Question for Atheist/Non Believers

[Nowitness]

If there is no God then where does out morality come from? If there is no God we can do whatever we want (as the incestious crazed Nietzsche once argued if there is no God then we simply have will to power).

[Im Still Ballin]

Humans made morals

[CelticBaller]

decades of ethics and morals coming from ancient religions made to civilized and establish kinship among tribes? :confusedshrug:

not an atheist doe

[Nowitness]

Humans made morals

Actually the Bible laid them out for us. Before God gave us the bible we slaughtered everyone in sight, we raped and pilgrimaged, we stole and we worshiped strange Gods.

Nice try, no dogmatic Atheist can win in an argument.

[Nowitness]

decades of ethics and morals coming from ancient religions made to civilized and establish kinship among tribes? :confusedshrug:

not an atheist doe

Actually the Greeks threw 50 children into Volcano's when they erupted to appease Hephaestus. They had no morals, they were savage. Religion has saved most of humanity.

Stop pushing the Atheist agenda, any true Christian would know morals were created by God.

[Magic731]

Get an immortality ring and proceed to live however you damn well please.

[Nowitness]

Get an immortality ring and proceed to live however you damn well please.

Heaven is our immortality. Based on this hedonistic principle you desire you will rot in Hell.

[Im Still Ballin]

Let me lay it down for you Noah real quick

Humans exist. Act and form habits. Majority acts same. Habits become normal. We started acting in a normal way, acting differently is challenging the norm, ergo=wrong or immoral. Morality is based on how we act. We evolved, became smarter, acted and formed habits...blah blah blah fast forward to ancient empires... man creates religion.... some (or a majority) view it as dogma, system of morality goes in place...blah blah blah... year 2000: religion is huge, morality is still a large factor in it. Fast forward to today: nowitness posts on insidehoops basketball forum OTC section claiming God created morality. Please see this post.

Cheers!

[DonDadda59]

Actually the Bible laid them out for us. Before God gave us the bible we slaughtered everyone in sight, we raped and pilgrimaged, we stole and we worshiped strange Gods.

Nice try, no dogmatic Atheist can win in an argument.

Nothing but horseshit in the above post. :lol

[Nowitness]

I consider myself atheist-agnostic. 90% atheist, 10% agnostic. Something like that.

Compassion and empathy are qualities inherent to being human.

Or our religion is what separates. Dolphins have compassion, they have no place in Heaven or no real relevance to our meaning. God gave us more than simply these abilities (which were not characteristics of people before he gave us them with the Bible).

Please don't be fooled by the new Atheism.

[sweggeh]

I do not believe in any religion, as they have all been proven to contain errors, contradictions and mistakes. But I believe there is a creator who made all this possible, I just dont know who.

[Nowitness]

Nothing but horseshit in the above post. :lol

Give me empirical evidence this didn't happen. I can prove God's existence, simply look around.

[Im Still Ballin]

Religion is evil anyway

Why limit yourself to a false being. You are what you make of yourself

[Nowitness]

I do not believe in any religion, as they have all been proven to contain errors, contradictions and mistakes. But I believe there is a creator who made all this possible, I just dont know who.

Then you have sinned. God is our only God and worship of him is needed.

Nothing from religion has been proven wrong.

[Nowitness]

Religion is evil anyway

Why limit yourself to a false being. You are what you make of yourself

Atheism is just another way of obscuring the truth, that is to say Atheism is a way to escape sin and live a hedonistic life with no 'real' repercussion during purgatory - which is what we are in as we type - soon God will call you and send you to Hell.

[Magic731]

Honestly, questions like these never end well especially on the internet. At the end of the day you are set in what you believe and I doubt some poster on insidehoopa can change your mind. Religion is not something I think about often. I really don't care what others believe. Me personally, I guess that makes me an atheist since I have never read the bible and never been to church. I also have no desire to. However, I will never shoot someone down for believing or ask them a question to prove that something does/does not exist.

[Im Still Ballin]

ohhhhhhhhh my god shut up

[Nowitness]

ohhhhhhhhh my god shut up

I believe I won this. Enjoy your fornication, God will punish thee soon enough. I won't pray for you.

[DonDadda59]

Give me empirical evidence this didn't happen. I can prove God's existence, simply look around.

There are religious books and legal codes that predate the redacted Nicene Christian bible by centuries. And all of the murdering, 'pilgrimaging', etc that occurred before the writing of the select books of the bible that were canonized, still occurred afterwards... sometimes in the name of said writings.

[NumberSix]

Nice try, no dogmatic Atheist can win in an argument.
Morals don't exist. We mostly only do things out of self interest. As a society, we all agree to not accept things like murder and rape, not because of "morals" but out of self interest. If murder is acceptable, I'm going to get murdered at some point. If rape is acceptable, every woman is going to get raped. Because we as a society agree not to accept rape and murder, it grants us safety. If all of us agree not to murder, all of us get to live without being murdered.

[Nowitness]

There are religious books and legal codes that predate the redacted Nicene Christian bible by centuries. And all of the murdering, 'pilgrimaging', etc that occurred before the writing of the select books of the bible that were canonized, still occurred afterwards... sometimes in the name of said writings.

Never has religion done harm. Only people under the banner of.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I do not believe in any religion, as they have all been proven to contain errors, contradictions and mistakes. But I believe there is a creator who made all this possible, I just dont know who.

What in Islam has been proven wrong? It's one thing to have an opinion, but atheists spill more bs than any other religion really. Say random made up bullshit they just thought of just to get their point across.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Atheism is not a religion, and the burden of proof is on the believers.

The way yall go on about it sure does make it seem like a religion. Preaching your beliefs, telling others they are wrong and stupid for not believing like you, holding it close to your heart how you don't believe in god, etc.


You might be a more religious atheist than most on this site are religious christian/muslim/jew. :facepalm ****in extremist.

[DonDadda59]

Never has religion done harm. Only people under the banner of.

More horse shit. But regardless... what does any of that have to do with your original assertion that morality didn't exist before the bible? :confusedshrug:

The teachings of the Buddha and Zoroaster predate Christianity by 400-600 years. Hamarabi's code was written 1700+ years before Jesus supposedly existed.

So... yeah.

[ace23]

Give me empirical evidence this didn't happen. I can prove God's existence, simply look around.
Lol confirmed troll

[NumberSix]

What in Islam has been proven wrong?
Oh, I dunno. The flat earth, the flat sun, our sun being further away than the stars, the moon splitting open, women getting pregnant by semen mixing with period blood, mountains holding the earth in place to keep it from tipping over, earth was created in 6 days, winged horses with human heads, genies......

[Bosnian Sajo]

Please cite examples where I've done any such thing.

Trying to tell Nowitness that the bible is bs, and when he said to see a sign of god all you had to do was look around aka life all around the world, you said he was "trolling". You think what he said was so stupid to you, that he must be trolling.

I personally don't think ALL of the bible is bs, but it has been changed by man many times so imo there is some bs in there, but that is only looking at it from my pov as a Muslim.

[ace23]

Trying to tell Nowitness that the bible is bs, and when he said to see a sign of god all you had to do was look around aka life all around the world, you said he was "trolling". You think what he said was so stupid to you, that he must be trolling.
He's either trolling or does not know the definition of proof. He didn't say anything about seeing a "sign of god". He said that the world around is proof that there is a god.

[Nowitness]

I was trolling in fairness. Glad to see that the majority here are either Atheist or simply see religious B.S (I can't respect agnostics, they refuse to comment basically).

[ace23]

I was trolling in fairness. Glad to see that the majority here are either Atheist or simply see religious B.S (I can't respect agnostics, they refuse to comment basically).
I'd guess that most atheists are agnostic atheists.

[Nowitness]

I'd guess that most atheists are agnostic atheists.

Even still, it is still a withholding of position by saying I don't think there is a God but we can never know.

[Kblaze8855]

Saying we dont know is not only a valid position...its probably the only reasonable one if the other two are certian. Picking a side to say you chose makes no sense.

[Nowitness]

Saying we dont know is not only a valid position...its probably the only reasonable one if the other two are certian. Picking a side to say you chose makes no sense.

Agnosticism is the position of never knowing, which in turn means never needing to search.

Atheism/Antitheism is the position that there is no evidence for it so we don't believe it, and in turn we search for the real answer. Atheism is not certain, Richard Dawkins has openly said if there is proof he will believe, I am in the same boat (I'd be disappointed if it were true).

Religion is the position of believing that the world is known based on a book and that above all leads to us not looking for answers.

[Micku]

Agnosticism is the position of never knowing, which in turn means never needing to search.


I wouldn't say that of a definition of agnosticism. At least from what I read. Agnosticism is being in the position of a deity (or other things) are unknown and maybe forever unknown. So, that person is not classified of believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of a god. They don't know, which is a honest answer because nobody knows for sure.

I respect that answer a lot more since it is more honest. We don't know a lot things.

[Nowitness]

I wouldn't say that of a definition of agnosticism. At least from what I read. Agnosticism is being in the position of a deity (or other things) are unknown and maybe forever unknown. So, that person is not classified of believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of a god. They don't know, which is a honest answer because nobody knows for sure.

I respect that answer a lot more since it is more honest. We don't know a lot things.

Exactly as I said. If we concede we will never know where is the need to try?

[sweggeh]

What is it that when you believe in a higher being but dont follow any particular religion? I know the religions have a lot of things in them that disprove their validity, but I wouldnt then say I believe in the atheists version of there being nothing and then being something. Something created us but it looks like it has yet to fully reveal itself.

[Rodmantheman]

Religion arguments go no where guys you can't convince someone who please in god there is no god and vice versa.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP, I recommend watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww

It goes over the idea that morals are inherent with science. Ideally, being "moral" is to minimize suffering, which is a physical thing.

[Nowitness]

What is it that when you believe in a higher being but dont follow any particular religion? I know the religions have a lot of things in them that disprove their validity, but I wouldnt then say I believe in the atheists version of there being nothing and then being something. Something created us but it looks like it has yet to fully reveal itself.

Deism.

Rodmantheman, I disagree. There are many known people to convert, take Alister McGrath, he was an Atheist before university, after studying science and hearing the arguments for he converted to Christianity.

The main problem is fear of conversion, hundreds of thousands if not millions disbelieve in their faith, but also fear the personal or political repercussions. Mother Teresa (a religious terrorist) has letters basically admitting she has lost her faith, to which the Church said good it proves his existence.

[Patrick Chewing]

I was trolling in fairness. Glad to see that the majority here are either Atheist or simply see religious B.S (I can't respect agnostics, they refuse to comment basically).


How can anyone be glad about this?

Being an atheist doesn't make you wiser than one who believes.

[Nowitness]

How can anyone be glad about this?

Being an atheist doesn't make you wiser than one who believes.

No, it does however mean you aren't choosing to surrender your mind to something that claims to be total and absolute.

It also means all decisions made by these people - good or bad - cannot be hidden under the claim of religion (the great question, name me one thing good done by a believer than can't be done by an infidel, then name me one thing evil done which can only be justified by religion and you will see how pointless religion now is). It also means a trumping of reason over faith. Need I go on?

I believe in what Freud thought; Religion was needed 2,000 years ago to suppress violence (although the other things like lack of women/human rights of which there is an ocean of could have been left out) we don't need it. To believe is to hope that there is something more, and to do such a thing gives 'divine right' to many people who believe their evil actions are being approved by God. Sure there are some good religious people, but they'd be good without it. As for bad I can't say the same.

Individually being an Atheist doesn't make you better than a believer, it does however mean we can look into the world and explore rather than sit back thinking a book has given us the answers.