Lebron is closer to jordan than kobe is

[rlsmooth775]

When you look at Kobe and his production he is closer to Tracy McGrady and Allen iverson. Lebron and jordan are the most dominant perimeter players in history

[russwest0]

Didn't MJ say that the only person who could beat him was Kobe Bryant?

[rlsmooth775]

Didn't MJ say that the only person who could beat him was Kobe Bryant?
Who cares about imaginary one on ones lebron is more dominant than kobe as a nba player in real life

[LBJFTW]

Define "close".

Sorry to tell you, but the next kid to catch Jordan will be someone we've never seen before.

[SouBeachTalents]

Define "close".

Sorry to tell you, but the next kid to catch Jordan will be someone we've never seen before.

If it ever happens

[LBJFTW]

If it ever happens

Yep, and it's a big IF at that.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7... yea??? how bout that ishers???

[sportjames23]

Didn't MJ say that the only person who could beat him was Kobe Bryant?

No, he said Kobe stole his moves.


Oh and OP, last time I checked, 5 was closer to 6 than 2 is.

I'm just sayin'. :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

No, he said Kobe stole his moves.


Oh and OP, last time I checked, 5 was closer to 6 than 2 is.

I'm just sayin'. :confusedshrug:

Horry > Jordan

[9erempiree]

Kobe's is already on MJ's level. If there was a Batman, there is a Joker. Pretty much equals but on a different spectrum.

Also, they have played each other too. So when MJ says Kobe is close or equal to him. We have to take his word for it.

[Im so nba'd out]

Mj is in another galaxy is being 300 millions lights years really that much farther than 280 million light years?

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe's is already on MJ's level. If there was a Batman, there is a Joker. Pretty much equals but on a different spectrum.

Also, they have played each other too. So when MJ says Kobe is close or equal to him. We have to take his word for it.

Worst analogy of all time?

[zoom17]

Kobe's is already on MJ's level. If there was a Batman, there is a Joker. Pretty much equals but on a different spectrum.

Also, they have played each other too. So when MJ says Kobe is close or equal to him. We have to take his word for it.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/attachments/xdtalk-chatter-box/27749d1399960047-apple-helping-hide-police-wrong-doings-wat.png

[rlsmooth775]

No, he said Kobe stole his moves.


Oh and OP, last time I checked, 5 was closer to 6 than 2 is.

I'm just sayin'. :confusedshrug:

Well when you have a center averaging 40 ppg for you in championship rounds that can happen

[9erempiree]

Well when you have a center averaging 40 ppg for you in championship rounds that can happen
http://s11.postimg.org/jdl6jls8z/kobe.png

[rlsmooth775]

Define "close".

Sorry to tell you, but the next kid to catch Jordan will be someone we've never seen before.

What are you talking about nothing in my post said anything about catching jordan

[LBJFTW]

Kobe's is already on MJ's level. If there was a Batman, there is a Joker. Pretty much equals but on a different spectrum.

Also, they have played each other too. So when MJ says Kobe is close or equal to him. We have to take his word for it.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/12luQDyqvum5l6/200_s.gif

[rlsmooth775]

http://s11.postimg.org/jdl6jls8z/kobe.png


Show the finals stats for the lakers 3 peat

[LBJFTW]

What are you talking about nothing in my post said anything about catching jordan

Good, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't where you were going with this "closer" stuff.

[9erempiree]

Show the finals stats for the lakers 3 peat

If you were old enough to watch back in the days, you would know the WCF was the Finals.

Nobody in the East could beat them Lakers. Heck, look at the Centers for the East. Kobe was chasing around Kidd, Kittles, Reggie and Iverson. Yes, Shaq was dominant but so was Kobe and he had to go against better players than Shaq.

[rlsmooth775]

Good, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't where you were going with this "closer" stuff.


You have issues

[LBJFTW]

You have issues

Just trying to get you on the right path....

[rlsmooth775]

[QUOTE=9erempiree]If you were old enough to watch back in the days, you would know the WCF was the Finals.

Nobody in the East could beat them Lakers. Heck, look at the Centers for the East. Kobe was chasing around Kidd, Kittles, Reggie and Iverson. Yes, Shaq was dominant but so was Kobe and he had to go against better players than Shaq.[/

Yeah the reason no one was beating the lakers was because of shaq averaging close to 40 ppg kobe would always choke and underperform

[played0ut]

Define "close".

Sorry to tell you, but the next kid to catch Jordan will be someone we've never seen before.


If it ever happens

Basketball skill-wise? Fer sure.



Overall greatness? Nah. Michael Jordan was the perfect storm (skill, genetic gifts, and plain old luck).

>Freak athleticism and huge hands (highest recorded vert in NBA at 48")
>Elite BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Flawless fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaches (Dean Smith AND Phil Jackson)

There've been many NBA players with some combination of the above, but none with all of them. It gets trickier when you consider that the bottom two traits:

>GOAT Tier Coaches (Dean Smith AND Phil Jackson)
>Competent Front Office

can be completely out of your control.


Lebron James (when he came in the Cavs):

>Freak athleticism
>Good BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Decent fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaches

During Miami:

>Freak athleticism
>Elite BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Good fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates
>Competent Front Office
>Good Coaches






Kobe Bryant:

>Freak athleticism
>Good BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Great fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaching


Dwight Howard (Heh):

>Freak athleticism
>Elite BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaches

[SamuraiSWISH]

Basketball skill-wise? Fer sure.
Agreed. Though there are still skillful aspects Kobe isn't on MJ's level at ... off ball movement, catch and shoot. Isn't as great, or consistent a defender. There still is some separation besides athleticism. Though it takes a more keen eye to detect. Let's not forget a better IQ, quicker attacker, and a better leader / teammate.




MJ:

>Freak athleticism and huge hands (highest recorded vert in NBA at 48")
>Elite BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Flawless fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates ('96 - '98)
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaches (Dean Smith AND Phil Jackson)

Prime LeBron:

>Freak athleticism
>Elite BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Good fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates (Great Teammates 2011 - 2013)
>Competent Front Office
>Good Coaches


Prime Kobe Bryant:

>Freak athleticism
>Good BBIQ
>Ferocious competitiveness
>Good fundamentals
>Pretty good teammates (Great Teammates 2000 - 2004)
>Competent Front Office
>GOAT Tier Coaching

[3ball]

goat leaper off one OR two legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UruofXufVuo

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Goat_Preinjury_hangtime_0d51e19ecc374ec4de1 5159908a445bc.gif



http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_best_hangtime_ever_28555cbd97bb2438afe55fca 86a1cc18.gif

[SupermanOnSteroids]

how about we put it this way, lebron is closer to sucking more cocks than kobe is. this way kobe fans are happy because those ccoks aren't nba cocks and lebron fans are happy thinking kobe fans think that they don't think lebron fans think that those are nba cocks. but in fact, those are nba cocks. but eventuall lebron is sucking nba cocks. so no one is happy but kobe because lebron is sucking cocks.

wut:confusedshrug:

[played0ut]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67 d426c26375b8c.gif



That's really ****ing fast.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Didn't MJ say that the only person who could beat him was Kobe Bryant?

No, he did not say that.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron is closer to hakeem than anyone else right now.. and hakeem is around #10 all time

kobe is closer to magic than anyone else right now. and magic is around 5th all time

so i'd say kobe is 6th all time

lebron is 11th all time


its about rings by legends... not # of mvps by legends who lucked out a ring

moses malone is proof of this



and if it was all about stats then iverson would be a top 10 player all time and shareef abdur rahim would be a hall of famer

[3ball]

Jordan jumped way higher and had better explosion off vertical which was a big advantage in traffic... Kobe is pretty good of a vertical too - and both those guys had the physique that was conducive for scoring effectively in traffic, where their vertical ability was neeeded.

In contrast, Lebron is actually only okay off a vertical and his physique is not conducive for mitigating defenders in traffic... Here's Lebron off a drop-step (one-step vertical), where he gets stuffed on a game winning attempt and the Heat lost... He didn't have good explosion.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif


Whereas, in the same spot, Jordan drop-steps with a lot more lift and explosion.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Orlando_Woolridge_2992ff3b66bec8217afc 9045864e3b42.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Defender_off_42e80f0371b2ccd1311ad dc612220fdc.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Very_Quick_off_his_feet_85c9460760961c1fceb 26630cff21c12.gif




Here's another one where they are both doing the exact same move that ends up with them jumping off two feet, and Jordan has quite a bit more lift.

Lebron going up weak off two feet after jumpstop.. can't dunk..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Tiago_Beats_Lebron_to_Spot_Leb_2d51dd9926d3c1cf8c5 bc8a47ecc0f04.gif




Jordan in Exact Same Spot, Exact Same Move and Jumpstop, Goes up A Lot Stronger

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67 d426c26375b8c.gif


Same Spot, Also Over Dominique and Moses Malone at the Same Time
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/jordan_on_dominique_bee66ca7d5a73e1d21472382674cc2 af.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Dominique_and_Mose_6ff5a043976a6ce3be6 3214630bd4bbc.gif

[SupermanOnSteroids]

so far, the only thing lebron as eclipsed kobe in is finding more superstars to play with him to compete for his next ring.

[riseagainst]

No, he said Kobe stole his moves.


Oh and OP, last time I checked, 5 was closer to 6 than 2 is.

I'm just sayin'. :confusedshrug:

nah. MJ was basically saying that Kobe would be the best player to give him a run for his money in a 1v1. The stolen moves thing, although true, was just a light jab and cracking jokes. MJ recognizes how good Kobe is 1 on 1.

[bizil]

In terms of size, playing style, attitude, and GOAT status, Kobe is closer to Jordan than Lebron. Kobe's resume is epic and only has to take a backseat to MJ perimeter player wise. But Lebron is still building his resume and one day could pass Kobe by.

In terms of style of play, Jordan and Bron aren't that similar. What they have in common is freak athletic ability and both were the most transcendant players of their era. Playing style wise, Bron is like a mix of Magic, Big O, Dr. J, and Pippen. And he had the body of Karl Malone which makes Lebron the ultimate freak of nature. A key advantage that guys like Bron, Magic, and Bird have over MJ and Kobe is the fact that they can play a power position in addition to the perimeter. Which bodes well for them as the age.

[played0ut]

Jordan jumped way higher and had better explosion off vertical which was a big advantage in traffic... Kobe is pretty good of a vertical too - and both those guys had the physique that was conducive for scoring effectively in traffic, where their vertical ability was neeeded.


Jordan had a 48" vert. Kobe was at 38". Lebron's at 44". I actually didn't know it was that different until i did some research.




In contrast, Lebron is actually only okay off a vertical and his physique is not conducive for mitigating defenders in traffic... Here's Lebron off a drop-step (one-step vertical),


No, not through traffic. But with his speed, mass, and agility relative to his size it's hard for people to stop him too. Reminded me of Barkley on the fast break back then.


Jordan mitigates defenders in traffic better than anyone else. Aside from his strength and speed it was his large hands (his adv. over Kobe which PJ and Kobe admitted was a significant adv). With those hands he could jump into defenders while his arm would weave around defenders while holding the ball like an orange.

That would be impossible to do with 'normal' sized hands.

Check it @ 7:45, watch two plays in a row. Olajuwon is right in his chest and he almost casually lays in the ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu92R-UR12o

[DaSeba5]

Neither. That player is out there somewhere though. The day will come when we will see a player better than Jordan.

[9erempiree]

nah. MJ was basically saying that Kobe would be the best player to give him a run for his money in a 1v1. The stolen moves thing, although true, was just a light jab and cracking jokes. MJ recognizes how good Kobe is 1 on 1.

Everyone steals everyone's moves in the NBA. There is so much a person can do since the inception of the game. Everything can be done in a couple of eras and we are many eras in.

Wiz MJ was stealing 3peat Kobe's moves when he made his comeback. Heck, he modeled his game after what was successful at the time.
http://s28.postimg.org/jrhwza5u5/20040626_nets_st_115113.jpg

[riseagainst]

Everyone steals everyone's moves in the NBA. There is so much a person can do since the inception of the game. Everything can be done in a couple of eras and we are many eras in.

Wiz MJ was stealing 3peat Kobe's moves when he made his comeback. Heck, he modeled his game after what was successful at the time.
http://s28.postimg.org/jrhwza5u5/20040626_nets_st_115113.jpg

:roll:

you are a legend.

[PJR]

Neither are close.

[choppermagic]

http://s11.postimg.org/jdl6jls8z/kobe.png

I loved the Lakers strategy. Instead of making Big threes of Big Fours, they just had a Big 2, but they were the best 2 players in basketball ha ha

[Shade8780]

Didn't MJ say that the only person who could beat him was Kobe Bryant?
Didn't MJ draft Kwame #1, Felton #5, Adam Morrison #3, Brandan Wright at #8 before Joakim Noah, MKG at #2 over Beal, Lillard, Drummond, Waiters and Cody Zeller at #4 over Noel, MCW and Burke. Also, he never played LeBron while he played a prime Kobe numerous times while MJ was washed-up.

Not the best of talent evaluators.

[played0ut]

I think MJ thinks it's plausible. Game recognize game. I still think MJ would win, with his superior athleticism, huge hands and 10 inch vertical differential, but as an individual b-ball player, in terms of moves, skills and footwork, Kobe's on GOAT tier.

[3ball]

Jordan had a 48" vert. Kobe was at 38". Lebron's at 44". I actually didn't know it was that different until i did some research.




No, not through traffic. But with his speed, mass, and agility relative to his size it's hard for people to stop him too. Reminded me of Barkley on the fast break back then.


Jordan mitigates defenders in traffic better than anyone else. Aside from his strength and speed it was his large hands (his adv. over Kobe which PJ and Kobe admitted was a significant adv). With those hands he could jump into defenders while his arm would weave around defenders while holding the ball like an orange.

That would be impossible to do with 'normal' sized hands.

Check it @ 7:45, watch two plays in a row. Olajuwon is right in his chest and he almost casually lays in the ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu92R-UR12o

That was a very entertaining game... the fight with vernon maxwell was classic Jordan tough guy.

Here's a higher video quality version of the same game... Jordan must have finished over Olajuwon 6 or 7 times chest-to-chest, and easily like it was nothing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7N_qSFAsP8

[played0ut]

That was a very entertaining game... the fight with vernon maxwell was classic Jordan tough guy.


heh cuz he scored in some cool way on Maxwell. So Maxwell went up to Jordan and told him not to score like that again, otherwise he'd attack him. Jordan scored again. Maxwell kept his word. :P




Here's a higher video quality version of the same game... Jordan must have finished over Olajuwon 6 or 7 times chest-to-chest, and easily like it was nothing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7N_qSFAsP8

Yeah, he's skilled and athletic but it's those hands, man. It's absolutely impossible to do those layins without big hands.

The hands essentially give him another dimension to score from. Doc J had massive hands too. You remember his famous layup from around the back of the backboard? If he had smaller hands he would've been forced to pass it or just fall out of bounds.

[Shih508]

http://s11.postimg.org/jdl6jls8z/kobe.png


Where's the shot taken? that will show the real story

[Shih508]

Everyone steals everyone's moves in the NBA. There is so much a person can do since the inception of the game. Everything can be done in a couple of eras and we are many eras in.

Wiz MJ was stealing 3peat Kobe's moves when he made his comeback. Heck, he modeled his game after what was successful at the time.
http://s28.postimg.org/jrhwza5u5/20040626_nets_st_115113.jpg

MJ did all those moves during Bulls' day. Kobe stole all of those, you Kobetard!

[riseagainst]

Where's the shot taken? that will show the real story

games 1- 7 in the playoffs:

Kobe: 21.0 FGA 30.7 points

Shaq: 21.3 FGA 30.6 points

there you go.