ISH All-Time List: Vote on #6 Now.

[russwest0]

http://media.philly.com/images/111113-duncan-tim-600.jpg

The results are in from the previous vote and Tim Duncan was voted as the 5th best player of all time (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349216).

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348939).
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348961).
3. Bill Russell - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349040).
4. Wilt Chamberlain - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349136).
5. Tim Duncan - PF/C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349216).

To vote on who you think the 6th best player of all time is, simply comment their name below and I will keep track of the votes in the post directly below this one. Once a consensus is reached (after 30 total votes or one day) we will add that player to the list and move on from there.

P.S. - **** Real GM

[russwest0]

Total Votes:

Bird - 38
Magic - 30
Kobe - 15
Shaq - 8

Larry Bird wins this round.

[navy]

Magic Johnson. The GOAT winner.

[StephHamann]

Bird

[the mesiah]

http://www.sanantoniomag.com/Duncan%20'05%20Championship%20MVP%20and%20Finals%2 0Trophy.jpg
1.Jordan
2.Magic
3.Lew
4.Larry
5.Wilt
6.Timmy

[r0drig0lac]

Bird

[DMAVS41]

Magic

[K Xerxes]

Shaq.

[jcsrplumply]

Bird

[KOBE143]

KOBE BEAN BRYANT THE BLACK MAMBA VINO GAWDBE #24 #8 81pts 62 in 3 quarters etc..

[RR#9]

Bird

[robert_shaww]

larry legend bird

[KOBE143]

Duncan ahead of Magic and Kobe.. SMH

[Smook A.]

Magician Johnson

[salwan]

Bird is the word

[russwest0]

Stalkerforlife posted in the last thread to mark him down for Kobe, so this is a post reiterating that.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Kobe

[VengefulAngel]

Stalkerforlife posted in the last thread to mark him down for Kobe, so this is a post reiterating that.

you're stalkerforlife....

[played0ut]

Magic

[T_L_P]

Duncan ahead of Magic and Kobe.. SMH

Both very reasonable. At this point he's done more than Kobe so...

Anyway, I vote Magic.

[Yankstar]

Kobe

[played0ut]

looks like we've got a close one so far

[KOBE143]

Both very reasonable. At this point he's done more than Kobe so...

Anyway, I vote Magic.
:facepalm

Duncan was a role player in his last championship.. Theres no way he's rank higher than Kobe or Magic..

[MP.Trey]

Larry Bird

[Sakkreth]

Bird.

[Dbrog]

Ima go with Magic on this one :rockon:

[Sakkreth]

Stalkerforlife posted in the last thread to mark him down for Kobe, so this is a post reiterating that.

It's ur alt...

[Prometheus]

:facepalm

Duncan was a role player in his last championship.. Theres no way he's rank higher than Kobe or Magic..

uh... yeah, and Kobe was a role player in his first championship lol.

Anyway, #6 has got to be Larry Bird.

For those of you who are unaware, the East was dramatically stronger than the West during the 80's, and Magic had more help than Bird, and the notion that Magic > Bird developed after their careers were mostly over because of the value people place on rings (A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT). While they were playing, there wasn't much doubt that Bird > Magic. Just food for thought.

[juju151111]

Magic

[russwest0]

For those of you who are unaware, the East was dramatically stronger than the West during the 80's, and Magic had more help than Bird, and the notion that Magic > Bird developed after their careers were mostly over because of the value people place on rings (A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT). While they were playing, there wasn't much doubt that Bird > Magic. Just food for thought.

Yeah I agree with this assessment as well.

I still have Kobe over both, but on my personal all time list Bird comes in at 5 ahead of Magic.

[Roundball_Rock]

Shaq.

*Arguably the GOAT peak--definitely a top 3 peak.
*A prime that lasted from 1994-2005.
*A top 10 player from 1993-2006.
*A legitimate all-star as late as 2009.
*4 rings, 6 Finals, 9 conference finals.
*Was the best player on a team that won 3 consecutive rings.
*Took Orlando from 21 wins to 41 as a rookie.
*Made Orlando, L.A. and Miami championship contenders.

[Vienceslav]

There is no sign of Magic Johnson in the top 5.:roll:
Just do the honorable thing a stop this before it gets too ridiculous.

[KOBE143]

uh... yeah, and Kobe was a role player in his first championship lol.
Kobe was never a role player in all his championship.. He was 2nd option in his first finals not even close to a role a player.. In 01 to 02 he was 1b then Shaq left in 2004 because Kobe has already taken his spot as the 1st option.. After that Kobe has always been the 1st option, even when he's injured he's still the first option as a coach.. FYI Kobe at the sideline as coachBe contributed more than Duncan as a role player.. Fact..

[Champ]

Bird.

[Cold soul]

Kobe

[rmt]

:facepalm

Duncan was a role player in his last championship.. Theres no way he's rank higher than Kobe or Magic..

If Duncan's a role player, they are ALL role players.

2014 Playoffs

Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 asst / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 assts 49.8%
Leonard 14.3 pts / 6.7 rebs / 1.7 stl 51%
Manu 14.3 pts / 4.1 assts 43.9%

My vote for #6 is Magic.

[Genaro]

How the hell Duncan comes first than Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe?

[russwest0]

Kobe

This is who my vote goes for as well.

[T_L_P]

Kobe was never a role player in all his championship.. He was 2nd option in his first finals not even close to a role a player.. In 01 to 02 he was 1b then Shaq left in 2004 because Kobe has already taken his spot as the 1st option.. After that Kobe has always been the 1st option, even when he's injured he's still the first option as a coach.. FYI Kobe at the sideline as coachBe contributed more than Duncan as a role player.. Fact..

God damn you are a salty hater. Nobody's calling 01/02 Kobe a role player. He was a star.

00 Kobe is a role player if Duncan was one though. His team won with him shooting 38% in the Finals. Statistically the two are about even, and Duncan's advanced stats across the board were better.

And no, CoachBe didn't contribute more. People might start taking you seriously if you make a real point. Not just make believe to prop up your boy.

[dreamwarrior]

magic

[toxicxr6]

Duncan deserves that 5th spot.. Anyone saying Kobe should be higher is delusional

Anyhow number 6 is Bird!!

[HomieWeMajor]

The bi-sexual HIV +tive playboy






Kobe Bryant





















nah just kidding Magic Johnson

[Magic731]

Magic Johnson

[poido123]

Shaq

[KOBE143]

God damn you are a salty hater. Nobody's calling 01/02 Kobe a role player. He was a star.

00 Kobe is a role player if Duncan was one though. His team won with him shooting 38% in the Finals. Statistically the two are about even, and Duncan's advanced stats across the board were better.

And no, CoachBe didn't contribute more. People might start taking you seriously if you make a real point. Not just make believe to prop up your boy.

Kobe was injured thats why he's a bit inefficient but Kobe made tons of clutch shot int that series to make up for not shooting well.. And eventually they won the championship because of that.. Him being clutch is almost as important as Shaq dominance in that series.. This is not even comparable to Duncan as a role player.. So dont compare 00's Kobe to Duncan 14 as a role player..

[Harison]

Bird

[ArbitraryWater]

At this point I don't see why Duncan/Magic/Bird should be above LeBron.. Especially Bird, really. I love him the most out of the 3, he's as real as it gets, but my LeBron vote would be useless, so would my Shaq vote, so I'll give it to Magic.

[DMV2]

Larry Legend

[T_L_P]

Him being clutch is almost as important as Shaq dominance in that series..


Funniest thing I've read all day.

[T_L_P]

At this point I don't see why Duncan/Magic/Bird should be above LeBron.. Especially Bird, really. I love him the most out of the 3, he's as real as it gets, but my LeBron vote would be useless, so would my Shaq vote, so I'll give it to Magic.

Duncan/LeBron prime vs. prime is comparable. Duncan has an extra 6 years and more accomplishments. :confusedshrug:

[KOBE143]

Wow.
Its the truth.. Why are you surprised?

[Rocketswin2013]

Magic

[T_L_P]

Its the truth.. Why are you surprised?

Because Shaq basically scored three times as many points and now one facet of a hobbled/role player's game is just as important?

Any player shooting 39% is a negative impact player on offense, especially when you're a scorer. And Kobe didn't even lock down the opposing team's best wing player either, which is what he was supposed to be good at in the 2000 season.

Everything you write has a stupid agenda anyway. You said the TOSB on the sidelines was more important than the Spurs' best player last year. :facepalm

[toxicxr6]

Kobe stans still melting down over Duncan>Kobe..
But that's exactly how it is.. Something eventually they have to accept...

Now I'm just waiting until they see this

6.bird
7.magic
8.shaq
9. Lebron


God damn it's going to be epic..

[ArbitraryWater]

Duncan/LeBron prime vs. prime is comparable. Duncan has an extra 6 years and more accomplishments. :confusedshrug:

Sustained Elite play matters more to me... For Duncan you get 99-07, 8 years... LeBron, realistically, has surpassed, wait, at least tied it, if you don't want to count 2005... Going for more too.

Basically years of being a title caliber 1st option, top 3 or even 5 player... LeBron has been that all the last 8 years... Pretty close imo.

So of course, thinking LeBron's career would end tommorow, Duncan.. But he really doesn't need much more.

Edit: Also LeBron's peak is way better, not for single season, but because of length of peak..

2009-2014 is epic play besides the '11 finals

[JerrySeinfeld]

Kobe.

[KOBE143]

Because Shaq basically scored three times as many points and now one facet of a hobbled/role player's game is just as important?

Any player shooting 39% is a negative impact player on offense, especially when you're a scorer. And Kobe didn't even lock down the opposing team's best wing player either, which is what he was supposed to be good at in the 2000 season.

Everything you write has a stupid agenda anyway. You said the TOSB on the sidelines was more important than the Spurs' best player last year. :facepalm
I didnt compared Kobe to Shaq as a player.. I compared Kobe being clutch to Shaq dominance as being equally important.. Obviously Shaq was by far the better player in that finals but if not for Kobe hitting tons of clutch shot, the Lakers probably lost that series..

[aj1987]

This is turning out to be the worst list ever. Good job, worst poster ever (op).

[tmacattack33]

Ervin Magic Johnson

[BuffaloBill]

Magic Johnson

[DaSeba5]

Magic. Should have won the last one.

[BuffaloBill]

Magic. Should have won the last one.


Lol Magic came in 5th place in the last thread

[r0drig0lac]

Kobe stans still melting down over Duncan>Kobe..
But that's exactly how it is.. Something eventually they have to accept...

Now I'm just waiting until they see this

6.bird
7.magic
8.shaq
9. Lebron


God damn it's going to be epic..
This should be the correct ranking

[christian1923]

Kobe.

[Lebronxrings]

lebron james.

[DaSeba5]

Lol Magic came in 5th place in the last thread

wow smh

[BuffaloBill]

wow smh



I voted for Duncan. But I definitely have Magic over Bird, Shaq, Kobe, and whoever is left. I even had Magic over Wilt but whatever.

[Wally450]

Larry Bird

[DMV2]

This is turning out to be the worst list ever. Good job, worst poster ever (op).
Not really.

1-2: MJ and KAJ
3-4: If you have Russell here, you had to have Wilt too.
5-7: If you have Bird here, you have to have Magic here. Duncan just happened to break into the Consensus Six after last year for some people. Some still have Duncan at solid #7.

Nothing wrong with Duncan being in with Bird and Magic either. TD played well and consistent enough to have had a F-MVP last June if you go by consistency (but KL had more impact). And last year, he was one miracle play away from a ring and a F-MVP. TD could be 6/5(or 4)/2 instead of 5/3/2.

I think the last 2 seasons should elevate Duncan's legacy by a small margin. That small margin have swung people's opinion for him into Top 5. It's not like he was the 7th or 8th man on his team or got swept or humiliated in in the Finals either.

[BuffaloBill]

I don't think our list will turn out worse than RealGM's. I mean look at this nonsense



http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1328924&sid=0d564ff0374b8d30a065fe0fbfdc80ba


1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Lebron
8. Magic
9. Hakeem
10. Bird
11. Kevin Garnett




:biggums:

[BIZARRO]

Magic.

Dang, is Magic underrated on ISH.

[DMV2]

^^ Top 10 isn't too bad if you consider LeBron > Bird.

Don't know how KG became #11 when he's behind Malone and Barkley in the PF list.

[Im so nba'd out]

you know what im going to be serious for once....my answer is in white text
MICHAEL CARTER WILLIAMS

[bballnoob1192]

magic.

[Heavincent]

Kobe

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Bird

[Horatio33]

Magic Johnson. Wilt should swap places with Magic if Magic ends up 6th.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Bird

[Fudge]

Larry Bird

[Young X]

nosnhoJ cigaM

[USABall]

Magic

[played0ut]

......... dis thread. It's like the early 80's all over again.




That's awesome.

[Denitron]

Larry Bird

[rhowen4]

shaq

[SHAQisGOAT]

I got Timmy at #6, Wilt at #8 (not saying I can't see him higher) and Bird/Magic at 4/5 with slight edge to Larry, so, and again...

-> Larry Bird


Edit: For the record, as far as peaks I got Shaq, Kareem, MJ, Wilt and Bird as top5.

[Shade8780]

Magic good, but Larry Legend.

http://sportsrapport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/larry-bird-cigar-red-auerbach.jpg

[Natureland]

Shaq

[Shih508]

Magic

[colts19]

bird the word

[Jlamb47]

1.MJ
2.Kareem
3.Duncan
4.Kobe
5.Shaq
6.Bird
7.MAgic
8.Hakeem
9.Lebron

I left off Bill n Wilt cuz of era

[Milbuck]

Giannis Antetokounmpo.

[aj1987]

Edit: For the record, as far as peaks I got Shaq, Kareem, MJ, Wilt and Bird as top5.
:oldlol:

Are you actually being serious? :facepalm:

LeBron, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, and Dr. J have had equally good or better peaks. LeBron, Magic, and Duncan for sure.

[wally_world]

Larry Legend for me

[Anti Hero]

Duncan too stronk!

I hate Duncan.


Larry for 6! :cheers:

[Inferno]

Shaq

[SexSymbol]

kobe

[DFish24]

Magic Johnson

[Cousin Oliver]

Larry Bird

[JimmyMcAdocious]

He's got AIDS guy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

shaq

[inclinerator]

jeff

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:oldlol:

Are you actually being serious? :facepalm:

LeBron, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, and Dr. J have had equally good or better peaks. LeBron, Magic, and Duncan for sure.

Neither of those 3 are "for sure"...id take peak Bird over peak Magic and peak Duncan..and wouldnt fault anybody for taking him over 'bron either...

[played0ut]

:oldlol:

Are you actually being serious? :facepalm:

LeBron, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, and Dr. J have had equally good or better peaks. LeBron, Magic, and Duncan for sure.

I can understand. His peak numbers weren't GOAT tier.


But it was his intangibles. GOAT lvl BBIQ. (Even Laimbeer, who hates Bird and vice versa, and played/beat MJ/Magic, said that you'd be hard pressed to find a smarter guy on the court).

The white boy pulls out the right play whenever he needed to. His playmaking was elite. Magic said before (i know, he loves him) that Bird was the only person he was afraid of facing. Isiah Thomas called his jump shot the "kiss of death". :oldlol:

Even Jordan 'gushes' when he talks about Bird. :D

[MrC1991]

Larry Legend

[zoom17]

someone update the list too lazy my vote goes to Magic

[qrich]

Bird is the word
....

[That_Admiral]

Bird

[sick_brah07]

MCW and it aint even really close

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe Bryant.

Seeing as how he is out of the top 5, there is definitely an agenda. His resume is easily top 5. Oh well.

[JohnFreeman]

magic

[Rodmantheman]

magic

[DirtBag]

Bird

[zoom17]

20 votes for magic
22 votes for Bird

[PickernRoller]

Wilt over Magic and Bird at #4, Tim at #5 over Magic and Bird....:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

List went down the drain at #4. F'ck this thread.

Also, f'ck Real GM.

[Yankstar]

Kobe

[the mesiah]

Wilt over Magic and Bird at #4, Tim at #5 over Magic and Bird....:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

List went down the drain at #4. F'ck this thread.

Also, f'ck Real GM.
It was ****ed at 2 really, then it became egregiously comical at 3 ..

[Prometheus]

Yall a bunch of clowns - this list is on point so far. I would have swapped Russell and Wilt, but I expected this to be a lot worse. With all the morons on here I expected both LeBron and Kobe in the top 5 and no Wilt or Russell. Glad to see ISH showing some love for basketball history. I guess there are a lot of level-headed posters on here, it's just the idiots make more noise.
Let's see if the top ten finishes out the way I think it should:

6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron

[Vienceslav]

Yall a bunch of clowns - this list is on point so far. I would have swapped Russell and Wilt, but I expected this to be a lot worse. With all the morons on here I expected both LeBron and Kobe in the top 5 and no Wilt or Russell. Glad to see ISH showing some love for basketball history. I guess there are a lot of level-headed posters on here, it's just the idiots make more noise.
Let's see if the top ten finishes out the way I think it should:

6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron
Magic at 7 and you call somebody a clown.:bowdown:

[J.101]

Magic

[Im so nba'd out]

Michael Carter Williams

[Im so nba'd out]

Votes so far


Magic - 18
Larry-17
Shaq-14
Kobe-12
LBJ-9
Michael Carter Williams-3
Chuck "chuck wagon" Hayes - 1

[Timmy D for MVP]

Chuck Hayes

[redrich2000]

Bird

[the mesiah]

Magic at 7 and you call somebody a clown.:bowdown:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/24ysm00.jpg
Must have started watching basketball after 2005 ..***** definition of a str8 clown.

[Round Mound]

Bird

[dyna]

Bird

[kennethgriffin]

i vote bird




just to **** with the list even more. the farther magic drops the less respect this list has

[Yankstar]

Kobe :rockon:

[toxicxr6]

i vote bird




just to **** with the list even more. the farther magic drops the less respect this list has

The list isn't that bad.. Magic is a teir below the top 3-4...
Then it's pretty much a close wash between Duncan, bird and magic.. As this list will show..
Then shaq and hakeen prob fill out the 10.. It's pretty close to being right

[nosfan773]

Magic

[Cocaine80s]

Wilt

[TheMilkyBarKid]

i vote bird




just to **** with the list even more. the farther magic drops the less respect this list has
Kobe isn't top 5 so it is fairly accurate so far, how do you like that you salty bitch?
:lol

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Votes so far


Magic - 18
Larry-17
Shaq-14
Kobe-12
LBJ-9
Michael Carter Williams-3
Chuck "chuck wagon" Hayes - 1
I love the fact Magic & Bird are neck and neck, I voted for Bird but either is a correct choice.

[WillC]

I've met Tim Duncan and think he's an incredible player and person.

However, to suggest he's better than Larry Bird or Magic Johnson is really rather absurd.

[aj1987]

Let's make this list as bad as the realgaymen one.

I vote for Bird as well.

[played0ut]

i vote bird

just to **** with the list even more. the farther magic drops the less respect this list has

Ken. Are you.... Pouting?

[jstern]

Larry Bird.

[T_L_P]

I've met Tim Duncan and think he's an incredible player and person.

However, to suggest he's better than Larry Bird or Magic Johnson is really rather absurd.

Duncan has easily accomplished more than Bird. Easily. Bird's prime impact exceeded Duncan's (not by some unimaginable amount consider the huge gap on defense), and he has an extra 6-7 years of play (whatever it is).

It's not absurd in the slightest to say Duncan is better than Bird. Magic is tight, but the argument here is they won the same amount but Duncan did it with less help against stiffer competition (of course their Finals opponents can't be compared, but the 80s West is weaker than the 2000s West).

I'd take Magic over Duncan depending on the day. But Bird's injuries and short career means almost anyone in the top 10 has some sort of argument over him, as sad as that is. :confusedshrug:

[moe94]

I've met Tim Duncan and think he's an incredible player and person.

However, to suggest he's better than Larry Bird or Magic Johnson is really rather absurd.
meh

If I had the option to start a team, I'd take him over both.

[BoutPractice]

I've met Tim Duncan and think he's an incredible player and person.

However, to suggest he's better than Larry Bird or Magic Johnson is really rather absurd.
I don't think absurd is the word you're looking for. An absurd suggestion would be something like "there's a plutonian dwarf in my left shoe" or "the trees on the fourth floor are barking Wagner". "Tim Duncan is better than Magic Johnson" is a reasonable sentence - one that expresses an opinion, not a fact, but the claim being made is far from baseless, or just plain odd, like say "James Buchanan is the best president in US history". Resume, stats, evidence of impact point to Duncan being at least comparable to Magic and Bird. He definitely belongs in the conversation.

Of course we all know the real reason Tim Duncan is so high in this particular ranking is that he just won the championship. It's a familiar pattern: casual fans tend to forget Tim Duncan except for the times where he's just won the title.
As soon as the season starts again, the familiar arguments will be heard again: that he wasn't dominant (false), that it was "the system" or "Popovich" or some other such mysterious entity that somehow strips Duncan of achievements that would be praised if they were anyone else's work.

[RRR3]

Shaq

[Derivative]

bird

[Richesly]

Sam Bowie

[Yankstar]

Kobe

[joeyjoejoe]

Bird

[305Baller]

Magic Johnson

[Prometheus]

http://oi45.tinypic.com/24ysm00.jpg
Must have started watching basketball after 2005 ..***** definition of a str8 clown.

yeah I started watching in 2005, that's why I vote wilt and Russell so high... dumbass... look it feels weird to me putting magic and bird out of the top 5, but when I line them up against each of mj, kareem, wilt, russell, and duncan, those guys come out on top.

[pauk]

...and i thought Duncan was underrated...

[pauk]

Duncan has easily accomplished more than Bird. Easily. Bird's prime impact exceeded Duncan's (not by some unimaginable amount consider the huge gap on defense), and he has an extra 6-7 years of play (whatever it is).

It's not absurd in the slightest to say Duncan is better than Bird. Magic is tight, but the argument here is they won the same amount but Duncan did it with less help against stiffer competition (of course their Finals opponents can't be compared, but the 80s West is weaker than the 2000s West).

I'd take Magic over Duncan depending on the day. But Bird's injuries and short career means almost anyone in the top 10 has some sort of argument over him, as sad as that is. :confusedshrug:
Bird was a far more prominent player my man (including others who aint even on the list yet)... accomplishments mean as much as only the context itself takes them...

[moe94]

Bird was a far more prominent player my man (including others who aint even on the list yet)... accomplishments mean as much as only the context itself takes them...

Far more? :yaohappy:

[LAZERUSS]

If you were to compare CAREER resumes, and PEAK seasons, right now...Lebron edges Bird out. The only edge Bird has would be in rings, with a 3-2 margin. They both played in five Finals, and again, Bird has a 3-2 margin. They both have two FMVPs. Lebron actually has been a better post-season performer, too. In his 12 playoff seasons, Bird's high ppg was at 27.5 ppg, with another at 27.0 ppg. In his nine post-seasons, Lebron has had five higher than Bird's best, ranging between 28.2 ppg to 35.3 ppg, three of which were 30.3 ppg +. He also had a 27.4 ppg post-season, as well.

Lebron also has been more efficient, and has a higher career TS% and eFG%. Their apg is nearly equal (Bird with a 6.5 to 6.4 apg edge.) The only clear areas in which Bird has a statistical edge are rpg (10.3 to 8.4 rpg), and FT% (.890 to .755 .)

Lebron has already won more MVPs, 4-3, and has a higher career MVP ranking (albeit, Bird's fell off in his declining seasons.) And in terms of regular season statistical accomplishments, again, Lebron has been the better scorer (a considerably better scorer), and in the last few years his efficiency has shot thru the roof. Bird's highest FG% season was at .527. In Lebron's last three seasons he has put up .537, .565, and .567. Bird's two best eFG% marks were .555 and .556. Lebron has put up .603 and .610 in the last two seasons. Bird's two highest TS%'s were .608 and .612. Lebron has put up .640 and .649 in his last two years.

And there is no question that Lebron has been the better defensive player, either. Bird had three seasons of 2nd team all-defense. Lebron? Six first-team all-defensive selections.

Sorry, but Lebron has already passed Bird, and barring injuries, he will blow away Bird's resume by the time he hangs it up.

[russwest0]

so let me get this straight, Bird won 3 rings when his conference competition was the bad boy pistons and jordans bulls....

lebron won 2 rings when his conference competition was the pacers and rose led bulls.

interesting.

[LAZERUSS]

so let me get this straight, Bird won 3 rings when his conference competition was the bad boy pistons and jordans bulls....

lebron won 2 rings when his conference competition was the pacers and rose led bulls.

interesting.

Care to compare Bird's rosters to Lebron's...especially LBJ's last two seasons in Cleveland, when he took his rosters to records of 66-16 and 61-21...and which then fell to 19-63 after he left?

[LAZERUSS]

As for Bird-Magic...give me Magic who was the better playoff performer, the better "winner", better H2H, more rings, and more FMVPs.

As a side-note...in their career H2H's, Magic has the TWO highest scoring games between the two (games of 37 and 39 points.)

[BuffaloBill]

Michael Carter Williams has more votes than Hakeem right. 3 more votes

[(e)]

so let me get this straight, Bird won 3 rings when his conference competition was the bad boy pistons and jordans bulls....

lebron won 2 rings when his conference competition was the pacers and rose led bulls.

interesting.
Didn't even have Rose.

My vote is for Shaq

[Destroyer9]

kobe

[ralph_i_el]

B b b bird (is the word)

[Cousin Oliver]

So who won this round?

[Yankstar]

Kobe

[houston]

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG.
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C.
3. Bill Russell - C.
4. Wilt Chamberlain - C.
5. Tim Duncan - PF/C.


Kobe should be number 6

[raprap]

Magic

[Wavves]

Larry Bird

[Cold soul]

I like Duncan but he shouldn't be above Kobe even though it's debatable but Duncan over Magic no way. :oldlol:

[fpliii]

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG.
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C.
3. Bill Russell - C.
4. Wilt Chamberlain - C.
5. Tim Duncan - PF/C.


Kobe should be number 6
With Hakeem at 7?

[Yankstar]

Voting for kobe! :rockon:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe

[russwest0]

I'll count the votes and make the new thread in a little while

[miles berg]

Larry Bird

[Magic731]

Magic johnson

[MastaKilla]

Kobe

[Lebronxrings]

lebron james.

[Orlando Magic]

magic johnson

[Cocaine80s]

anyone that votes Kobe over Magic needs to check into a mental facility

[Magic731]

anyone that votes Kobe over Magic needs to check into a mental facility
Have you voted for ****ing lavine yet

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe