Is Nas The Most OVERRATED Rapper Ever?

[NumberSix]

I would say yes.

[Graviton]

I would say Jay Z is.

[East_Stone_Ya]

no, he isn't

imo it's jay-z or 2pac

[Smook A.]

Lil Wayne & Jay Z are

Lil Wayne is pure garbage. I'd rather be deaf for the rest of my life than listen to this piece of shit human. His lyrics, rhymes, hair, tattoos, teeth and everything other thing you can think about him are shit. He sounds super stoned whenever he raps. Don't know why he even has fans

And Jay Z. He's a good rapper, just not "great" like most fans say he is.

[KobesFinger]

2Pac and Eminem. Not to say they aren't good. But people act like 2Pac was from the future or some shit, and Eminem has been shit for the last 10 or so years IMO

[plowking]

How is Nas the most overrated over someone like Jay-Z for example?

No one talks about Nas anymore, nor hypes him up. Jay-Z on the other hand is still around and people still talk about him like he's decent. Dude wrecks just about every song he's on these days. He ruined "Drunk in Love" with his shit verse.

[That_Admiral]

I don't think i've ever heard anyone in my life say he is overrated till now. If you want to know who's overrated its Tupac or Jay-Z

[plowking]

I don't think i've ever heard anyone in my life say he is overrated till now. If you want to know who's overrated its Tupac or Jay-Z

2Pac? He never straight up ruined songs like Jay.

[That_Admiral]

no he didn't, but so many consider Tupac the G.O.A.T and from what I've heard I would readily disagree, he is not on the lyrical level as many other rappers. But saying that I still like tupac haha, just not in my top 5.

[Graviton]

no he didn't, but so many consider Tupac the G.O.A.T and from what I've heard I would readily disagree, he is not on the lyrical level as many other rappers. But saying that I still like tupac haha, just not in my top 5.
He may not be GOAT based on lyrical level, but his impact and the mark on the industry alone makes him a prime candidate. When you look at his legacy and everyone he influenced, it's hard to deny.

[NumberSix]

no he didn't, but so many consider Tupac the G.O.A.T and from what I've heard I would readily disagree, he is not on the lyrical level as many other rappers. But saying that I still like tupac haha, just not in my top 5.
Well, it would depend what you mean by "lyrical". I hear it frequently used to describe nonsensical rambling about nothing but some idiot is like "OMG, dat's fcukin' brilliant yo because he rhymed 2 syllables at the end of the bar an a mid-bar rhyme to. Dat's so sick yo". I'm usually like "really? You think that's brilliant? That idiot rapping about ice cream cones and a bad bitch with a nice ring tone? That's fcuking stupid".

[That_Admiral]

Well, it would depend what you mean by "lyrical". I hear it frequently used to describe nonsensical rambling about nothing but some idiot is like "OMG, dat's fcukin' brilliant yo because he rhymed 2 syllables at the end of the bar an a mid-bar rhyme to. Dat's so sick yo". I'm usually like "really? You think that's brilliant? That idiot rapping about ice cream cones and a bad bitch with a nice ring tone? That's fcuking stupid".

hahah, that sounds like something lil wayne would rap about.

but i'll give you an example of what i mean:
"Timeless, so age don't count in the booth
When your flow stay submerged in the fountain of youth" - Rakim

it's got more meaning than just booth rhyming with youth

[Rocketswin2013]

Kanye.

[That_Admiral]

I think we should judge rappers based on their primes/peak, similar to the NBA. Declines in music can last a long ass time cuz they can take long breaks, return. Sure Em has been a decline for the past 6 or 7 years but his prime between 1999-2005 is easily one of the greatest. His peak 1999-03 is prob GOAT.

Even when Em was a feature artist, he outshined all the main rappers. Dead Wrong (Biggie), Forgot About Dre(Dr. Dre), Patiently Waiting(50 Cent), Renegade (Jay-Z)....

Em outperformed all of those dudes! That's how great Em's peak was.

One guy who is definitely overrated is Jay-Z. Which years did he rule the rap world? How many of his albums are considered Top 10 All-time?

Exactly. Would you not consider Reasonable Doubt to be a top 10 album? and can I ask you what your top 5/10 albums are?

[That_Admiral]

The black album is a really good album. Not top 10, but pretty underrated.
yeah it was good; black album, the blueprint and reasonable doubt

[That_Admiral]

As a casual fan of hip-hop, I don't really have enough depth or knowledge to list a Top 5/10, so my opinion would be more based on cultural impact of how the artist did during his prime/peak. I can only give Jay-Z for his longevity, can't think of any year or any era he dominated.

Off my head....Enter The 36 Chamber, The Infamous Mobb Deep, Illmatic, It Was Written, are my fav four...a couple of those are def in most people Top 10/25 list.

I'm actually not a fan of Em but I respect his game and how great his 1999-03 period was. Besides the NYC '93-'96 era, I like the Beasties, Tribe Called Quest, Deltron/Del the Homosapien, Handsome Boy Modeling School type of hip-hop. Alternative hip-hop, I guess...and those groups/artists don't talk about the hood much, not serious about it, they just rap about general shit.
Oh thats allgood, i listen to a bit of tribe called quest. real question though, what album do you like more the low end theory or midnight marauders?

[thefatmiral]

eminem is.

[Draz]

Definitely 2pac

[sweggeh]

Look at the hoes hes bangin these days...

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[riseagainst]

Nas is the greatest, best, most legendary rapper of all time. Not overrated at all.

[ducktape]

yes. he copied the rapping styles of kool g rap and rakim.

[BRabbiT]

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[NumberSix]

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Does anybody actually think lil Wayne is like, good though?

[Just2McFly]

2Pac? He never straight up ruined songs like Jay.
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[ArbitraryWater]

Jay Z, no contest.

[Kblaze8855]

Jay is if anything underrated to me. Too many people acting like hes nothing special. You listen to the word play on the last two verses of already home and tell me he isn't a great rapper I need to add you to my mental ignore list.

[Just2McFly]

Jay is if anything underrated to me. Too many people acting like hes nothing special. You listen to the word play on the last two verses of already home and tell me he isn't a great rapper I need to add you to my mental ignore list.
He is great, but dude has gotten LAZY since BP3.... the last great Jay verse to me was probably Murder to Excellence and Primetime off Watch the Throne.

I'm not going to lie though, there are songs on BP3 that make me cry because I would kill to be that good at putting words together.

Already Home, that verse one Thank you... he's amazing but he's shit out some lazy ass verses lately and there is no justification for the shit he's putting out recently.

Meanwhile Nas is schooling all of the young cats on every single feature he's done since like 08.

[Kblaze8855]

Nas had his lazy point mid career. Oochie Wally wally hurt.

He has been killing it the last few years though. One of the most reliable features ever really. Looking at shit like the Carter interlude/outro....Let Nas Down...hes coming up on the likes of Big Pun far as someone who hops on your track and kills it.

[Nowitness]

Kanye.

Greatest hip-hop artist ever, mediocre rapper.

[christian1923]

Does anybody actually think lil Wayne is like, good though?
In his prime he was one of the best

[Nowitness]

As Wayne once said;

I'm a one-seven scholar, I son(sun) y'all boys, y'all all Kevin Johnsons. You see(UC) me, with my Marbury posture, I don't play ball, I point guard every dollar.

[BigBoss]

I'd say Eminem. Half of his songs are garbage, yet he's won the most grammy, sold the most records, and has had a huge influence on pop culture.

" my MOM takes valium and lots of drugs! thats why i am , yeah i am, im just like her"

[Legends66NBA7]

Jay-Z is the most overrated, followed by Kanye West.

[guy]

Eminem, Jay-Z, and Lil Wayne to me.

I really don't see anything special about Lil Wayne, especially putting him up there with the likes of the greatest. Shit, dude's voice makes me cringe sometimes.

Eminem is as talented as they come and he's still an all-time great but half his catalog is literally garbage and the other half doesn't have an Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die, etc. type album to partially make up for that. Encore is literally one of the worst hip hop albums ever made. He gets way too much credit for being deep when it comes to his family/life issues, yet there's plenty of rappers out there that have been just as deep when it comes to that. And some of that subject matter of Eminem's, specifically about his mom, ex-wife, and daughter, is so overdone it comes across as whining to me. His mainstream popularity mainly comes from the fact that he's a marketing genius that capitalized on the typical teenage whiteboy demographic with his incredibly corny singles, rebellion against his family, pop-star beefs, and just the skinny white blonde look. Don't get me wrong though, he's still an amazing MC. He's had some of the best verses I've ever heard, especially his older stuff (late 90s/early 00s).

Jay-Z is an all-time great as well but he's been garbage for like the last 10 years as well. That's the only reason I really call him overrated. He's a marketing genius as well though with his numerous gimmicks like his retirement and then multiple comebacks, proclaiming himself the Jordan of rap, etc. I think a lot of the perception of his greatness as a rapper is greater then it should be because of his incredible success in other ventures, which really no rapper comes close to. So its almost like blasphemy to say anything Jay-Z does nowadays isn't the greatest thing ever.

[KendrickPerkins]

Remember when Wayne was once considered the Greatest Rapper Alive? :oldlol:

There's your answer.

[Just2McFly]

Nas had his lazy point mid career. Oochie Wally wally hurt.

He has been killing it the last few years though. One of the most reliable features ever really. Looking at shit like the Carter interlude/outro....Let Nas Down...hes coming up on the likes of Big Pun far as someone who hops on your track and kills it.

that is true, and jay woke him out of his slumber, guess jay needs that adversary to challenge him again

[Legends66NBA7]

Remember when Wayne was once considered the Greatest Rapper Alive? :oldlol:

There's your answer.

Only Wayne called himself that and he stole a verse from Jay-Z to promote himself.

How fitting, both are overrated.

[Kblaze8855]

Jay-Z is an all-time great as well but he's been garbage for like the last 10 years as well.


American gangster and BP3....garbage rapping?

Id say his worst music was like 97-2000. The dumb down for my audience to double his dollars days.

Where all my ****** with the rubber grips, bust shots?
And if you with me, ma, I rub on your tits, and what not
I'm from the school of the hard knocks, we must not
Let outsiders violate our blocks, and my plot
Let's stick up the world and split it fifty-fifty
Let's take the dough and stay real jiggy
And sip the cris' and get pissy pissy
Flow infinitely like the memory of my ***** biggie, baby
You know it's hell when I come through
The life and times of Shawn Carter
***** Volume 2, y'all ****** get ready


Jay was on some simple bullshit for a while there.

[navy]

How can Jay Z and Wayne be overrated when they get nothing but hate on?

[navy]

American gangster and BP3....garbage rapping?

Id say his worst music was like 97-2000. The dumb down for my audience to double his dollars days.

He's was off for like 2005-2010ish. I've like his newer stuff. Didnt like AG or BP3 that much.

Wayne was hot until around 2010 ish. His mixtapes were straight fire and anyone denying it is either lying or didnt hear them. He definitely fell off though. Now people act like he was never good. :oldlol:

[casual_fan]

American gangster and BP3....garbage rapping?

Id say his worst music was like 97-2000. The dumb down for my audience to double his dollars days.

Where all my ****** with the rubber grips, bust shots?
And if you with me, ma, I rub on your tits, and what not
I'm from the school of the hard knocks, we must not
Let outsiders violate our blocks, and my plot
Let's stick up the world and split it fifty-fifty
Let's take the dough and stay real jiggy
And sip the cris' and get pissy pissy
Flow infinitely like the memory of my ***** biggie, baby
You know it's hell when I come through
The life and times of Shawn Carter
***** Volume 2, y'all ****** get ready


Jay was on some simple bullshit for a while there.


Blueprint 3 had so many cheesy tracks and on american gangster he sounded lazy as hell.

But between 97 and 2000 he put out great music. The dynasity is such an underrated album : epic intro, soon you understand, i just wanna love you.... the list goes on and on. I can

[atljonesbro]

Tupac is mediocre as hell. He's absurdly overrated. He isn't even in the realm of GOAT tier. Not even close.

Jay-Z and Kanye fall under the same category. Both pretty simplistic lyrically but super overhyped.

[~primetime~]

How can Jay Z and Wayne be overrated when they get nothing but hate on?
Wayne is actually underrated for this reason IMO...every time his name comes up it is to express hatred toward him, I don't think I have ever seen him praised. His name never comes up in debates of who the greatest are.

Jay does get praise though, and can be found on top-10 ALL TIME lists as a rap legend...so he could actually be overraated

[duskovujosevic]

Immortal Technique is the real deal

The rest are mainstream rappers who have ghost writers

[plowking]

Immortal Technique is the real deal

The rest are mainstream rappers who have ghost writers

Immortal Technique has trouble staying on beat. So overrated after his Dance with the Devil song that got all the hippie bandwagoners on his d!ck. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

[quote=casual_fan]Blueprint 3 had so many cheesy tracks and on american gangster he sounded lazy as hell.

But between 97 and 2000 he put out great music. The dynasity is such an underrated album : epic intro, soon you understand, i just wanna love you.... the list goes on and on. I can

[casual_fan]

The few songs he tried on only made it more obvious he was bullshitting to sell records on the rest.

The dynasty intro for example. How someone could write both that and Hard Knock Life is amazing.

I think few rapper have been as open about their ambition to sell records as jay-z. So i don

[KingBeasley08]

No. He's the greatest rapper ever