Religion aside, abortion is wrong. All babies deserve a chance to live

[Fawker]

whether you're ready or not, stable or poor, you can not get rid of these embryos of clean slate minds.

[Quizno]

you also shouldn't *********e. those sperm cells deserve the chance to latch onto an egg and morph into an embryo -> fetus -> baby

*********ion is murder

[GimmeThat]

I can't disagree.

babies don't have the capability to harm others yet.

[masonanddixon]

You really want another person with an 80 IQ reproducing even further?

We need to take every measure possible to keep the birth rate down.

[russwest0]

OP I hope you aren't mad, but I just fapped and ruined the future lives of a couple hundred children.

[IamRAMBO24]

OP I hope you aren't mad, but I just fapped and ruined the future lives of a couple hundred children.

Not the same thing. I'm with OP.

[Droid101]

A woman is in charge of her own body. Butt out.

[Meticode]

A woman is in charge of her own body. Butt out.
Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.

[sweggeh]

Yeah abortion is wrong. Hoes gettin pregnant cause they cant keep their panties on and then killing babies like its nothing, makes me sick.

[russwest0]

Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.

if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.

[sweggeh]

Whenever I hear this the word bullshit comes to my mind. The life inside her is indeed part of her body, but it's also a separate entity at the same time.

I often wonder how abortion supporting women would feel if they could travel to an alternate time and see their mothers aborting them simply because getting pregnant was an inconvenience of their lives.

Yeah exactly. How can you deny someone life just because you feel you arent ready to take care of a kid?

[sweggeh]

if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.

I wont feel anything if I die in my sleep tonight. But I would still be pissed if it happened.

[Meticode]

if that were the case they wouldn't be able to feel anything because they would have never been born.
It's hypothetical. For example you're an abortion supporting mother, and you find out your mom actually went through to have an abortion with you, but the abortion was botched, it failed and you lived, then she decided to keep you.

If you support abortion as a mother, and you found out your mom actually wanted to abort you and went through with it and it failed, how does that make you feel that you shouldn't be alive right now?

How would you see your mother? Would you feel the same way about abortion? In most cases abortion is a very selfish thing to do in-my-opinion. Especially here in the U.S. since most abortions are simply because the pregnancy and a baby would be an inconvenience on the life of the mother, father or both. It's pretty sad to me.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I generally don't agree with it. But in some situations it's probably a good thing. The planet doesn't need more stupid people & kids shouldn't be born into messed up homes.

[russwest0]

I understand your guys viewpoint as I was once there but I have just evolved beyond that mindset. There are 7 billion fukks on this world and that number is rapidly growing everyday. It appears we are the only animal that gives this big of a shit about this type of thing, as others just understand and accept death as a part of life.

If a woman wants to abort the fetus before it even has a heartbeat, then I see zero problem. No harm is done to an unborn baby that isn't even consciously aware yet.

And don't feed me that "potential to live shit" because then I'll just refute that with my jizz.

[Meticode]

The planet doesn't need more stupid people & kids shouldn't be born into messed up homes.
If that's the case I'm sure many kids that were born into messed up homes went on with their lives just fine. I wasn't a planned baby. My mother was 17 with me, I grew up in low-income housing around drugs and crime. My father was a constant cheater on my mom and she only kept him around because of financial reasons. It was a very dysfunctional home-life. But yet I still went to high school, I still made honor roll, I still contributed to society in a positive manner, I graduated, I got married, I had a child.

Simply assuming a child wouldn't prosper because of the current/ dim situation isn't grounds for me personally to justify taking the chance of life away from someone.

If a higher power came to me before I was born and said "Wayne, you're going to be born here, but you have two choices. You can be born, but you have a 50% chance of being in a messed up situation or a 50% chance of being in a good situation. Do you still want to be born?"

I would take the chance to be born every single time, but unfortunately that's not the way it is. The mothers and fathers who abort because of things like inconvenience or not the best situations are livestock.

[Meticode]

I understand your guys viewpoint as I was once there but I have just evolved beyond that mindset. There are 7 billion fukks on this world and that number is rapidly growing everyday. It appears we are the only animal that gives this big of a shit about this type of thing, as others just understand and accept death as a part of life.

If a woman wants to abort the fetus before it even has a heartbeat, then I see zero problem. No harm is done to an unborn baby that isn't even consciously aware yet.

And don't feed me that "potential to live shit" because then I'll just refute that with my jizz.
There's conception and not conception. Semen coming out or your ***** onto your hands and stomach isn't conception. I'm anti morning after pill as well. It's beta.

[masonanddixon]

We spend billions of dollars trying to prevent shitty DNA from destroying the earth. It's incredible. We allow any idiot, any absolute idiot to have as many kids as they want and we support these idiots who make idiotic choices with financial incentives and benefits, and yet we hunt people down for wanting a bit of opium. It's truly unbelievable.

Eventually we need to enter back into forced sterilization programs and/or offer the bearers of bad DNA 'bonuses' of 75k or so to be sterilized.

[russwest0]

There's conception and not conception. Semen coming out or your ***** onto your hands and stomach isn't conception. I'm anti morning after pill as well. It's beta.

I just don't see why you would disallow a woman to remove a fetus (that isn't even consciously aware yet) from her body.

[Bless Mathews]

:facepalm

[Meticode]

I just don't see why you would disallow a woman to remove a fetus (that isn't even consciously aware yet) from her body.
Because the sperm and egg met and started the process of a baby.

[russwest0]

Because the sperm and egg met and started the process of a baby.

So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm

[Meticode]

So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm
No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.

[Graviton]

So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm
I wonder if he would still have the same stance if his wife got raped.

Will you follow your own beliefs and tell your spouse to keep the baby then raise him/her together?

[sweggeh]

So raped women have to carry an unconscious fetus in their body for 9 months simply because they were forced into the process of making a baby... :facepalm

Its not the babies fault she got raped. Atleast have the kid and put it up for adoption, give it a chance of life.

[russwest0]

No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.

So what if the woman requires that the man wears a condom and he agrees but it breaks and he doesn't tell her and impregnates her?

Is she forced to carry the fetus for 9 months then?

[JustinJDW]

Every woman that has ever gotten pregnant, for whatever reason, whether it was an accident or on purpose, should be forced to have the child. That will make the world a better place. (Kidding)

[Meticode]

So what if the woman requires that the man wears a condom and he agrees but it breaks and he doesn't tell her and impregnates her?

Is she forced to carry the fetus for 9 months then?
I'm against abortion then. Because wearing a condom universally isn't a 100% chance of not getting pregnant. The only 100% way to prevent conception is to not have sex at all. If you can't take the responsibility that comes with having intercourse and sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.

[Graviton]

No, pregnancy from rape and possible death from the fetus being born are the only two instances I support abortion. It's not a black and white thing with me, what pisses me off about it is why most people abort today. Inconvenience. Selfishness.
But why do you change your stance? You just said the process has been started, a life is about to be born, you would deny the baby its future just because of how it was conceived? Don't you think that's kinda hypocritical?

You can't just look down on one group of people getting abortion but then turn around and act like "These kinda people who get abortion are cool, I fully support them killing that baby. But those other guys are murderers though!"

[Meticode]

I wonder if he would still have the same stance if his wife got raped.

Will you follow your own beliefs and tell your spouse to keep the baby then raise him/her together?
That would be a choice for my wife to make. Ask for how I would feel about it, I don't know how I would feel. I think no one knows how they're going to react to a situation they've never been in unless they're actually put in that situation in real life. I can only hope how I would react, and my hope is is that I would want to keep the baby even if she was raped. If she didn't feel the same way, I would respect that and wouldn't blame her for it.

I'm always about making positives out of negatives.

[russwest0]

I'm against abortion then. Because wearing a condom universally isn't a 100% chance of not getting pregnant. The only 100% way to prevent conception is to not have sex at all. If you can't take the responsibility that comes with having intercourse and sex, then you shouldn't be having sex.

Ok, so imagine if someone ate Taco Bell, got a stomach ache, and then on the way home shit in their trousers. Should they should be forced to wear their shitty trousers for 9 months all because "If you can't take the responsibility that comes with eating Taco Bell, then you shouldn't be eating Taco Bell?"

[Meticode]

But why do you change your stance? You just said the process has been started, a life is about to be born, you would deny the baby its future just because of how it was conceived? Don't you think that's kinda hypocritical?
My stance changes because getting forcefully raped and pregnant or giving birth to a baby that might possibly kill you are things out of your control. Aborting a fetus because it's an inconvenience to your life is within your control. It's two completely different situations in my eyes.


You can't just look down on one group of people getting abortion but then turn around and act like "These kinda people who get abortion are cool, I fully support them killing that baby. But those other guys are murderers though!"
Yes I can because the situations are completely different. That's like saying if you kill someone because you hate them it's murder, but you kill someone in self defense it's still murder and you should still get punished for it.

[Meticode]

Ok, so imagine if someone ate Taco Bell, got a stomach ache, and then on the way home shit in their trousers. Should they should be forced to wear their shitty trousers for 9 months all because "If you can't take the responsibility that comes with eating Taco Bell, then you shouldn't be eating Taco Bell?"
Comparing human feces to life are completely two different things.

[Graviton]

My stance changes because getting forcefully raped and pregnant or giving birth to a baby that might possibly kill you are things out of your control. Aborting a fetus because it's an inconvenience to your life is within your control. It's two completely different situations in my eyes.


Yes I can because the situations are completely different. That's like saying if you kill someone because you hate them it's murder, but you kill someone in self defense it's still murder and you should still get punished for it.

But there are a lot of situations that are out of a woman's control. The condom may have had a hole in it due to the company's mistake, or the guy may have done it purposefully. Even to the naked eye it may have been invisible but still resulted in pregnancy, does she have to be punished for things out of her control?

[Meticode]

But there are a lot of situations that are out of a woman's control. The condom may have had a hole in it due to the company's mistake, or the guy may have done it purposefully. Even to the naked eye it may have been invisible but still resulted in pregnancy, does she have to be punished for things out of her control?
That's not cause for an abortion to me. When you let a ***** inside you to ejaculate whether you're on the pill and he's wearing a condom or not you are still taking a risk. You are extremely lowering your chances of getting pregnant by using protection, but you still take on a risk nonetheless. Letting the guy inside you in the first place is something that was completely in your control.

My wife got pregnant while she was on the pill and I used a condom. Never once did I think of abortion and not once did we ever talk about it. It never came up because personally we accepted the responsibility that we were taking a chance of getting pregnant for the pleasuring of each other.

[russwest0]

Comparing human feces to life are completely two different things.

A fetus isn't alive.

Excretion of waste (feces) however, is one of the basic requirements for life.

[Meticode]

A fetus isn't alive.

Excretion of waste (feces) however, is one of the basic requirements for life.
Does the feces that comes out your anus turn into a human boy or girl?

[russwest0]

Does the feces that comes out your anus turn into a human boy or girl?

Neither. The jizz that comes out of my ***** can turn into one of those two things, however.

[Meticode]

Neither. The jizz that comes out of my ***** can turn into one of those two things, however.
You are indeed correct, it can, but it hasn't bonded with an egg yet, so therefore there is no conception. It hasn't started the process of bonding the mother's and father's DNA together yet. There is no fetus. I have no problem with people preventing conception, I do have a problem with people erasing conception afterwards if it's not rape or possible death.

[Graviton]

That's not cause for an abortion to me. When you let a ***** inside you to ejaculate whether you're on the pill and he's wearing a condom or not you are still taking a risk. You are extremely lowering your chances of getting pregnant by using protection, but you still take on a risk nonetheless. Letting the guy inside you in the first place is something that was completely in your control.

My wife got pregnant while she was on the pill and I used a condom. Never once did I think of abortion and not once did we ever talk about it. It never came up because personally we accepted the responsibility that we were taking a chance of getting pregnant for the pleasuring of each other.

Don't you think women should at least get a "2 strikes" kinda deal? That they can get 1 abortion since everyone ****s up in life, but after that for their other "mistakes" they gotta take responsibility?

It would be cruel to force a teenage girl or any single woman that just made a mistake to pay for it for 18 years and have to raise a child single handedly.

[Meticode]

Don't you think women should at least get a "2 strikes" kinda deal? That they can get 1 abortion since everyone ****s up in life, but after that for their other "mistakes" they gotta take responsibility?
No.

It would be cruel to force a teenage girl or any single woman that just made a mistake to pay for it for 18 years and have to raise a child for single handedly.
Sometimes the most beautiful things come from the most unfortunate circumstances. Sometimes they don't. I can live in a world like that. If you can't, that's your own feeling towards it. And I respect that.

[BrownEye007]

Its not the babies fault she got raped. Atleast have the kid and put it up for adoption, give it a chance of life.
:applause: This. I'm totally pro-choice but it is black and white. If your argument is that all embryos deserve a chance at life you don't get to make exceptions regardless of how it was conceived.

Edit: Really though people need to just stay the **** out of other peoples business. You can think abortion is wrong all you want but if somebody wants to get one who are you to tell them not to? Are you God? No? I didn't think so.

[BrownEye007]

Does the feces that comes out your anus turn into a human boy or girl?
Umm yeah... Mr. Hankey and his kids :facepalm

[Meticode]

:applause: This. I'm totally pro-choice but it is black and white. If your argument is that all embryos deserve a chance at life you don't get to make exceptions regardless of how it was conceived.
This is how I would hope I would react. I wouldn't blame my wife if she wanted to get an abortion if she couldn't mentally bear it, but my hope would be that I and her would either try to raise the child into something positive, or give the child up for adoption to a loving family.

[Graviton]

No.

Sometimes the most beautiful things come from the most unfortunate circumstances. Sometimes they don't. I can live in a world like that. If you can't, that's your own feeling towards it. And I respect that.

Sometimes the most beautiful things come from letting people make their own decisions. Sometimes they don't. I can live in a world like that. If you can't, that's your own feelings towards it and I respect that. :cheers:

[Meticode]

Umm yeah... Mr. Hankey and his kids :facepalm
Exactly.

[Meticode]

Sometimes the most beautiful things come from letting people make their own decisions. Sometimes they don't. I can live in a world like that. If you can't, that's your own feelings towards it and I respect that. :cheers:
Touch

[Graviton]

[QUOTE=Meticode]Touch

[BrownEye007]

http://youtu.be/gEFMjN3sTHU Funny song on the subject

[BoutPractice]

It is definitely a trickier issue than any ready made ideology will acknowledge.

Liberals especially need to face a contradiction: they tend to argue for care of the environment on grounds that we have a moral duty towards future generations. I don't think they're wrong... (I also agree with conservatives that we have a duty to protect the past... we should take the past, present AND future in consideration when making important decisions because the past used to be the present and the future will soon be... some kind of time "discount" is logical, complete elimination from the picture of times other than the current fleeting present is not)

But the problem is, how do you reconcile that with the view that it's OK to actively prevent future human life from emerging?

I think it's a great example of a more general tension in liberal thinking that liberals won't usually admit to, between the right of present day choice they champion, and considerations of the future consequences of those choices they also champion whenever talking about the environment, or wars...

The two imperatives don't always contradict, but sometimes they do, and liberals will often act like the tension just isn't there.

Of course the reverse is true... the current "conservative libertarian" approach to those issues is just as puzzling as the liberal approach. In the economic realm, people should just do whatever they want, with no regard for human or moral consequences, much less for any impact on the planet... that's usually the "libertarian" part of the right wing. But in the social realm, suddenly we should police things that people do out of consideration for the consequences, even though those consequences are precisely much less consequential than in that other realm where they advocate for unfettered freedom.

Whichever way we look at it, our views on those issues are typically poorly justified, and don't pass first examination...

[JtotheIzzo]

its 2014, people should have babies when they want and when they are ready.

calling it murder is ridiculous.

[BoutPractice]

For the record, by the way, I'm pro-choice when it comes down to it... but there's nothing simple about the issue. There are real ethical dilemmas involved, that you can't just casually dismiss... I agree with liberals on many issues, but as social liberalism especially is gaining ground in the US, we're beginning to see a lot of "unthinking" liberalism where people just blindly repeat what they're told.

That unthinking variety of those beliefs I agree with terrifies me. If you're a young American from the city, you need to be pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization of weed... otherwise you're a reactionary killjoy if not an evil bastard that deserves to be ostracized. That's what it boils down to... it's the new consensus, and you need to get with the times or else.

Reminds me that, while people can be persuaded to adopt sound views (as in those particular instances), they could just as easily be persuaded to agree to something completely monstrous, if we just shoved it down their throats... As has been shown time and time again in the past. And just because it's 2014 doesn't mean that we've evolved past that.

[Godzuki]

i'm pro choice

anyone can fukk and create embryos

until every pro life person is willing to take care of unwanted kids/babies people need to stfu from their self righteous hypocritical clouds. there is pain in life like starvation, homelessness cold, lack of love from foster parents, etc, etc. but i guess it only matters when its a fetus? :facepalm

you bring someone into the world you should be responsible for that someone. too bad the world doesn't work that perfectly, so we deal with it in imperfect, practical ways.

[outbreak]

anyone who thinks abortion is wrong based on all babies deserving a chance better not be *********ing any time soon. There's more real issues in the world that people should be worrying about and trying to fix. A persons body is their own and they should have the right to do whatever they want with a fetus that doesn't even have a mind yet.

[Nowitness]

whether you're ready or not, stable or poor, you can not get rid of these embryos of clean slate minds.

Adopt a crack baby or have a black fetus transferred into your girls uterus then reply.

[sweggeh]

A lot of retards in this thread. The only people who can actually campaign for pro choice are rape victims or people with children that will come out extremely disabled and have no chance of a good life. Everyone else who just had "an accident" has to deal with the error and care for the child. It doesnt matter what age the child is, when the sperm and egg meet that there is a child, whether it looks like it or not. Only people campaigning pro choice are sluts who want to suck dudes di.cks and get penetrated without a condom the f*ckin whores. There is literally no other reason to campaign for it unless you are a rape victim or there is something wrong with the child. They should just admit it and say yes we are sluts and we swallow litres of *** a night and we dont want kids but we cant change our ways. Just admit it.

[Take Your Lumps]

Here's my stance. If there is brain activity at the time, you shouldn't abort the baby. If there's no brain activity yet, I think the mother should have the choice.

Human death is characterized by the ceasing of brain activity, right? Well, human life should be characterized by the beginning of brain activity (typically around the 12th week of pregnancy).

[sweggeh]

Here's my stance. If there is brain activity at the time, you shouldn't abort the baby. If there's no brain activity yet, I think the mother should have the choice.

Human death is characterized by the ceasing of brain activity, right? Well, human life should be characterized by the beginning of brain activity (typically around the 12th week of pregnancy).

Nope. When brain activity ceases, that is the end. There is no comeback as far as we know so it is feasible to say that person is done for. For a fetus the brain activity is there just not fully realised yet or grown to the point that is becomes something significant. Its not the same thing at all.

[Godzuki]

A lot of retards in this thread. The only people who can actually campaign for pro choice are rape victims or people with children that will come out extremely disabled and have no chance of a good life. Everyone else who just had "an accident" has to deal with the error and care for the child. It doesnt matter what age the child is, when the sperm and egg meet that there is a child, whether it looks like it or not. Only people campaigning pro choice are sluts who want to suck dudes di.cks and get penetrated without a condom the f*ckin whores. There is literally no other reason to campaign for it unless you are a rape victim or there is something wrong with the child. They should just admit it and say yes we are sluts and we swallow litres of *** a night and we dont want kids but we cant change our ways. Just admit it.

damn you're one stupid mf'er :facepalm

i mean i can at least get the religious argument even if its fukkiin dumb but relligious people are like that with their convictions even if it goes against practical reality....but for you to pretend nobody should care but the pregnant woman...how about the guy that knocked her up? who has to pay paternity?

...and i could go on and on to us paying for this kid when nobody wants it after they abandon it to it becoming some jaded poorly raised kid in and out of the adoption system, and eventually a menace to society.

i mean jesus christ bro, thats some shallow shit.

[sweggeh]

damn you're one stupid mf'er :facepalm

i mean i can at least get the religious argument even if its fukkiin dumb but relligious people are like that with their convictions even if it goes against practical reality....but for you to pretend nobody should care but the pregnant woman...how about the guy that knocked her up? who has to pay paternity?

...and i could go on and on to us paying for this kid when nobody wants it after they abandon it to it becoming some jaded poorly raised kid in and out of the adoption system, and eventually a menace to society.

i mean jesus christ bro, thats some shallow shit.

Then dont get pregnant then you stupid cu.nt. Unless you have been raped, no one is forcing you to have sex without being suitably protected. If you get pregnant accidentally there is no one to blame but yourself, unless like I said you have been raped. You have to handle the situation and take care of the child, not kill it.

I would rather be in a home or a orphanage and have a chance at experiencing life than never be born at all.

[Nick Young]

If it has no consciousness its not even alive. Get your voodoo hoodoo out of here. If a woman gets pregnant, she doesn't owe it to anyone to let the little shit grow up inside her if she doesn't want it to. A woman shouldn't force herself to suffer just to appease some superstitious nutjobs she doesn't even know.

[Orlando Magic]

Blah.

[Godzuki]

Then dont get pregnant then you stupid cu.nt. Unless you have been raped, no one is forcing you to have sex without being suitably protected. If you get pregnant accidentally there is no one to blame but yourself, unless like I said you have been raped. You have to handle the situation and take care of the child, not kill it.

I would rather be in a home or a orphanage and have a chance at experiencing life than never be born at all.


yo you read what i write? what about the dude? isn't the decision half his, or some his when he is expected to pay child support if she keeps it? there goes like half his earnings for the next 18~ years or whatever...

its so easy to get someone pregnant, happens all of the time. to think everyone is just supposed to be responsible :facepalm what reality are some of y'all living in....

its just some really fukked up shit when religious people, or whatever right wing people pretend to tell a female she HAS to have her baby :facepalm

[Orlando Magic]

I am a libertarian and I can't pretend I have all of the answers, because I don't.

However, I think there are only a few gray areas around abortion... 1) it's a known threat to the mother to continue on with the pregnancy and 2) rape.

In the case of rape, I don't think they should abort, but I understand if they do. No judgement from me. Tough situation.

In the case of threat to life of the mother, you've got my green light. But I still feel wrong about it.

People who just go out and **** or get drunk and **** and end up pregnant accidentally or are just too lazy to use birth control should not be allowed to abort.

With very few exceptions, it all boils down to if you think people should be responsible for their own actions or not.

[Godzuki]

Abortion is wrong, and the women who do it know it.

Consciously or subconsciously, women can not get an abortion without it affecting them. A lot pretend they can, but they can't. It's not possible.

Hell, guys can't even jerk off without it affecting their emotional state on a subconscious or conscious level. Excessive jerking off(and by this I mean even just once daily or even multiple times a week... difficult to put a number on it) leads to MAJOR spiritual... emotional... psychological... problems.

And then you want to talk about willingly terminating something that you KNOW is going to turn into life. Not just a small chance to, but almost an iron clad guarantee.

If you are religious, great, there shouldn't be much of an argument here. People that are pro choice that claim to be believers typically are not believers and thus should see my next point.

If you are not religious, and view everything we know as evolutionary with no God, you should still be able to consciously put together the fact that you are doing the species a disservice by hindering its' progress, and thus it is going to affect you subconsciously.

Without God, you have to concede that morals are meaningless and are nothing other than a set of principles developed over time by ourselves in order to further the species, and nothing more, because they weren't there at the beginning.

Shooting a 3 year old kid is on level ground with helping an old lady across the street. Neither mean anything. What? You think those principles just always existed without God? You think that any "morality" that you have actually means anything at all?

Point is... religious or not religious, it's going to emotionally affect you because it's wrong. It's wrong because you know it's wrong and it's instilled in us deeply, be it divinely or through evolution, even if you won't admit it.


oh please...

its a practical solution VS someone knowing they don't want a kid, or can't raise one.

simple as that.

people can be caring or have morals without religion, but morals can also be more practically thought of than pretending something unborn is murder. in fact most crazy extremist type people tend to think abortion is murder...most normal people don't unless they're religiious.

[Orlando Magic]

oh please...

its a practical solution VS someone knowing they don't want a kid, or can't raise one.

simple as that.

people can be caring or have morals without religion, but morals can also be more practically thought of than pretending something unborn is murder. in fact most crazy extremist type people tend to think abortion is murder...most normal people don't unless they're religiious.

Of course people can be caring and have morals without religion. That wasn't my point.

My point was without God, morals don't actually mean anything because they are nothing other than something we developed to succeed as a species and I deleted my post because I realized I had gotten sidetracked.

[Godzuki]

I am a libertarian and I can't pretend I have all of the answers, because I don't.

However, I think there are only a few gray areas around abortion... 1) it's a known threat to the mother to continue on with the pregnancy and 2) rape.

In the case of rape, I don't think they should abort, but I understand if they do. No judgement from me. Tough situation.

In the case of threat to life of the mother, you've got my green light. But I still feel wrong about it.

People who just go out and **** or get drunk and **** and end up pregnant accidentally or are just too lazy to use birth control should not be allowed to abort.


people who go out and fukk and get drunk and accidentally have a kid should be the FIRST to be allowed to abort.

WTF kind of backwards thinking do u have going on in that brain of yours? :wtf:

[Draz]

Recently found out a few years ago my mother when she was pregnant for me tried many things to get rid of me. She said she went to the abortion doctor back in my country and he had asked if this would be the first child, her response was yes. He told her to get out and not to come back, to have the baby. He refused to give the abortion to her.

Ever since my perspective changed, because I wouldn't be here. But, it hasn't changed to the point where I'd be against it. This is probably the most touchy subject.

[Godzuki]

Of course people can be caring and have morals without religion. That wasn't my point.

My point was without God, morals don't actually mean anything because they are nothing other than something we developed to succeed as a species and I deleted my post because I realized I had gotten sidetracked.


thats ridiculous. with or without God morals are morals. they're a standard to live by....call it ethics.

[Orlando Magic]

thats ridiculous. with or without God morals are morals. they're a standard to live by....call it ethics.

What I'm trying to communicate is that if God didn't put them there, where'd they come from, and thus what do they mean?

[Godzuki]

Recently found out a few years ago my mother when she was pregnant for me tried many things to get rid of me. She said she went to the abortion doctor back in my country and he had asked if this would be the first child, her response was yes. He told her to get out and not to come back, to have the baby. He refused to give the abortion to her.

Ever since my perspective changed, because I wouldn't be here. But, it hasn't changed to the point where I'd be against it. This is probably the most touchy subject.

if i found that out about myself i'd just be like it is what it is...i was born. that was destiny. wouldn't change my views at all.

free will to make your own choices is something everyone should fight for, not society forcing THEIR choice on you. its the principle of that, relative to this issue, that really bothers me.

[Orlando Magic]

if i found that out about myself i'd just be like it is what it is...i was born. that was destiny. wouldn't change my views at all.

free will to make your own choices is something everyone should fight for, not society forcing THEIR choice on you. its the principle of that, relative to this issue, that really bothers me.

You believe in destiny and not God? Fascinating.

[Godzuki]

You believe in destiny and not God? Fascinating.


lol yes...basically the way life goes....thats destiny to me. it can happen without God.

so can human ethics/morals...its about being a decent human being.

nobody needs religion for any of that shit.

[Nowitness]

What I'm trying to communicate is that if God didn't put them there, where'd they come from, and thus what do they mean?

They came from society agreeing on certain standards to make living as easy as possible. If your argument is the ten commandments what were we doing for the first 98,000 years or so of our modern existence? If you're saying he made them innate in us prove it.

[Orlando Magic]

lol yes...basically the way life goes....thats destiny to me. it can happen without God.

so can human ethics/morals...its about being a decent human being.

nobody needs religion for any of that shit.

Intellectually, you are not on my level, as you have repeatedly failed to answer the simple question of where morals came from and what they mean if God didn't instill them. Hint: I already gave you the answer.

[Nowitness]

Intellectually, you are not on my level, as you have repeatedly failed to answer the simple question of where morals came from and what they mean if God didn't instill them. Hint: I already gave you the answer.

Check above.

[Orlando Magic]

They came from society agreeing on certain standards to make living as easy as possible. If your argument is the ten commandments what were we doing for the first 98,000 years or so of our modern existence? If you're saying he made them innate in us prove it.

I don't have proof that it was God.

But morals are deeper than simply being agreed upon by society. They were either divinely appointed, or they were developed over millions and millions of years as a means to further the species, and yes, eventually agreed upon by society, speaking in generalities.

But if they were developed over millions of years, which is the only option without God, what I'm saying is... is that they don't actually mean anything, and neither does life itself. It just simply is.

[Godzuki]

Intellectually, you are not on my level, as you have repeatedly failed to answer the simple question of where morals came from and what they mean if God didn't instill them. Hint: I already gave you the answer.


i said call it ethics...

and intellectually i far surpass you i'm sure. i think my logical thinking is way above yours, especially in regards to practical thought. most of my serious posts here prove it.

[Orlando Magic]

i said call it ethics...

and intellectually i far surpass you i'm sure. i think my logical thinking is way above yours, especially in regards to practical thought.

You still failed to answer the question, and you can't even comprehend the fact that you failed to answer the question, and yet you far surpass me intellectually, haha. Ok.

[Nowitness]

I don't have proof that it was God.

But morals are deeper than simply being agreed upon by society. They were either divinely appointed, or they were developed over millions and millions of years as a means to further the species, and yes, eventually agreed upon by society, speaking in generalities.

But if they were developed over millions of years, which is the only option without God, what I'm saying is... is that they don't actually mean anything, and neither does life itself. It just simply is.

Well done, you my friend have just defined what it really is. The universe does not really know or care that we are here. In essence they mean nothing, if we wanted to we could live out a hedonistic life in which we rape and steal to appease our instincts to get to the highest possible position of power. There is no objective meaning, the meaning is what we make of it, whether it be to reproduce, to help others, get rich.... But, we don't chose (at least most of us) don't chose to not be conscious of our brothers. We want to make life good for all, not because God tells us to. And if there is he certainly doesn't intervene like Einstein argued.

They prolly did evolve as we evolved. I think Dawkins argues this.

[Godzuki]

You still failed to answer the question, and you can't even comprehend the fact that you failed to answer the question, and yet you far surpass me intellectually, haha. Ok.


:facepalm

i don't even care, since arguing with religious people is always a waste of time because they aren't grounded in reality or practical thought at all.

[Nick Young]

Intellectually, you are not on my level, as you have repeatedly failed to answer the simple question of where morals came from and what they mean if God didn't instill them. Hint: I already gave you the answer.
Christianity is a corrupted offshoot of Judaism mixed with European pagan traditions. If there is a 'word of god', Christianity is not the religion that preaches it.

[Orlando Magic]

:facepalm

i don't even care, since arguing with religious people is always a waste of time because they aren't grounded in reality or practical thought at all.

You do care, you're just an idiot.

Nowitness potentially(from my viewpoint) is what you aspire to be, but will never be. An intellectual unbeliever. You're just an idiotic unbeliever.

Intelligence can be stretched but ultimately it is what it is, it can't be developed, and you're lacking.


Nowitness... You might be right, as I admitted that it was one of the two options, I just can't accept that. Because, absolutely correct, I could just do whatever the **** I wanted and it all means nothing.

I personally have a deep emotional problem with the idea that this all means nothing. I can't separate myself from that fear... of death... and that I'm never coming back. An eternity of nothing. Yes, I understand the concept of not existing and thus not having to worry about it because my consciousness is gone. I get all that... it still bothers me.

But anyways...

[GimmeThat]

if people stop holding such high regards/focus on unemployment rate, as well as unemployment benefits.

sure.

[Nowitness]

You do care, you're just an idiot.

Nowitness potentially(from my viewpoint) is what you aspire to be, but will never be. An intellectual unbeliever. You're just an idiotic unbeliever.

Intelligence can be stretched but ultimately it is what it is, it can't be developed, and you're lacking.


Nowitness... You might be right, as I admitted that it was one of the two options, I just can't accept that. Because, absolutely correct, I could just do whatever the **** I wanted and it all means nothing.

I personally have a deep emotional problem with the idea that this all means nothing. I can't separate myself from that fear... of death... and that I'm never coming back. An eternity of nothing. Yes, I understand the concept of not existing and thus not having to worry about it because my consciousness is gone. I get all that... it still bothers me.

But anyways...

What you have just done is affirmed your fear. You fear that this is it, so under the banner of either God or religion you use wish thinking. Sorry, I refuse to do this.

If you want to believe in an afterlife so be it, I will never change your opinion. Don't spread it on anyone else, have a serious debate with me here. I sympathize with you, I fear dying (not death, just look at it as the state you were in before birth). Make of this life (the only thing which is 99% surefire) what you can. Don't waste it by believing there is more.

BTW explain this intelligence to me that you have. I love how believers instantly resort to insult like calling Atheists dumb, I don't think you're dumb for believing thousand year old fairytales, it does however mean you're sure of an answer, the dumbest of all positions one can hold.

[sweggeh]

Godzuki is a phakkit.

[Orlando Magic]

What you have just done is affirmed your fear. You fear that this is it, so under the banner of either God or religion you use wish thinking. Sorry, I refuse to do this.

If you want to believe in an afterlife so be it, I will never change your opinion. Don't spread it on anyone else, have a serious debate with me here. I sympathize with you, I fear dying (not death, just look at it as the state you were in before birth). Make of this life (the only thing which is 99% surefire) what you can. Don't waste it by believing there is more.

BTW explain this intelligence to me that you have. I love how believers instantly resort to insult like calling Atheists dumb, I don't think you're dumb for believing thousand year old fairytales, it does however mean you're sure of an answer, the dumbest of all positions one can hold.

You're starting to lose my faith in your intelligence, now, because I never questioned yours and you're acting as if I did. In fact, in my previous post, I complimented you.

I was insulting his/hers, not yours, because of his/her inability to follow a simple question that I posed.

He's not dumb because he's an atheist. He's dumb because he's dumb. There are many great intellects that are atheist. Haha.

[Godzuki]

Godzuki is a phakkit.

everyones a h8ter :pimp:

[Nowitness]

You're starting to lose my faith in your intelligence, now, because I never questioned yours and you're acting as if I did. In fact, in my previous post, I complimented you.

I was insulting his/hers, not yours, because of his/her inability to follow a simple question that I posed.

He's not dumb because he's an atheist. He's dumb because he's dumb. There are many great intellects that are atheist. Haha.

You are right. I saw that as you saying Nowitness will never be An intellectual unbeliever. I agree with you, this do is foolish.

[sweggeh]

everyones a h8ter :pimp:

No, seriously you are a phakkit. I have noticed. You are unable to think for yourself. You just follow the trends. Pro Choice, Pro Israel, Pro Gay Rights, Pro Atheism, pro pretty much anything, right? I have never seen you raise a point that was even slightly controversial. All you do is hate on those who actually use their minds to come up with their own conclusions, even if sheep like you attack them.

You are probably against incest right now but no doubt you will be campaigning for it in 20-30 years time. I know people like you.

[Godzuki]

You're starting to lose my faith in your intelligence, now, because I never questioned yours and you're acting as if I did. In fact, in my previous post, I complimented you.

I was insulting his/hers, not yours, because of his/her inability to follow a simple question that I posed.

He's not dumb because he's an atheist. He's dumb because he's dumb. There are many great intellects that are atheist. Haha.


i don't care about your stupid philosophizing, i don't care to go that deep and retarded on this issue. i'm sure i could follow it if i cared or read your whole initial wall of txts but why when you're veering so far away from the topic and whats practical on this issue.

i don't give a fukk about your personal convictions, fear of death, or whatever lol. who gives a shit, thats your issue to deal with. this is about abortion, practical solutions, and your argument being retarded based on your own issues.

[Godzuki]

No, seriously you are a phakkit. I have noticed. You are unable to think for yourself. You just follow the trends. Pro Choice, Pro Israel, Pro Gay Rights, Pro Atheism, pro pretty much anything, right? I have never seen you raise a point that was even slightly controversial. All you do is hate on those who actually use their minds to come up with their own conclusions, even if sheep like you attack them.

You are probably against incest right now but no doubt you will be campaigning for it in 20-30 years time. I know people like you.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

you do realize you're basically THE BIGGEST SHEEP pretending to call others sheep. you are right wing talk...you think your thoughts are original? :oldlol:

you're dumb as fukk too where you can't even explain why you think this or that, or rather shallow as a MFer...at least everything i say i can at least support with logical reasoning but you talking about only the pregnant woman should care, and can't even respond to my simple, obvious rebuttle....seriously dude have you graduated middle school?

most of my opinions here on this site with serious topics aren't written anywhere on the internet, nor are my insults i think....i'm pretty sure they're 100% original...if you find them somewhere let me know because i'd love to meet myself somewhere :cheers:

and wtf is that last sentence? rofl you're a foreign conspiracy retard too i bet. 'incest'? campaigniing 20-30 years? WTF? english MF'er...speak english :lol

you're just mad at the positions i take on my views being the opposite of yours i figure. you really should learn to at least explain why you think the way you do, and take that stance....because from what i've seen you definitely can't. seriously talk about sheep/brainwashed...the nerve of some people lol. i swear all of you pro palestinian people in that Israel thread just cry that we don't side with you but make ZERO reasonable arguments for why we should be on your side. its some really stupid shit...like guilt trip over logical argument shit.

[sweggeh]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

you do realize you're basically THE BIGGEST SHEEP pretending to call others sheep. you are right wing talk...you think your thoughts are original? :oldlol:

you're dumb as fukk too where you can't even explain why you think this or that, or rather shallow as a MFer...at least everything i say i can at least support with logical reasoning but you talking about only the pregnant woman should care, and can't even respond to my simple, obvious rebuttle....seriously dude have you graduated middle school?

most of my opinions here on this site with serious topics aren't written anywhere on the internet, nor are my insults i think....i'm pretty sure they're 100% original...if you find them somewhere let me know because i'd love to meet myself somewhere :cheers:

http://img.pandawhale.com/37020-didnt-read-lol-eLU8.gif

[Godzuki]

http://img.pandawhale.com/37020-didnt-read-lol-eLU8.gif


well u can barely speak english so i get it takes a lot of time to get thru all of that :oldlol:

[sweggeh]

well u can barely speak english so i get it takes a lot of time to get thru all of that :oldlol:

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Me, the guy who lives in London, England, and got maximum grades in my English GCSE's and A Levels. I cannot speak English as well as an anime loving freak who I presume lives in USA and sounds as though he isn't a day over 13. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for the information.

[Godzuki]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Me, the guy who lives in London, England, and got maximum grades in my English GCSE's and A Levels. I cannot speak English as well as an anime loving freak who I presume lives in USA and sounds as though he isn't a day over 13. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for the information.


lol @ "maximum english" :roll: :roll: :roll:

yeah the foreign kid on ISH 24/7 starting retarded threads constantly...probably doubling more than any other poster here in recent memory tbh. someone check that pls :lol

i bet all of your teeth are yellow and rotten too. amirite? :oldlol: no wonder u don't go out....

lets get it on kid :cheers:

[sweggeh]

lol @ "maximum english" :roll: :roll: :roll:

yeah the foreign kid on ISH 24/7 starting retarded threads constantly...probably doubling more than any other poster here in recent memory tbh. someone check that pls :lol

i bet all of your teeth are yellow and rotten too. amirite? :oldlol: no wonder u don't go out....

lets get it on kid :cheers:

Yeah, I know right? Look at my post count! Its so high! I must be here posting every single day!

Yeah, every single person in England has yellow and rotted teeth, you are definitely right there. Your knowledge of England is humbling, I must bow down to your greatness :bowdown:

I realise you may have a form of down syndrome, so I think its wise to clarify that I was using something called sarcasm when I wrote my earlier paragraph. In addition I would like to assert that the city I live in, London, is greater than the city you live in, which is probably some US backwater. The fact is you know that and I know that, so lets stop insulting peoples homes before you get embarrassed further.

[Godzuki]

Yeah, I know right? Look at my post count! Its so high! I must be here posting every single day!

Yeah, every single person in England has yellow and rotted teeth, you are definitely right there. Your knowledge of England is humbling, I must bow down to your greatness :bowdown:

I realise you may have a form of down syndrome, so I think its wise to clarify that I was using something called sarcasm when I wrote my earlier paragraph. In addition I would like to assert that the city I live in, London, is greater than the city you live in, which is probably some US backwater. The fact is you know that and I know that, so lets stop insulting peoples homes before you get embarrassed further.


i'm guessing it took you that long because you had to run spell check and double check your grammar so i wouldn't clown you for it again, right? :oldlol:

good job tho, much better than your last couple posts, noticeably so :applause:

and yeah a lot of u got some real fukked up teeth, even your PM's...also why does it seem like all it does is rain over there? its like constantly drab and overcast...i guess thats why kids like you end up all depressed and shit, never going out other than to a pub to fukk your teeth up even more :lol

and don't even get me started on the food...i think everyone knows how shitty english food is tho. i'm sure u enjoy spiced dikk tho, fukkin english fgt :cheers:

[IamRAMBO24]

Godzuki being an a*s like always. Ignore him sweggeh. Don't take him seriously. He's an idiot. I completely agree with what you are saying. You sound like a smart guy while he's acting like an immature fakkit. Don't stoop to his level, maintain your composure, and keep speaking the truth.

[Godzuki]

Godzuki being an a*s like always.


i didn't start these beefs, feel free to check :oldlol:

jump in and white knight tho, its how this shit always turns into me vs everyone :pimp:

almost forgot you're that other foreign conspiracy retard always blaming America here too :lol

jump in fgt, instead of this passive aggressive shit...i can probably kill 2 birds with 1 stone considering you're both foreigners into soccer i think, and from england i'd guess.

[sweggeh]

i'm guessing it took you that long because you had to run spell check and double check your grammar so i wouldn't clown you for it again, right? :oldlol:

good job tho, much better than your last couple posts, noticeably so :applause:

and yeah a lot of u got some real fukked up teeth, even your PM's...also why does it seem like all it does is rain over there? its like constantly drab and overcast...i guess thats why kids like you end up all depressed and shit, never going out other than to a pub to fukk your teeth up even more :lol

and don't even get me started on the food...i think everyone knows how shitty english food is tho. i'm sure u enjoy spiced dikk tho, fukkin english fgt :cheers:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

My nikka is so butthurt its unbelievable. Come to London and then tell me all this shit to my face. Have you even got a passport? I highly doubt it LOL

You f*ckin loser. Where are you from huh? After all that shit you been talking you better be from Paris or New York or you dun fcked up hard.

[IamRAMBO24]

i didn't start these beefs, feel free to check :oldlol:

jump in and white knight tho, its how this shit always turns into me vs everyone :pimp:

Your arguments are flawed. There is not one single intelligent and seminal line in any of your posts. You straw with ad hocs too much to be taken seriously in any debate, in fact, it is impossible to debate with you because of this.

[Godzuki]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

My nikka is so butthurt its unbelievable. Come to London and then tell me all this shit to my face. Have you even got a passport? I highly doubt it LOL

You f*ckin loser. Where are you from huh? After all that shit you been talking you better be from Paris or New York or you dun fcked up hard.


ROFL now u want to fight in RL? :roll: :roll:

i'd knock all your teeth out kid, if they weren't already all falling out :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sweggeh]

Godzuki being an a*s like always. Ignore him sweggeh. Don't take him seriously. He's an idiot. I completely agree with what you are saying. You sound like a smart guy while he's acting like an immature fakkit. Don't stoop to his level, maintain your composure, and keep speaking the truth.

Yeah I know mate, dont worry. The dude has no friends, not even online, so I knew what I was getting myself into when I engaged him.

[sweggeh]

ROFL now u want to fight in RL? :roll: :roll:

i'd knock all your teeth out kid, if they weren't already all falling out :roll: :roll: :roll:

Why didnt you answer where you were from? And dont bother lying cause your IP can be used to find out your real whereabouts.

[Godzuki]

Your arguments are flawed. There is not one single intelligent and seminal line in any of your posts. You straw with ad hocs too much to be taken seriously in any debate, in fact, it is impossible to debate with you because of this.


only if you could actually bring some facts to something instead of constant retard conspiracy shit without a clue of anything.

like i said people like you are as big of sheep there are in this world, and the funny thing is you think everyone else are sheep for not believing in your paranoid delusions. you're not smart at all, but you keep acting like it, and its funny to me :lol

whens the last time you've seen the dentist btw? just curious :confusedshrug:

[Godzuki]

Why didnt you answer where you were from? And dont bother lying cause your IP can be used to find out your real whereabouts.


damn for someone in red used to trolling this forum you are getting real butthurt and serious :roll: :roll:

you will never beat me in anything foreign conspiracy retard w/ rotten teeth :cheers:

[sweggeh]

Godzuki getting exposed :oldlol:

Dude cant even name the city he lives in. Damn....

[Godzuki]

Yeah I know mate, dont worry. The dude has no friends, not even online, so I knew what I was getting myself into when I engaged him.


stop saying mate fgt, y'all sound gay as fukk when u do that. just saying and trying to help don't shoot the messenger :cheers:

[ballup]

So what about abortion for rape victims?

[Godzuki]

Godzuki getting exposed :oldlol:

Dude cant even name the city he lives in. Damn....


exposed? :biggums:

pretty sure i've jabbed you like 3-4 times at least, and all you can do is call your coach into your corner for moral support talking about 'mates' :lol

[sweggeh]

stop saying mate fgt, y'all sound gay as fukk when u do that. just saying and trying to help don't shoot the messenger :cheers:

Hmm.. thats suprising. When I went to New York the girls were telling me they loved my British accent. I even got a few lays just cause of my accent Im sure. But Godzuki says its gay, so it must be so.

[IamRAMBO24]

only if you could actually bring some facts to something instead of constant retard conspiracy shit without a clue of anything.

like i said people like you are as big of sheep there are in this world, and the funny thing is you think everyone else are sheep for not believing in your paranoid delusions. you're not smart at all, but you keep acting like it, and its funny to me :lol

whens the last time you've seen the dentist btw? just curious :confusedshrug:

1. The abortion issue is an ethics issue. You have proven your ignorance by discarding this aspect and strawing it to a practical issue.

2. Again, you are going after the character. I am merely attacking your fallacies. I am attacking the argument. All you are concern about is hurting the person.

[sweggeh]

Godzuki have you ever had a girlfriend? :oldlol:

Are you still a virgin?

How old are you?

[Godzuki]

1. The abortion issue is an ethics issue. You have proven your ignorance by discarding this aspect and strawing it to a practical issue.

2. Again, you are going after the character. I am merely attacking your fallacies. I am attacking the argument. All you are concern about is hurting the person.


i did explain ethics, or rather one can have ethics without religion. be more specific but i don't think you will...

no, i gave my views initially. that other person called me dumb for not responding to some point he made in a wall of txt...i kept on the practical and simple. i bit back at some point after they called me dumb again.

and this rotten teeth retard sweggeh kid actually had the nerve to say "only the pregnant girl should care about this issue and anyone who is pro choice is a idiot/dumbass/etc" whatever....then i responded about the guy paying paternity amongst other things, but rotten teeth kid didn't come back with anything but attacking me for my stances on issues calling me a sheep LOL :oldlol:

then your bitch ass came talking about 'mate' to support him and hold his hand against evil Godzuki :pimp:

what did i miss? :confusedshrug:

[sweggeh]

GODZUKI WHERE DO YOU LIVE? WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTION? ARE YOU ASHAMED? DONT MAKE US TRACE YOUR IP.

:oldlol:

[Godzuki]

GODZUKI WHERE DO YOU LIVE? WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTION? ARE YOU ASHAMED? DONT MAKE US TRACE YOUR IP.

:oldlol:


damn someones mad ROFL :roll: :roll: :roll:

yo rotten teeth kid, do your parents have bad teeth too? you guys ever hear of toothpaste? u try that baking soda tip i provided in that other thread?

hows the breath btw? i bet thats bad too....lucky you in England where everyone else has bad teeth and breath. if you came to America bitches be walking away holdiing their nose....

you talkiing about gf's too, the nerve of someone with bad breath and rotten teeth :lol

[sweggeh]

damn someones mad ROFL :roll: :roll: :roll:

yo rotten teeth kid, do your parents have bad teeth too? you guys ever hear of toothpaste? u try that baking soda tip i provided in that other thread?

hows the breath btw? i bet thats bad too....lucky you in England where everyone else has bad teeth and breath. if you came to America bitches be walking away holdiing their nose....

you talkiing about gf's too, the nerve of someone with bad breath and rotten teeth :lol

I was in America for a week and I would bet you anything I have slept with more American girls than you have. In fact you basically admitted it when you didnt reply when I asked if you were a virgin or if you ever had a girlfriend.

Ill give you a tip on how to really hurt someone online, because right now you clearly need help. You can call someone fat, say they have bad teeth, say they have bad breath, etc. But it isnt effective because you literally know nothing about that person and it just doesnt really hurt them cause they can tell you are reaching.

What really hurts them is when you bombard them with the truth of their own inadequacy. An example of that is me telling you that you have never had a girlfriend and that you are a virgin. Also that you are poor and live somewhere shitty. These are real truths that, when this pathetic excuse for a flame war is over, will leave you depressed, traumatized and crying over your cereal tomorrow morning.

[Godzuki]

I was in America for a week and I would bet you anything I have slept with more American girls than you have. In fact you basically admitted it when you didnt reply when I asked if you were a virgin or if you ever had a girlfriend.

Ill give you a tip on how to really hurt someone online, because right now you clearly need help. You can call someone fat, say they have bad teeth, say they have bad breath, etc. But it isnt effective because you literally know nothing about that person and it just doesnt really hurt them cause they can tell you are reaching.

What really hurts them is when you bombard them with the truth of their own inadequacy. An example of that is me telling you that you have never had a girlfriend and that you are a virgin. Also that you are poor and live somewhere shitty. These are real truths that, when this pathetic excuse for a flame war is over, will leave you depressed, traumatized and crying over your cereal tomorrow morning.


tldr :facepalm

[gigantes]

whether you're ready or not, stable or poor, you can not get rid of these embryos of clean slate minds.
as i just articulated via the process of 'rep,' please go f-ck yourself.

[sweggeh]

tldr :facepalm

Game.Set.Match

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121228051736/glee/images/3/30/You_are_a_loser.gif

[MavsSuperFan]

Abortions and Crime: Freakonomics Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw
Discuss

Levitt's Crime Research: Freakonomics Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rDdMlKV2Mg
Discuss

[sweggeh]

Abortions and Crime: Freakonomics Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw
Discuss

Levitt's Crime Research: Freakonomics Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rDdMlKV2Mg
Discuss

Its a cheap road to take. Crime can be fixed by improving peoples quality of life, not by denying them life so they have no potential to be criminals. Thats just ignoring the real issue.

[MavsSuperFan]

Its a cheap road to take. Crime can be fixed by improving peoples quality of life, not by denying them life so they have no potential to be criminals. Thats just ignoring the real issue.
Lets be honest, that would take money that this country isnt willing to spend.

[step_back]

Abortion when used as a form of contraception I completely disagree with.

However if a woman had gotten pregnant from being raped I'd have a hard time telling her she's in the wrong by getting an abortion. I'm still very much on the fence regarding this issue.

[sweggeh]

Abortion when used as a form of contraception I completely disagree with.

However if a woman had gotten pregnant from being raped I'd have a hard time telling her she's in the wrong by getting an abortion. I'm still very much on the fence regarding this issue.

Yeah I agree with the rape thing, it gets really dicey at that point.

[MavsSuperFan]

Abortion when used as a form of contraception I completely disagree with.

However if a woman had gotten pregnant from being raped I'd have a hard time telling her she's in the wrong by getting an abortion. I'm still very much on the fence regarding this issue.
Abortions to prevent the birth of a baby conceived by rape are about 1% of all abortions.

Also medically necessary abortions are less than 1% of abortions.

If you believe that abortions should only be legal for rape and to save the mothers life, you believe that 98%+ of abortions should be illegal.


Even though, according to Planned Parenthood’s own statistics, less than 1% of all abortions are performed on women who were raped or were victims of incest, pro-choice activists insist that abortion must be legal for these women, even if it leads to thousands of women a year having abortions for other reasons.

[sweggeh]

Abortions to prevent the birth of a baby conceived by rape are about 1% of all abortions.

Also medically necessary abortions are less than 1% of abortions.

If you believe that abortions should only be legal for rape and to save the mothers life, you believe that 98%+ of abortions should be illegal.

Yes, exactly that.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Lets be honest, that would take money that this country isnt willing to spend.
Greed, the source of these problems.











Next.

[MavsSuperFan]

Greed, the source of these problems.

Next.
I wouldnt support the level of redistribution, I believe is needed to solve the poverty problem in America.

I want tax rates at the clinton levels, a full repeal of the bush tax cuts. That wouldnt be enough to eliminate poverty.

i dont think societies that tax at 50% of income or higher are fair societies. (nominal tax rates are meaningless, I am talking about actual effective tax rates)
Also that would hurt the economy in the long run

[MavsSuperFan]

Yes, exactly that.
Good luck repealing roe v. wade

[sweggeh]

Good luck repealing roe v. wade

I told you that there are other ways of cleaning up crime than killing kids. The two are mutually exclusive.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

I wouldnt support the level of redistribution, I believe is needed to solve the poverty problem in America.

I want tax rates at the clinton levels, a full repeal of the bush tax cuts. That wouldnt be enough to eliminate poverty.

i dont think societies that tax at 50% of income or higher are fair societies. (nominal tax rates are meaningless, I am talking about actual effective tax rates)
Also that would hurt the economy in the long run
Ideally, they should cap the networth of every person to about $20 million then any money they have above $20 million is distributed to the poorest people in the country.

But that ain't happening since people want to make it rain 24/7. Any person that can't live a happy life with 20 million has a fvcking problem:facepalm

*Taxes will taken into consideration later.

[step_back]

Abortions to prevent the birth of a baby conceived by rape are about 1% of all abortions.

Also medically necessary abortions are less than 1% of abortions.

If you believe that abortions should only be legal for rape and to save the mothers life, you believe that 98%+ of abortions should be illegal.

Then I disagree with 98% of abortions. Making it illegal to have an abortion if it's not from rape or medically necessary changes my attitude. I don't think abortions should be illegal. I like the idea of people being able to make decisions for themselves without the government stepping in.

I think we need to have a better approach to sex education out of wed lock. Contraception is still a taboo among many families.

[sweggeh]

Ideally, they should cap the networth of every person to about $20 million then any money they have above $10 million is distributed to the poorest people in the country.

But that ain't happening since people want to make it rain 24/7. Any person that can't live a happy life with 20 million has a fvcking problem:facepalm

Nah I dont agree with that, that would be terrible. You could always run into some crazy debt and need that money that you worked hard for. Plus 20m isnt enough for some lifestyles.

[Droid101]

Abortion when used as a form of contraception I completely disagree with.

Literally nobody does this. Nobody.

[Meticode]

if aborting a fetus/embryo is morally wrong based on the logic of denying life to a potential human being, then how is *********ion not morally wrong as well? if you *********e then those sperm cells are killed, and the sperm is one half of the constitution of an embryo. those are potential lives that you are killing by *********ing. how can you defend the morality of *********ion while attacking abortion?

hell, let's take it a step further. a woman should also have a moral obligation to get pregnant before ovulating because every egg that doesn't get fertilized is a waste of potential life. ladies should be making more of an effort to get pregnant, if anything, because it's morally wrong to deny life to a potential human being
Because *********ing isn't the joining of a woman and man's DNA (conception). This is how I feel about it personally. I'm fine with people trying to prevent conception, whether through condoms, or birth control, or *********ion, but I pretty much disagree with people trying to erase conception after it's happened.

[Meticode]

Literally nobody does this. Nobody.
Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.

[Godzuki]

I don't believe it should be used as a form of contraception or as a way of dealing with negligence. Even though the child is unborn it's still a living growing person, in my eyes at least.

That being said a lot of abortions could be avoided all together if we had a 21st century approach to sex education and taught kids how to go about having sex safely and responsibly using condoms. We're still on this attitude of preventing it by advising people to wait until they're married. That didn't work for my generation, it didn't work for my parents generation and it certainly won't work for any future generations. You'll never stop people from having sex but you can make sure they don't have to deal with going through an abortion by preventing it in the first place.

I don't think abortions should be illegal because even though 98% of abortions I don't agree with or like, I still think it should be someones right to choose and not that of the government.


you can't really believe what you're saying, right? Has sex education ever prevented people from having sex without condoms? like people don't know they can get a girl pregnant without a rubber? Its like extremely naive parent stuff, cmon you HAVE to be more practical than that....they do it because it feels a lot better without one or its spur of the moment heat.

and the thing is you'd have to create a near 100% non accidental pregnancy deterrence, otherwise its a issue that will have to be addressed.

i always laffed during sex ed classes in middle school, nobody took them seriously, in fact everyone would just laff throughout half the class at stuff the teacher was pointing out. its really where adults can be extremely naive and wasteful with money expenditures. if there are stats that support it worked, i would say it came from something else....

[step_back]

Literally nobody does this. Nobody.

People most certainly do have unprotected sex and get an abortion if they fall pregnant as a way of treating an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm guessing this is more about the semantics of what I said.

[step_back]

you can't really believe what you're saying, right? Has sex education ever prevented people from having sex without condoms? like people don't know they can get a girl pregnant without a rubber? Its like extremely naive parent stuff, cmon you HAVE to be more practical than that....they do it because it feels a lot better without one or its spur of the moment heat.

and the thing is you'd have to create a near 100% non accidental pregnancy deterrence, otherwise its a issue that will have to be addressed.

i always laffed during sex ed classes in middle school, nobody took them seriously, in fact everyone would just laff throughout half the class at stuff the teacher was pointing out. its really where adults can be extremely naive and wasteful with money expenditures. if there are stats that support it worked, i would say it came from something else....

Why would I not believe what I said?

I just said sex education needs to enter the 21st century because right now it's not working. :facepalm

[Godzuki]

Why would I not believe what I said?

I just said sex education needs to enter the 21st century because right now it's not working. :facepalm


so you really believe more education that 'putting a dikk in a vj can make babies' classes in school will stop unwanted pregnancies?

this is where i have major issues with wasted tax money expenditures. I just feel those people who push that are very out of touch older generational people.

I do think giving out free condoms helps but won't solve the issue. nothing will. most people act and think later, especially in the heat of passion.

[Meticode]

People most certainly do have unprotected sex and get an abortion if they fall pregnant as a way of treating an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm guessing this is more about the semantics of what I said.
Technically abortion isn't contraception. The definition of contraception is to deliberately prevent pregnancy. If you abort while pregnant you were already pregnant, therefore you're not preventing pregnancy since it's already occurred.

But I still get what you're saying. People use abortion casually as a anti-birth method.

[PHX_Phan]

I hate when people attach the word selfish to those who support abortion.

The way I see it, way too many people have kids for selfish reasons. Whether it's cause they are lonely or feel like they are losing purpose in life, or just depressed. Having a kid and being a parent is an interesting idea. A life that looks up to you and loves you unconditionally. People ignore the reality because they like the idea of having kids.

Why do you think poor people have so many kids? It gives them purpose...something to look forward to in their otherwise shitty lives.

That, to me, is selfish. Making a decision that you are not ready to care for another life is not selfish.

[ImKobe]

So, If a woman gets raped and gets pregnant, she should deliver the baby because all babies deserve a chance to live?

[Nanners]

Its funny that people are so concerned about unborn babies yet they dont give a shit about that baby once it is actually born. For example, the amount of young children that die to preventable waterborne illnesses in third world countries every year absolutely dwarfs the amount of abortions worldwide, yet I have never seen a single post around here talking about how important it is to increase access to clean drinking water in third world countries.

[step_back]

Technically abortion isn't contraception. The definition of contraception is to deliberately prevent pregnancy. If you abort while pregnant you were already pregnant, therefore you're not preventing pregnancy since it's already occurred.

But I still get what you're saying. People use abortion casually as a anti-birth method.

That's why I said the semantics of what I said. Yes technically it's not contraception and I didn't use the term correctly, but I was trying to make a point that abortion does have a nonchalant attitude and is used as somewhat of an extension of the morning after pill.

Godzuki I made it perfectly clear in my post that sex education needs to enter the 21st century. Why contraception is used and how it should be implemented. Kids are going to have sex, they should know and feel confident in asking and dealing with it than the current "Wait until you're married" which generally is the convenient answer.

[PHX_Phan]

Its funny that people are so concerned about unborn babies yet they dont give a shit about that baby once it is actually born. For example, the amount of young children that die to preventable waterborne illnesses in third world countries every year absolutely dwarfs the amount of abortions worldwide, yet I have never seen a single post around here talking about how important it is to increase access to clean drinking water in third world countries.

What's even more funny are the ones who champion adoption as an alternative to abortion but have never at least considered adopting a child as an alternative to having their own.

[Droid101]

Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.
Some would be incorrect. The Morning after pill prevents the egg from implanting on the uterine wall. There is no embryo to abort yet.

[navy]

Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.
Mind giving me a link to this.

[Droid101]

Mind giving me a link to this.
Here is how Plan-B works:

http://www.webmd.com/women/guide/plan-b

[Knoe Itawl]

I generally can't take most anti abortion people seriously because they typically refuse to address the following issues:

A. You can say that people shouldn't have sex unless they're willing to take care of a child all you want to but the urge to procreate is THE strongest urge in all lifeforms. As such, human beings will always do it, whether you like it or not. However, being that human beings have a unique societal structure when compared to other high life forms, they don't always want/ or are able to handle the results.

Many children are born into abusive environments where they are resented because the mother didn't really want the child, didn't have the ability to take care of it, etc. This leads to all sorts of societal problems.

Because you don't LIKE that people will have sex, and unwanted pregnancies will spawn from it doesn't change the fact that they will happen. You're basically trying to stop nature. While I don't AGREE with people recklessly having sex, I have to accept that it will always be the case as long as there are human beings, and we have to deal with those results. And sometimes, that is the unpleasant issue of abortion.

B. Making abortion illegal will only lead to back alley abortions, and you can also bet that those with the means will go to other places where abortion is legal so that their 15 year olds' life isn't ruined. So basically, it will become a situation where those who can afford it will be able to, and the poor will not. Basically you will have women killed from botched procedures, or even worse trying to perform them themselves, while those with the financial ability will get them anyway.

C. If you're so concerned about these unborn, unwanted babies, why don't YOU adopt some of them? So many hypocrites are soooo concerned about the baby being born but then want to cut things like food stamps, welfare programs, etc. that help to take care of the children born to parents that can't afford them. If you really feel all kids should be born, then you should really support a society that pays for the complete upkeep of the child until adulthood. And given all of the unfit mothers that will have kids, should support adopting some yourself as they will end up in the foster system, orphanges, etc.

D. There is a separation of church and state. That means if you feel your religion feels it's "murder" or whatever, that's fine. Just don't impose your beliefs on the rest of us who don't as your religious beliefs should have nothing to do with how laws are crafted.

E. The earth already has 7 billion people! Many scientists believe that if we continue to overpopulate the earth, it will have dire consequences in the future as resources become more and more scarce. Income inequality worldwide is already a major issue. Now you want to bring millions more children into it?

[Balla_Status]

I generally can't take most anti abortion people seriously because they typically refuse to address the following issues:

A. You can say that people shouldn't have sex unless they're willing to take care of a child all you want to but the urge to procreate is THE strongest urge in all lifeforms. As such, human beings will always do it, whether you like it or not. However, being that human beings have a unique societal structure when compared to other high life forms, they don't always want/ or are able to handle the results.

Many children are born into abusive environments where they are resented because the mother didn't really want the child, didn't have the ability to take care of it, etc. This leads to all sorts of societal problems.

Because you don't LIKE that people will have sex, and unwanted pregnancies will spawn from it doesn't change the fact that they will happen. You're basically trying to stop nature. While I don't AGREE with people recklessly having sex, I have to accept that it will always be the case as long as there are human beings, and we have to deal with those results. And sometimes, that is the unpleasant issue of abortion.

B. Making abortion illegal will only lead to back alley abortions, and you can also bet that those with the means will go to other places where abortion is legal so that their 15 year olds' life isn't ruined. So basically, it will become a situation where those who can afford it will be able to, and the poor will not. Basically you will have women killed from botched procedures, or even worse trying to perform them themselves, while those with the financial ability will get them anyway.

C. If you're so concerned about these unborn, unwanted babies, why don't YOU adopt some of them? So many hypocrites are soooo concerned about the baby being born but then want to cut things like food stamps, welfare programs, etc. that help to take care of the children born to parents that can't afford them. If you really feel all kids should be born, then you should really support a society that pays for the complete upkeep of the child until adulthood. And given all of the unfit mothers that will have kids, should support adopting some yourself as they will end up in the foster system, orphanges, etc.

D. There is a separation of church and state. That means if you feel your religion feels it's "murder" or whatever, that's fine. Just don't impose your beliefs on the rest of us who don't as your religious beliefs should have nothing to do with how laws are crafted.

E. The earth already has 7 billion people! Many scientists believe that if we continue to overpopulate the earth, it will have dire consequences in the future as resources become more and more scarce. Income inequality worldwide is already a major issue. Now you want to bring millions more children into it?

Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.

[GimmeThat]

Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.


so you think that paying the government to raise children without any parent over sighting is the solution to the cure?

[Knoe Itawl]

Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.

And like most anti-abortion crusaders you don't bother to address the very relevant points I brought up and fall back on the "I think it's wrong!" mantra like a child. That's why I said I can't take you seriously. You dont want to get into the nitty gritty of the issue and prefer instead to fall back on tired emotional protestations.

Also, nowhere did I ever say abortion wasn't "f*cked up". You types also have a habit of suggesting that because someone is pro choice that they don't understand that it is very unfortunate situation that no one should have to find themselves in. We just realize it's more complex than yelling that you think it's wrong and murder over and over again.

Finally, you said I had "bullshyt justifications" but took no time to explain WHY they are bullshyt which makes your claim meaningless.

[GimmeThat]

And like most anti-abortion crusaders you don't bother to address the very relevant points I brought up and fall back on the "I think it's wrong!" mantra like a child. That's why I said I can't take you seriously. You dont want to get into the nitty gritty of the issue and prefer instead to fall back on tired emotional protestations.

Also, nowhere did I ever say abortion wasn't "f*cked up". You types also have a habit of suggesting that because someone is pro choice that they don't understand that it is very unfortunate situation that no one should have to find themselves in. We just realize it's more complex than yelling that you think it's wrong and murder over and over again.

Finally, you said I had "bullshyt justifications" but took no time to explain WHY they are bullshyt which makes your claim meaningless.



I think they should prohibit people from getting pregnant just so they can practice abortion.

but I'm probably in the rare

[riseagainst]

only times abortion should be allowed is when the sex was not by choice, and the birth of the baby could cause either the mother or the baby to die. All other instances should be banned.

[sweggeh]

only times abortion should be allowed is when the sex was not by choice, and the birth of the baby could cause either the mother or the baby to die. All other instances should be banned.

Yep. I agree 100%. Hoes out here taking weekly trips to the abortion clinic like its the salon and fools in this thread are defending it.

[Droid101]

I wonder how many times they mention abortion in the Bible.

[sweggeh]

I wonder how many times they mention abortion in the Bible.

This is nothing to do with religion, read the thread title.

[IamRAMBO24]

I can dominate this thread if I choose to, but I will let it play out until someone thinks he has the last word.

[ILLsmak]

Abortion is wrong, I agree, but people are so irresponsible that they have kids in situations where they can't take care of them among other things. So, in the worst possible circumstance does a baby deserve to live a shit life and grow up as a deviant or psychopath? It's just bad all around. For me, I'd advise people I know against it. I would never do it, and if she aborted my baby I'd snap, but as for the world, I can't get mad over what other people are doing. Been there, it's not good for your health.

-Smak

[Droid101]

This is nothing to do with religion, read the thread title.
I was just asking a question.

Anyway, back to my main point: If you're not a woman, you don't get an opinion. Butt out.

It's legal and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States.

If you want to try to help do YOUR part to reduce the number of abortions, here's what you can do:

Donate money to Planned Parenthood and other providers of free contraceptives.

Donate or volunteer to educate youth about birth control, safe sex, etc.

Vote for the local political candidates who support comprehensive sex ed and subsidized birth control methods. Do NOT vote for candidates that wish to legislate "abstinence only" sexual education.

I can hook you up with more ways to help out if you like. Let me know.

[sweggeh]

I was just asking a question.

Anyway, back to my main point: If you're not a woman, you don't get an opinion. Butt out.

It's legal and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States.

If you want to try to help do YOUR part to reduce the number of abortions, here's what you can do:

Donate money to Planned Parenthood and other providers of free contraceptives.

Donate or volunteer to educate youth about birth control, safe sex, etc.

Vote for the local political candidates who support comprehensive sex ed and subsidized birth control methods. Do NOT vote for candidates that wish to legislate "abstinence only" sexual education.

I can hook you up with more ways to help out if you like. Let me know.

Why do people need money to teach people safe sex? What is school for? The majority of people know all about sex ed but these women are so insatiable that they disregard the future for a few minutes with some hard di.ck.

Also, why are women the only people allowed to discuss this? Let me guess, because its their body right? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Once you have a kid in you it is your responsibility to protect it. When a passenger is in my car, I may own the car but I still have a responsibility to maintain the safety of my passenger. I cant just push them out in the middle of the road because I am too lazy and say "its my car!".

[Droid101]

Why do people need money to teach people safe sex? What is school for? The majority of people know all about sex ed but these women are so insatiable that they disregard the future for a few minutes with some hard di.ck.You realize some schools just say "The only way to stay safe is to not have sex at all" and leave it at that, right? If you don't teach boys and girls about birth control methods and how to avoid STD's and unwanted pregnancy, then you're going to have more unwanted pregnancies. Period. Kids will have sex. Best they know all the ways to stay safe, right?

But anyway, I can already see why you have this opinion. You seem to think that all women are stupid sluts who can't keep their legs shut. Misogyny is strong with this one.


Also, why are women the only people allowed to discuss this? Let me guess, because its their body right? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Once you have a kid in you it is your responsibility to protect it. When a passenger is in my car, I may own the car but I still have a responsibility to maintain the safety of my passenger. I cant just push them out in the middle of the road because I am too lazy and say "its my car!".

A passenger in your car as an analogy to pregnancy, which is a medical ailment? Ooohkay. No need to bother with this one.

[Nanners]

When a passenger is in my car, I may own the car but I still have a responsibility to maintain the safety of my passenger. I cant just push them out in the middle of the road because I am too lazy and say "its my car!".

terrible analogy

you can kick another passenger out of your car for any reason whatsoever.

[sweggeh]

terrible analogy

you can kick another passenger out of your car for any reason whatsoever.

Not if the result would be their death, aka on the freeway.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Keeping the kid instead of aborting is punishing the child not the adult. Foster care again punishes the child not the adult. I will never ever understand why people get upset over laws that will NEVER AFFECT THEM. If you would never get an abortion regardless of whether or not its legal, who cares? Your kid will never be in danger. How will gay marriage affect you? How will legal weed affect you? People just love making decisions for other people.

[GimmeThat]

I wonder how many times they mention abortion in the Bible.

I recall God was not very fond of Job. and picked on him as an example for satan.

[GimmeThat]

Keeping the kid instead of aborting is punishing the child not the adult. Foster care again punishes the child not the adult. I will never ever understand why people get upset over laws that will NEVER AFFECT THEM. If you would never get an abortion regardless of whether or not its legal, who cares? Your kid will never be in danger. How will gay marriage affect you? How will legal weed affect you? People just love making decisions for other people.


well, survival the fittest tells us that something like abortion/legal weed affects people very much so. and if not, the survival and strength of a country in the bigger picture.

as for the human species? we are simply not advanced enough to have the mental capacity to be considerate at such grand scheme.

[KyrieTheFuture]

well, survival the fittest tells us that something like abortion/legal weed affects people very much so. and if not, the survival and strength of a country in the bigger picture.

as for the human species? we are simply not advanced enough to have the mental capacity to be considerate at such grand scheme.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What the **** are you trying to say?

[Nanners]

well, survival the fittest tells us that something like abortion/legal weed affects people very much so. and if not, the survival and strength of a country in the bigger picture.


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[GimmeThat]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What the **** are you trying to say?

that I don't think paying tax dollars just for government to raise kids who has got no parent oversighting sounds like a good idea.

as for legal weed, it's probably more so a matter of once there's enough productive workers who smokes weed then it may become more acceptable. if it is scientifically impossible to prove that when the majority of the population are smoking weed, our productivity remains the same, then you can't tell me it doesn't affect others, especially potential future employers.

as for alcohol?

I don't know if weed makes people horny and just starts humping another, but alcohol sure does the trick.

government propaganda?


meh

[Big_Dogg]

Devils Advocate viewpoint

What makes people think they have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do based on their own personal beliefs in the first place?

A woman having an abortion does not impact you as an individual, it impacts on your personal feelings and beliefs, why should a woman wanting an abortion give 2 shits about your perception or moral standpoint on the issue, what makes you as an individual so important to dictate to others how to live their life?

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Devils Advocate viewpoint

What makes people think they have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do based on their own personal beliefs in the first place?

A woman having an abortion does not impact you as an individual, it impacts on your personal feelings and beliefs, why should a woman wanting an abortion give 2 shits about your perception or moral standpoint on the issue, what makes you as an individual so important to dictate to others how to live their life?
http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/art/hprimary.jpg

Ignorance in this instance = crap

[Droid101]

http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/art/hprimary.jpg

Ignorance in this instance = crap
The **** are you going on about?

You can't tell a woman what to do with her body, period.

[Knoe Itawl]

And as usual, anti abortion crusaders gloss over the substantive issues regarding abortion, choosing instead to keep saying "It's wrong, OMG killing babies is wroooooong" over and over like children.

If you can't address the very relevant issues concerning this, then your opinions are worthless because you haven't taken the time to look at the matter from all of the angles, tackled the tough questions, formulated viable solutions, etc. You are instead arguing purely based on emotion, which is not the way to have a reasonable debate.

[GimmeThat]

abortion is as much as one stating its case to appeal its intercourse without protection from the first place.

when a woman tells the man they are unable to tell them what to do with their body. it means the man can not appeal its case of its mistake from the first place.