ISH All-Time List: Vote on #3 Now.

[russwest0]

http://deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kareem.jpeg

The results are in from the previous vote and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was voted as the 2nd best player of all time (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348939).

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348939).
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348961).

To vote on who you think the 3rd best player of all time is, simply comment their name below and I will keep track of the votes in the post directly below this one. Once a consensus is reached (after 30 total votes or one day) we will add that player to the list and move on from there.

P.S. - **** Real GM

[russwest0]

UPDATE: Skimmed through the remaining votes to see if there was any possible way that Bill Russell wouldn't finish on top and there wasn't because most of the votes continued being Bill Russell. Bill Russell is now ISH's 3rd ranked player of all time.

Votes so far:

Bill Russell, C, 17 Votes - Smook A., zoom17, RoundMoundOfReb, Rodmantheman, MP.Trey, fpliii, Cousin Oliver, SHAQisGOAT, Cold soul, DFish24, bballnoob1192, SuperPippen, DatAsh, scandisk_, That_Admiral, Sakkreth, Inferno
Kobe Bryant, SG, 11 Votes - stalkerforlife, BlkMambaGOAT, imnew09, christian1923, russwest0, Yankstar, JUDGE WITNESS, Bobby13, KendrickPerkins, Fudge, JerrySeinfeld
Wilt Chamberlain, C, 7 Votes - moe94, RRR3, Warfan, Magic731, Roundball_Rock, TheMilkyBarKid, TheWINdyCity
George Mikan, C, 2 Votes - Akrazotile, navy
Magic Johnson, PG, 1 Vote - JohnFreeman
Matt Bonner, PF, 1 Vote - AI Thornton
Patty Mills, PG, 1 Vote - BuffaloBill

*red = last tallied vote.

[Smook A.]

Bill Russell

[moe94]

Wilt

[JohnFreeman]

magic

[Akrazotile]

Anyone but Kobe

[RRR3]

Wilt Chamberlain, he's got an excellent case for top 3 (has to be top 5 IMO based on what I know about NBA history) and he gets rated way too low on ISH.

Not that I ever saw him play though.

[zoom17]

Bill Russell

[played0ut]

http://www.hundreddollarbill.info/one-hundred-100-dollar-bill.jpg
http://image-cdn.zap2it.com/images/2-cumberbatch-fixing-hair.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Bill Russell

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Kobe

[Rodmantheman]

Bill Russell

http://www.celticstown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/bill-russell-rings-240x300.jpg

[KendrickPerkins]

Bill Russell

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/morgan-freeman-1.jpg

[MP.Trey]

Bill Russell

[Magic731]

Wilt Chamberlain.

[fpliii]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NNL9QUYSm6U/Ubs3wbfXhLI/AAAAAAAABv0/M92Q_jW7lFw/s1600/BillRussell-picture-1957.jpg

[Akrazotile]

Mikan

[Roundball_Rock]

Wilt. He is my #3 GOAT right now and he probably is the BOAT.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Wilt, someone keep an eye that op doesn't **** up the count.

[Cousin Oliver]

Bill Russell

[Rodmantheman]

15 votes for Bill Russell-looking like he will win.
7 wilt
2 Kobe
2 Mikan
1 Magic

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bill Russell

[navy]

Mikan

[G.O.A.T]

http://www.hundreddollarbill.info/one-hundred-100-dollar-bill.jpg
http://image-cdn.zap2it.com/images/2-cumberbatch-fixing-hair.gif

That's a stretch. Sky hook was better.

[jcsrplumply]

Morgan Freeman

[TheWINdyCity]

wilt

[Cold soul]

Bill Russell.

[DFish24]

Bill Russell

[imnew09]

You alrdy know. Kobe

[B-hoop]

Morgan Freeman

[bballnoob1192]

Anyone but Kobe
stop being a bitch ****** and vote for someone or gtfo of thread no one cares for your hatred of kobe.

anyways, gotta go with russell here.

[SuperPippen]

Russell.

[bballnoob1192]

Morgan Freeman

http://ballerball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Bill-Glory.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DatAsh]

Bill Russell

[To4]

Morgan Freeman!!!

[scandisk_]

Bill Freeman

[christian1923]

Kobe

[RRR3]

Kobe getting votes is pathetic.

[Cold soul]

Kobe getting votes is pathetic.

No not really even though I wouldn't put him this high.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe getting votes is pathetic.

Most ever first team ALL-NBA selections.

Most ever first team ALL-DEFENSE selections.

31,700 points and counting. (4th all time)

Top 5 in MVP voting 11 straight seasons.

5 rings as a 1, 1b, or 2.

5,640 playoff points. (3rd all time)

Most ever consecutive all-star games. (16)

2nd most 60 point games all time.

3rd most 50 point games all time.

3rd most 40 point games all time.

2nd most 30 point playoff games all time.

4th most 40 point playoff games all time.

7th most 30 point finals games all time.

3rd most playoff seasons averaging 30+ all time.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

[bballnoob1192]

Kobe getting votes is pathetic.
you kobe haters are this insecure huh.......

[RRR3]

you kobe haters are this insecure huh.......
I don't like Kobe at all, but him being top 3 is ridiculous.
If it makes you guys feel any better, I think it would be pathetic to rank Lebron here as well.

[bballnoob1192]

I don't like Kobe at all, but him being top 3 is ridiculous.
If it makes you guys feel any better, I think it would be pathetic to rank Lebron here as well.
i think kobe is 7th at best on all-time list and i'm a lakers fan. just saying yall haters should not worry that he will get 3rd or 4th. he might get put at 5th place tho. which would be a little bit high. also just vote for your pick and **** the stans.

[russwest0]

I'd have to vote with Kobe as well for the simple fact that I haven't seen Russell play and the overall weakness of the sport back then and his team being by far the best makes it hard for me to value his rings as much as they would be valued at today.

[RRR3]

i think kobe is 7th at best on all-time list and i'm a lakers fan. just saying yall haters should not worry that he will get 3rd or 4th. he might get put at 5th place tho. which would be a little bit high. also just vote for your pick a **** the stans.
Already voted for Wilt.

[bballnoob1192]

Already voted for Wilt.
cool and i think wilt might finish ahead of kobe so there is that.

[zoom17]

I'd have to vote with Kobe as well for the simple fact that I haven't seen Russell play and the overall weakness of the sport back then and his team being by far the best makes it hard for me to value his rings as much as they would be valued at today.

kobe over Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq could go on:coleman:

[bballnoob1192]

kobe over Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq could go on:coleman:
i'd put kobe over bird and shaq
and maybe duncan, but prolly not.

[Cold soul]

i think kobe is 7th at best on all-time list and i'm a lakers fan. just saying yall haters should not worry that he will get 3rd or 4th. he might get put at 5th place tho. which would be a little bit high. also just vote for your pick and **** the stans.

Why would five be too high for Kobe?

[russwest0]

Eh Duncan is a close one but Kobe slayed Duncan when both were in their primes.

It could really go either way.

[bballnoob1192]

Why would five be too high for Kobe?
well i didn't say too high, and i could see an argument for him being there but personally i would have MJ, kareem, russell, magic, and wilt at least over him so if i put duncan at 6, then kobe would be at 7 for me.

[Cold soul]

well i didn't say too high, and i could see an argument for him being there but personally i would have MJ, kareem, russell, magic, and wilt at least over him so if i put duncan at 6, then kobe would be at 7 for me.


Alright that makes sense. I do think Kobe has a case over Magic, Wilt, and Duncan but not the others. I personally have Kobe ranked 6th.

[AI Thornton]

Matt Bonner

[SuperPippen]

Just stating this so that there's no confusion: this list already sucks ass.

I'm not talking about the ranking (pretty sure Jordan and Kareem is the consensus 1 and 2, or 1a and 1b, if you will) but the manner in which the list is being put together.

It's too haphazard, there is little consistency in the voters from one vote to another, there's absolutely NO quality discussion being had, and there's WAY too many biased stans (mostly of Kobe, as of yet) voting.

You can say "f*ck RealGM" all you want, but the discussion being had over there is top notch, and they actually have a set methodology for including voters.


Keep going with this if you really care so much, but on a site this infested with trolls, such a list will be of little, if any, significance.



Also, remember that time OP claimed he was dating Angie Varona, and had a meltdown when others exposed him? :lol

[fpliii]

I think big men are more impactful, but my question for those dogging Kobe...how can you justify ranking Magic and Bird significantly ahead of him? Neither guy approached the longevity of his prime, and neither was a dominant two-way player (though Bird is obviously underrated defensively). Not to say Kobe was consistently so, but he had some legit years as a man defender.

I don't keep a GOAT list (and wouldn't weight accolades or box score stats all that much in making one if I did), and didn't start watching until the year after Bird retired so all of the games I've seen of both guys (aside from Magic at the Olympics and the brief comeback) is way after the fact.

Is the argument that they were both so much better in their ~9 year primes (80-88 for Bird, 83-91 for Magic), that it outweighs the longevity for Kobe? I understand that Bird is in GOAT peak conversations a lot, but how much better do they have to be during their primes than Kobe was to justify massive separation in their rankings?

Again, I don't have a problem with people placing them ahead. But some of the gaps between them are substantial (like people placing Bird/Magic in their top 3s, and Kobe outside of their top 10s), and seem to be a bit much, so I'd be interested in hearing some specific arguments.

EDIT: Just to clarify, not trying to advocate slotting Bryant ahead of Magic/Bird. But what is in some cases a double-digit separation in posters' rankings seems excessive IMO.

[RRR3]

Just stating this so that there's no confusion: this list already sucks ass.

I'm not talking about the ranking (pretty sure Jordan and Kareem is the consensus 1 and 2, or 1a and 1b, if you will) but the manner in which the list is being put together.

It's too haphazard, there is little consistency in the voters from one vote to another, there's absolutely NO quality discussion being had, and there's WAY too many biased stans (mostly of Kobe, as of yet) voting.

You can say "f*ck RealGM" all you want, but the discussion being had over there is top notch, and they actually have a set methodology for including voters.


Keep going with this if you really care so much, but on a site this infested with trolls, such a list will be of little, if any, significance.



Also, remember that time OP claimed he was dating Angie Varona, and had a meltdown when others exposed him? :lol
Link to Angie varona thread?

[stalkerforlife]

Just stating this so that there's no confusion: this list already sucks ass.

I'm not talking about the ranking (pretty sure Jordan and Kareem is the consensus 1 and 2, or 1a and 1b, if you will) but the manner in which the list is being put together.

It's too haphazard, there is little consistency in the voters from one vote to another, there's absolutely NO quality discussion being had, and there's WAY too many biased stans (mostly of Kobe, as of yet) voting.

You can say "f*ck RealGM" all you want, but the discussion being had over there is top notch, and they actually have a set methodology for including voters.


Keep going with this if you really care so much, but on a site this infested with trolls, such a list will be of little, if any, significance.



Also, remember that time OP claimed he was dating Angie Varona, and had a meltdown when others exposed him? :lol

Translation - "I hate Kobe."

OP, pay no mind. This is a great thing you're doing.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Russell Billbrook

[SuperPippen]

Translation - "I hate Kobe."

OP, pay no mind. This is a great thing you're doing.

Except I don't hate Kobe, you simpleton. You do realize that people can have opinions on players that aren't either hatred or outright worship? Not everything is so black and white, fool.

I recognize Kobe's greatness. He's a legend. Truly. IMO, he's one of the 10 greatest players in the history of basketball.

But that doesn't change the fact that this list sucks d*ck (just like you and your other scumbag Kobe stans fantasize about doing).

[SuperPippen]

Link to Angie varona thread?

IDK what thread it was in. It might have been deleted. I'll try and look for it.

[Yankstar]

Kobe Bryant

[BuffaloBill]

Patty Mills

[JUDGE WITNESS]

kobe

[russwest0]

this "superpippen" dude is a beta fakkit.

go over to realgm if it's so cool fukking loser

[Bobby13]

Kobe Bryant

[stalkerforlife]

this "superpippen" dude is a beta fakkit.

go over to realgm if it's so cool fukking loser

:lebronamazed:

[KendrickPerkins]

I change my vote to Kobe Bryant.

I'm sure my buddy Fudge sides with me as well. Put us down for 2.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The Black Mamba.

[SuperPippen]

this "superpippen" dude is a beta fakkit.

go over to realgm if it's so cool fukking loser


:roll: :roll: :roll:

This troll's too mad. :roll:

Why don't you go punish some more girls for not wanting to sleep with you, huh? With your Elliot Rodger ass :roll:

[russwest0]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This troll's too mad. :roll:

Why don't you go punish some more girls for not wanting to sleep with you, huh? With your Elliot Rodger ass :roll:

why so many smilies bro?

you alright?

[SuperPippen]

why so many smilies bro?

you alright?

It's just that every time I want to stop laughing, I think about how pathetic you are, and then I start laughing like crazy all over again.

[russwest0]

It's just that every time I want to stop laughing, I think about how pathetic you are, and then I start laughing like crazy all over again.

Is this before or after your mom bangs on the upstairs floor and yells down to shut the fukk up?

[Dizzle-2k7]

LMAO @ Tim Duncan not being an automatic shoe-in for #3...

5 rings as ANCHOR on BOTH ENDS of the FLoor.. never missed playoffs, 18 50+ win seasons.. dominating, clutch, great teammate , bball iq

LOL @ ish

[russwest0]

LMAO @ Tim Duncan not being an automatic shoe-in for #3...

5 rings as ANCHOR on BOTH ENDS of the FLoor.. never missed playoffs, 18 50+ win seasons.. dominating, clutch, great teammate , bball iq

LOL @ ish

I have him just after Kobe taking up spot 4. Though I'd totally understand if you had him as #3.

[That_Admiral]

Russellllllllllll

[russwest0]

Russellllllllllll

thanks for the vote, added it to the list :cheers:

[zoom17]

Fudge is banned and his alt voted for Russel lol

[russwest0]

Fudge is banned and his alt voted for Russel lol

He changed his vote to Kobe on the last page.

[Sakkreth]

Bill Russell

[Inferno]

No way Kobe is 3rd, come on. Russell.

[zoom17]

If kobe gets third this list would be so bad.

[Sakkreth]

OP, Kobe has 8 votes not 11.

[russwest0]

OP, Kobe has 8 votes not 11.

Kobe currently has 11 votes.

[Warfan]

:facepalm ISH

[Sakkreth]

Kobe currently has 11 votes.

Quote votes by Fudge and JerrySeinfeld in this thread.

[russwest0]

Quote votes by Fudge and JerrySeinfeld in this thread.

They are both on the previous page

[played0ut]

Bill Russell already won.


But my name wasn't on the voting list for him. I'm on the first page.

[Harison]

Russell

[Yankstar]

Kobe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

should be like a 1000 post minimum to vote...all these alts popping up

[Sakkreth]

They are both on the previous page

No they are not.

[russwest0]

Barring an epic comeback or something, Bill Russell looks like the winner here.

In order to not over saturate this thing though, I'll post the new thread tomorrow afternoon.

[played0ut]

Bill Russell

[Psileas]

should be like a 1000 post minimum to vote...all these alts popping up

Αnd a 500 character minimum accompanying your vote. Comparing the work done at RealGM's projects, as much as I disagree with some of their results, to these, is ludicrous.

[pauk]

Bill Russell.

[Sakkreth]

Me and my 25 buddies from raps forum(some of them voted with their alts already but nvm), vote for Rafael Araujo as #3 goat. Since counting alt votes, voting multiple times and voting for your friends is allowed there should be no problems right ? :cheers:

[SexSymbol]

Bill Russell. To not have him in the top3 is ludicrous, he should be at 1.

[Yankstar]

Kobe Bryant :bowdown:

[rmt]

Anyone but Kobe

Poll should be visible only after one votes. That saying, my vote is for Bill Russell because Kobe ain't #3 for sure.

[smoovegittar]

Bill Russell

[r0drig0lac]

Bill

[PhutureDynasty]

Bill Russell.

[Prometheus]

Wilt Chamberlain. Should have been #2, but Kareem is acceptable.

I swear to god if Kobe gets #3 I will come find everyone who voted for him and beat the shit out of them.

[CeilingFan#1]

Matt Bonner

[kurple]

Russell

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain. Should have been #2, but Kareem is acceptable.

I swear to god if Kobe gets #3 I will come find everyone who voted for him and beat the shit out of them.

I would completely agree with everything you stated. Having said that, though, I suspect that Wilt won't even be #4. There was a similar pattern in the last ISH voting, and Wilt would garner the next most votes in as each selection was made, and then lose to someone else in the next round. I don't believe Bird showed up very much at all in the top spots, while Wilt consistently did...but when it basically came down to the two of them, guess who won?

With this group, he might fall out of the top-10.

[VIntageNOvel]

the one who beat hiv

[robert_shaww]

bill russell

[MP.Trey]

I would completely agree with everything you stated. Having said that, though, I suspect that Wilt won't even be #4. There was a similar pattern in the last ISH voting, and Wilt would garner the next most votes in as each selection was made, and then lose to someone else in the next round. I don't believe Bird showed up very much at all in the top spots, while Wilt consistently did...but when it basically came down to the two of them, guess who won?

With this group, he might fall out of the top-10.
This is why I'm going to start voting for Wilt starting next round. He is "criminally underrated" on ISH and Russell-Wilt is more of an opinion based matter than anything. To have Wilt fall any more than 2-3 spots below Russell would be a travesty imo.

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron James

[longhornfan1234]

Wilt.

[BigBoss]

Kobe

[Bob Dole]

Chris Paul

[inclinerator]

mikael pietrus

[Lebronxrings]

lebron james.

[Lebronxrings]

if kobe ends up being in the top 5 consensus player, this forum would really be shit.

[Genaro]

Kobe Bryant

[MrC1991]

Bill Russell

[HurricaneKid]

Wilt.

[Yankstar]

kobe :bowdown:

[LosBulls]

Shaquille O'Neal.

[the mesiah]

Bill Russell. To not have him in the top3 is ludicrous, he should be at 1.
Šarūnas Marčiulionis is rolling around in his grave rite now.

[Sakkreth]

Šarūnas Marčiulionis is rolling around in his grave rite now.

SexSymbol is disgrace to us, he doesn't even realise that Lithuanians aren't slavs.

[dyna]

Wilt

[russwest0]

this isn't the newest thread; not sure why it was bumped.

here is the most recent thread

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349136

[FKAri]

Wilt