Replace Rose with Peak Kobe

[Ca$H]

On the current Bulls team. How many titles do they win assuming no injuries?

[Inferno]

A lot

Hinrich - Brooks
Kobe - Butler - Snell
Dunleavy - McDermott
Gasol - Mirotic
Noah - Gibson

:eek:

[Rodmantheman]

Kobe offense with that teams defense they win a couple.

[imnew09]

2008 - 2011 Kobe had 3 trips to Finals with Gasol and won 2. Imagine Peak Kobe plus Gasol PLUS NOAH and the defensive complementary players?
6 Peat

[Calabis]

Kobe far better than Rose....its a perfect team to compliment Kobe's style of play. Taking Peak Kobe with the prime Bulls talent currently...they could win several imo.

[Soundwave]

Pau has declined a lot though (or at least he appears to have). But yeah. They'd probably win a few.

[dubeta]

0, Kobe struggles against East defenses

[Lebronxrings]

0. Kobe = taller, slightly better shooter, ball hogging, less efficient derrick rose.

[Pointguard]

The Lakers '04 team and '12 team were the greatest underachieving teams I ever saw. And it's amazing the that prime Shaq literally squeezed through two of those championships. But I was impressed with the Laker's 09 team. Too much talent around Kobe it becomes a question mark. He's better on a role playing team.

[navy]

We havent seen the current Bulls play....

Gasol and the new players may very well suck next year. Make this thread after the season ends.

[red1]

kobe would do work on this bulls team

[moe94]

0. Kobe = taller, slightly better shooter, ball hogging, less efficient derrick rose.

What? :biggums:

Kobe did 35 PPG on the same efficiency Rose did on 25.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

They'd win a couple...

[JohnFreeman]

Team can pick up Kobes lack of defense

[stalkerforlife]

Imagine Kobe getting to play in the east.

[Ca$H]

Team can pick up Kobes lack of defense

Peak Kobe was legit 1st team all D

[poido123]

Kobe would be a perfect fit on this team.

This team would work hard for him on defense, while Kobe can be aggressive on offense and lead the way.

I think prime Kobe would be a sure thing for a championship, whereas I think rose this year and beyond is a strong chance...

[Heavincent]

Team can pick up Kobes lack of defense

Spoken like someone who didn't witness prime Kobe.

[Cold soul]

Team can pick up Kobes lack of defense

Prime Kobe was a great defender one of the best in the game without a doubt. Don't be silly here and overlook young Kobe on defense.

[KG215]

Prime Kobe was a great defender one of the best in the game without a doubt. Don't be silly here and overlook young Kobe on defense.
Problem is, Kobe's best offensive seasons weren't really coupled with his best defensive seasons. So it's hard to pick a single season Kobe or even 2-3 season stretch of Kobe and get the "perfect" combination. If you could take, say, 2001 Kobe's defense and pair him with really any version of 2006-2008 Kobe, you'd have a scary good two-way player. But, after about 2003 Kobe's defense really fell off. Some of that was due to his offensive load becoming almost unfairly to big to carry while also providing good defense. And don't point out how he still made 1st team All-Defense teams after 2003. A lot of those were a reputation/name thing. Although in 2008 he was, on top of still being one of the elite offensive players in the game, very good on defense, too.

With that said, this team really does compliment Kobe almost perfectly. He wouldn't have to be anything special on defense in my opinion due to a very strong defense backing him up, and he'd be able to provide the Bulls with the one thing they really need to put them over the top; an elite, truly special go-to scorer. While I do think at least one title is a guarantee, you also have to take into account that the contenders now (in my opinion) are stronger now than they were in, say, 2009 and 2010. At least in the West. Prime Kobe no the Bulls next year would make Chicago the favorite even over the Cavs with LeBron and Love in my opinion.

[JohnFreeman]

I actually didn't realise OP said prime Kobe

[hawksdogsbraves]

Peak Kobe is winning multiple rings on this Bulls team, no doubt. It's really a perfect fit for him.

Prime Kobe is basically just a better offensive version of prime Rose with much better defense and leadership/toughness. He'd really jive with Noah.

[nathanjizzle]

Peak Kobe is winning multiple rings on this Bulls team, no doubt. It's really a perfect fit for him.

Prime Kobe is basically just a better offensive version of prime Rose with much better defense and leadership/toughness. He'd really jive with Noah.

since when did we ever witness prime rose? :roll:

[Pointguard]

Peak Kobe is winning multiple rings on this Bulls team, no doubt. It's really a perfect fit for him.

Prime Kobe is basically just a better offensive version of prime Rose with much better defense and leadership/toughness. He'd really jive with Noah.

Kobe is many things but he isn't a leader, much less social. He had an alienating influence on every team he's been on. Had no clue what to do with DH, Shaq and several players said he wouldn't even talk to them. And you are comparing him to a 23 year old that totally took over his team and had much older vets explaining to him why they made mistakes. Sure Kobe was better than Rose but lets not make nonsense up.

[ImKobe]

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[NBAplayoffs2001]

Problem is, Kobe's best offensive seasons weren't really coupled with his best defensive seasons. So it's hard to pick a single season Kobe or even 2-3 season stretch of Kobe and get the "perfect" combination. If you could take, say, 2001 Kobe's defense and pair him with really any version of 2006-2008 Kobe, you'd have a scary good two-way player. But, after about 2003 Kobe's defense really fell off. Some of that was due to his offensive load becoming almost unfairly to big to carry while also providing good defense. And don't point out how he still made 1st team All-Defense teams after 2003. A lot of those were a reputation/name thing. Although in 2008 he was, on top of still being one of the elite offensive players in the game, very good on defense, too.

With that said, this team really does compliment Kobe almost perfectly. He wouldn't have to be anything special on defense in my opinion due to a very strong defense backing him up, and he'd be able to provide the Bulls with the one thing they really need to put them over the top; an elite, truly special go-to scorer. While I do think at least one title is a guarantee, you also have to take into account that the contenders now (in my opinion) are stronger now than they were in, say, 2009 and 2010. At least in the West. Prime Kobe no the Bulls next year would make Chicago the favorite even over the Cavs with LeBron and Love in my opinion.

Really liked this post and yes 2001 Kobe defensively was such a nightmare to deal with when he turned it on especially in the playoffs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

01 Kobe was. 06, 08 or 09 Kobe? He was the third best perimeter defender on his team in the last year (Ariza/Odom).

Phil Jackson called Kobe's All-D selections undeserved, need I remind you..

Odom was a perimeter defender?

Okay TLP, okay..

Phil Jackson called the 99 spurs championship an asterik ring..need I remind you..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe is many things but he isn't a leader, much less social. He had an alienating influence on every team he's been on. Had no clue what to do with DH, Shaq and several players said he wouldn't even talk to them. And you are comparing him to a 23 year old that totally took over his team and had much older vets explaining to him why they made mistakes. Sure Kobe was better than Rose but lets not make nonsense up.

Are you saying Rose is a socialite? Because dude is one of the more introverted personalities in the league.

[Heavincent]

He was the third best perimeter defender on his team in the last year (Odom).


:biggums:

[TheMarkMadsen]

To answer the question they'd win rings.

And their front court would be considered "the most stacked front court of all
time"

[LongLiveTheKing]

Kobe wouldn't be able to get past Lebron's cavs. Maybe not even the Heat.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Kobe wouldn't be able to get past Lebron's cavs. Maybe not even the Heat.

yo pass on the ciroc.:cheers:


But srs

























:biggums: biased af

[LongLiveTheKing]

yo pass on the ciroc.:cheers:


But srs

























:biggums: biased af
How am I being biased? The Heat are still contenders in the east, and the Cavs are going to be tough to beat. Lebron would get the better of Kobe like he always does

[Heavincent]

lol Kobe would wipe his ass with the Eastern conference.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

How am I being biased? The Heat are still contenders in the east, and the Cavs are going to be tough to beat. Lebron would get the better of Kobe like he always does

2/5

[T_L_P]

Odom was a perimeter defender?

Okay TLP, okay..

Phil Jackson called the 99 spurs championship an asterik ring..need I remind you..

Yes he was. As far as advanced numbers go, Odom had more Defensive Win Shares, and a much better defensive rating. Opponents' ORtgs were better with Kobe on the court the court than they were with him off it (105.1 with him on in the reg, 103.6 with him off /// 103.7 with him on in the Playoffs, 103.0 with him off). Opposing team's offenses were something like 8 points better with Odom on the bench.

And Phil Jackson commenting on his own player is a lot more credible than what he has to say about another team. Coaches talk trash too, but to write that one of your players is an overrated defender? Those words must ring true.

Now, that's not to say Kobe wouldn't win with the Bulls. Of course he would. He's a much better player than Rose. But he hasn't been an All-Defensive First Team defender in about a decade. As I've already explained, he was the third/fourth best defender on some of his title teams.

[Milbuck]

Yes he was. As far as advanced numbers go, Odom had more Defensive Win Shares, and a much better defensive rating. Opponents' ORtgs were better with Kobe on the court the court than they were with him off it (105.1 with him on in the reg, 103.6 with him off /// 103.7 with him on in the Playoffs, 103.0 with him off). Opposing team's offenses were something like 8 points better with Odom on the bench.

Tim Duncan's defensive on/off this past year was just marginally better (as in, also negative), and I don't see anyone calling him a shitty defender. Opposing ORTG of 103.1 with playing and 101.7 with him off the court...opposing team shot .485 eFG% with him on, .478 with him off. They also had a higher TOV% with him off the court, 15.2% vs 13.9%. And Al Jefferson, notorious for being one of the shittiest defensive bigs, had more defensive win shares than Duncan.

My point is, you can sift through all the numbers but it can only get you so far..Odom was not a better perimeter defender than prime Kobe.

[Pointguard]

Are you saying Rose is a socialite? Because dude is one of the more introverted personalities in the league.
He's a natural leader, he doesn't have to be social. There is a natural response to where he puts his energy. When Kobe says he doesn't want to party with teammates it seemed to put off teammates. Rose says I'm not into parties, be ready on the court, it's a whole different affect. His teammates aren't alienated and understand the focus.