Basketball-Reference has Tim Duncan rated as the 2nd greatest player

[JohnMax]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

These ratings are generated using voting results from fans. These ratings do not represent the views of the owners of this website.

[dirkdiggler41]

Duncan, George Gervin and Robinson is top 4 all-time. Strong bias.

[Roundball_Rock]

Duncan is up to 1st now. LeBron is #432--right between Rodney Rogers and Drew Gooden? :biggums:

[SuperPippen]

Those Spurs fans need to come back down to Earth.


Duncan isn't the GOAT, (although he is one of them) DRob aint top 15 all time, and although I respect and admire the Iceman as much as the next guy, he certainly is not the 4th best ever.

[VengefulAngel]

You be the judge.




NBA Elo Player Ratings

About the NBA Elo Player Ratings ▪ Rate Some Matchups ▪ View the Ratings

The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games. The creator of the system, Arpad Elo, was a professor of physics at Marquette University who wanted an improved chess rating system. Although the system has its roots in chess, today it is used in many other games.

We decided to take Elo's work and apply it to the ranking of basketball players. Our player pool consists of all NBA players who meet at least one of the following career criteria:

10,000 points
5,000 rebounds
2,500 assists
1,000 steals plus blocks
All players have an initial rating of 1500 points. These ratings are then updated by randomly selecting pairs of players and having them "play" each other.

We start by computing the win probabilities for each player (let's call them A and B):

P(A wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((RB - RA) / 400))
P(B wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((RA - RB) / 400))

where RA = rating for A
RB = rating for B
After the winner has been determined, the ratings of the two players are adjusted. If A wins the match then the new ratings are:

RA_new = RA + K * P(B wins)
RB_new = RB - K * P(B wins)
The "K" above stands for the "K-factor" and has a value of 24. (The K-factor was later changed to 10 --Ed.)

While if B wins the match then the new ratings are:

RA_new = RA - K * P(A wins)
RB_new = RB + K * P(A wins)
For example, suppose Michael Jordan ("MJ") has a rating of 2500 and Wilt Chamberlain ("WC") has a rating of 2450. The win probabilities for each player are:

P(MJ wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((2450 - 2500) / 400)) = 0.571
P(WC wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((2500 - 2450) / 400)) = 0.429
If MJ wins then the new ratings are:

MJ_new = 2500 + 24 * 0.429 = 2510
WC_new = 2450 - 24 * 0.429 = 2440
While if WC wins then the new ratings are:

MJ_new = 2500 - 24 * 0.571 = 2486
WC_new = 2450 + 24 * 0.571 = 2464
Here are a few more notes about the way we have chosen to implement the Elo rating system:

This is a community-based project with the goal of rating the best players in NBA history. In each matchup, the user should choose the player who they believe was the better player. It is up to the user to determine how much weight to give to offense versus defense, peak value versus career value, regular season versus playoffs, etc.
Before opening this up to the public we simulated 100,000 matchups in order to give the players more realistic starting ratings. These starting ratings do not necessarily represent the opinions of the owners of this site.
Pairs are not chosen completely at random. The first player is randomly selected to begin the process. Following that, a second player with a rating within 250 points of the first player is randomly selected to complete the pair. We did this in order to prevent bizarre choices (e.g., Manute Bol over Bill Russell) from distorting the ratings.
As always, please send us some feedback if you have any comments or questions.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Those Spurs fans need to come back down to Earth.


Duncan isn't the GOAT, (although he is one of them)

:coleman:

Duncan is top 5 right now IMO with 5 rings, 3 FMP, 2 RSMVP, all-time great longevity, all-time great 2-way player/defensive anchor/rim protector, most consistent winner of all time with every season being 50+ wins except for '99 since it was lockout and still on pace for 50+ that season, never been outplayed in head to heads by any of his contemporaries (Shaq, Dirk, KG, etc), etc etc etc. And when we win again next year, top 3 is all but a certainty.

[theaussieguy]

this shit is so ****ing irrational, comparing players in a league that is heavily rigged, that play in different generations, in a bazillion different circumstances and teams, what a waste of time.

[BoutPractice]

Basketball reference rankings are like the stock market, with wild fluctuations on a daily basis.

[JellyBean]

Spurs fans, especially Timmy fans, should be geeked!! Their boy is #1 of all-time. I always thought that Dr. J was vastly underrated. Thank you, Basketball Reference for honoring the great one and placing him #5:D Julius Erving:applause:

[bballnoob1192]

it's just the recency effect in action. in about 2 years he will fall down to the 6-8 range again.

[longhornfan1234]

Duncan is top 6, Robinson is top 20 , and Gervin is top 40.

[riseagainst]

and we care about basketball reference's ranking why? Wasn't Kobe ranked in the 500's like a year ago?

:oldlol:

[Gotterdammerung]

Duncan is up to 1st now. LeBron is #432--right between Rodney Rogers and Drew Gooden? :biggums:
The most biggums worthy response ever.

As well as the Kobe.

:kobe:

[Lebronxrings]

so spurs fans voted for all their players? Wheres joey crawford then?

[Shade8780]

Basketball reference rankings are like the stock market, with wild fluctuations on a daily basis.
Perfect analogy.

[JellyBean]

and we care about basketball reference's ranking why? Wasn't Kobe ranked in the 500's like a year ago?

:oldlol:

Yep. I think it was 510. Highly questionable.

[stalkerforlife]

Duncan is up to 1st now. LeBron is #432--right between Rodney Rogers and Drew Gooden? :biggums:

Sounds right. :roll:

[PickernRoller]

Prisoners of the moment - do you speak it?

[T_L_P]

so spurs fans voted for all their players? Wheres joey crawford then?

Damn, you're right! They forgot Joey who made Bran do this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MQmXy-g7bHQ/U55YJiPhrAI/AAAAAAAAHmE/SxmlR-Ep7rk/s1600/leb.gif

And the AC guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VQJecvlfBjE/U5HBeC_dLYI/AAAAAAAAqW4/5qVTzW_gw4E/s1600/lebron+james+cramps+GIF.gif

[Collie]

Drob da GOAT :bowdown:

[jstern]

Interesting, a couple of years ago I was amazed by how similar that list was to the average top ten all time here, but now it seems as if someone from San Antonia has done something.