so is the NSA shit still going on?

[Jameerthefear]

and if it is why? why is the government allowed to illegally spy on us? i heard their putting people on lists for even downloading tor these days.

[Nanners]

is it still going on? well i doubt it just magically stopped

[Rodmantheman]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349263

[9erempiree]

and if it is why? why is the government allowed to illegally spy on us? i heard their putting people on lists for even downloading tor these days.

Yes.

If you are worried then I recommend you buy your anime in hard copy instead of download.

[sick_brah07]

Yes.

If you are worried then I recommend you buy your anime in hard copy instead of download.


man you got a big red dick

shits incredible

[Jameerthefear]

Yes.

If you are worried then I recommend you buy your anime in hard copy instead of download.
weak

[russwest0]

Just click the button on this page and everything will be ok:

http://summonthensa.com/

:cheers:

[longhornfan1234]

Obama expanded NSA. Thanks, Obama!:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

Of course it's still going on, and it's not really illegal

[russwest0]

If you want security, you're going to have to give up some personal freedom. It's as simple as that.

[Jameerthefear]

Of course it's still going on, and it's not really illegal
how is it not?

[TheReal Kendall]

Just don't do anything illegal and you'll be alright

[Jameerthefear]

Just don't do anything illegal and you'll be alright
:facepalm

[9erempiree]

weak

just looking out breh...I question some of the stuff you watch and it is borderline illegal. You can be busted if you download it to your computer. I doubt you would get in trouble for buying it at the store.

[Lebron23]

http://makeameme.org/media/created/HEY-NSA-THANKS.jpg

[KyrieTheFuture]

how is it not?
How is it illegal?

[russwest0]

If you want security, you're going to have to give up some personal freedom. It's as simple as that.

Just so everybody knows, I'm not actually THIS stupid.

Twas a troll post.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Just so everybody knows, I'm not actually THIS stupid.

Twas a troll post.
It's upsetting that the only post you call out as a troll one is a post that actually has a semblance of thought put into it.

[Droid101]

Obama expanded NSA. Thanks, Obama!:facepalm
Nope. That's a lie. Stop lying.

[GimmeThat]

how/who did he even get the funding from for all of this?

it does NOT sound like a cheap project.



we've gone through a few congressional cycles, haven't we?

[KyrieTheFuture]

how/who did he even get the funding from for all of this?

it does NOT sound like a cheap project.



we've gone through a few congressional cycles, haven't we?
He didn't get the original funding, Bush did iirc. Amazing things can get approved in the name of national security from TERRURIZM

[russwest0]

It's upsetting that the only post you call out as a troll one is a post that actually has a semblance of thought put into it.

Nah, it was a clear troll post. Anyone who would give up his/her freedom in exchange for a little security is a moron.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Nah, it was a clear troll post. Anyone who would give up his/her freedom in exchange for a little security is a moron.
:applause: making Benny Franklin proud Russ

[russwest0]

:applause: making Benny Franklin proud Russ

:applause: Our founding fathers knew what was up.

Now the media shitfest that we currently have would absolutely degrade, destroy, and do their best to break down any of our current founding fathers if they were to be involved in politics today. :facepalm

It's a damn shame.

[GimmeThat]

He didn't get the original funding, Bush did iirc. Amazing things can get approved in the name of national security from TERRURIZM

so you're saying that the current scale of NSA is similar to that of the one during the Bush era? or one that was projected so?

[GimmeThat]

Nah, it was a clear troll post. Anyone who would give up his/her freedom in exchange for a little security is a moron.

and that of giving up the freedom that of a few others for the security of the large?

I can't believe George Washington ever came up with the idea of giving up the British's freedom to reign over them, in order to exchange the security of such small population.

[Micku]

http://makeameme.org/media/created/HEY-NSA-THANKS.jpg

http://englishbookgeorgia.com/blogebg/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bigbrotheriswatchingyou.jpg

[BlkMambaGOAT]

and if it is why? why is the government allowed to illegally spy on us? i heard their putting people on lists for even downloading tor these days.
Why u mad, did Obama catch you smuggling loli hentai from Japan?

[longhornfan1234]

Nope. That's a lie. Stop lying.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/10/spy-o01.html

Facts. Very liberal ACLU made the report.

[KevinNYC]

and if it is why? why is the government allowed to illegally spy on us? i heard their putting people on lists for even downloading tor these days.

Why did this come up? Were you going to download the other 7 nasty animes on that list that you hadn't seen yet?

Like I mentioned last year, the NSA is not going away, they will just reform the legal framework. Obama asked Congress to do this in January. The House has passed a bill and now the Senate is going to. People are saying that the Senate Bill goes further and details of that just came out yesterday. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/patrick-leahy-nsa_n_5628613.html?utm_hp_ref=politics)

[Jameerthefear]

Why did this come up? Were you going to download the other 7 nasty animes on that list that you hadn't seen yet?

Like I mentioned last year, the NSA is not going away, they will just reform the legal framework. Obama asked Congress to do this in January. The House has passed a bill and now the Senate is going to. People are saying that the Senate Bill goes further and details of that just came out yesterday. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/patrick-leahy-nsa_n_5628613.html?utm_hp_ref=politics)
obama is a joke at this point tbh. just came across my mind. the fact that people don't care that government is spying on them is retarded.

[KevinNYC]

how/who did he even get the funding from for all of this?

it does NOT sound like a cheap project.

we've gone through a few congressional cycles, haven't we?
He didn't get the original funding, Bush did iirc. Amazing things can get approved in the name of national security from TERRURIZM

The NSA is part of the Defense Department and has two primary missions. One is collecting signals intelligence. When that Malaysian plane got shot down in the Ukraine and phone calls came out showing the separatists talking about a plane they just shot down, that came out because the Urkanian intelligence service was conducting signals intelligence on the separatists.

The other mission is keeping US signals intelligence and information systems safe. Essentially they play both offense and defense.

The other intelligence agencies, CIA, DIA, State Department, individual service branches rely on what the NSA collects. They are essentially customers of the NSA. If I'm in the State Department working on nuclear non-proliferation, I certainly want to know who Abdul Qadeer Khan who built Pakistan's bomb and sold nuclear know-how to North Korea is talking to and I want that information as soon as it comes in.

None of this is going to go away. Defunding the NSA completely is simply not going to happen.

[KevinNYC]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/10/spy-o01.html

Facts. Very liberal ACLU made the report.

So you're now quoting The World Socialist Web Site? :biggums:

The ACLU didn't have the spin you would like?

Anyhow, your original link includes this sentence which is false.

The 37,616 phones being tapped by the DoJ alone is a staggering figure.

The original report goes into great detail (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/10/spy-o01.html) about the difference between a pen registry and a wiretap. In fact the ACLU is not claiming the 37,000 phones are being illegally monitored, they claim the legal standards are too low.[QUOTE]Legal Standards For Pen Register And Trap And Trace Orders Are Too Low

Because these surveillance powers are not used to capture telephone conversations or the bodies of emails, they are classified as

[NumberSix]

Of course it's still going on, and it's not really illegal
It actually is. Read the 4th amendment. No search without a warrant. No warrant without probable cause.

[KevinNYC]

the fact that people don't care that government is spying on them is retarded.

There's a shit ton of misinformation about what the NSA actually does. Mainly because Snowden stole a bunch of technical training documents that show the NSA's capability
, not how the NSA actually uses these tools. Basically the legal framework and the training NSA analyst must undergo has been left out of the equation. Furthermore the initial journalism left out the fact that NSA can't use these tools without limits on the American people and even for foreign users, you have to be a target. They would use terms like "internet user" instead of "foreign intelligence target. " You saw that play out on ISH where people think their iphone or internet router is being monitored by the NSA or visiting linux journal makes you an NSA target. It's ludicrous.


Probably the best information is the two reports by the Privacy and Civil Liberty Oversight Board. They are dense, but it shows what is actually happening both the tools and the safeguards and when the safeguards fail which you don't get from most of the news reports on the NSA.

Here's their report on 702 collection (http://www.pclob.gov/All%20Documents/Report%20on%20the%20Section%20702%20Program/PCLOB-Section-702-Report.pdf), which is foreign collection which just came out. Their conclusion begins on page 103 and they were unanimous in their conlusions.
The program has helped the government to learn
about the membership and activities of terrorist organizations, as well as to discover previously unknown terrorist operatives and disrupt specific terrorist plots. Although the program is large in scope and involves collecting a great number of communications, it consists entirely of targeting individual persons and acquiring communications associated with those persons, from whom the government has reason to expect it will obtain certain types of foreign intelligence. The program does not operate by collecting communications in bulk.


Here's their report on 215 collection (http://www.pclob.gov/All%20Documents/Report%20on%20the%20Telephone%20Records%20Program/PCLOB-Report-on-the-Telephone-Records-Program.pdf), the telephone metadata program. They were not unanimous on this report. There were two separate dissents. The majority (3 of 5) disagreed with the FISA court. The FISA court say the program is legal because the metadata is collected and stored, but it's only searched under very specific circumstances and very few in the NSA can actually search that database. It was only searched 400 times in 2013. (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/nsa-queries-phone-data-2013-report) The PCLOB said that if the NSA is searching it so few times, then they should be able to request that the phone companies search for the Needle. That they don't have to collect the haystack. This is one of the reforms that is working their way through Congress.

The reason the NSA entered up with this data in the first place, is the phone companies didn't want the expense of keeping 5 years of call records.

[NumberSix]

Nope. That's a lie. Stop lying.
It actually is true. The Obama administration removed some NSA restrictions in 2011.

[KevinNYC]

It actually is. Read the 4th amendment. No search without a warrant. No warrant without probable cause.
US Supreme Court declared in 1979 t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland)hat a pen registry is not a search, because it's information you have already shared with the phone company. So law enforcement can request your phone records with a court order to the phone company not you. There is no warrant needed and you are not notified the pen registry is in place. A pen registry is not a wiretap and does not reveal the content of your calls.

This is the legal justification that was extended under the Patriot Act. The Senate bill intends to explicitly forbid the bulk collection (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/us/politics/senators-bill-is-stricter-on-nsa-than-houses.html)

[NumberSix]

US Supreme Court declared in 1979 t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland)hat a pen registry is not a search, because it's information you have already shared with the phone company. So law enforcement can request your phone records with a court order to the phone company not you. There is no warrant needed and you are not notified the pen registry is in place. A pen registry is not a wiretap and does not reveal the content of your calls.

This is the legal justification that was extended under the Patriot Act. The Senate bill intends to explicitly forbid the bulk collection (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/us/politics/senators-bill-is-stricter-on-nsa-than-houses.html)
Don't tell me about non related things from 1979. In 2013 a federal judge ruled that the NSA's phone program violates the 4th amendment.

And, we're not talking about the NSA "asking" phone companies for records. Were talking about the government tracking data themselves in addition to using the courts to target people who don't comply with handing over the data they are "asking" for.

[KevinNYC]

Don't tell me about non related things from 1979. You just referred to the 4th Amendment, that's from 1789 is that also not related?

It's absolutely related. It's the stated legal basis for what is going on
In 2013 a federal judge ruled that the NSA's phone program violates the 4th amendment.
And another federal judge ruled it consitutional, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/27/nsa-phone-records-spying-is-constitutional-judge-says/) explicitly referring to that 1979 case.
U.S. District Judge William Pauley dismissed an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit challenging the National Security Agency's bulk collection phone records Friday, saying that the program is constitutional.....
The ruling relied heavily on the 1979 Smith v. Maryland Supreme Court case. The Smith Decision was eventually codified into law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3122) and it is this law which is expanded upon in the Patriot Act. You can argue the expansion is bad law and it's in dispute in the courts, but it wasn't made up out of whole cloth, the legal reasoning for metadata collection goes back prior to the World Wide Web.
And, we're not talking about the NSA "asking" phone companies for records. Were talking about the government tracking data themselves in addition to using the courts to target people who don't comply with handing over the data they are "asking" for.
I don't know what you mean by the bold part. Are you talking about companies like lavabit? Because Verizon, Google, Sprint, etc comply with legal court orders.

I think you are commingling a few things here. The government "tracking data" by which I think you mean collecting data is not done directly against US persons without a warrant. And that is not done by the NSA, once it involves a US person, it's handed off the FBI. 702 collection is where the NSA scoops up data itself. 702 collection is intended against foreign targets and is legal. There's a whole series of technical filters and minimization procedures that weed out US persons info before it reaches human eyes. If a US person's data shows up in a search or an analysis, it is supposed to be destroyed. However, if it resides on a server behind filters and unseen, the FISA court has allowed this. There were 89,000 targets of 702 collection last year.

215 data is the domestic metadata collection and it occurs via a warrant. The NSA doesn't get this data itself. It is filtered and minimized by the companies before it goes to the NSA. There over 400 searches of this data in 2013 involving 248 people.

[Balla_Status]

So kevinnyc also supported bush when he introduced the patriot act? Weird.

[KevinNYC]

So kevinnyc also supported bush when he introduced the patriot act? Weird.
Hi Balla, comprehension issues still persist, I see.

[GimmeThat]

you would think that the power and limits that of the Patriot Act would correspond with the Homeland Security Advisory System.

how do we prevent the next attack? I don't want to sound naive and say foreign intelligence, but a good allie might just tell us who's the rat in our system.