max now over 4 or 5 years? And once the new cap comes in, he allows for more cap space so the management can sign other good players around him..

That humble, gracious and wonderful guy...where does the media narrative make sense here.

It doesn't.

I'm so surprised......................................... ..............not.

[ArbitraryWater]

That he wants to overhaul the team by offloading their young talent and gathering former teammates to play with him?

On top of that, he commits to 1 year with a second year option. If he is so adamant about helping this team, why not just commit to the max now over 4 or 5 years? And once the new cap comes in, he allows for more cap space so the management can sign other good players around him..

That humble, gracious and wonderful guy...where does the media narrative make sense here.

It doesn't.

And this is a bad thing, why, again? :lol

Damn, LeBron wants the team to be better next year? What a selfish egoistical douchebag... f*ck that guy

[poido123]

Seriously, what is it about you guys protecting these divas like its your duty?

Im genuinely concerned there are people in our society who are so blinded and brainwashed by lebrons intentions or bullshit.

There was a time that I liked this guy.

I don't hate Kareem
I don't hate Russell
I dont hate shaq
i don't hate bird

Why is it about this guy that I continuously have to call him out?

If it was just a threat thing to Mj, then why don't I feel threatened by anyone else?

You guys just think I have it in for this guy, I just don't believe this guy is sincere or have good basketball ethics. Imake point of it, yet I find all these c.cksuckers who defend selfish actions?

I'm too tired to argue with roundmound anymore, you've worn me out.

You have a clear lebron agenda, I've known you to defend him at every opportunity.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's not about defending LeBron anymore, it's about defending common sense with irrational posters like you around.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Seriously, what is it about you guys protecting these divas like its your duty?

Im genuinely concerned there are people in our society who are so blinded and brainwashed by lebrons intentions or bullshit.

There was a time that I liked this guy.

I don't hate Kareem
I don't hate Russell
I dont hate shaq
i don't hate bird

Why is it about this guy that I continuously have to call him out?

If it was just a threat thing to Mj, then why don't I feel threatened by anyone else?

You guys just think I have it in for this guy, I just don't believe this guy is sincere or have good basketball ethics. Imake point of it, yet I find all these c.cksuckers who defend selfish actions?

I'm too tired to argue with roundmound anymore, you've worn me out.

You have a clear lebron agenda, I've known you to defend him at every opportunity.

Once again a post thats not really about anything...no points brought up....

I generally defend lebron because morons like you will bring up the dumbest shit to criticize him for....shit that you'd probably applaud another player for doing (like taking a pay cut)...It's just irrational...find me one post of me defending lebron where im being inconsistent...find me one post of me not making sense....It's not even really about LeBron....I don't care if you think its wrong for him to take a pay cut or make maximum money or whatever....its about how ridiculously biased and nonsensical you are..

[poido123]

Also if 26-32 is your criteria then Duncan took a pay cut in 2007 still in his "prime" of about 6.5 million as a matter of fact...which is much more than lebron took

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/duncan-less-maximum-salary-034600085--nba.html


I don't know what you're reading, but he took a slightly reduced 40 million 2 year deal at the age of 31, that would take effect AFTER his current contract at the time, and would be 34 before the extension took effect.

Did you think I wouldn't read this?

34 being outside of his prime, nice try.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I don't know what you're reading, but he took a slightly reduced 40 million 2 year deal at the age of 31, that would take effect AFTER his current contract at the time, and would be 34 before the extension took effect.

Did you think I wouldn't read this?

34 being outside of his prime, nice try.
Actually he would be 32 I believe it kicks in 2008..

[poido123]

Actually he would be 32 I believe it kicks in 2008..

Nope it kicks in his last year of that current contract at 33 years of age, but that's if you really want to be technical about it.

The actual extension occurs when he's 34


Wrong again asswipe.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nope it kicks in his last year of that current contract at 33 years of age, but that's if you really want to be technical about it.

The actual extension occurs when he's 34


Wrong again asswipe.

okay i was wrong on that one...do you really want me to list all the players who took pay-cuts 26-32?

[poido123]

okay i was wrong on that one...do you really want me to list all the players who took pay-cuts 26-32?

Well your whole argument sat on dirk and Duncan, which were the two players I pointed out to be good guys.

When discussing this, you are taking into consideration that every situation is different.

Lebron(the best player in the league) needs to be compared to his status to be a fair comparison. Dirk and Duncan are not quite in line for comparison, but I could give it credit.

[Sarcastic]

Lebron is pretty much kicking the tires this year. If this year goes well, he will ask for a massive salary increase with the new TV deal contract. If it doesn't go well this year, he will say he gave it his all, but the ownership didn't have the same objectives as he does, and take his talents elsewhere.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Well your whole argument sat on dirk and Duncan, which were the two players I pointed out to be good guys.

When discussing this, you are taking into consideration that every situation is different.

Lebron(the best player in the league) needs to be compared to his status to be a fair comparison. Dirk and Duncan are not quite in line for comparison, but I could give it credit.
well i already proved dirk took a pay-cut in his prime...and a MASSIVE on this year... duncan took one at 34 past prime (when he could've gotten max dollars)...Wade took one in his prime...carmelo took one in his prime....bosh took one...

As far as "Lebron(the best player in the league) needs to be compared to his status to be a fair comparison"...how many players have been on that level since the CBA has looked similar to how it does now? how the hell am i supposed to do that?

If you wanna talk players who were underpaid relative to the rest of the league in their prime then I could list a hell of a lot of legends...

[poido123]

Lebron is pretty much kicking the tires this year. If this year goes well, he will ask for a massive salary increase with the new TV deal contract. If it doesn't go well this year, he will say he gave it his all, but the ownership didn't have the same objectives as he does, and take his talents elsewhere.


:rockon:

We have a winner!

A man with a brain :applause:

Lebrons PR people are smart mofos who know how to work the public, media and the idiots here on ISH.

Sick of people who always bury their head in the sand and buy the narrative.

[poido123]

well i already proved dirk took a pay-cut in his prime...and a MASSIVE on this year... duncan took one at 34 past prime (when he could've gotten max dollars)...Wade took one in his prime...carmelo took one in his prime....bosh took one...

As far as "Lebron(the best player in the league) needs to be compared to his status to be a fair comparison"...how many players have been on that level since the CBA has looked similar to how it does now? how the hell am i supposed to do that?

If you wanna talk players who were underpaid relative to the rest of the league in their prime then I could list a hell of a lot of legends...

Both Duncan and dirk never did such a thing. Unless you want to count 1 year on the back of dirks true prime, but then you are clutching :no:

Again, lebron did it at 27. That is not even close to acceptable.

[Magic731]

Lebron is pretty much kicking the tires this year. If this year goes well, he will ask for a massive salary increase with the new TV deal contract. If it doesn't go well this year, he will say he gave it his all, but the ownership didn't have the same objectives as he does, and take his talents elsewhere.
Surely Lebron won't leave Cleveland again that soon unless something catastrophic that we have never seen before happens. If he were to leave Cleveland in the next two years his legacy would be damaged beyond repair.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:rockon:

We have a winner!

A man with a brain :applause:

Lebrons PR people are smart mofos who know how to work the public, media and the idiots here on ISH.

Sick of people who always bury their head in the sand and buy the narrative.
if this is true then there's no way he's leaving...it would destroy his image completely...would be a PR nightmare

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Surely Lebron won't leave Cleveland again that soon unless something catastrophic that we have never seen before happens. If he were to leave Cleveland in the next two years his legacy would be damaged beyond repair.
exactly...there is no reason to leave cleveland....doesnt help his image, his brand, his legacy, his pockets...nothing

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Both Duncan and dirk never did such a thing. Unless you want to count 1 year on the back of dirks true prime, but then you are clutching :no:

Again, lebron did it at 27. That is not even close to acceptable.

actually he was 25 (not fitting your 26-32 age group) :roll:

[Sarcastic]

Surely Lebron won't leave Cleveland again that soon unless something catastrophic that we have never seen before happens. If he were to leave Cleveland in the next two years his legacy would be damaged beyond repair.


No it wouldn't. He's a basketball player. He can go play basketball wherever he damn well feels like.


Take a step back, and have some perspective. It's just sports entertainment.

[NumberSix]

Pedo making great points.

[Magic731]

No it wouldn't. He's a basketball player. He can go play basketball wherever he damn well feels like.


Take a step back, and have some perspective. It's just sports entertainment.
Obviously he can play where he pleases. That's the point of free agency. But you don't think the media would have a field day if he bailed on them again in the next two years? Some people care about this stuff. They care about how they are remembered after they're gone. Cleveland being his home I seriously doubt he wants to do the dirty on them twice.

[Sarcastic]

Let's just say hypothetically:
1 his game doesn't mesh with Kyrie
2 trade is not made, and Wiggins doesn't pan out this year
3 Gilbert doesn't want to commit ~$30 million/year or more to him, after he opts out

Do you really think he is gonna stay, if another team comes in next year, and offers him the money he is looking for?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

There is no way Gilbert is not offering him the max...but that is literally the only way he leaves and doesnt look like a moron...0.0001 percent chance of it happening though

[LBJFTW]

Doesn't the black guy already have a connect 4. This photo is whack.:coleman:

They are playing 2 connect 4's to win. Not the standard rules that you use to play with your grandpa where he'd always let you win to make you feel better.

[Magic731]

Let's just say hypothetically:
1 his game doesn't mesh with Kyrie
2 trade is not made, and Wiggins doesn't pan out this year
3 Gilbert doesn't want to commit ~$30 million/year or more to him, after he opts out

Do you really think he is gonna stay, if another team comes in next year, and offers him the money he is looking for?
Lebron said in his SI letter that this is a work in progress and not to expect championships immediately. If he left that soon it would be a really bad look and would fly in the face of everything he wrote in that letter.

Now if he isn't offered the max and another team does, i could slightly understand that. But really, does anyone think Cavs won't give him max when this short contract is up?

[poido123]

actually he was 25 (not fitting your 26-32 age group) :roll:

Except that he played for 4 years mostly in his prime. You were pointing out Duncan and dirk on the back side of their primes.

Youre clutching :lol

[poido123]

Let's just say hypothetically:
1 his game doesn't mesh with Kyrie
2 trade is not made, and Wiggins doesn't pan out this year
3 Gilbert doesn't want to commit ~$30 million/year or more to him, after he opts out

Do you really think he is gonna stay, if another team comes in next year, and offers him the money he is looking for?


That's why this 2 year with a 2nd year option is such a b.tch move.

The worse case scenario will likely not happen, however it begs the question to how committed he is...

Would he stay NO MATTER WHAT?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Except that he played for 4 years mostly in his prime. You were pointing out Duncan and dirk on the back side of their primes.

Youre clutching :lol
You're the one who came up with this idiotic 26-32 crap

[poido123]

You're the one who came up with this idiotic 26-32 crap

Its a rough guage of a players physical prime. Do we really need to argue this? :lol

[ILLsmak]

That he wants to overhaul the team by offloading their young talent and gathering former teammates to play with him?

On top of that, he commits to 1 year with a second year option. If he is so adamant about helping this team, why not just commit to the max now over 4 or 5 years? And once the new cap comes in, he allows for more cap space so the management can sign other good players around him..

That humble, gracious and wonderful guy...where does the media narrative make sense here.

It doesn't.

Bron 3:16.

-Smak

[Sarcastic]

Lebron said in his SI letter that this is a work in progress and not to expect championships immediately. If he left that soon it would be a really bad look and would fly in the face of everything he wrote in that letter.

Now if he isn't offered the max and another team does, i could slightly understand that. But really, does anyone think Cavs won't give him max when this short contract is up?


He also said he would bring a title to Cleveland, then proceeded to go to Miami.

He also said he would win not 3, not 4, not 5, etc, in Miami, then proceeded to go back to Cleveland.

[Magic731]

He also said he would bring a title to Cleveland, then proceeded to go to Miami.

He also said he would win not 3, not 4, not 5, etc, in Miami, then proceeded to go back to Cleveland.
So you don't think if he were to go against his word yet again it would tarnish his legacy even more? Or are you of the opinion that it is already badly damaged?

[poido123]

Bron 3:16.

-Smak


:oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

So you don't think if he were to go against his word yet again it would tarnish his legacy even more? Or are you of the opinion that it is already badly damaged?

His legacy/reputation will be fine as long as he keeps on winning titles.

[poido123]

He also said he would bring a title to Cleveland, then proceeded to go to Miami.

He also said he would win not 3, not 4, not 5, etc, in Miami, then proceeded to go back to Cleveland.


Which is why the bullshit letter seems like nothing to me.

I want to see you take the risk lebron, not let your teammates and hometown worry that you're gonnanleave again...

[Magic731]

Which is why the bullshit letter seems like nothing to me.

I want to see you take the risk lebron, not let your teammates and hometown worry that you're gonnanleave again...
Yes at this stage words are doing nothing for Lebron he has to go out and do. At the end of the day though if he wins a chip in the next few years he will have delivered on his original promise of taking Cleveland to the promised land.

[poido123]

Yes at this stage words are doing nothing for Lebron he has to go out and do. At the end of the day though if he wins a chip in the next few years he will have delivered on his original promise of taking Cleveland to the promised land.


Sign the contract you greedy p.ssy :oldlol:

He wants the love and adoration, but doesn't want to commit right away long term, and if its about waiting for the big money, then how genuine is motive for coming back to Cleveland?

On top of not committing long term, he wants to play the team GM.

FCK this guy

[Magic731]

Sign the contract you greedy p.ssy :oldlol:

He wants the love and adoration, but doesn't want to commit right away long term, and if its about waiting for the big money, then how genuine is motive for coming back to Cleveland?

On top of not committing long term, he wants to play the team GM.

FCK this guy
I don't really have a problem with Lebron waiting to sign the max contract. As well as a basketball player he is also a business man and it's in his best interests to make as much money as possible. I fully believe that unless something extreme happens he will finish his career in Cleveland. He's only doing it to maximise his earnings which is something I cannot knock.

[poido123]

I don't really have a problem with Lebron waiting to sign the max contract. As well as a basketball player he is also a business man and it's in his best interests to make as much money as possible. I fully believe that unless something extreme happens he will finish his career in Cleveland. He's only doing it to maximise his earnings which is something I cannot knock.


How many millions do you need?

He likely has at least half a billion now.

I believe under MOST CONDITIONS he will stay, however if enough things go wrong, I could see him pack his bags again.

A serious injury to kyrie in the second year, and not winning a title this season and I wonder what he does then...

[LBJ 23]

This thread makes no sense.

Posters like OP who don't really like Lebron were saying that he came back just because of the image and bussines aspect. That him and his family honestly wanting to come home and do the right thing is just a smoke screen for the public.

So it doesn't make sense to claim that he came back just to repair his image and at the same time say that he will bolt after 2 years if things go wrong when in that case he could just shoot himself since his image would be forever destroyed.

Coming back home to atleast a little repair the damage from The Decision and then bolting out again when things go wrong? That would be 10x times worse that Decision itself. So if that letter he wrote and everything he did till now was just a smoke screen for the public to be loved again and to raise his image on the next level , do you really believe that Lebron and his PR team are so stupid to completely destroy all that after 2 years if things go wrong? Don't you think they thought about this before he came back?

I'm pretty confident he's staying in Cleveland for good and retiring there.

[Magic731]

How many millions do you need?

He likely has at least half a billion now.

I believe under MOST CONDITIONS he will stay, however if enough things go wrong, I could see him pack his bags again.

A serious injury to kyrie in the second year, and not winning a title this season and I wonder what he does then...
The rich always want more. That's largely the reason they get so rich in the first place. Most people could earn a few million and be content but their relentless attitude to go after every dollar they possibly can is why they have so much. I believe this short contract is only due to money and even Lebron knows that without extreme circumstances he will be at Cleveland for the rest of his career.

[poido123]

The rich always want more. That's largely the reason they get so rich in the first place. Most people could earn a few million and be content but their relentless attitude to go after every dollar they possibly can is why they have so much. I believe this short contract is only due to money and even Lebron knows that without extreme circumstances he will be at Cleveland for the rest of his career.


Sounds reasonable. Good points.

[ralph_i_el]

Its just pure selfishness and greed.
I've found that people who complain that others are greedy usually are worthless losers with no chance of being sucessful on their own.


Lebron is not just a baller he's a business man. Why would he give up all his leverage by signing a 5 year deal? He knows he'll be worth the max in 3 years so why lock himself in? Just so whiny bitches on the internet will be satisfied? If I was the most important employee at my company I'd use that barganing power too.

The only players that need long term deals are the ones who:
A. Haven't earned enough money to be comfortable
B. Are worried they won't be worth the money in the later years of the deal


It would make 0 sense for LeBron to lock in a 4-5 year deal ANYWHERE. Give it a rest folks, none of you are saying anything new.


Facts are, there were way better situations for Bron to go to if he was leaving Miami. He chose to go the Cleveland.

[pegasus]

His actions speak much louder than his PR written BS letter.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Its a rough guage of a players physical prime. Do we really need to argue this? :lol
it's also rough to gauge a player's overall prime. do we really need to argue this? :oldlol:


and even if we accept your prime argument:


Lebron does everything within the rules, but that isn't what I was questioning here..

I just wish that the best player in the game and the ambassador for the sport would do things that were genuinely thoughtful and not just with his own interests in mind all the time.

That's what used to bug me about Jordan after he retired, it was all about him and how much money he can make. He even sued a local shop for using one of his slogans to promote a product, that stuff can be let go otherwise its comes across really crass.

I do not support athletes who are either greedy or putting themselves before their teammates.

Guys like dirk and Duncan you can clearly see that they are thankful for what they have and will sacrifice money and accolades for the betterment of the team.

You're bitching about LeBron wanting to much money NOW...in his PRIME...

[FLDFSU]

Why has the OP gone from making a Heat thread every day to making a Cavs one every day?

I thought he said that the Heat and Bulls were big rivals?

[Mr. Incredible]

I could never take your lover boy away. He has enough leeches.
And you are the fattest one.

[Optimus Prime]

LeBron's contract lines up for when the new TV deal should be in effect, which will probably mean a big jump in the salary cap and perhaps player salaries as well. I thought everybody knew this? :facepalm

I'd be shocked if LeBron left Cleveland again during his career. After The Decision and The Return, I just can't see it happening. Even ESPN talking heads would be hard-pressed to defend leaving Cleveland again after everything that has happened.

And if you are 30, wanting to win a ring for your hometown city/state, and tired of carrying a huge burden every year, then it's only common sense that you push to get a player of Kevin Love's caliber. LeBron carried that Heat team on his back all year last year. Maybe to the detriment of Bosh, but it's not like Bosh stepped up when afforded the opportunity. Wade was, of course, a non-factor and a shell of a player.

Despite all the "stat padder LOL!" babble, Kevin Love is a star. Put him next to LeBron...forget about it. :kobe:

The East would be on lockdown for as long as LeBron remains in his prime if the Cavs team him up with Love. Wiggins might end up great, someday, but I'd take the known commodity over the unknown any day.

[SteelerKobeFan]

Poido,

Sorry in advance for the long post...I don't post much, but i wanted to reply to this. There are plenty of people discussing this very same thing....just not on ISH. I don't blame Lebron for maximizing his earning potential nor do I blame him for returning to Cleveland (except i dont see how you return to those fans. They are nuts singing we are LeBron, congregating on his property, acting like he wasn't allowed to leave in the first place, etc.) However, I think he likes being worshipped.

Anyway, there is plenty of smoke out there to suggest that LeBron's intentions to return to Cleveland are less noble than what was stated in the letter. He does love Akron and likely wants to help kids in the region. But By many accounts, he was unhappy in Miami b/c he didn't have the same level of control or influence on the Heat organization that he did in Cleveland (which he did not like, see miller amnesty as one example). Also the expectations and pressure to win was higher with Miami. (He left Cleveland originally to escape the pressure of carrying an entire region on his back). So he realized that returning to Cleveland would relieve pressure, the roster was up and coming and Dan Gilbert/cavs would do anything he wanted. Always has. That was why Dan was so mad in his letter. So returning to Cleveland was a no brainer. It was a done deal long before the LeSilence occurred.

No I'm no insider, but Living in western PA, being the same age as LeBron and partying in Ohio with some of the same people Bron is cool with, I've learned a few things. But the letter was PR perfection. The media ran with it and most people are happy enough to take what they see at face value and not question it further. Its a feel good story and... it makes everyone turn a blind eye on how Miami got fvcked over on his way out. Lol. Genius.