Rose: Can't wait to see doubters 'eat their words'

[Dragic4Life]

Source: CSN Chicago (http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-d-rose-cant-wait-see-doubters-eat-their-words?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo)

Discuss.

[no pun intended]

Gotta love his competitive fire. Wish him the best.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

I hope he does too

[Fudge]

Gonna be the best player in the East next year.

Kill em, Derrick.

[poido123]

:rockon:

[KyleKong]

Respect to Rose, but I'll wait until he gets over the Brandon Roy stage

[Milbuck]

He gets way too much shit. He's made his mistakes, but the constant clowning is real tired and people need to move on. The East needs him badly..if Lebron/Irving/Wiggins(or Love) actually materializes as a championship-level team, which it should soon, that entire conference is ****ed. The only team that could hang with them would be the Bulls with Rose back in form.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Gonna be the best player in the East next year.

Kill em, Derrick.
I wouldn't go that far but he certainly will remind everyone who is the most exciting and most talented YOUNG pointguard is, not that fake tough guy bitch at okc.

[Fudge]

I wouldn't go that far but he certainly will remind everyone who is the most exciting and most talented YOUNG pointguard is, not that fake tough guy bitch at okc.
That was pretty random, dude. Do you hate me or something?

[aj1987]

Gonna be the best player in the East next year.

Kill em, Derrick.
If he's the best player in the east, that means he would be the best player in the league/world. Doubt it.

[poido123]

He gets way too much shit. He's made his mistakes, but the constant clowning is real tired and people need to move on. The East needs him badly..if Lebron/Irving/Wiggins(or Love) actually materializes as a championship-level team, which it should soon, that entire conference is ****ed. The only team that could hang with them would be the Bulls with Rose back in form.


Thankfully, that team collectively has no defense :applause:

[fiddy]

If he's the best player in the east, that means he would be the best player in the league/world. Doubt it.
KD and Westbrick say hi.

[aj1987]

KD and Westbrick say hi.
Neither of them are better than LeBron, so if Rose is better than LeBron, he's better than brick and KD.

[Fudge]

Can't wait to see aj eat his words. :lol

[fiddy]

Neither of them are better than LeBron, so if Rose is better than LeBron, he's better than brick and KD.
Didnt know you could read the future. :rolleyes:

[Im Still Ballin]

ahahahhahahahhahahahhaahhhahahahahahaahahahahhahha hahahhahahhaha

LMAO.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

That was pretty random, dude. Do you hate me or something?
Not at all, I don't hate anyone on here. Such strong emotions would be wasted on people who talk shit and I likely will never meet.
As has been said if rose is the best in the east he is the best in the world.
Please don't ever give yourself so much credit as to get me to hate you buddy.

[AintNoSunshine]

Is he jinxing himself now?

[Fudge]

Not at all, I don't hate anyone on here. Such strong emotions would be wasted on people who talk shit and I likely will never meet.
As has been said if rose is the best in the east he is the best in the world.
Please don't ever give yourself so much credit as to get me to hate you buddy.
Talking shit? Nope, it was a prediction on my part. I feel like he WILL be the best player in the East, but Durant will again be the best player in two consecutive seasons. So yeah... Awkward.

[Im Still Ballin]

Thought you were a Lebron dude Fudge?

[Fudge]

Thought you were a Lebron dude Fudge?
I am. Nothing wrong with a strong prediction tho, bro. I feel like the Cavs will struggle as a unit in their first season together... I mean, not terrible, but to the point that they underachieve. If Bulls get the first seed with MVP Rose back in form, I'll be right.

[Warfan]

:applause: I hope he has a great season. Always been one of my favorite players, hopefully the Bulls make it out of the East next year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX6yz-kRWs0

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Talking shit? Nope, it was a prediction on my part. I feel like he WILL be the best player in the East, but Durant will again be the best player in two consecutive seasons. So yeah... Awkward.
Playoffs included lebron was without a doubt still #1 last year.
In their matchups Durant won the first (although not by as much as some made it out to be) and lebron won the second. Durant certainly isn't the leader lebron is if he takes a backseat to Westbrook!

[GimmeThat]

they added Pau Gasol.

so I'm not sure what are people doubting about besides his physical health.
which, are we honestly going to act like it's something he can do about?

[Fudge]

Playoffs included lebron was without a doubt still #1 last year.
In their matchups Durant won the first (although not by as much as some made it out to be) and lebron won the second. Durant certainly isn't the leader lebron is if he takes a backseat to Westbrook!
:lol :lol

Funny guy, you.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

:lol :lol

Funny guy, you.
Enlighten me, what did you find funny and why?
Also tell me, what do you get out of acting like a jerkoff on the internet?

[Fudge]

Enlighten me, what did you find funny and why?
Also tell me, what do you get out of acting like a jerkoff on the internet?
Literally your entire post. Last part was my fave though, you wanted to low key just slip that in there, eh? :oldlol:

Jerkoff? Never. I'm probably one of the goofiest, laid back motherfukkers on this board. You took offense to a prediction I made in his thread. Tell me, how is that my fault?

[ImKobe]

Rose deserves to be healthy for at least one more season, the fans deserve to see a healthy Rose again. The guy had so much potential before the first injury and it's sad to see it get wasted like that... The game would be a lot more fun if this dude was playing every game.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Literally your entire post. Last part was my fave though, you wanted to low key just slip that in there, eh? :oldlol:

Jerkoff? Never. I'm probably one of the goofiest, laid back motherfukkers on this board. You took offense to a prediction I made in his thread. Tell me, how is that my fault?
You failed to identify why you found my entire response funny, so next time try and come up with something.
Is there something wrong with me viewing Durant as somewhat submissive to Westbrook on the court? I think okc would benefit if everyone knew Durant was #2, mainly because Westbrook can become reckless.
I didn't take offence to your prediction, like I stated it's pretty hard for people typing crap on the internet that I likely never will meet to get a legitimate response from me.
I did disagree with it though and it made me think you were messing/a moron.

[Fudge]

You failed to identify why you found my entire response funny, so next time try and come up with something.
Not really. I actually DID find your entire post funny. How do I break it down any further?

Is there something wrong with me viewing Durant as somewhat submissive to Westbrook on the court? I think okc would benefit if everyone knew Durant was #2, mainly because Westbrook can become reckless.
Not at all. I mean, think what you'd like. I just found that hilarious. Might just be me though. I'm pretty retarded.

I didn't take offence to your prediction, like I stated it's pretty hard for people typing crap on the internet that I likely never will meet to get a legitimate response from me.
I did disagree with it though and it made me think you were messing/a moron.
Don't lie to me, boy. Of course you did. If you didn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. :oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Overrated choker, not worried.
Here he goes again with his fake competitive attitude.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Not really. I actually DID find your entire post funny. How do I break it down any further?

Not at all. I mean, think what you'd like. I just found that hilarious. Might just be me though. I'm pretty retarded.

Don't lie to me, boy. Of course you did. If you didn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. :oldlol:
An explanation serves to give reasoning as to why things are. You just stated it was funny, with 0 explanation.
I have nothing to gain by lying to you, trust me on that. So because I replied to you I'm probably hunched over my computer with my brow furrowed in an utter frustration over what you said.
Sorry mate I don't let insignificant things get to me and understand I will likely never change your opinion. But I can voice my own opinion if I feel like it, and before I felt like it. Like I said before, don't give yourself too much credit mate from my perspective you're nothing (and I'm sure I might be viewed similarly from your point of view).

Sorry about the lack of spacing, I'm on my phone right now.

[russwest0]

Why can't he play with this much heart on the court like Westbrook?

[NumberSix]

Gotta love his competitive fire. Wish him the best.
:whatever:

[Myth]

If I doubt Rose gets re-injured, does that mean he'll want me to be eating my words?

[retaxis]

Fudge don't troll... Unless your trolling yourself with thoughts of suicide :lol

[NZStreetBaller]

nobody denys his ability as a baller just gave him crap for being injured all the time. so eat their words means he'll last all seaon?? well thats great:applause:

[Mure]

Good luck to the kid. Wanna see him and Bron battle in the playoffs.

[dunksby]

D.Wade said the exact same thing thing last year :D wish Rose the best though.

[returnofthemack]

Thankfully, that team collectively has no defense :applause:

Yes defense is important but D doesn't win a whole lot of championships anymore.

[poido123]

Yes defense is important but D doesn't win a whole lot of championships anymore.


If your team has no rim protectors or specialist defenders, you can forget about winning championships.

Miami is the exception, although they had lebron wade Chalmers who collectively played good swarming defense on opponents. Bosh was OK too, until he got bodied up by stronger big men. Birdman was also very active protecting the rim, so perhaps Miami had decent defense as well and of course the pesky Battier.

Who do cavs have? Varejeo is solid but can't stay on the court and is more of a man defender than rim protector. Thompson occasionally blocks shots and then there's lebron. That's it. If they don't get anymore help on defense I guarantee a team like the bulls will bully their interior.

[FLDFSU]

He gets way too much shit. He's made his mistakes, but the constant clowning is real tired and people need to move on. The East needs him badly..if Lebron/Irving/Wiggins(or Love) actually materializes as a championship-level team, which it should soon, that entire conference is ****ed. The only team that could hang with them would be the Bulls with Rose back in form.

What are you talking about?

The Heat are the most stacked team of all time. The Heat got the East on lock for at least the next 4 seasons :rockon:

[Roundball_Rock]

Too much is made about his injuries. He suffered a serious injury in 2012 and then again last year. That does not mean he will get hurt forevermore. He had no issues his first 3 seasons. What makes his injuries stick out is he has missed consecutive seasons due to them but the same thing could happen with a player in year 2 and then in year 12.

[tragicbronson]

Why can't he play with this much heart on the court like Westbrook?

So if you don't scream all the time and don't show your emotions you are not playing with much heart :coleman: ?

[russwest0]

So if you don't scream all the time and don't show your emotions you are not playing with much heart :coleman: ?

See Rose vs Heat and Westbrook vs Heat.

LeBron switched on Rose and Rose shat his pants. LeBron switched on Westbrook and Westbrook dropped 43 points :applause:

Or you know, you could see Westbrook returning from a meniscus tear at a much faster timeframe than Rose did, despite Westbrook having a one to two month setback with a loose stitch and another surgery needed.

[Roundball_Rock]

So if you don't scream all the time and don't show your emotions you are not playing with much heart :coleman: ?

Exactly. One can criticize him for things off the court, i.e. him not trying to return in 2013, but he consistently has displayed heart on the court.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Too much is made about his injuries. He suffered a serious injury in 2012 and then again last year. That does not mean he will get hurt forevermore. He had no issues his first 3 seasons. What makes his injuries stick out is he has missed consecutive seasons due to them but the same thing could happen with a player in year 2 and then in year 12.

Yeah tearing your ACL and then meniscus in the other knee isn't a big deal at all. Guys who miss multiple seasons with knee injuries always bounce back 100% fine, it's nothing to worry about. :rolleyes:

What makes his injuries stick out, (beyond the fact that they were back to back and that his recovery time was unconscionably slow) is that really bad knee injuries often damage a player's athleticism, and Derrick Rose relies 100% on his athleticism to be a good player.

The real reason that he catches so much shit is for the 2012-13 season when he was cleared to play by doctors prior to the playoffs, but refused to come back saying he didn't have enough 'muscle memory' to play. That complete lack of competitive fire doesn't go over well with the internet fans.

[russwest0]

Exactly. One can criticize him for things off the court, i.e. him not trying to return in 2013, but he consistently has displayed heart on the court.

Westbrook had the same meniscus tear that Rose had, and even had a loose stitch setback and required ANOTHER surgery yet still returned from that injury faster than Rose did...

And for the regular season nonetheless... While Rose sat out through the fvcking PLAYOFFS...

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah tearing your ACL and then meniscus in the other knee isn't a big deal at all. Guys who miss multiple seasons with knee injuries always bounce back 100% fine, it's nothing to worry about.

What makes his injuries stick out, (beyond the fact that they were back to back and that his recovery time was unconscionably slow) is that really bad knee injuries often damage a player's athleticism, and Derrick Rose relies 100% on his athleticism to be a good playe

I agree with the above. What I meant is people make too much out of 2 injuries in projecting that he will continue to get injured. It is, unfortunately, possible that he winds up like Grant Hill and continues to play for many years but as a shell of his former self. Fortunately, all the reports thus far suggest he will bounce back.


The real reason that he catches so much shit is for the 2012-13 season when he was cleared to play by doctors prior to the playoffs, but refused to come back saying he didn't have enough 'muscle memory' to play.

Yeah I was not happy with that either, although I suppose the people around him were advising him to wait to avoid risking further injury.

[juju151111]

Rose made the right decision not to play in the playoffs. Look what happened to him the very next season and I think some blame has to be on the medical staff.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Rose made the right decision not to play in the playoffs. Look what happened to him the very next season and I think some blame has to be on the medical staff.

He tore his meniscus in his RIGHT knee, how was that affected by his torn acl in his LEFT knee? He had been training and practicing for like 6 months before that second injury, I don't think you can blame that on the medical staff.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

See Rose vs Heat and Westbrook vs Heat.

LeBron switched on Rose and Rose shat his pants. LeBron switched on Westbrook and Westbrook dropped 43 points :applause:

Or you know, you could see Westbrook returning from a meniscus tear at a much faster timeframe than Rose did, despite Westbrook having a one to two month setback with a loose stitch and another surgery needed.
Didn't Westbrook flush their chances of winning and equalizing the series at 2-2 by making an idiotic foul that same game?

[LosBulls]

He tore his meniscus in his RIGHT knee, how was that affected by his torn acl in his LEFT knee? He had been training and practicing for like 6 months before that second injury, I don't think you can blame that on the medical staff.
At least theres somebody that understands on this forum.

Rose reinjured himself because he was such a pussie. Plain and simple. He should of came back when he was cleared and got some burn under those knees and gotten used to the NBA pace again but instead he sat out and when he came back he was scared to put weight on that knee so he put all his weight on his other knee.

[BuffaloBill]

Respect to Rose, but I'll wait until he gets over the Brandon Roy stage


One does not simply 'get over' the brandon roy stage

[juju151111]

He tore his meniscus in his RIGHT knee, how was that affected by his torn acl in his LEFT knee? He had been training and practicing for like 6 months before that second injury, I don't think you can blame that on the medical staff.
Probably because one of his knee s Did more then other.

[beastee]

At least theres somebody that understands on this forum.

Rose reinjured himself because he was such a pussie. Plain and simple.

I'd love to see you say that too his face you fat piece of shit. Go root for the Heat and D Wade's broke ass knees. You don't ever seem to be hating on that.

[LosBulls]

I'd love to see you say that too his face you fat piece of shit. Go root for the Heat and D Wade's broke ass knees. You don't ever seem to be hating on that.
I'll say it to your face you fucckin bum.

[Fudge]

An explanation serves to give reasoning as to why things are. You just stated it was funny, with 0 explanation.
LOL. I don't need to. Again, I thought it was funny. Either because it was fukking retarded, or just....funny. I really don't need to explain anything. You're just being sensitive.


I have nothing to gain by lying to you, trust me on that. So because I replied to you I'm probably hunched over my computer with my brow furrowed in an utter frustration over what you said
:oldlol:

Funny thing is, I can actually see that.


Sorry mate I don't let insignificant things get to me and understand I will likely never change your opinion. But I can voice my own opinion if I feel like it, and before I felt like it. Like I said before, don't give yourself too much credit mate from my perspective you're nothing (and I'm sure I might be viewed similarly from your point of view).
I'm sure, little buddy. That's why you're going to keep replying to my insignificant replies. Over and over again.

I'm not giving myself any credit at all. Total opposite. What good do I get out of this, arguing with you? I have better things to do. I state a prediction of mine, you bite and you try to argue against it. Really, is that MY fault? :lol If you weren't such a sensitive little girl, maybe this conversation wouldn't have existed in the first place. But if you want to keep replying, then so be it. Fudge likes conversing with peoplez.

[PJR]

When you play 33 games in three years, you're going to have doubters.

I'm certainly one of them. And he didn't look too great when he came back from his initial ACL injury, one that he took an extra 4 months to recover from. I fear the knee issues will be persistent.

[LosBulls]

When you play 33 games in three years, you're going to have doubters.

I'm certainly one of them. And he didn't look too great when he came back from his initial ACL injury, one that he took an extra 4 months to recover from.
We the only real Bulls fans on this shit bruh.

[DMAVS41]

I hope he's healthy for the remainder of his career. It's a shame all this happened at a point in which the Bulls were ready to contend for years to come.

I'll eat my words when he plays better though.

I mean...everyone loves to ignore it, but in the only real playoff run of his career.

He shot less than 40% in the playoffs...and in the ECF...he shot 35% for the series and 43.6% TS overall...and repeatedly choked late in close games.

Outside of a nice regular season...dude hasn't don anything of note.

That is the real reason he has doubters...we just don't know how good he was/is.

And the reason he has haters is because his crazy fans wanted to prop him up and put him on levels he has not come close to earning yet.

He has the potential though...there is no doubt about that. He has absurd potential...or at least he did...I hope it's still there.

[Pointguard]

See Rose vs Heat and Westbrook vs Heat.

LeBron switched on Rose and Rose shat his pants. LeBron switched on Westbrook and Westbrook dropped 43 points :applause:

Or you know, you could see Westbrook returning from a meniscus tear at a much faster timeframe than Rose did, despite Westbrook having a one to two month setback with a loose stitch and another surgery needed.
When Rose played Westbrook, Westbrook got switched off of him. Most of the time.

Miami, didn't play Rose one on one, at all. They doubled him at half court half a whole lot. And did a hard shadow on him with two players in the half court set. Westbrook wasn't even the prime concern for Miami.

[Legends66NBA7]

Don't tell them, show them.

[step_back]

Don't tell them, show them.

This.

I hope Rose doesn't turn into a hot head this season. His attitude used to be similar to Tim Duncan. Quiet and collected. Stay that way.

I also wouldn't consider his doubters haters. I doubt his health based on the last few years. How could I not? :confusedshrug:

I'm certainly not a hater of his. I hope he returns to his MVP self and us Bulls can get back to being a strong team again.

[CHi1PriDe]

Don't tell them, show them.

Felt like its been forever. I'm just glad he elected to do a repair rather than taking it completely out, like what wade did. He seriously couldn't come back in a better time this year since this is the best squad we had since rose came into the league.

Excited to watch him practice tomorrow for team usa and last time he participated in FIBA, he ended up winning MVP the following year :cheers:

[Milbuck]

What are you talking about?

The Heat are the most stacked team of all time. The Heat got the East on lock for at least the next 4 seasons :rockon:
This is literally the only thing I've ever seen you post about, about how some people called Bron's Heat the most stacked team ever. Get the **** over it.

[Pointguard]

I hope he's healthy for the remainder of his career. It's a shame all this happened at a point in which the Bulls were ready to contend for years to come.

I'll eat my words when he plays better though.

I mean...everyone loves to ignore it, but in the only real playoff run of his career.

He shot less than 40% in the playoffs...and in the ECF...he shot 35% for the series and 43.6% TS overall...and repeatedly choked late in close games.

Outside of a nice regular season...dude hasn't don anything of note.

Really???
1)Care to name other MVP's that did this at his age???
2)Did you not notice that he won two series on his back??? And consistently hit big shots??? Why are you lying???
At age 23.
3)He lead his team to the best record in the league with a new team, new coach, crazy injuries, and over a two dozen starting lineups??? 4)And please contrast that with fate of Dirk, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dwight and Chris Paul when they joined new teams with more talent while much closer to their prime?
5)All of this and his team dominated the elite the last four months of the season. I don't recall the last team to do that.


6)Did you not notice that his team could not break a Miami trap?
7)Name me another team that cleared the first round whose team could not break a trap? Much less the hard doubles on Rose? Notice that this is game five, late in the series, and the Bulls aren't close to breaking hard doubles and look at every Rose highlight save only play where Rose doesn't have a hard double or triple teamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfZCpXyf8yg


That is the real reason he has doubters...we just don't know how good he was/is.
I know you won't try to answer the questions put to you because you can't. I numbered them so you won't have an excuse.


And the reason he has haters is because his crazy fans wanted to prop him up and put him on levels he has not come close to earning yet.

I had a count where Rose had 14 threads since the playoffs began this year. Equal or more than anybody not named Lebron - he hasn't really played in two years. That's just sick. If you think it was his crazy fans starting them you absolutely have no reading ability.

8)Do you care to embarrass yourself with a ratio of how many hater threads are created versus Rose prop-up threads??? Why would anybody who reads these boards make such an absurd statement.

Are you going to humor us with attempted answers or you going to go the circuitous route?

[LoneyROY7]

KD and Westbrick say hi.

Blake knocks both of those frauds out and says what's up.

[livinglegend]

When Rose played Westbrook, Westbrook got switched off of him. Most of the time.

Miami, didn't play Rose one on one, at all. They doubled him at half court half a whole lot. And did a hard shadow on him with two players in the half court set. Westbrook wasn't even the prime concern for Miami.

Stop making up lies. They defended Rose just like they defend every other pgs. They didn't double him at half court. They only trapped the pick and rolls like they always do.

[Pointguard]

Stop making up lies. They defended Rose just like they defend every other pgs. They didn't double him at half court. They only trapped the pick and rolls like they always do.
I already provided a video above. Its game five, the last game of the series. And those are hard doubles. And that's just in the highlight reel. Why would they defend other point guards like that? Especially, one that has a superior scorer? Think before you write.

[CHi1PriDe]

I already provided a video above. Its game five, the last game of the series. And those are hard doubles. And that's just in the highlight reel. Why would they defend other point guards like that? Especially, one that has a superior scorer? Think before you write.

Don't listen to Livingpussy, he clearly didn't watch rose play during his MVP season. Rose was the only player on the bulls who could actually score, they consistently doubled him or put a larger defender on him which clearly bothered him. Deng was too one dimensional and rose and boozer didnt mesh well. Anyways, repped :cheers:

[chosen_one6]

Rose is not going to be as explosive his first year back...it'll take a year or two before he's back to 90% of what he used to be.

If he doesn't tear his ACL again.