Bruce Lee vs Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[TheReal Kendall]

Who would win in a fight?


Bruce Lee - 160 lbs 5'7''

VS

Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 151 lbs 5'8''



Winner fights Mike Tyson

[Angel Face]

Bruce Lee, he is trained to use 8 limbs while Floyd is only trained to box, that's why pure boxers lose to KB, MT, MMA.

Tyson's size won't do anything against Bruce Lee. He's not trained to receive kicks. Size don't matter much in fighting... want proof? UFC 1.

[Godzuki]

i dont even think Mayweather can beat his bodyguards outside of the ring

[TheReal Kendall]

Bruce would beat Mayweather but Tyson would rape Bruce

[sweggeh]

Bruce Lee would murder him. Lee is so fast and can fight in MMA, while Floyd cant. Imagine living your whole life defending against fists, and then you get a Bruce Lee round house kick to the face and put in a sleeper hold. It would be over quick.

[Godzuki]

i agree prime Tyson would rape everyone, even if they teamed up against him he'd still win.

[hateraid]

Rousey or Lee?

[DonDadda59]

You people do realize Lee was just an actor, right? Where did this myth start that he was some legendary fighter? Dude avoided actual combat competition like the plague. He would show up at Martial Arts tournaments and do demonstrations like his one inch punch and do some push ups for the crowd... but he never once actually entered sparring matches.

Why not use actual, proven martial artists like Chuck Norris (who would've beat Bruce into the dirt in a fight) if we're pairing actors with athletes?

[CelticBaller]

Can they beat a silverback doe?

[plowking]

You people do realize Lee was just an actor, right? Where did this myth start that he was some legendary fighter? Dude avoided actual combat competition like the plague. He would show up at Martial Arts tournaments and do demonstrations like his one inch punch and do some push ups for the crowd... but he never once actually entered sparring matches.

Why not use actual, proven martial artists like Chuck Norris (who would've beat Bruce into the dirt in a fight) if we're pairing actors with athletes?

He actually did, and there are recorded accounts of it.

He was a great martial artist in general, just not the greatest like most would like to believe. He'd have a great chance against Floyd. I don't think he is 160lbs like suggested in the OP. More like 140lbs. He definitely isn't a bigger guy than Floyd.

[TheReal Kendall]

You people do realize Lee was just an actor, right? Where did this myth start that he was some legendary fighter? Dude avoided actual combat competition like the plague. He would show up at Martial Arts tournaments and do demonstrations like his one inch punch and do some push ups for the crowd... but he never once actually entered sparring matches.

Why not use actual, proven martial artists like Chuck Norris (who would've beat Bruce into the dirt in a fight) if we're pairing actors with athletes?

Bruce already beat Chuck doe.


Wiki said Bruce was around 160-170 lbs. I've always heard people say he was like 135-155 lbs so :confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Anyone who knows how to use their legs in a fight would murder someone who only knows how to box

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'll take the guy who actually fought professionally.

[TheReal Kendall]

I'll take the guy who actually fought professionally.

Bruce Lee?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bruce Lee?

His acting record is impressive. Very few bombs.

[DonDadda59]

Bruce already beat Chuck doe.

Yeah, in that one movie they did together that was choreographed. :lol

If I'm not mistaken, Chuck was the MW karate champion of the World, yes? What were Bruce's actual, verifiable, recorded combat records? I'm not talking about Urban Legends about him taking out Hong Kong cartels single-handed.

[TheReal Kendall]

Yeah, in that one movie they did together that was choreographed. :lol

If I'm not mistaken, Chuck was the MW karate champion of the World, yes? What were Bruce's actual, verifiable, recorded combat records? I'm not talking about Urban Legends about him taking out Hong Kong cartels single-handed.

I could've sworn that Chuck was on record admitting that Bruce would win in a 1v1

[BigBoss]

Bruce Lee.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Bruce+Lee+s+Six+Inch+Punch_a2c582_4546655.gif

He studied boxing, martial arts, and philosophy and fused it into his Jeet kune Do. The guy has fighting down to a science. Give him a training camp to prepare for Flloyd and he would defeat him by TKO. He's all about speed, power, and efficiency. Hes evasive and a counter punch fighter. Flloyd won't let you hit him, but bruce won't let you hit him AND he'll strike you at the same time. That's his approach.

He would clean house in the UFC in his division.

At the same time i doubt he would ever get into a ring or octagon. He was against sport and being caged in. He studied martial arts and the art of fighting to apply it to REAL life scenarios. Fighting to him was life. It's his art.

Mike Tyson would annihilate him though

[gts]

Chuck Norris on his friendship with Bruce Lee


http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/60309/

[tontoz]

No way was Lee 160. I read Norris' book years ago and i think he said Lee was 145.

I definitely think Lee would beat Floyd. Lee was an expert at so many techniques that Floyd wouldn't know how to deal with.

Norris would dominate both. He was bigger and stronger than Lee, not to mention a 5 time world champ.

[sweggeh]

Bruce would take out Norris. Bruce is possibly the fastest fighter I have ever seen, and practically invented MMA. I wonder how great he could have been if he didnt die so young.

[Godzuki]

Yeah, in that one movie they did together that was choreographed. :lol

If I'm not mistaken, Chuck was the MW karate champion of the World, yes? What were Bruce's actual, verifiable, recorded combat records? I'm not talking about Urban Legends about him taking out Hong Kong cartels single-handed.


you're right but people would rather believe in the legend.

i made a long ass thread a long time ago here explaining everything from quotes from Bruce Lee's students who were honest, and the ones being dishonest were his family who were pissed at them because they'd rather go with the 'legend' version.

nobody cared, they'd rather keep believing in the legend even when confronted with student quotes saying otherwise(as firsthand witnesses as you can get) and a lot of other crap i can't remember. it was almost like a book report i did on ISH lol...think it was under smokeee.

anyways Bruce Lee's movies were a multi generational influence on so many people so i get why people are reluctant...the truth kinda sux. especially that Chuck Norris could really beat him when Chuck looked like some nerdy karate scrub.

[Godzuki]

Floyd may weather vs Jackie chan while he's holding a baby and trying to defend himself, and he means no harm


Floyd would kill the baby because he don't give a fukk, and Jackie would bounce off a brick wall and kick Floyd out with a KO.

[Rameek]

Chuck Norris was a point fighter... In real life competition no one knows how these guys would have fared. Until you are in a fight without stopping and someone is trying to knock your block off and hitting back repeatedly you cant guesstimate.

Thats like asking Billy Blanks to fight Mayweather if you going to ask Chuck Norris to do it.

[SCREWstonRockets]

At the same time i doubt he would ever get into a ring or octagon. He was against sport and being caged in. He studied martial arts and the art of fighting to apply it to REAL life scenarios. Fighting to him was life. It's his art.

Mike Tyson would annihilate him though

This. Fighting was not a sport to him.


Yeah, in that one movie they did together that was choreographed. :lol

If I'm not mistaken, Chuck was the MW karate champion of the World, yes? What were Bruce's actual, verifiable, recorded combat records? I'm not talking about Urban Legends about him taking out Hong Kong cartels single-handed.

there are none because he fought in the streets bruh! Fighting was life to him, which is why he was so philosophical about it.

[DonDadda59]

Chuck Norris was a point fighter...

And proved to be the best in the world in his weight class at it. He held the world title for 6 or 7 consecutive undefeated years if I'm not mistaken. What claims can Bruce Lee make that even come remotely close to that? He wasn't even a points fighter.

He was an exhibitionist like the poster above pointed out. He'd show up to tournaments and instead of competing in them, he'd do demonstrations of one-handed push ups and 6 inch punches and then dip early as soon as the actual fighting started.

It was a brilliant strategy as it landed him the Green Hornet and his film career while preserving his myth.

I'm pretty sure Judo Gene LeBell used to toss him around like a 135 lb rag doll when he was showing Bruce some things.

[CelticBaller]

Bruce lee, world's most overrated man, demonstrated by ISH

[ThePhantomCreep]

No way was Lee 160. I read Norris' book years ago and i think he said Lee was 145.

I definitely think Lee would beat Floyd. Lee was an expert at so many techniques that Floyd wouldn't know how to deal with.

Norris would dominate both. He was bigger and stronger than Lee, not to mention a 5 time world champ.

Mayweather's mastery of the world's top fist-fighting martial art >>> Lee's jack-of-all-trades style. This isn't Hollywood, one-inch punches and jump kicks are ineffective in a sanctioned fight. If Lee is forced to exchanged punches with Mayweather (inevitable if Money closes the distance) he'd be destroyed.

[9erempiree]

I will take the guy that does this.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Bruce+Lee+s+Six+Inch+Punch_a2c582_4546655.gif

[ThePhantomCreep]

I will take the guy that does this.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Bruce+Lee+s+Six+Inch+Punch_a2c582_4546655.gif


Training technique disguised as a "mythical power punch" by Lee. Dude was a fraud.

[9erempiree]

Training technique disguised as a "mythical power punch" by Lee. Dude was a fraud.

Calling a guy a fraud who would most likely kick your ass is comical.:lol

[red1]

So I have to be a better cyclist than Lance Armstrong to call him a cheater?
:oldlol: logic is not his strong suit

[9erempiree]

So I have to be a better cyclist than Lance Armstrong to call him a cheater?

Pretty much so. If he didn't cheat, he would still be better than you.

Notice I don't have a problem with his peers calling him that.

[zoom17]

Winner actually loses.
No one should have to fight Mike Tyson. :lol

:lol

[9erempiree]

:oldlol: logic is not his strong suit

Actually, logic is not the strong suit of Lee's naysayers.

So a guy that trained from early childhood from a known master, created his own style, can do one inch to six inch punches is considered a fraud no?:lol

[DonDadda59]

Actually, logic is not the strong suit of Lee's naysayers.

So a guy that trained from early childhood from a known master, created his own style, can do one inch to six inch punches is considered a fraud no?:lol

Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez would've beaten Bruce into a coma. They were in the same general weight class too. Not that Bruce would've ever agreed to fight him unless it was in a movie he choreographed.

[9erempiree]

Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez would've beaten Bruce into a coma. They were in the same general weight class too. Not that Bruce would've ever agreed to fight him unless it was in a movie he choreographed.

:lol

choreographed? You do know that Benny is a fighting choreographer right?

You arguing for Benny is against what you have said about Lee.

[9erempiree]

The fact of the matter is, Lee trains for real world application when it comes to fighting and survival. He made fighting scientific. He trained to apply his techniques to bring down or kill an individual.

You guys are mistaking real fighting with sport fighting.

Lee is a true martial artist and a true martial artist does not fight for sport. They fight for the pride of their teachings. Bruce could fight but that was against what true martial artists.

[DonDadda59]

:lol

choreographed? You do know that Benny is a fighting choreographer right?

You arguing for Benny is against what you have said about Lee.

Plenty of action stars and fight choreographers were PROVEN fighters. Chuck Norris was the MW karate champion of the world, Judo Gene LeBell was the HW Judo champion of the world, Jean Claude Van Damme has an extensive amateur and professional fighting background, Urquidez has a professional record of 49-1-1 (35 KOs) and holds black belts in 6 different martial arts disciplines.

Bruce Lee on the other hand went to tournaments only to do demonstrations, never tried that 6 inch punch against another trained fighter. All the knowledge we have about his actual fighting abilities is anecdotes about vague unverified street fights and urban legends.

Why didn't he actually compete against other fighters like so many action stars and fight choreographers did? :confusedshrug:

[RedBlackAttack]

Plenty of action stars and fight choreographers were PROVEN fighters. Chuck Norris was the MW karate champion of the world, Judo Gene LeBell was the HW Judo champion of the world, Jean Claude Van Damme has an extensive amateur and professional fighting background, Urquidez has a professional record of 49-1-1 (35 KOs) and holds black belts in 6 different martial arts disciplines.

Bruce Lee on the other hand went to tournaments only to do demonstrations, never tried that 6 inch punch against another trained fighter. All the knowledge we have about his actual fighting abilities is anecdotes about vague unverified street fights and urban legends.

Why didn't he actually compete against other fighters like so many action stars and fight choreographers did? :confusedshrug:
What he said.

[red1]

Pretty much so. If he didn't cheat, he would still be better than you.

Notice I don't have a problem with his peers calling him that.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10297213&postcount=3

Those two rings with Lebron doesn't count.

someone who can't even dribble a basketball criticizing a three time champion. are you one of his peers? :oldlol: looks like consistency isn't a strong suit of yours either

[9erempiree]

@dadda

Your fallacy appeals to ignorance.

"He must suck as a fighter because we can't prove he was good.":facepalm

While any argument for Lee is being a good fighter is strong and valid.

[9erempiree]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10297213&postcount=3


someone who can't even dribble a basketball criticizing a three time champion. are you one of his peers? :oldlol: looks like consistency isn't a strong suit of yours either

You are too emotionally invested in me.

[red1]

Plenty of action stars and fight choreographers were PROVEN fighters. Chuck Norris was the MW karate champion of the world, Judo Gene LeBell was the HW Judo champion of the world, Jean Claude Van Damme has an extensive amateur and professional fighting background, Urquidez has a professional record of 49-1-1 (35 KOs) and holds black belts in 6 different martial arts disciplines.

Bruce Lee on the other hand went to tournaments only to do demonstrations, never tried that 6 inch punch against another trained fighter. All the knowledge we have about his actual fighting abilities is anecdotes about vague unverified street fights and urban legends.

Why didn't he actually compete against other fighters like so many action stars and fight choreographers did? :confusedshrug:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/378852/chuck-norris-approves-o.gif


You are too emotionally invested in me.
what? :oldlol: you are a terrible poster and I am just calling you out on it

[ace23]

Pretty much so. If he didn't cheat, he would still be better than you.

Notice I don't have a problem with his peers calling him that.
You've dug yourself a pretty deep hole here. Good luck

[DonDadda59]

@dadda

Your fallacy appeals to ignorance.

"He must suck as a fighter because we can't prove he was good.":facepalm

While any argument for Lee is being a good fighter is strong and valid.

What are you talking about? :lol

I asked a simple question- why did Lee only show up to tournaments to practice his 6 inch punch on tourists, journalists, and movie executives when there were plenty of trained fighters waiting in the wings to get in there with him? I'm not saying he wasn't a good fighter, just saying he wasn't at all proven in competition like his peers were.

I like Bruce Lee, always enjoyed his movies and he had a nice grasp on Eastern philosophy which he helped introduce to Western audiences. But it's just weird that people think he's some legendary, unbeatable fighter who can take out actual, proven fighters.

I say Urquidez would've handled Lee because he has a proven track record of beating elite fighters across the Globe in both contact and non contact style matches (including some no holds barred early UFC style matches where he took out a 6'1" 230 lbs competitor despite being only 5'6" 140ish himself). He went 63-0 (58 KOs) in title matches.

What argument is there for Lee in that hypothetical matchup? Because he may or may not have beaten a random extra who challenged him during the filming of one of his movies? Because he knocked some random pedestrian into a chair from a 6 inch punch? :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

What are you talking about? :lol

I asked a simple question- why did Lee only show up to tournaments to practice his 6 inch punch on tourists, journalists, and movie executives when there were plenty of trained fighters waiting in the wings to get in there with him? I'm not saying he wasn't a good fighter, just saying he wasn't at all proven in competition like his peers were.

I like Bruce Lee, always enjoyed his movies and he had a nice grasp on Eastern philosophy which he helped introduce to Western audiences. But it's just weird that people think he's some legendary, unbeatable fighter who can take out actual, proven fighters.

I say Urquidez would've handled Lee because he has a proven track record of beating elite fighters across the Globe in both contact and non contact style matches (including some no holds barred early UFC style matches where he took out a 6'1" 230 lbs competitor despite being only 5'6" 140ish himself). He went 63-0 (58 KOs) in title matches.

What argument is there for Lee in that hypothetical matchup? Because he may or may not have beaten a random extra who challenged him during the filming of one of his movies? Because he knocked some random pedestrian into a chair from a 6 inch punch? :oldlol:
Engaging in useless tournaments for money was against his philosophy; the lack of engagement does not mean he was a sh*tty fighter. He was the father of mma and developed various unique fighting techniques that could take out opponents with greater efficiency than any other techniques before him.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Pretty much so. If he didn't cheat, he would still be better than you.

Notice I don't have a problem with his peers calling him that.

You realize you can never criticize LeBron again, right?

[ThePhantomCreep]

@dadda

Your fallacy appeals to ignorance.

"He must suck as a fighter because we can't prove he was good.":facepalm

While any argument for Lee is being a good fighter is strong and valid.

You can't skirt around the fact that Bruce Lee has no verified fight record of any kind, a huge hole in his resume. We're pitting him against one of the all-time great P4P boxers, not an ISH poster, so his lack of real fight experience would hurt him. Sporting wise, there's nothing mentally and physically harder than training for a fight, especially if the opponent is an elite champion.

Boxing is arguably the top striking art of them all. Only Muay Thai has an argument over it.

[nathanjizzle]

bruce would kill mayweather and it wouldnt even be close.

[red1]

bruce would kill mayweather and it wouldnt even be close.
explain

[zoom17]

explain

He's from Chicago:lol

[DonDadda59]

Engaging in useless tournaments for money was against his philosophy

Most amateur tournaments don't offer monetary compensation. And isn't it weird that he supposedly had philosophical reasons for not 'engaging in useless tournaments' but spent his time engaging in useless exhibitions against bus drivers and dish washers in useless tournaments... but never actually competed? And let's not forget he exploited his martial arts for financial gain and fame. Where were his philosophical apprehensions then?

Truth is the only reason he never actually fought against any trained fighter is because he knew he would get his ass handed to him publicly and he wanted to preserve the myth of himself in order to keep bringing in box office dollars.

[9erempiree]

Lets not forget, before MMA sport fighting, people who were sent to karate class as kids can attest to this, you don't train to fight. You train to defend yourself and give yourself confidence. You didn't use what you learn to pick fights with bullies. Martial arts is a discipline and not some sport.

Lee didn't fight because he was scared or thought people would kick his ass. He was a martial arts practitioner. You don't fight for fun.

By him not fighting, he was protecting people from himself. Lee was a philosopher and was a very smart man.

[9erempiree]

He was knocking guys down with headgear.

check out :44 and that sequence.:eek:

[red1]

He was knocking guys down with headgear.

check out :44 and that sequence.:eek:
46-0 vs other pro fighters is more impressive than any theatrical demonstration

[9erempiree]

The fact of the matter is, we are talking about Bruce Lee, the inventor of MMA. It was not too long ago, Floyd was being compared to a woman.

Enough said.

[9erempiree]

46-0 vs other pro fighters is more impressive than any theatrical demonstration

That is a sport homie.

Bruce Lee use to bang with gang members. He was a gangster and would fight while parading the streets. These aren't gang members of today who use a gun and end any confrontation.

They were using primitive weapons such as knives, bats or sticks. He survived the streets.

By any logical standards, Lee gets the nod over a sportsman.

[DonDadda59]

46-0 vs other pro fighters is more impressive than any theatrical demonstration

I wonder if people would consider Floyd a great boxer if all he did was show up to actual Boxing matches and demonstrate his 6 inch punch against cab drivers before real fights happened. :oldlol:

[red1]

The fact of the matter is, we are talking about Bruce Lee, the inventor of MMA. It was not too long ago, Floyd was being compared to a woman.

Enough said.
bruce lee vs 14 year old lindsey lohan

There, I just compared bruce lee to a teenage girl. Enough said :pimp:


I wonder if people would consider Floyd a great boxer if all he did was show up to actual Boxing matches and demonstrate his 6 inch punch against cab drivers before real fights happened. :oldlol:
:oldlol:

[red1]

That is a sport homie.

Bruce Lee use to bang with gang members. He was a gangster and would fight while parading the streets. These aren't gang members of today who use a gun and end any confrontation.

They were using primitive weapons such as knives, bats or sticks. He survived the streets.

By any logical standards, Lee gets the nod over a sportsman.
You aren't persuading anybody with this. 46-0 in a real combat sport vs other pros is more relevant than theatrics and anecdotes any day.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Bruce Lee fought for real on the streets often where there are no rules, breaks or regulations.

Mayweather fought in the boxing with rules and breaks, with MONTHS in between each fight.

Essentially Bruce Lee = Navy Seal, Mayweather = gold medalist at the Olympic shooting competition.

One trained hard for real-life situations/experienced them, the other trained hard for an event.

Bruce Lee takes this.

[9erempiree]

Here are some more facts. People knew and it is widely known that Lee thought a fight should end in 2 seconds once in striking range. He also trained with no-rules and no holds barred, that includes everything that is illegal in sport fighting.

Why would a man that trains at the highest level of fighting and survival take a couple steps back and fight in a competition where rules are going to restrict his overall philosophy.

As much as I respect MMA and boxing, in real life scenarios, a fight isn't going to last 20 minutes like a MMA fight or 50 minutes in a boxing ring and giving the victory to the guy with the most rounds won.

With all the myth busters and conspiracy theorists out there, why isn't there anyone coming out and said they kicked Lee's ass when there are tons of account by people of how great of a fighter he was.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Here are some more facts. People knew and it is widely known that Lee thought a fight should end in 2 seconds once in striking range. He also trained with no-rules and no holds barred, that includes everything that is illegal in sport fighting.

Why would a man that trains at the highest level of fighting and survival take a couple steps back and fight in a competition where rules are going to restrict his overall philosophy.

As much as I respect MMA and boxing, in real life scenarios, a fight isn't going to last 20 minutes like a MMA fight or 50 minutes in a boxing ring and giving the victory to the guy with the most rounds won.

With all the myth busters and conspiracy theorists out there, why isn't there anyone coming out and said they kicked Lee's ass when there are tons of account by people of how great of a fighter he was.
MMA is a different story. I definitely think a prime Chuck Liddell can win against a Navy Seal in straight up H2H, since Seals train in survival and marksmanship above all and UFC fighters trains in nothing but H2H. Give both fighters a knife, or worse a gun, then any MMA fighter dies.

[DonDadda59]

Bruce Lee fought for real on the streets often where there are no rules, breaks or regulations.

Mayweather fought in the boxing with rules and breaks, with MONTHS in between each fight.

Essentially Bruce Lee = Navy Seal, Mayweather = gold medalist at the Olympic shooting competition.

One trained hard for real-life situations/experienced them, the other trained hard for an event.

Bruce Lee takes this.

:oldlol:

Where are people getting this idea from that Lee was training for and engaging in street fights? The only thing he ever trained for was choreographed sequences in his films.

Who was he fighting on the streets as a 'Navy Seal'? Do we have any verified detailed accounts?


With all the myth busters and conspiracy theorists out there, why isn't there anyone coming out and said they kicked Lee's ass

Because he never fought anyone, so there was nothing to tell :oldlol:

But here's Joe Lewis, famed Karate champion who used to train with Lee regularly:


Joe Lewis - I learn fast. I made black belt in one year in Okinawa in three different styles. I am a fast learning. I can get all your stuff in a matter of weeks, and I mean anybody who can fight. I worked with Bruce less than two years before we grew apart. We used to work together for 6 to 8 hours at a time. I would be at his house at one in the afternoon, and not leave until maybe ten that night. Is that one lesson? Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher.

...

Bruce Lee was a five-foot, seven inch, 138 pound, non-combat type martial artist. I was strictly into combat and competition. I was almost six feet tall, 200 pounds.


Heavyweight Judo World Champion Gene LeBell, who trained Lee in Judo/Wrestling for over a year during his stint on the Green Hornet (And trainer of Ronda Rousey among others):


"If they said Bruce coulda beat Chuck Norris, Id say how much do you wanna bet? I gotta fist-full o greenbacks in my pocket."

"Ronda Rousey would have Bruce Lee for lunch" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDk1r0Uv8ks)

Can anyone name a single person that Bruce fought? :biggums:

And again, I don't want unverified urban legends and anecdotes about him taking out Triad members, etc. Just give me one name of a fighter he faced and then we'll talk about how he would fare against actual proven, elite, world class fighters.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

:oldlol:

Where are people getting this idea from that Lee was training for and engaging in street fights? The only thing he ever trained for was choreographed sequences in his films.

Who was he fighting on the streets as a 'Navy Seal'? Do we have any verified detailed accounts?



Because he never fought anyone, so there was nothing to tell :oldlol:

But here's Joe Lewis, famed Karate champion who used to train with Lee regularly:


Joe Lewis - I learn fast. I made black belt in one year in Okinawa in three different styles. I am a fast learning. I can get all your stuff in a matter of weeks, and I mean anybody who can fight. I worked with Bruce less than two years before we grew apart. We used to work together for 6 to 8 hours at a time. I would be at his house at one in the afternoon, and not leave until maybe ten that night. Is that one lesson? Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher.

...

Bruce Lee was a five-foot, seven inch, 138 pound, non-combat type martial artist. I was strictly into combat and competition. I was almost six feet tall, 200 pounds.


Heavyweight Judo World Champion Gene LeBell, who trained Lee in Judo/Wrestling for over a year during his stint on the Green Hornet (And trainer of Ronda Rousey among others):


"If they said Bruce coulda beat Chuck Norris, Id say how much do you wanna bet? I gotta fist-full o greenbacks in my pocket."

"Ronda Rousey would have Bruce Lee for lunch" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDk1r0Uv8ks)

Can anyone name a single person that Bruce fought? :biggums:

And again, I don't want unverified urban legends and anecdotes about him taking out Triad members, etc. Just give me one name of a fighter he faced and then we'll talk about how he would fare against actual proven, elite, world class fighters.
Gamorra.

[DonDadda59]

Gamorra.

Is that a person or a comic book character (or possible STD)? :confusedshrug:

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Is that a person or a comic book character (or possible STD)? :confusedshrug:
Bruce Lee's sparring partner.

[DonDadda59]

Bruce Lee's sparring partner.

Can you give us any more details- what were his accomplishments as a fighter? Did he and Bruce engage in life or death 'Navy Seals' style fights?

Is that it? Just a random sparring partner... even though philosophically Bruce was apparently against fighting that wasn't in the skreetz and to the death? :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

MMA is a different story. I definitely think a prime Chuck Liddell can win against a Navy Seal in straight up H2H, since Seals train in survival and marksmanship above all and UFC fighters trains in nothing but H2H. Give both fighters a knife, or worse a gun, then any MMA fighter dies.
:facepalm

MMA fighters beating Navy Seals now.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bruce Lee fought for real on the streets often where there are no rules, breaks or regulations.

Mayweather fought in the boxing with rules and breaks, with MONTHS in between each fight.

Essentially Bruce Lee = Navy Seal, Mayweather = gold medalist at the Olympic shooting competition.

One trained hard for real-life situations/experienced them, the other trained hard for an event.

Bruce Lee takes this.

Because Floyd wouldn't own in a street fight. :facepalm

Didn't old ass Arturo Gatti (RIP) demolish a 200 pounder in less than two minutes on "Joes vs Pros"?

I'd MUCH rather fight a "street fighter" than a professional boxer, under any circumstance.

[9erempiree]

Because Floyd wouldn't own in a street fight. :facepalm

Didn't old ass Arturo Gatti (RIP) demolish a 200 pounder in less than two minutes on "Joes vs Pros"?

I'd MUCH rather fight a "street fighter" than a professional boxer, under any circumstance.

I would rather fight a boxer in a street fight than a street fighter. A boxer's fist is his false sense of security. He thinks his training and his hands are his biggest threat while I will pull a knife out and stab him. Like I said, that false of security, will mean he thinks he is good enough to rely on his hands.

A crazy street fighter will carry knives or brass knuckles. I have seen some pretty sick fights that involved weapons. That is life and death.

Most of what Lee and the Navy Seals train on, is to teach you how to disarm your opponent that is vital in real world applications. They are not teaching people how to dodge big red mitts.

[Rameek]

Did you even read my post... It doesnt matter if you are a point fighter or whatever Bruce Lee was, they should not consider getting in the ring with a guy like Mayweather. Point fighting is probably just as bad as an exhibitionist because its touch/hit stop, touch/hit stop. That isnt fighting neither are conditioned or trained to mix it up for real and take punishment and deliver punishment.

I do remember seeing some documentation of Bruce Lee's street fights and I do believe its highly possible he did. But no one wanted to destroy his myth, legend of greatness.

For example; Transitioning from point fighting to full contact to koshiki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iizbs40-89g was difficult.


And proved to be the best in the world in his weight class at it. He held the world title for 6 or 7 consecutive undefeated years if I'm not mistaken. What claims can Bruce Lee make that even come remotely close to that? He wasn't even a points fighter.

He was an exhibitionist like the poster above pointed out. He'd show up to tournaments and instead of competing in them, he'd do demonstrations of one-handed push ups and 6 inch punches and then dip early as soon as the actual fighting started.

It was a brilliant strategy as it landed him the Green Hornet and his film career while preserving his myth.

I'm pretty sure Judo Gene LeBell used to toss him around like a 135 lb rag doll when he was showing Bruce some things.

[DonDadda59]

One more thing, and I'll most likely be done with this thread... Really irks me when people call Lee the godfather of MMA or some other bullshit like that. Now the UFC has him on the covers of their video games even though the man never fought an official match a day in his life. Yeah he went out and sought different styles to learn, but so did other fighters at the time, and many of those guys actually went out and put those skills to the test.

Take the guy I mentioned earlier in this thread- Benny 'the Jet' Urquidez. His father was a boxer and his mother was a wrestler. He trained in both disciplines when he was a toddler, competing in boxing matches when he was 5 years old. He later went on to study Karate and became a black belt at just 14. He would go on to earn Black belts in Judo, Jiujitsu, Kendo, and Kajukenbo. He also, like Lee, studied with Gene LeBell.

Now instead of going around to tournaments and slapping around short order cooks and mailmen, he traveled the World taking on any challengers who fought in many styles:

Vs Japanese Judo/Kickboxing Champions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT-Lkqz_dnk)

Vs Muay Thai Fighters from Thailand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHk_y_y9wsM)

'74 Vs 6'1" 230lb Fighter in very early MMAesque rules fight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblJ9VqHW8w)

Now that is an actual proven fighter who studied multiple disciplines and traveled the World engaging in real fights against world champions in many disciplines. His fighting exploits are public record and we even have recorded evidence of them today. He was the same size as Lee (5'6" 140 lbs), but this is probably the first time most here have ever heard of him. Instead most worship an actor who pretended to fight people.

That really bothers me.

/Rant.

[Lamar Doom]

Yo, Bruce Lee is like the father of MMA. If not the father, definitely the godfather.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I would rather fight a boxer in a street fight than a street fighter. A boxer's fist is his false sense of security. He thinks his training and his hands are his biggest threat while I will pull a knife out and stab him. Like I said, that false of security, will mean he thinks he is good enough to rely on his hands.

A crazy street fighter will carry knives or brass knuckles. I have seen some pretty sick fights that involved weapons. That is life and death.

Most of what Lee and the Navy Seals train on, is to teach you how to disarm your opponent that is vital in real world applications. They are not teaching people how to dodge big red mitts.

Who would you rather fight in their primes, street-fighter Kimbo Slice or George Foreman? One of them could potentially send you to your grave with one punch, and it isn't Kimbo.

Let's not muddy the waters by introducing foreign objects either. Simple Mano-a-Mano, you'd rather fight a trained professional fighter over an untrained, unorthodox street fighter? Come on now.

[DonDadda59]

Yo, Bruce Lee is like the father of MMA. If not the father, definitely the godfather.

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1179/11799911/2502204-brucelee2.jpg

^Closest thing you'll ever see to the Godfather being in an actual fight. :bowdown:

[Rameek]

I agree Benny 'the Jet' Urquidez was the man unfortunately didnt have the greatest recognition. One of my favs as a kid. Dont look at his movies to determine his fighting skills though.


One more thing, and I'll most likely be done with this thread... Really irks me when people call Lee the godfather of MMA or some other bullshit like that. Now the UFC has him on the covers of their video games even though the man never fought an official match a day in his life. Yeah he went out and sought different styles to learn, but so did other fighters at the time, and many of those guys actually went out and put those skills to the test.

Take the guy I mentioned earlier in this thread- Benny 'the Jet' Urquidez. His father was a boxer and his mother was a wrestler. He trained in both disciplines when he was a toddler, competing in boxing matches when he was 5 years old. He later went on to study Karate and became a black belt at just 14. He would go on to earn Black belts in Judo, Jiujitsu, Kendo, and Kajukenbo. He also, like Lee, studied with Gene LeBell.

Now instead of going around to tournaments and slapping around short order cooks and mailmen, he traveled the World taking on any challengers who fought in many styles:

Vs Japanese Judo/Kickboxing Champions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT-Lkqz_dnk)

Vs Muay Thai Fighters from Thailand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHk_y_y9wsM)

'74 Vs 6'1" 230lb Fighter in very early MMAesque rules fight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblJ9VqHW8w)

Now that is an actual proven fighter who studied multiple disciplines and traveled the World engaging in real fights against world champions in many disciplines. His fighting exploits are public record and we even have recorded evidence of them today. He was the same size as Lee (5'6" 140 lbs), but this is probably the first time most here have ever heard of him. Instead most worship an actor who pretended to fight people.

That really bothers me.

/Rant.

[Rodmantheman]

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1179/11799911/2502204-brucelee2.jpg

^Closest thing you'll ever see to the Godfather being in an actual fight. :bowdown:

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

Who would you rather fight in their primes, street-fighter Kimbo Slice or George Foreman? One of them could potentially send you to your grave with one punch, and it isn't Kimbo.

Let's not muddy the waters by introducing foreign objects either. Simple Mano-a-Mano, you'd rather fight a trained professional fighter over an untrained, unorthodox street fighter? Come on now.

There is no such thing as mano y mano when we are talking about street fights. Weapons are a huge factor and I would rather over train and take weapons into consideration, such as Bruce, then be naive to think that my fists alone will win a fight.

There is gun play involved in the fights I have witnessed so weapons are a huge factor. If I had to fight a guy who is a boxer, I am more incline to think he doesn't have a weapon. If you tell me to step outside against a street fighter, no thanks. People carry knives now, like house keys, and at one time brass knuckles.

Like I mentioned before, one is sport fighting and the other is survival. I laugh at the notion that people train in MMA gyms for self defense. In reality it is trendy to train in MMA. It is a good workout but if you really want to defend yourself, I suggest a more lethal approach.

[Lamar Doom]

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1179/11799911/2502204-brucelee2.jpg

^Closest thing you'll ever see to the Godfather being in an actual fight. :bowdown:

Bruce would even be able to knock out Kimbo Slice, the guy who put MMA on the MMAP.

[IamRAMBO24]

Most amateur tournaments don't offer monetary compensation. And isn't it weird that he supposedly had philosophical reasons for not 'engaging in useless tournaments' but spent his time engaging in useless exhibitions against bus drivers and dish washers in useless tournaments... but never actually competed? And let's not forget he exploited his martial arts for financial gain and fame. Where were his philosophical apprehensions then?

Truth is the only reason he never actually fought against any trained fighter is because he knew he would get his ass handed to him publicly and he wanted to preserve the myth of himself in order to keep bringing in box office dollars.

You don't know sh*t about Bruce Lee. He knew the techniques that could take out an opponent better than anybody else, because guess what, he invented that sh*t. He is incredibly strong and fast on top of that and you are telling me he aint worth a damn? GTFO you're stupid.

[IamRAMBO24]

One more thing, and I'll most likely be done with this thread... Really irks me when people call Lee the godfather of MMA or some other bullshit like that.

People call him the godfather of mma because he invented that sh*t dumbf*ck.

[Im Still Ballin]

Bruce Lee would get murked by 90% of UFC fighters.

EDIT: 98%

[DonDadda59]

Bruce would even be able to knock out Kimbo Slice, the guy who put MMA on the MMAP.


People call him the godfather of mma because he invented that sh*t dumbf*ck.


You don't know sh*t about Bruce Lee. He knew the techniques that could take out an opponent better than anybody else, because guess what, he invented that sh*t. He is incredibly strong and fast on top of that and you are telling me he aint worth a damn? GTFO you're stupid.

One of these is satire. The other 2- written from a deep-seated, iron-clad belief. Which is which?

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww250/jh2up/2lj0riv.gif

Which?

[IamRAMBO24]

One of these is satire. The other 2- written from a deep-seated, iron-clad belief. Which is which?

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww250/jh2up/2lj0riv.gif

Which?

You're basing everything on a hypothetical. You said he can't fight because he does not compete like the ufc fighters of today. How the f*ck do you know? He could be the god of ufc or he could suck. You don't know.

What we know as a fact:

1. He is fast.
2. Strong.
3. He invented mma.

Take all those 3 factors in and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that man can put up a fight.

My hypothesis is based on sound reasoning while your dumba*s is pulling sh*t out of your a*s and trying to make it sound legit.

[DonDadda59]

You're basing everything on a hypothetical. You said he can't fight because he does not compete like the ufc fighters of today. How the f*ck do you know? He could be the god of ufc or he could suck. You don't know.

What we know as a fact:

1. He is fast.
2. Strong.
3. He invented mma.

Take all those 3 factors in and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that man can put up a fight.

My hypothesis is based on sound reasoning while your dumba*s is pulling sh*t out of your a*s and trying to make it sound legit.

Yes. All of this.

And then some. :eek:

[9erempiree]

You're basing everything on a hypothetical. You said he can't fight because he does not compete like the ufc fighters of today. How the f*ck do you know? He could be the god of ufc or he could suck. You don't know.

What we know as a fact:

1. He is fast.
2. Strong.
3. He invented mma.

Take all those 3 factors in and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that man can put up a fight.

My hypothesis is based on sound reasoning while your dumba*s is pulling sh*t out of your a*s and trying to make it sound legit.

Poor logic. Poor reasoning skills.

Too many flaws in his argument.

Appeals to Ignorance.

When all the facts pretty much come to the conclusion that Lee is a great fighter and would kill Floyd, not just beat.

[Lamar Doom]

My hypothesis is based on sound reasoning while your dumba*s is pulling sh*t out of your a*s and trying to make it sound legit.


whoa, whoa, WHOA. No call for this man, no call for it. Let's just all de-escalate for a minute, go back to our neutral corners so to speak. Cooler heads, gang. We should call ourselves the Cooler Heads Gang.

[Im Still Ballin]

Bruce Lee isn't a god. He ain't anything we don't see today

Just a gymnasts body who did martial arts. big deal.

Jon Jones is 100x more impressive

[DonDadda59]

whoa, whoa, WHOA. No call for this man, no call for it. Let's just all de-escalate for a minute, go back to our neutral corners so to speak. Cooler heads, gang. We should call ourselves the Cooler Heads Gang.

The Godfather of MMA doesn't know shit about that :yaohappy:



But he knows the skreetz :crazysam:

[plowking]

someone who can't even dribble a basketball criticizing a three time champion. are you one of his peers? :oldlol: looks like consistency isn't a strong suit of yours either

Argument ended here. How embarrassing. Dude can't even troll right.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bruce Lee "working" the heavy bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObGLTfJa1w

Amateur hour. Perhaps he only showed his godlike handspeed when the cameras were off.

[IamRAMBO24]

Bruce Lee isn't a god. He ain't anything we don't see today



Name a UFC fighter that invented a new style of martial arts.

[IamRAMBO24]

Yes. All of this.

And then some. :eek:

I just exposed your argument. It is fallacious in nature. It only rests on a hypothetical. With your dumba*s hypothetical, you can prob argue Charlie Z can beat Bruce Lee since he's been in a real amateur fight.

It's retarded and makes absolutely no sense.

[9erempiree]

Argument ended here. How embarrassing. Dude can't even troll right.

emotionally invested in me.

[Im Still Ballin]

Name a UFC fighter that invented a new style of martial arts.
Thats not the point. I can make my own religion. Name another ISHer that invented a new church. Now I'm better than all of you

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

Just because he invented something doesn't mean he won't get murked by most fighters today. I ain't rating him on his cultural impact. I'm stripping down all the hype and bullshit, and assessing him as what he is. A skinny chinese dude with a gymnasts physique. Nothing special

[DonDadda59]

Bruce Lee "working" the heavy bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObGLTfJa1w

Amateur hour. Perhaps he only showed his godlike handspeed when the cameras were off.

To the untrained eye that looks like amateurish, sloppy, slow, off balance striking with awful technique.

But to those with discerning eyes, it's clear Bruce invented a new way to punch. Completely unstoppable. Would KO Tyson in 2.

[9erempiree]

Thats not the point. I can make my own religion. Name another ISHer that invented a new church. Now I'm better than all of you

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

Just because he invented something doesn't mean he won't get murked by most fighters today. I ain't rating him on his cultural impact. I'm stripping down all the hype and bullshit, and assessing him as what he is. A skinny chinese dude with a gymnasts physique. Nothing special
:facepalm That logic doe.

Lee is nothing special, he is skinny....GSP is skinny.....therefore GSP is nothing special.:lol

I am arguing with idiots here.

[Lamar Doom]

But to those with discerning eyes, it's clear Bruce invented a new way to punch. Completely unstoppable. Would KO Tyson in 2.


Would KO 2 Tysons

[IamRAMBO24]

Thats not the point. I can make my own religion. Name another ISHer that invented a new church. Now I'm better than all of you

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

Just because he invented something doesn't mean he won't get murked by most fighters today. I ain't rating him on his cultural impact. I'm stripping down all the hype and bullshit, and assessing him as what he is. A skinny chinese dude with a gymnasts physique. Nothing special

How do you know? You're falling in the same bullsh*t trap as Dondadda. You can say he will get beat by most of the fighters today and at the same time I can say he will destroy them. How do we know? We don't. It's a hypothetical. It's bullsh*t and you're retarded for basing your entire premise on something that is fallacious in nature.

[DonDadda59]

I just exposed your argument. It is fallacious in nature. It only rests on a hypothetical. With your dumba*s hypothetical, you can prob argue Charlie Z can beat Bruce Lee since he's been in a real amateur fight.

It's retarded and makes absolutely no sense.

MY argument is based on a hypothetical, huh?

Well good thing I'm posting in a... what's the word for a thread where people are asked to match a world class, undefeated fighter against a film actor with 0 History of actual combat?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/scratch-head01-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000414-facebook.gif

[IamRAMBO24]

What we do know about Bruce Lee:

He is a freak of nature. He is fast, strong, and he invented mma. You guys are making him out like he is going to be some punching bag in the tournaments.

[IamRAMBO24]

MY argument is based on a hypothetical, huh?

Well good thing I'm posting in a... what's the word for a thread where people are asked to match a world class, undefeated fighter against a film actor with 0 History of actual combat?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/scratch-head01-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000414-facebook.gif

You're speaking like it's a fact when this is all for fun. You're the only idiot doing this.

[IamRAMBO24]

match a world class, undefeated fighter against a film actor with 0 History of actual combat?


This argument in and of itself is stupid.

Your premise:

Bruce Lee can't fight because he has no actual combat.

This would mean anybody who has ever engaged in an actual tournament can probably beat him. Is that really what you are trying to say?

[Im Still Ballin]

HE would get murked and you fakkits know it.

[Im Still Ballin]

Georges St-Pierre would bend him over and wreck that shit. Little chinese man would be sodomized.

[DonDadda59]

What we do know about Bruce Lee:

He is a freak of nature. He is fast, strong, and he invented mma. You guys are making him out like he is going to be some punching bag in the tournaments.

Pretty much every punching bag in the world has more combat experience than Bruce Lee.

[IamRAMBO24]

Pretty much every punching bag in the world has more combat experience than Bruce Lee.

Now you're trolling.

[9erempiree]

I see people package their arguments in some fancy way but no matter how you package it, it lacks logic and critical reasoning.

Although this is a fun topic of what-ifs, given what we know, it is safe to say that a martial arts practitioner, not sport MMA, can beat a boxer. When in fact, Lee himself, was a boxing champ at an early age and given his training and his athletic ability will beat a less athletic Floyd.

[DonDadda59]

Now you're trolling.

The funny thing is bro. Even if I was bro... I'm really not bro.

Think about it bro. Who has taken more real punches from actual, sometimes elite level fighters- the punching bags in Freddie Roach's Wild Card gym or Bruce Lee?

Think about it bro.

Think.

[9erempiree]

This Chinese dude looks like he can be a cook at a Chinese joint and he is curb stomping an elite athlete.

Imagine what Lee would do to Floyd.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_sciutto_110819_wg.jpg

[Im Still Ballin]

You are both just playing hard for the negs.

Lol. Frauds.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I see people package their arguments in some fancy way but no matter how you package it, it lacks logic and critical reasoning.

Although this is a fun topic of what-ifs, given what we know, it is safe to say that a martial arts practitioner, not sport MMA, can beat a boxer. When in fact, Lee himself, was a boxing champ at an early age and given his training and his athletic ability will beat a less athletic Floyd.

Would you take Joe Blow "9th Dan Karate Instructor" who operates out of strip mall in Irving Texas over a professional boxer? He knows "martial arts" after all.

Boxing btw, is a martial art too, and it's considered far and away the best fighting skill involving your fists.

Floyd Mayweather trains for fights that could end with his ass being handed to him. Literally. The gloves? They're to protect the hands and wrists of the fighters, not so much the face.

Bruce Lee did not engage in this type of serious, nerve-racking, soul-searching type of training. He was a non-combatant, by his own admission. Why is this not a big deal to you people?!!!

[IamRAMBO24]

The funny thing is bro. Even if I was bro... I'm really not bro.

Think about it bro. Who has taken more real punches from actual, sometimes elite level fighters- the punching bags in Freddie Roach's Wild Card gym or Bruce Lee?

Think about it bro.

Think.

Shaolin monks train for their entire lives. They eat, drink, and sleep training. They live in a monastery. The only time they don't train is when they meditate and they only do that to better their skills.

They will never be in a ufc fight or do any sort of tournament for monetary gain. Based on your logic, their fighting skills are as useless as a punching bag.

[IamRAMBO24]

This Chinese dude looks like he can be a cook at a Chinese joint and he is curb stomping an elite athlete.

Imagine what Lee would do to Floyd.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_sciutto_110819_wg.jpg

How are you going to be criticizing my argument when you are pulling sh*t like this?

[IamRAMBO24]

Bruce Lee is the father of mma for a reason:

“One of the things that made him [Lee] unique was his ability to move from kicking range to punching range to trapping range to grappling range. At that time, most martial artists really shined in one particular range. If you kicked, you didn’t punch or grapple much. If you punched, you didn’t kick or grapple much. And if you grappled, you didn’t have the same skill level in striking. Sifu Bruce was way ahead of his time in how he was training himself and his students to be adept at bridging the gap between ranges.”- Dan Inosanto

Ya he's going to be a punching bag ...

[DonDadda59]

Bruce Lee is the father of mma for a reason:

“One of the things that made him [Lee] unique was his ability to move from kicking range to punching range to trapping range to grappling range. At that time, most martial artists really shined in one particular range. If you kicked, you didn’t punch or grapple much. If you punched, you didn’t kick or grapple much. And if you grappled, you didn’t have the same skill level in striking. Sifu Bruce was way ahead of his time in how he was training himself and his students to be adept at bridging the gap between ranges.”- Dan Inosanto

Ya he's going to be a punching bag ...

Bruce would've been strangled to death by any and all of the Gracies, including the Women. But the Gracies backed down when Benny the Jet Urquidez accepted their famous open challenge.

Gene LeBell, who trained Lee for over a year, has gone on record that Chuck Norris would beat Bruce into the dirt in an actual fight and Ronda Rousey would eat him for lunch.

[GimmeThat]

I'm just gonna say that boxing is a sport and it isn't fighting

go ahead and flame me

[IamRAMBO24]

Bruce would've been strangled to death by any and all of the Gracies, including the Women. But the Gracies backed down when Benny the Jet Urquidez accepted their famous open challenge.

Gene LeBell, who trained Lee for over a year, has gone on record that Chuck Norris would beat Bruce into the dirt in an actual fight and Ronda Rousey would eat him for lunch.

That wasn't your argument. You said Bruce Lee was nothing more than a punching bag. Don't try to cop out now. It's stupid. Admit it.

[DonDadda59]

That wasn't your argument. You said Bruce Lee was nothing more than a punching bag. Don't try to cop out now. It's stupid. Admit it.

Go back and read what I actually said and maybe you'll stop embarrassing yourself :facepalm

I've grown bored of this topic. I'll pop my head in for the upcoming Steven Seagal vs Fedor Emelianenko thread though.

Have a wonderful night :cheers:

[oh the horror]

As someone who took boxing for a good while, you guys really need to drop this weird misconception that somehow being a championship boxer makes you super human. Martial ears black belt levels vs a boxer? Come on now.


I watched a damn golden glove get his shit rocked by a friend of mine.


A boxer is going to be hard pressed to keep up with someone that utilizes kicks, sweeps, hands, etc.


Bruce knew locks, punches, kicks, that was the essense of jeet kune do it was mixed martial arts before mixed martial arts.

[IamRAMBO24]

Go back and read what I actually said and maybe you'll stop embarrassing yourself :facepalm

I've grown bored of this topic. I'll pop my head in for the upcoming Steven Seagal vs Fedor Emelianenko thread though.

Have a wonderful night :cheers:

Good night, don't stress over this too much. It's all in good fun.

[Graviton]

Lee's legend really grew beyond his actual capabilities. Obviously he wouldn't be a punching bag, but when I hear some people say he would dominate any fighter on the planet I just :facepalm . There is a reason why his unbeatable "style" has not had any success in actual MMA. It doesn't actually work beyond exhibitions and movies. Unless we are going to suspend all logic and assume he knew this super secret amazing style that beats everything but somehow was never showcased or recorded against other REAL fighters? No one today was smart enough to utilize it in a sport or real fighting? Special forces train their best soldiers in boxing, judo, jiu-jitsu, taekwondo but this secret Bruce Lee style is never mentioned?

I don't know if people are holding on to their childhood memories and myths or arguing for the sake of it. But there are no facts to actually back up any of that bullshit. If there was such a style, it would have been perfected and implemented somewhere by now. Truth is Lee was a philosopher and a showman, not an actual fighter or competitor.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Bruce Lee would toy with Floyd Mayweather.

Bruce Ree don't take no sh1t

[ThePhantomCreep]

As someone who took boxing for a good while, you guys really need to drop this weird misconception that somehow being a championship boxer makes you super human. Martial ears black belt levels vs a boxer? Come on now.


I watched a damn golden glove get his shit rocked by a friend of mine.


A boxer is going to be hard pressed to keep up with someone that utilizes kicks, sweeps, hands, etc.


Bruce knew locks, punches, kicks, that was the essense of jeet kune do it was mixed martial arts before mixed martial arts.

Yeah, just throw kicks at an elite boxer. Piece of cake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_9b0nCVjGo

Those belt rankings are a joke, at least in the states. Al Bundy and Guy Ritchie have black belts FFS.

[sweggeh]

Bruce would've been strangled to death by any and all of the Gracies, including the Women. But the Gracies backed down when Benny the Jet Urquidez accepted their famous open challenge.

Gene LeBell, who trained Lee for over a year, has gone on record that Chuck Norris would beat Bruce into the dirt in an actual fight and Ronda Rousey would eat him for lunch.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm

[oh the horror]

Yeah, just throw kicks at an elite boxer. Piece of cake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_9b0nCVjGo

Those belt rankings are a joke, at least in the states. Al Bundy and Guy Ritchie have black belts FFS.


So what does being Al Bundy have to do with it?


You're talking about a man, Bruce Lee that was a master level martial artist. He's not just hunky dory throwing kicks dude. Martial arts is a combination of manipulating someone else's body in ways that they're probably going to be picked apart.



Are we all really having a ****ing argument about a god damn master level martial artist losing to a boxer? Jesus Christ you guys are a comedy show.



Now don't get me wrong. Bruce isn't going to just destroy everyone out there but a man similar in size as Floyd and Bruce are, going head to head and one only knows hands and the other knows hands, feet, locks, holds, throws, kicks, etc? How can anyone debate that?

[ThePhantomCreep]

So what does being Al Bundy have to do with it?


You're talking about a man, Bruce Lee that was a master level martial artist. He's not just hunky dory throwing kicks dude. Martial arts is a combination of manipulating someone else's body in ways that they're probably going to be picked apart.



Are we all really having a ****ing argument about a god damn master level martial artist losing to a boxer? Jesus Christ you guys are a comedy show.



Now don't get me wrong. Bruce isn't going to just destroy everyone out there but a man similar in size as Floyd and Bruce are, going head to head and one only knows hands and the other knows hands, feet, locks, holds, throws, kicks, etc? How can anyone debate that?

You're the one implying black belts are more impressive than world champion boxers. McDojos hand those out to students after 2-3 years, tops. I'm more impressed by fight records, frankly.

The sweet science is being disrespected badly here. For starters, Boxing IS a martial art, universally regarded as the top hand-to-hand fighting discipline on the planet. Consider a champion boxer like Floyd a "black belt" if you will, a master martial artist who tests his skills against actual opponents, not sparring partners in a dojo.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're the one implying black belts are more impressive than world champion boxers. McDojos hand those out to students after 2-3 years, tops. I'm more impressed by fight records, frankly.

The sweet science is being disrespected badly here. For starters, Boxing IS a martial art, universally regarded as the top hand-to-hand fighting discipline on the planet. Consider a champion boxer like Floyd a "black belt" if you will, a master martial artist who tests his skills against actual opponents, not sparring partners in a dojo.

Ya but Bruce is incredibly fast in switching from boxing to kicking and then to grappling, whereas a boxer won't be as effective since he does not have the versatility to switch gears, heck, I don't even think Mayweather knows how to grapple, which is the deadliest move in mixed martial arts.

[Graviton]

I think Bruce may actually have a chance vs Mayweather, but someone said he would also beat the best MMA fighter of same weight class, that's what I can't fathom. Someone like Jose Aldo would maul Lee.

http://www.mmaverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jose-aldo-double-flying-knee-cub-swanson.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9lFnD6GVl4I/TTiOmnMgffI/AAAAAAAAACU/Fsof91CVdNk/s1600/Aldo%20GIF%20Gamburyan%202.gif

[9erempiree]

I think Bruce may actually have a chance vs Mayweather, but someone said he would also beat the best MMA fighter of same weight class, that's what I can't fathom. Someone like Jose Aldo would maul Lee.

http://www.mmaverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jose-aldo-double-flying-knee-cub-swanson.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9lFnD6GVl4I/TTiOmnMgffI/AAAAAAAAACU/Fsof91CVdNk/s1600/Aldo%20GIF%20Gamburyan%202.gif

Lee would just smash him in the throat or a kick to the nuts or rip dudes eyes out.

[NZStreetBaller]

In a stand up bruce would smash anyone his size. he had lightning bolt reactions and was exceptionally strong for his size. no ground game though

[sweggeh]

I think Bruce may actually have a chance vs Mayweather, but someone said he would also beat the best MMA fighter of same weight class, that's what I can't fathom. Someone like Jose Aldo would maul Lee.

http://www.mmaverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jose-aldo-double-flying-knee-cub-swanson.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9lFnD6GVl4I/TTiOmnMgffI/AAAAAAAAACU/Fsof91CVdNk/s1600/Aldo%20GIF%20Gamburyan%202.gif

See, this is what people dont understand. Bruce Lee was SO ahead of his time, that what he invented and started has been copied the world over and replicated and refined. Bruce Lee was one of the revolutionaries who began mixed martial arts. Saying someone like Aldo who is proficient and has had 40+ years of MMA knowledge over Bruce Lee is stupid. Its like saying I know more about science than Galileo, which is true because of the time I live in. Its like saying a electrician nowadays is smarter than Thomas Edinson because he know more about electricity and how it works. Thats stupid. Aldo of today may possibly have beaten Lee of 40 years ago, but its not a level playing field because Aldo is the result of the work and ingenuity of people like Bruce Lee. Aldo is just a fighter, Bruce Lee is a revolutionary who created and redefined a large aspect of fighting. If Bruce Lee was born in the same era as Aldo, and he retained his thirst for fighting knowledge he had all those years ago, I have no doubt he would be the worlds greatest fighter.

[9erempiree]

See, this is what people dont understand. Bruce Lee was SO ahead of his time, that what he invented and started has been copied the world over and replicated and refined. Bruce Lee was one of the revolutionaries who began mixed martial arts. Saying someone like Aldo who is proficient and has had 40+ years of MMA knowledge over Bruce Lee is stupid. Its like saying I know more about science than Galileo, which is true because of the time I live in. Its like saying a electrician nowadays is smarter than Thomas Edinson because he know more about electricity and how it works. Thats stupid. Aldo of today may possibly have beaten Lee of 40 years ago, but its not a level playing field because Aldo is the result of the work and ingenuity of people like Bruce Lee. Aldo is just a fighter, Bruce Lee is a revolutionary who created and redefined a large aspect of fighting. If Bruce Lee was born in the same era as Aldo, and he retained his thirst for fighting knowledge he had all those years ago, I have no doubt he would be the worlds greatest fighter.

The best post in this thread besides the many gems that I posted myself.

I regard those that are "ahead of their time" to be the greatest men ever, with the likes of Da Vinci andf Frank Lloyd Wright.

[9erempiree]

There is really no way someone can argue against Lee from a scientific standpoint. Then again, we have idiots on here. Their argument is invalid and "appeals to ignorance." Yes, there are terms for some of their logic.

"If Einstein invented the steam engine, then he is a great scientist. He didn't create the steam engine. So he is not a great scientist." -Invalid

"We cannot prove that Lee was a great fighter. Therefore, he is not a great fighter." -Ignorance:facepalm

[sweggeh]

Yep, I agree completely. There are many accounts of first hand witness and recorded video of things Bruce Lee did that would actually be considered super human.

The guy invented the dragon flag.

http://bodybymarco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dragon-flag_step11.jpeg http://bodybymarco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dragon-flag_step2.jpeg

The guy couldnt use any non metallic punch bag under 300 pounds, because he would break them. He once gave a guy whiplash just by kicking the punch bag while the guy was holding it.

The guy used to throw rice in the air and catch the individual pieces with chopsticks. He had a trick where he would tell a person to hold a coin and stand a few feet away. He would instruct them to close their palm as soon as they saw him move, and he would always get the coin, but he was so fast he actually replaced the coin with another and no one knew until they opened their palm and saw the coin had changed.

He also invented the one inch punch, a punch so devastating that scientists had no clue as to how it was even possible to generate that much force from so close in. The six inch punch was even stronger.

http://cosmicbuddha.com/wp-content/uploads/one-inch_punch.gifhttp://cosmicbuddha.com/wp-content/uploads/six-inch_punch.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

Yep, I agree completely. There are many accounts of first hand witness and recorded video of things Bruce Lee did that would actually be considered super human.

The guy invented the dragon flag.

http://bodybymarco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dragon-flag_step11.jpeg http://bodybymarco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dragon-flag_step2.jpeg

The guy couldnt use any non metallic punch bag under 300 pounds, because he would break them. He once gave a guy whiplash just by kicking the punch bag while the guy was holding it.

The guy used to throw rice in the air and catch the individual pieces with chopsticks. He had a trick where he would tell a person to hold a coin and stand a few feet away. He would instruct them to close their palm as soon as they saw him move, and he would always get the coin, but he was so fast he actually replaced the coin with another and no one knew until they opened their palm and saw the coin had changed.

He also invented the one inch punch, a punch so devastating that scientists had no clue as to how it was even possible to generate that much force from so close in. The six inch punch was even stronger.

http://cosmicbuddha.com/wp-content/uploads/one-inch_punch.gifhttp://cosmicbuddha.com/wp-content/uploads/six-inch_punch.gif
Notice how the chairs slide back perfectly.

LMAO.

[nathanjizzle]

wow, how is this even a debate? bruce lee would murk mayweather. bruce lee does with his legs to what mayweather does with his arms. and we all know a kick is more dangerous than a punch. any fighter that trains fighting with his legs would murk mayweather, any muy thai fighter would murk mayweather.

trying to put a boxer up against an all around fighter is a handicap. come on, think you ish nerds.

[sweggeh]

wow, how is this even a debate? bruce lee would murk mayweather common. bruce lee does with his legs to what mayweather does with his arms. and we all know a kick is more dangerous than a punch. any fighter that trains fighting with his legs would murk mayweather, any muy thai fighter would murk mayweather.

Plus Bruce Lee was a boxer too, he won many boxing tournaments so its not like Mayweather would just wipe the floor with him in a boxing match. Add Lee's kicks and grapples and its game over.

[9erempiree]

One good thing about this thread is that I know who to filter out.

It basically tells me who to ignore and I don't usually ignore but I have to.

Time to hit up the ignore.:banana:

I will apologize to those won't get a reply from me.

[Im Still Ballin]

MMA match: Lee wins
Boxing: Mayweather
Kickboxing: Lee wipes the floor with him

[andgar923]

Al Bundy has been training with the Gracies for decades. He's a legit fighter.

And he's not a celeb that shows up every now and then, he's a dedicated fighter that practices hard almost every day and has done so for (again) decades.

I doubt the Gracies will simply hand him a belt for shits and giggles.

[AintNoSunshine]

What Lee does cannot be broadcasted to the public, some effective tactics aren't allowed in sports. But just because you haven't seen him in a ring doesn't neccesarily mean he wasn't a great fighter, of course it doesn't have to mean he was great either. Because none of us have seen it.

But what I did see was his amazing power for his size, his unprecedented speed of his strikes, he's work ethnic and the fact that he broke fighting down to a science and spent his entire life to study it.

I got my money on Lee, without a doubt against Floyd, but also against Tyson simply because they are both boxers who have never defended against kicks before in their lives.

[IamRAMBO24]

There is really no way someone can argue against Lee from a scientific standpoint. Then again, we have idiots on here. Their argument is invalid and "appeals to ignorance." Yes, there are terms for some of their logic.

"If Einstein invented the steam engine, then he is a great scientist. He didn't create the steam engine. So he is not a great scientist." -Invalid

"We cannot prove that Lee was a great fighter. Therefore, he is not a great fighter." -Ignorance:facepalm

These arguments are for fun. Chill out. I really don't understand why posters around here take these discussions so personally to the point they have to ignore someone, neg them, or outright troll them. It's so beta.

[DonDadda59]

The guy couldnt use any non metallic punch bag under 300 pounds, because he would break them. He once gave a guy whiplash just by kicking the punch bag while the guy was holding it.

The guy used to throw rice in the air and catch the individual pieces with chopsticks. He had a trick where he would tell a person to hold a coin and stand a few feet away. He would instruct them to close their palm as soon as they saw him move, and he would always get the coin, but he was so fast he actually replaced the coin with another and no one knew until they opened their palm and saw the coin had changed

Holy shit. It's official. Bruce Lee is the Earl 'the Goat' Manigault of Martial Arts. Right down to the coin-changing myth. Unreal :oldlol:

How old are you guys? :confusedshrug:


:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm

That's not me saying it, that's Judo HW world champion-10th degree black belt in Judo, 9th degree in jiujitsu- and trainer of both Lee and Rousey saying it. But what does he know, right? All he did was see Bruce's capabilities up close for over a year. But you, random nigguh, heard stories about Bruce plucking rice out of the air with chopsticks and catching bullets with his teeth so f*ck what Judo Gene has to say right?

:lol

[BigBoss]

I think Bruce may actually have a chance vs Mayweather, but someone said he would also beat the best MMA fighter of same weight class, that's what I can't fathom. Someone like Jose Aldo would maul Lee.

http://www.mmaverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jose-aldo-double-flying-knee-cub-swanson.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9lFnD6GVl4I/TTiOmnMgffI/AAAAAAAAACU/Fsof91CVdNk/s1600/Aldo%20GIF%20Gamburyan%202.gif

:roll: do your homework

[sweggeh]

Holy shit. It's official. Bruce Lee is the Earl 'the Goat' Manigault of Martial Arts. Right down to the coin-changing myth. Unreal :oldlol:

How old are you guys? :confusedshrug:



That's not me saying it, that's Judo HW world champion-10th degree black belt in Judo, 9th degree in jiujitsu- and trainer of both Lee and Rousey saying it. But what does he know, right? All he did was see Bruce's capabilities up close for over a year. But you, random nigguh, heard stories about Bruce plucking rice out of the air with chopsticks and catching bullets with his teeth so f*ck what Judo Gene has to say right?

:lol

So damn disrespectful :facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

Holy shit. It's official. Bruce Lee is the Earl 'the Goat' Manigault of Martial Arts. Right down to the coin-changing myth. Unreal :oldlol:

How old are you guys? :confusedshrug:



That's not me saying it, that's Judo HW world champion-10th degree black belt in Judo, 9th degree in jiujitsu- and trainer of both Lee and Rousey saying it. But what does he know, right? All he did was see Bruce's capabilities up close for over a year. But you, random nigguh, heard stories about Bruce plucking rice out of the air with chopsticks and catching bullets with his teeth so f*ck what Judo Gene has to say right?

:lol

Some of the arguments for Bruce is legit.

He is very fast and strong in switching from boxing, kicking, and grappling, whereas, Mayweather is only known to box. There is no element of surprise and when Bruce gets him into a choke hold, he prob can't counter it because he has not been trained properly to get out of a submission. Mayweather can box all he wants and his focus is prob in the upper body and hands; Bruce can sneak in a lower kick along with a flurry of punching moves.

A boxer is too one dimensional; it does not matter how good he is, in a fight where all elements of attack is being ultilized, he is automatically at a disadvantage since he does not know how to do anything other than strike with his hands.

[sweggeh]

Some of the arguments for Bruce is legit.

He is very fast and strong in switching from boxing, kicking, and grappling, whereas, Mayweather is only known to box. There is no element of surprise and when Bruce gets him into a choke hold, he prob can't counter it because he has not been trained properly to get out of a submission. Mayweather can box all he wants and his focus is prob in the upper body and hands; Bruce can sneak in a lower kick along with a flurry of punching moves.

A boxer is too one dimensional; it does not matter how good he is, in a fight where all elements of attack is being ultilized, he is automatically at a disadvantage since he does not know how to do anything other than strike with his hands.

Yep definitely this.

[DonDadda59]

So damn disrespectful :facepalm

I'm just keeping it real homie. I would expect a 5 year old who watches Power Rangers to believe the shit you posted. But a grown ass man who should have some sense?

All of the footage I've seen of Lee sparring, working the heavy bags, etc just scream amateur. He made a great choice by never once squaring up against real fighters. Good thing he stuck to 1-6 inch punch exhibitions against cab drivers and left early when the actual fighting was about to go down.

[sweggeh]

I'm just keeping it real homie. I would expect a 5 year old who watches Power Rangers to believe the shit you posted. But a grown ass man who should have some sense?

All of the footage I've seen of Lee sparring, working the heavy bags, etc just scream amateur. He made a great choice by never once squaring up against real fighters. Good thing he stuck to 1-6 inch punch exhibitions against cab drivers and left early when the actual fighting was about to go down.

You are so disrespectful you are claiming him to have been a myth when there are many people who witnessed his feats. He essentially invented the martial arts people are using right now, yet you claim people who benefitted from his teaching would beat the master himself?

I posted this before, but it needs to be reiterated.


See, this is what people dont understand. Bruce Lee was SO ahead of his time, that what he invented and started has been copied the world over and replicated and refined. Bruce Lee was one of the revolutionaries who began mixed martial arts. Saying someone like Aldo who is proficient and has had 40+ years of MMA knowledge over Bruce Lee is stupid. Its like saying I know more about science than Galileo, which is true because of the time I live in. Its like saying a electrician nowadays is smarter than Thomas Edison because he know more about electricity and how it works. Thats stupid. Aldo of today may possibly have beaten Lee of 40 years ago, but its not a level playing field because Aldo is the result of the work and ingenuity of people like Bruce Lee. Aldo is just a fighter, Bruce Lee is a revolutionary who created and redefined a large aspect of fighting. If Bruce Lee was born in the same era as Aldo, and he retained his thirst for fighting knowledge he had all those years ago, I have no doubt he would be the worlds greatest fighter.

[red1]

dondadda just shitting on these clowns. this is what happens when logic and common sense meets blind hero worship

[sweggeh]

dondadda just shitting on these clowns. this is what happens when logic and common sense meets blind hero worship

Another Bruce Lee hater. :facepalm

[iamgine]

See, this is what people dont understand. Bruce Lee was SO ahead of his time, that what he invented and started has been copied the world over and replicated and refined. Bruce Lee was one of the revolutionaries who began mixed martial arts. Saying someone like Aldo who is proficient and has had 40+ years of MMA knowledge over Bruce Lee is stupid. Its like saying I know more about science than Galileo, which is true because of the time I live in. Its like saying a electrician nowadays is smarter than Thomas Edinson because he know more about electricity and how it works. Thats stupid. Aldo of today may possibly have beaten Lee of 40 years ago, but its not a level playing field because Aldo is the result of the work and ingenuity of people like Bruce Lee. Aldo is just a fighter, Bruce Lee is a revolutionary who created and redefined a large aspect of fighting. If Bruce Lee was born in the same era as Aldo, and he retained his thirst for fighting knowledge he had all those years ago, I have no doubt he would be the worlds greatest fighter.
Lee was indeed a revolutionary and a legend.

But there's no proof whatsoever that he was ever a great fighter, even in his own era.

[DonDadda59]

You are so disrespectful you are claiming him to have been a myth when there are many people who witnessed his feats.

Go back some, I posted quotes from actual fighters who spent considerable time training with Lee who say he was nothing more than an actor and teacher, but nothing remotely close to a fighter. Because that's the truth. You can't name a single fighter who Bruce Lee actually fought on the record. All you have is bullshit stories about him plucking rice out of the air with chopsticks and snatching $20 bills off the top of the backboard.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3747350/chopsticks-o.gif




He essentially invented the martial arts people are using right now, yet you claim people who benefitted from his teaching would beat the master himself?

Plenty of people have 'invented' their own Martial Art. Chuck Norris, who was an actual, proven world champion who would've toyed with the amateur Lee in an actual fight, invented his own system of Martial Arts- Chun Kuk Do.


I posted this before, but it needs to be reiterated.

Actually this needs to be reiterated- Bruce Lee showing off his boxing skills (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObGLTfJa1w)

^Seriously? :oldlol:

[red1]

Another Bruce Lee hater. :facepalm
Im not a hater at all. I acknowledge that he was a very intelligent man who was ahead of his time but I dont buy into the myth of him being some legendary fighter. Especially when there is ZERO proof to back up such an assertion.


Lee was indeed a revolutionary and a legend.

But there's no proof whatsoever that he was ever a great fighter, even in his own era.
Bingo.

[LJJ]

When arguing about "who would win in a fight". We are actually arguing about how many seconds into the first round Bruce would last, right?

[DonDadda59]

Im not a hater at all. I acknowledge that he was a very intelligent man who was ahead of his time but I dont buy into the myth of him being some legendary fighter. Especially when there is ZERO proof to back up such an assertion.


Bingo.

Exactly. Like I said before, I like Bruce Lee, enjoyed his movies. He was the major driving force in introducing the West to Eastern Martial Arts and Philosophy in an era that was overtly racist and xenophobic (prime example was him losing out 'Kung Fu', a show he developed, to the Caucasian David Carradine). The study of martial arts exploded in the U.S. after he came onto the scene in the Green Hornet and his films.

But for some reason this myth about his fighting abilities took off after his death and he was turned into a modern Achilles without any weaknesses. But the truth is, he never once fought another trained fighter on the record. All that exists about his fighting exploits is vague stories about street fights no one can verify, and him possibly beating up a random extra on one of his movie sets.

He sure did rub shoulders with a lot of champion fighters during his day though. Just never wanted to have anything to do with them in an actual fight.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lee was indeed a revolutionary and a legend.

But there's no proof whatsoever that he was ever a great fighter, even in his own era.

By this logic, shaolin monks who train their entire lives and navy seals are not true fighters since they have not engage in tournaments for monetary gain.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lee was a quick learner and could easily adapt any attack and counter defense into his repertoire. He coined this "free form" fighting and invented mma off this premise. Those who have seen him action (including many tournament fighters) said he was a beast of nature and had the upmost respect for him.

[iamgine]

By this logic, shaolin monks who train their entire lives and navy seals are not true fighters since they have not engage in tournaments for monetary gain.
First, differentiate "true fighter" and "great fighter".

Second, you would be right in saying they are not great fighters but your reasoning is wrong.

Surely a few of them are great fighters but most of them are not.

[IamRAMBO24]

First, differentiate "true fighter" and "great fighter".

Second, you would be right in saying they are not great fighters but your reasoning is wrong.

Surely a few of them are great fighters but most of them are not.

Your reasoning is wrong. Your assertion is that only american fighters who fight for money could be consider true fighters when that is far from the truth. There are many great martial artists all over the world and in history that have never been in an american tournament. Just because they have not been in these tournaments does not mean they cannot fight. Chuck Norris trained with Bruce Lee for 3 years way before he was the world champion. He said Bruce Lee was incredibly strong and one of the best fighters he had ever seen. Had Bruce kept training with Chuck and fought in these tournaments, he would of been one of the best.

I mean sh*t the best fighter at the time said he was a beast of nature; that should at least lend some credibility to his skills .. and oh yea he also invented mma .. yea that means nothing. If Jordan said a baller was the best he has ever seen, that means that guy must be damn good for the best to say something like that. I mean he must be a beast .. yea like what Norris said about Lee.

[iamgine]

Your reasoning is wrong. Your assertion is that only american fighters who fight for money could be consider true fighters when that is far from the truth. There are many great martial artists all over the world and in history that have never been in an american tournament. Just because they have not been in these tournaments they cannot fight.
Umm nowhere did I say they cannot fight.

[IamRAMBO24]

Umm nowhere did I say they cannot fight.

You said he hasn't been proven as a fighter; by proven, you said he needed to fight in american tournaments.

To me, he has credibility based on a number of factors:

1. True masters and some of the best fighters in the world speak very highly of him. They have sparred with him, fought with him, and for them to come out and say he was a true master shows he truly can fight and not a fake like Dondadda is making him out to be.

2. He trained with Chuck Norris for 3 years before he went and did movies; Chuck went on to be the world champion. Chuck said Bruce was incredibly strong and a quick learner. In his own words, he was a "giant" .. a beast of nature. It is safe to theorize had Bruce stayed on course and fought in the tournaments, he would of dominated it.

3. We can see his quickness and strength in these live videos. We know the man is quick, strong, and had such a deep knowledge of fighting (he invented it for crying out loud) he would be perfectly adept against any challenger.

4. He invented mma. It is the most widely used fighting style today. He is a master. A revolutionary. This alone should be reason enough to place him in the upper echelon of the world of martial arts.

[sweggeh]

You said he hasn't been proven as a fighter; by proven, you said he needed to fight in american tournaments.

To me, he has credibility based on a number of factors:

1. True masters and some of the best fighters in the world speak very highly of him. They have sparred with him, fought with him, and for them to come out and say he was a true master shows he truly can fight and not a fake like Dondadda is making him out to be.

2. He trained with Chuck Norris for 3 years before he went and did movies; Chuck went on to be the world champion. Chuck said Bruce was incredibly strong and a quick learner. In his own words, he was a "giant" .. a beast of nature. It is safe to theorize had Bruce stayed on course and fought in the tournaments, he would of dominated it.

3. We can see his quickness and strength in these live videos. We know the man is quick, strong, and had such a deep knowledge of fighting (he invented it for crying out loud) he would be perfectly adept against any challenger.

4. He invented mma. It is the most widely used fighting style today. He is a master. A revolutionary. This alone should be reason enough to place him in the upper echelon of the world of martial arts.

:applause:

People out here saying Rousey would beat Bruce Lee :oldlol:

[iamgine]

by proven, you said he needed to fight in american tournaments.


Again, nowhere had I said that.

Your other points had already been addressed.

[IamRAMBO24]

Again, nowhere had I said that.

Your other points had already been addressed.

You said he hasn't proven himself. By proven, you meant he did not fight in these american tournaments. In fact, at the time, there were many great fighters in china (shaolin monks) and around the world who didn't engage in these tournaments. It is a small pool to assess true talent. You can't agree with Dondadda and say someone is not a true fighter just because he did not fight in these tournaments when the US didn't even produce the best talents in the martial arts world at the time.

[iamgine]

You said he hasn't proven himself. By proven, you meant he did not fight in these american tournaments.
Umm 100% not what I meant at all.

Like to make stuff up aren't you. :lol

[gts]

You said he hasn't been proven as a fighter; by proven, you said he needed to fight in american tournaments.

To me, he has credibility based on a number of factors:

1. True masters and some of the best fighters in the world speak very highly of him. They have sparred with him, fought with him, and for them to come out and say he was a true master shows he truly can fight and not a fake like Dondadda is making him out to be.

2. He trained with Chuck Norris for 3 years before he went and did movies; Chuck went on to be the world champion. Chuck said Bruce was incredibly strong and a quick learner. In his own words, he was a "giant" .. a beast of nature. It is safe to theorize had Bruce stayed on course and fought in the tournaments, he would of dominated it.

3. We can see his quickness and strength in these live videos. We know the man is quick, strong, and had such a deep knowledge of fighting (he invented it for crying out loud) he would be perfectly adept against any challenger.

4. He invented mma. It is the most widely used fighting style today. He is a master. A revolutionary. This alone should be reason enough to place him in the upper echelon of the world of martial arts.


Good post/thoughts

[KNOW1EDGE]

Bruce Lee would break Floyd Mayweathers shins with his leg kicks in the first round. Floyd is a puncher. Bruce is a very highly trained martial artist who indeed DID partake in competitive "fights" and would f*ck up any boxer his size

[DonDadda59]

People out here saying Rousey would beat Bruce Lee :oldlol:

Actually, the person who said that was the guy who trained both of them. But what does he know, right? Bruce would use his one inch punch or five finger exploding heart technique to annihilate her and then eat rice out of mid air with his chop sticks while snatching coins off the top of backboards, right?

Grow up.


Bruce is a very highly trained martial artist who indeed DID partake in competitive "fights"

Oh yeah... against whom?

[sweggeh]

Actually, the person who said that was the guy who trained both of them. But what does he know, right? Bruce would use his one inch punch or five finger exploding heart technique to annihilate her and then eat rice out of mid air with his chop sticks while snatching coins off the top of backboards, right?

Grow up.



Oh yeah... against whom?

At the age of 18 he entered the 1958 Chinese Boxing Championship and defeated the 3 time reigning champion Gary Elms. He also won many other fights before turning his attentions to teaching and inventing new ways of fighting while also being a huge movie star.

Bruce is stronger, faster and one punch from him in Rouseys face and she would know her place, and that isnt in arguments with guys like Mayweather and Bruce Lee.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Oh yeah... against whom?

Do you want their names? They arent current fighters. And you wouldn't know who they are. But if you really want their names im sure you could do some research and dig up their names. Bruce Lee fought other martial artists. If your curious, you should check out one of the Bruce Lee documentaries on Net Flix or On Demand. -Some great footage along with stories from the people closest to Bruce

[DonDadda59]

At the age of 18 he entered the 1958 Chinese Boxing Championship and defeated the 3 time reigning champion Gary Elms. He also won many other fights before turning his attentions to teaching and inventing new ways of fighting while also being a huge movie star.

Reigning champion in what exactly?

I'm not seeing any record of a boxer named Gary Elms ever existing, let alone him fighting Bruce Lee when they were kids. In fact the only place he shows up is on sites where depending on which 'eyewitness testimony' you're going by he either got KO'd by Bruce in 3 rounds or went the distance but lost.



Bruce is stronger, faster and one punch from him in Rouseys face and she would know her place, and that isnt in arguments with guys like Mayweather and Bruce Lee.

Again, I hate to burst the one inch punch bubble but this is Bruce's actual punching technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObGLTfJa1w

Dude wouldn't do a thing to anyone on that level of fighting. Miesha Tate could give him a lesson on how to throw an actual punch.


Do you want their names? They arent current fighters. And you wouldn't know who they are.

You act like I'm asking you to give me names of random foot soldiers who fought in the Trojan War.

There are tons of guys who were active fighters at the same time Bruce was punching construction workers at tournaments. You can look up their records and actually watch their fights. But with the greatest fighter of all time, the invincible one, it's "oh yeah, he fought a bunch of guys... but you wouldn't know em. Footage? No, there was no footage of these fights. There were no video cameras in the 50s-70s"

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We all agree none of them could beat Mike Tyson right?

[9erempiree]

Again, I hate to burst the one inch punch bubble but this is Bruce's actual punching technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObGLTfJa1w

Dude wouldn't do a thing to anyone on that level of fighting. Miesha Tate could give him a lesson on how to throw an actual punch.



RIP Mayweather.

Lee was hitting the bag like prime Tyson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQg_f5q4Kk

[DonDadda59]

RIP Mayweather.

Lee was hitting the bag like prime Tyson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQg_f5q4Kk

Manny Pacquiao is the same size as Lee was (About 5'6-5'7" 140lbs). Compare his work on a heavy bag to Lee's thumbs up/girl fight technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7dB_4yXPv4

And here's another martial artist who was the same size as Lee (5'6" 140lbs) who fought actual, world class, champion level competition in full contact during the same time Lee was making movies and 1 inch punching the grounds crew of tournament arenas (60s-70s):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7beh4v5c5c

I can find names, dates, fight night weights, etc of his opponents because he has an actual fighting record. I even have crisp, clear video of his fights. But for the greatest fighter ever... nothing? :confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

Manny Pacquiao is the same size as Lee was (About 5'6-5'7" 140lbs). Compare his work on a heavy bag to Lee's thumbs up/girl fight technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7dB_4yXPv4

And here's another martial artist who was the same size as Lee (5'6" 140lbs) who fought actual, world class, champion level competition in full contact during the same time Lee was making movies and 1 inch punching the grounds crew of tournament arenas (60s-70s):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7beh4v5c5c

I can find names, dates, fight night weights, etc of his opponents because he has an actual fighting record. I even have crisp, clear video of his fights. But for the greatest fighter ever... nothing? :confusedshrug:

Legendary bag workouts. Tyson and Pacman are quite impressive. Every time I watch them it always remind me of Lee's bag routine. That power.

Lee's bag workout basically became the benchmark in what how modern fighters should hit it.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Plus Bruce Lee was a boxer too, he won many boxing tournaments so its not like Mayweather would just wipe the floor with him in a boxing match. Add Lee's kicks and grapples and its game over.

LMAO @ a guy with zero professional fights hanging with Money in a boxing match. If Lee even entertains the idea of engaging Floyd in standup he'd get smashed.

A boxer only needs to get in close to nullify a kickboxer's long kicks, at that point it's curtains.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Legendary bag workouts. Tyson and Pacman are quite impressive. Every time I watch them it always remind me of Lee's bag routine. That power.

Lee's bag workout basically became the benchmark in what how modern fighters should hit it.

You're yanking our chains now. Lee's work on the heavy bag was pure 100% amateur hour. It's an example of how NOT to hit it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

We all agree none of them could beat Mike Tyson right?

We all agree we could all beat Mike Tython

[DonDadda59]

LMAO @ a guy with zero professional fights hanging with Money in a boxing match. If Lee even entertains the idea of engaging Floyd in standup he'd get smashed.

A boxer only needs to get in close to nullify a kickboxer's long kicks, at that point it's curtains.

Yeah, even Joe Lewis who used to train with Lee said a lot of what he did was just for the cameras. Like he would always start from a long distance on his sidekicks because it made punching bags move and looked good on film. But in actual fight, like what Lewis used to engage in, it was completely useless:


DW Forum - I read a story about Bruce going over to your house and not being impressed with the size of your heavy bag and called it a girls bag, and I think he asked Herb Jackson was it, to make him a man sized man. It weighed 700lbs and if I remember the story correctly you along with Bob Wall set it up for him and then hid in a bush. Bruce kicked it and landed in a heap. I hope I've got this all right or else I'll look like a bit of a dip Anyway can you remember this day and what did you think when he kicked the bag and landed on the floor. Did he ever move the big bag at all, what was his sidekick power like on the bag?

Joe Lewis - I do not remember much about that 700 pound bag. It sounds like one of those old rumors. Bruce had a good fast side kick but if you watch some of those old atapes, you can tell he always lunged from too great a distance. This makes the bag move but throws your timing way off. You need to be close to the target when you fire so your reaction time and your response time are quick, not just one. Timeing speed is both.You should never work with a bag weighing more than l00 pounds, and I mean never. If anyone tells you different, they do not know what they are talking about. Bannana bags are different for the low cut kicks.

DW Forum - Lately I've heard things like "Bruce Lee could hit seven times in a second"...I personally believe it is crap. I mean how could anybody test speed of punches without todays fast-cameras and all that stuff?I'm told my wing chun instructor punches seven hits on a second (in the air of course).Have you heard of it? I guess it's a proof of a quickness....maybe Bruce talked about it?

Joe Lewis - Please, drop all the stuff you've heard. Martial arts is full of nonsense. Only believe what you have seen or can prove. Show me more than three real punches in a second and I will kiss your butt. ON film, Ali's jab took 7 frames to complete, and Sugar Ray's took 9 frames. A second of film takes 24 frames. Simple math guys. Three real punches per second and that is it. Less talk and more proof. Let's get in the ring and show off some of these secrets. They pay millions of dollars. That beats eating rice all your life and teaching martial arts forever anytime?

DW Forum - Can you tell a bit us of your training days with Bruce Lee & Bob Wall? How many training sessions in total did you have with Bruce & over that period of time? What is your opinion of Bruce as a fighter? Would he have been able to go 10 or 12 rounds with someone such as yourself or Chuck Norris? It is rumoured that Bruce Lee & Chuck Norris had a sparing session in that Chuck Norris was left red-faced. I assume this to mean he lost and was embarassed. Do you know ot have you anything about this ? Is there any truth in it. Can you tell us about the incident where Bruce kept teasing you about kicking a girl sized bag (Becuase you kept busting 100lb bags with your kicks). And you guys (Bob wall etc) made him a man sized bag (300lb). Did you ever meet or have a chance to talk to Jim Kelly ?

Joe Lewis - I learn fast. I made black belt in one year in Okinawa in three different styles. I am a fast learning. I can get all your stuff in a matter of weeks, and I mean anybody who can fight. I worked with Bruce less than two years before we grew apart. We used to work together for 6 to 8 hours at a time. I would be at his house at one in the afternoon, and not leave until maybe ten that night. Is that one lesson? Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher.

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/joelewis.html

[9erempiree]

You're yanking our chains now. Lee's work on the heavy bag was pure 100% amateur hour. It's an example of how NOT to hit it.
:facepalm

Please stop trolling. When we all know Lee was before Tyson and Pac. Like I said, when I watch good bag workouts, I always get reminded of Lee's.

[red1]

:facepalm

Please stop trolling. When we all know Lee was before Tyson and Pac. Like I said, when I watch good bag workouts, I always get reminded of Lee's.
pacman as a fighter >> lee

[sweggeh]

pacman as a fighter >> lee

Like I have said, comparing saying any modern fighter is better than Bruce Lee is like saying I know more about science than Galileo. Which is true, because of the times we live in. It however doesnt mean I am smarter than he was. In fact the reason I am able to know this is because of people like Galileo. Its the same for Lee and todays fighter. Lee died 40+ years ago. MMA has had 40 years to advance from Lee's time, so obviously the fighters today will be more proficient than Lee was at fighting because they know so much more, which they wouldnt know if innovators like Bruce Lee didnt exist.

Thats why I will stick with saying Lee is a better fighter than pretty much everyone out here today. Just as Galileo is smarter than me despite me knowing more, Lee is a better fighter despite it being argued they could defeat him in a fight.

[red1]

Like I have said, comparing saying any modern fighter is better than Bruce Lee is like saying I know more about science than Galileo. Which is true, because of the times we live in. It however doesnt mean I am smarter than he was. In fact the reason I am able to know this is because of people like Galileo. Its the same for Lee and todays fighter. Lee died 40+ years ago. MMA has had 40 years to advance from Lee's time, so obviously the fighters today will be more proficient than Lee was at fighting because they know so much more, which they wouldnt know if innovators like Bruce Lee didnt exist.

Thats why I will stick with saying Lee is a better fighter than pretty much everyone out here today. Just as Galileo is smarter than me despite me knowing more, Lee is a better fighter despite it being argued they could defeat him in a fight.
read the bold:

Who would win in a fight?


Bruce Lee - 160 lbs 5'7''

VS

Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 151 lbs 5'8''



we aren't discussing who is/was more influential, we are discussing who would win a fight

[sweggeh]

read the bold:



we aren't discussing who is/was more influential, we are discussing who would win a fight

If Lee was brought back to life in modern times and given a few years to train, he would surpass the levels of most fighters on this Earth. Dude was a fighting machine and mastermind combo. Who knows what new styles and techniques we would have today if he hadnt died so young.

[IamRAMBO24]

read the bold:



we aren't discussing who is/was more influential, we are discussing who would win a fight

Yes we are having fun with this. Nobody is talking about this in a factual manner other than Dondadda and 9, hence why the debate has gotten so heated.

As a hypothetical, I will have to go with Lee since he would prob choke the f*ck out of Mayweather if they ever get close. Mayweather would submit easily since he has never been trained to counter mma. He is a great boxer don't get me wrong, but fighting is not just about boxing. You can take out your opponent in a variety of ways, which makes Lee's skills more lethal as a fighter.

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Typical ISH a simple question turns into a heated shit fest:facepalm :roll:

[Beatlezz]

Floyd outpoints him in a boxing match.
Bruce Lee murders him in a mma/street fight.

[Rodmantheman]

Floyd outpoints him in a boxing match.
Bruce Lee murders him in a mma/street fight.

simple post:applause:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Floyd outpoints him in a boxing match.
Bruce Lee murders him in a mma/street fight.

YOP

Its pretty straight forward and easy to comprehend

[ThePhantomCreep]

Floyd could beat him only punching with his right hand in a street fight, would probably be even easier than boxing him.
Dude, Lee would totally one-inch punch Floyd to death.:roll:

The power of movies on full display here.

[red1]

Go back some, I posted quotes from actual fighters who spent considerable time training with Lee who say he was nothing more than an actor and teacher, but nothing remotely close to a fighter. Because that's the truth. You can't name a single fighter who Bruce Lee actually fought on the record. All you have is bullshit stories about him plucking rice out of the air with chopsticks and snatching $20 bills off the top of the backboard.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3747350/chopsticks-o.gif

:roll: underrated post

[DonDadda59]

:roll: underrated post

Legend has it Bruce taught Earl the GOAT everything he knew.

http://youtu.be/ynk2XtGnMgc?t=50s :bowdown:

Bruce used to snatch the cash with chopsticks doe.

[iamgine]

If Lee was brought back to life in modern times and given a few years to train, he would surpass the levels of most fighters on this Earth. Dude was a fighting machine and mastermind combo. Who knows what new styles and techniques we would have today if he hadnt died so young.

Why would he? He didn't even surpass the fighters in his own era.