Rose told Melo: "come to Chicago, the game will be easy"

[Hey Yo]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/29/derrick-rose-told-carmelo-anthony-that-if-he-came-to-chicago-the-game-would-be-easy/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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[TheReal Kendall]

Melo fvcked up by signing with the Knicks. He'll never win a ring there and this is coming from a huge fan of his.

[riseagainst]

as a huge Carmelo fan, he signed with the wrong team.

[Smook A.]

"I want to win. I don't care about the money" - Carmelo Anthony

[Sarcastic]

Melo fvcked up by signing with the Knicks. He'll never win a ring there and this is coming from a huge fan of his.


He wasn't gonna win a ring with Chicago, so why pass up the money?

[TheReal Kendall]

"I want to win. I don't care about the money" - Carmelo Anthony

:facepalm No defending that statement.



He wasn't gonna win a ring with Chicago, so why pass up the money?


It was his best option to win, especially now that the East is wide open.

[Meticode]

I love the ignorance of people. People looked at the Bulls and saw they struggled offensively so naturally they're like "OMG, Carmelo is a great fit because he's a great offensive player." without taking anything else into consideration. :lol

[no pun intended]

What ever happened to Rose not recruiting people?

[Milbuck]

He wasn't gonna win a ring with Chicago, so why pass up the money?
:kobe:

I love the ignorance of people. People looked at the Bulls and saw they struggled offensively so naturally they're like "OMG, Carmelo is a great fit because he's a great offensive player." without taking anything else into consideration. :lol
Except that he WAS the perfect fit though..

[TheReal Kendall]

I love the ignorance of people. People looked at the Bulls and saw they struggled offensively so naturally they're like "OMG, Carmelo is a great fit because he's a great offensive player." without taking anything else into consideration. :lol

So you think it wouldn't have worked?

[Sarcastic]

It was his best option to win, especially now that the East is wide open.


Still no guarantee. You giving up $60 million for a slightly better chance?

[Rocketswin2013]

Two ball-dominant scorers in Rose and Melo wasn't gonna work anyways..

[CelticBaller]

I love the ignorance of people. People looked at the Bulls and saw they struggled offensively so naturally they're like "OMG, Carmelo is a great fit because he's a great offensive player." without taking anything else into consideration. :lol
You're kidding yourself if you believe he wasn't

[Sarcastic]

Carmelo will be an absolute beast in the triangle this year.

Watch the breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzXnOALd1k&list=UUSpvjDk06HLxBaw8sZw7SkA


Prepare thy anuses, NBA

[TheReal Kendall]

Carmelo will be an absolute beast in the triangle this year.

Watch the breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzXnOALd1k&list=UUSpvjDk06HLxBaw8sZw7SkA


Prepare thy anuses, NBA

The Knicks won't make it past the 2nd round though.

[Hey Yo]

"I want to win. I don't care about the money" - Carmelo Anthony
A study was done on the tax rates between Chicago and New York. After Melo taking less than MAX offered by NY compared to the 4yr MAX deal he was offered in Chicago, he's only getting about 10mil more take home pay by signing with NY.

That's not a substantial amount.

[Sarcastic]

The Knicks won't make it past the 2nd round though.


And Chicago will? Derrick Rose hasn't played in 2 years. You think he's gonna be healthy in May/June? :lol


(You didn't even watch the fcking video.)

[Hey Yo]

So this means Rose wanted the easier path to the Finals, right?

[Dengness9]

I love the ignorance of people. People looked at the Bulls and saw they struggled offensively so naturally they're like "OMG, Carmelo is a great fit because he's a great offensive player." without taking anything else into consideration. :lol


Taking in stuff like playing with a top defense with the reigning DPOY 1st team Center? Flanked by Jimmy Butler who enables Melo to guard the lesser of the wings on the other team?

Playing for one of the best, most respected, and most experienced coaches in the NBA in Thibs?

Bulls got Pau who came at a serious discount because even w/out Melo, views Chicago as a true contender.

Meticode, great offseason for you guys landing LBJ and probably Love soon.

Dont say stupid shit like this last post though. You are so knowledgable, so to see you say something like this is kinda shocking.

And if Rose comes back and stays on the court? Cmon man.

[ballinhun8]

He wasn't gonna win a ring with Chicago, so why pass up the money?


I'd say we have about the second or third best odds of winning one if he signed here. Without him? Fourth or fifth.

[TheReal Kendall]

And Chicago will? Derrick Rose hasn't played in 2 years. You think he's gonna be healthy in May/June? :lol


(You didn't even watch the fcking video.)

Even if Rose goes down they would have Melo to take over the offense. That's all they lacking.

Bulls have a way better chance at winning than the Knicks.

No I didn't watch it. I'm bout to watch it now.

[beastee]

A study was done on the tax rates between Chicago and New York. After Melo taking less than MAX offered by NY compared to the 4yr MAX deal he was offered in Chicago, he's only getting about 10mil more take home pay by signing with NY.

That's not a substantial amount.

Add in cost of housing and living...and Chicago over four years is probably about the same or cheaper. That 60 mil in NY with a Baller lifestyle isnt going to last as long as in Chicago.

[Sarcastic]

I'd say we have about the second or third best odds of winning one if he signed here. Without him? Fourth or fifth.


Again, would you pass up millions and millions of dollars for a non guaranteed ring? Slightly better chance is not worth that much money. If anyone wants a ring that bad, then they should just sign vet min deals with Lebron's team.

[Rocketswin2013]

These players will choose money the second it comes over seriously competing in perfect situations(Bosh, Melo).



I can't blame them and you have to remember that there's no such thing as too much money.

[moe94]

Still no guarantee. You giving up $60 million for a slightly better chance?

Slightly? :roll:

[Sarcastic]

Even if Rose goes down they would have Melo to take over the offense. That's all they lacking.

Bulls have a way better chance at winning than the Knicks.

No I didn't watch it. I'm bout to watch it now.


They also have $20 million tied up in Rose every year. If he gets hurt again, they have no ability to improve the roster. He just went through 3 years of Amar'e. You want him to do it again?


Knicks are cleared of Amar'e's conrtact after this season, as well as Bargnani. They will have space to reload in 2015 and beyond, much better than Chicago can.

[TheReal Kendall]

Again, would you pass up millions and millions of dollars for a non guaranteed ring? Slightly better chance is not worth that much money. If anyone wants a ring that bad, then they should just sign vet min deals with Lebron's team.

You right it's not a sure bet and I get why he took the money. Hell if I was in his position I would take the money too.

[Sarcastic]

Slightly? :roll:


Anything that is not a 100% guaranteed lock is "slightly" at this point in the season, before any games have been played. Unless you can see the future, you have no idea what will happen, who will get hurt, etc.


If you can see the future, what are tonight's lotto #'s?

[ballinhun8]

Again, would you pass up millions and millions of dollars for a non guaranteed ring? Slightly better chance is not worth that much money. If anyone wants a ring that bad, then they should just sign vet min deals with Lebron's team.


Why lebron? How about a vet minimum to join San Antonio?

And its not a slightly better chance like you keep saying. We're not marginally better than NY, we're in different tiers. We're looking at a possible title run and unfortunately for Melo, it looks like NY is heading to the lottery (assuming they have their own pick).


In all honesty, if Melo wanted money like that he could have easily told NY he was going to Chicago and Phil would've eventually caved in and agreed to a S&T. But maybe he just wanted to win his title where he could call home (or is the BAL area home for him) and I respect that.

[Dengness9]

And Chicago will? Derrick Rose hasn't played in 2 years. You think he's gonna be healthy in May/June? :lol


(You didn't even watch the fcking video.)



This is why i can't take some Knicks fans serious when talking about Melo.

First off you assuming he wont be healthy in May/June is you guessing just like anyone who would proclaim he'll make it through the season. You throwing up the laughing emoji after it wreaks of insecurity and Drose hate.

If Melo came to Chicago w/ Derrick Rose gone, they would still be a nasty team. Why is that so hard for Knicks fans to understand? You guys wanted Melo back because you clearly believe in his talent.

Knicks fan base clamored for Pau, acting like landing him on the 2014-15 squad would make you contenders in the East....but then Chicago lands him to go w/ Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic, and now Knicks fans say he is too old and not that good anymore. its an epic flip flop for the fan base.

Jimmy Butler? Better than Shump or THJ.

Dunleavy or McDermott? These are players the Knicks would love to have.

You better hope Rose doesn't make it to May/June. Not just for the sake of eating your words but because you will see a Bulls team that is shitting on a lot of teams.

Good Luck ending up 7-10 in the east and having a 1st round exit as your ceiling next season.

Cap room in 2015! Melo taking that massive pay cut doeeeee:cheers:




P.S. I like you as a poster but you come at my team Im gonna have to come at yours. Not personal between us.

[Blue&Orange]

Even wanting badly to be in NY, Melo threatened the Knicks to go somewhere else so that the Nuggets could get the best possible deal.

After an horrible year Melo chooses to stay.

Melo = Alpha


Now compare that to Lebron that goes as far as faking injuries when he decides to jump ship to another loaded team (life threatening elbow and cramps injuries) shitting on his actual team, and to Lebron's beta friends (Love) that instruct his agent to say Cavs on nobody else, shitting on his actual team, i don't understand how there's an intelligent living person that can bash Melo for his FA decisions.


This forum is full of betafags.

cavs fans have no respect for themselfs... Yo Lebron faked an injury and gave up on your team, because he already decided months before he would be going to take his talents to south beach.

[Hey Yo]

This is why i can't take some Knicks fans serious when talking about Melo.

First off you assuming he wont be healthy in May/June is you guessing just like anyone who would proclaim he'll make it through the season. You throwing up the laughing emoji after it wreaks of insecurity and Drose hate.

If Melo came to Chicago w/ Derrick Rose gone, they would still be a nasty team. Why is that so hard for Knicks fans to understand? You guys wanted Melo back because you clearly believe in his talent.

Knicks fan base clamored for Pau, acting like landing him on the 2014-15 squad would make you contenders in the East....but then Chicago lands him to go w/ Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic, and now Knicks fans say he is too old and not that good anymore. its an epic flip flop for the fan base.

Jimmy Butler? Better than Shump or THJ.

Dunleavy or McDermott? These are players the Knicks would love to have.

You better hope Rose doesn't make it to May/June. Not just for the sake of eating your words but because you will see a Bulls team that is shitting on a lot of teams.

Good Luck ending up 7-10 in the east and having a 1st round exit as your ceiling next season.

Cap room in 2015! Melo taking that massive pay cut doeeeee:cheers:




P.S. I like you as a poster but you come at my team Im gonna have to come at yours. Not personal between us.
Very good chance that 2 or 3 of those bolded above are not with Chicago if Melo signs. they would have to get rid of some bodies to fit him in.

[Legends66NBA7]

This forum is full of betafags.

So that makes you a "betafag" since your a part of this forum.

:hammerhead:

[Milbuck]

Anything that is not a 100% guaranteed lock is "slightly" at this point in the season, before any games have been played. Unless you can see the future, you have no idea what will happen, who will get hurt, etc.


If you can see the future, what are tonight's lotto #'s?
****ing LOL at using the Bulls' "uncertainty" as justification.

Rose is 100% physically. We've heard about it for weeks, we've seen it in Team USA practice which I just saw like an hour ago with staff/reporters all clearly stating that, once again, he's back.

Rose/Brooks/Hinrich
Butler/Snell
McDermott/Dunleavy
Gasol/Mirotic
Noah/Taj

With a top 3 coach.

That's without Melo, and all you hear right now is how strong they look to be and how much potential they have as a team..they're arguably the most balanced offensive and defensive team in the entire NBA aside from San Antonio. That team, minus Gasol and Brooks but adding Melo is undoubtedly a championship contender and laughably better than anything the Knicks will be in the next 3-5 years.

And who cares about it not being a 100% lock? How many teams in NBA history were a 100% lock to win the championship before the season started? The point is, the Bulls were far and away the strongest option for him basketball-wise if he truly wanted to win. Instead he chose to take around a whopping 1mil less per year to play in the most embarrassing franchise in the NBA in terms of market size to success.

[TheReal Kendall]

This is why i can't take some Knicks fans serious when talking about Melo.

First off you assuming he wont be healthy in May/June is you guessing just like anyone who would proclaim he'll make it through the season. You throwing up the laughing emoji after it wreaks of insecurity and Drose hate.

If Melo came to Chicago w/ Derrick Rose gone, they would still be a nasty team. Why is that so hard for Knicks fans to understand? You guys wanted Melo back because you clearly believe in his talent.

Knicks fan base clamored for Pau, acting like landing him on the 2014-15 squad would make you contenders in the East....but then Chicago lands him to go w/ Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic, and now Knicks fans say he is too old and not that good anymore. its an epic flip flop for the fan base.

Jimmy Butler? Better than Shump or THJ.

Dunleavy or McDermott? These are players the Knicks would love to have.

You better hope Rose doesn't make it to May/June. Not just for the sake of eating your words but because you will see a Bulls team that is shitting on a lot of teams.

Good Luck ending up 7-10 in the east and having a 1st round exit as your ceiling next season.

Cap room in 2015! Melo taking that massive pay cut doeeeee:cheers:




P.S. I like you as a poster but you come at my team Im gonna have to come at yours. Not personal between us.

:applause:




Even wanting badly to be in NY, Melo threatened the Knicks to go somewhere else so that the Nuggets could get the best possible deal.

After an horrible year Melo chooses to stay.

Melo = Alpha


Now compare that to Lebron that goes as far as faking injuries when he decides to jump ship to another loaded team (life threatening elbow and cramps injuries) shitting on his actual team, and to Lebron's beta friends (Love) that instruct his agent to say Cavs on nobody else, shitting on his actual team, i don't understand how there's an intelligent living person that can bash Melo for his FA decisions.


This forum is full of betafags.

cavs fans have no respect for themselfs... Yo Lebron faked an injury and gave up on your team, because he already decided months before he would be going to take his talents to south beach.


:facepalm Should've known somebody was gonna bring Lebron up.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

We've heard that one before. :oldlol:

Melo and Rose would have been an interesting duo to say the least.

[Legends66NBA7]

:facepalm Should've known somebody was gonna bring Lebron up.

Sarcastic brought up LeBron first. But I get what your saying in this case.

[TheReal Kendall]

Sarcastic brought up LeBron first. But I get what your saying in this case.

He didn't bash the guy. This guys whole post is bashing Lebron.

[Legends66NBA7]

He didn't bash the guy. This guys whole post is bashing Lebron.

I know... that's why I said, I get what your saying in that post.

[JT123]

Even wanting badly to be in NY, Melo threatened the Knicks to go somewhere else so that the Nuggets could get the best possible deal.

After an horrible year Melo chooses to stay.

Melo = Alpha


Now compare that to Lebron that goes as far as faking injuries when he decides to jump ship to another loaded team (life threatening elbow and cramps injuries) shitting on his actual team, and to Lebron's beta friends (Love) that instruct his agent to say Cavs on nobody else, shitting on his actual team, i don't understand how there's an intelligent living person that can bash Melo for his FA decisions.


This forum is full of betafags.

cavs fans have no respect for themselfs... Yo Lebron faked an injury and gave up on your team, because he already decided months before he would be going to take his talents to south beach.
What does Lebron have to do with this thread? :wtf:
In fact I don't think I have ever seen you make a post that didn't mention Lebron or his team. You are literally OBSESSED with all things Lebron James! :lol No wonder Lebron turned down your loser franchise. Loser players and loser fans like you are all the incentive players need to avoid New York. :yaohappy:

[navy]

Are we still on this? Melo wanted to get paid. Let it go.

[TheReal Kendall]

I know... that's why I said, I get what your saying in that post.

My bad. I just seen the first part. :cheers:

[Dengness9]

They also have $20 million tied up in Rose every year. If he gets hurt again, they have no ability to improve the roster. He just went through 3 years of Amar'e. You want him to do it again?


Knicks are cleared of Amar'e's conrtact after this season, as well as Bargnani. They will have space to reload in 2015 and beyond, much better than Chicago can.

Cap space is nice but Knicks are leagues behind the Bulls as far as roster talent goes.

Noah, Gibson, Mirotic, Pau, McDermott, Dunleavy, Butler, Snell....

you dont get that much talent in one off season. 2015 Knicks summer is a pipe dream right now anyway.


P.S. Amare is much older than Rose, and didnt have numerous micro fracture surgery and such.

If Bulls lose Rose again, they still don't have to "reload" they have a ton of talent regardless.

[JT123]

The fit between Lin and LA is a good one. The Lakers, in all likelihood, will not compete chip. They're looking to create an exciting product, and Lin has been must-see-TV before, and can be again with Bean.

In terms of his playing time, even if Nash starts, I think Lin sees the majority of the time. At this point, limiting Nash's minutes will make him more effective, and he should be on dat Pop plan.
Wrong thread. :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wrong thread. :lol

Fixed that :cheers:

[Sarcastic]

:wtf:
Cap space is nice but Knicks are leagues behind the Bulls as far as roster talent goes.

Noah, Gibson, Mirotic, Pau, McDermott, Dunleavy, Butler, Snell....

you dont get that much talent in one off season. 2015 Knicks summer is a pipe dream right now anyway.


P.S. Amare is much older than Rose, and didnt have numerous micro fracture surgery and such.

If Bulls lose Rose again, they still don't have to "reload" they have a ton of talent regardless.

It was stated earlier, Bulls don't keep all those guys if Melo goes to Chicago. Their depth gets much more shallow.

[(e)]

Still no guarantee. You giving up $60 million for a slightly better chance?
The 5th year was incredibly overrated. He should of signed a deal similar to Lebron and then resign for the max when the salary cap is 80+ million.

No guarantee that he would be worth the max at that point, but with the cap so high he'd definitely get 20million unless he goes down with some major injury.

He could of made up the money difference by doing a Lebron like deal, and then winning in April-June. He isn't winning anything with that current Knicks team, and outside of Marc Gasol - who do they have a chance at getting?

[FLDFSU]

:no: collusion d rose

[bagelred]

Wait, I thought you guys were happy when superstars stay with their team, right? I thought you didn't like players who ring chase. Now you WANT them to ring chase?

[Sarcastic]

The 5th year was incredibly overrated. He should of signed a deal similar to Lebron and then resign for the max when the salary cap is 80+ million.

No guarantee that he would be worth the max at that point, but with the cap so high he'd definitely get 20million unless he goes down with some major injury.

He could of made up the money difference by doing a Lebron like deal, and then winning in April-June. He isn't winning anything with that current Knicks team, and outside of Marc Gasol - who do they have a chance at getting?

Melo has always gone for the money, even from his Denver days. That's why he was not a FA at the same time as LeBron, Wade, and Bosh, when he was drafted the same year. He took the money from the Nuggets, giving up the chance to team up with Bran.

[ballinhun8]

Wait, I thought you guys were happy when superstars stay with their team, right? I thought you didn't like players who ring chase. Now you WANT them to ring chase?

Don't give us some BS excuse than about winning being more important than money.

[(e)]

Melo has always gone for the money, even from his Denver days. That's why he was not a FA at the same time as LeBron, Wade, and Bosh, when he was drafted the same year. He took the money from the Nuggets, giving up the chance to team up with Bran.
Things I know. He made the same mistake again.

LeBron is going to make MORE money over the next 4 years by being able to resign when the new TV deal is in place - over him just taking a 4 year max deal.

Melo could of done the same, while given him the ability to put pressure on the Knicks to put a good team around him. Nope.

I'm not going to criticize him for taking the guaranteed money that was on the table, but dude is straight up lying to himself and everyone else if he believes the, "it's not about the money, I just wanna weeeen" talk he's been spewing since he signed that deal.

He could of been a rich winner in Chicago. He'll be an even richer loser in NY.

[Hey Yo]

Wait, I thought you guys were happy when superstars stay with their team, right? I thought you didn't like players who ring chase. Now you WANT them to ring chase?
James was also ripped for saying it would be easy. Taking the easy path.

Rose tells Melo to come to Chicago because "it will be easy"

[NuggetsFan]

Melo clearly went after the money. Not sure why people didn't think he would, showed that forcing himself to NY while getting the extension and helping gut the team he was going to play for.

Nowadays I'm probably in the minority but I can kinda respect him. He just wanted to play in NY at all costs while making as much money as possible. There's some loyalty towards NY. He could have cashed in, clearly not as much as he can in NY but still made tons of cash. The whole superstar team up thing is annoying. He went for it once, failed and now kinda was like whatever.

Terrible career move tho. Perfect fit on the Bulls. East wide open. He's already got the raw numbers, WCF app, he's been slaughtered by great teams whenever he's been bounced in the playoffs most of the time. Going to Chicago and potentially winning IMO he could have been seen as the best player or very least similar to the Iverson/Melo situation. Would have changed his career entirely.

[InfiniteBaskets]

If Carmelo had joined Chicago, he would be the first to third most impactful Bull in a lineup including healthy Noah and Rose on any given night.

Giving up $60M of guaranteed money for a one third chance of getting a finals MVP even if he does win the championship?

[LoneyROY7]

Melo's my dude, but he f*cked up. With Chicago, he's looking at a potential 1 seed and a trip to the Finals.

With the Knicks...

[played0ut]

Even if he took less money to go to the bulls. If he won you he would've made up the lost income with endorsements.

*if*.

[nathanjizzle]

im glad the bulls dodged that bullet.

[LoneyROY7]

im glad the bulls dodged that bullet.

You just didn't want anyone other than Rose to have the spotlight on the team.

[nathanjizzle]

You just didn't want anyone other than Rose to have the spotlight on the team.

true.

but i dont like his entitled personality. bulls are a good bunch of guys with high character. but as you can see, melo has none by taking money over his own legacy. he didnt feel good about lin leading the knicks, he was quite salty about it, what makes you think hes going to feel different about rose?

[Hey Yo]

true.

but i dont like his entitled personality. bulls are a good bunch of guys with high character. but as you can see, melo has none by taking money over his own legacy. he didnt feel good about lin leading the knicks, he was quite salty about it, what makes you think hes going to feel different about rose?
Legacy doesn't pay the bills, holmes

and LOL @ Lin going to lead the Knicks after a handful of good games.

[played0ut]

true.

but i dont like his entitled personality. bulls are a good bunch of guys with high character. but as you can see, melo has none by taking money over his own legacy. he didnt feel good about lin leading the knicks, he was quite salty about it, what makes you think hes going to feel different about rose?

And extra 50 million dollar's (pre-adjustment) a lotttt of money. That 50 million could set his new few generations of family FOR LIFE.


And you really think he has a bad attitude? He seems pretty good and mature now, tbh.

[BarberSchool]

Carmelo will be an absolute beast in the triangle this year.

Watch the breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzXnOALd1k&list=UUSpvjDk06HLxBaw8sZw7SkA


Prepare thy anuses, NBAThere is a 1.6% chance you are the lowliest tape guy in Phil's arsenal.

[Dengness9]

Wait, I thought you guys were happy when superstars stay with their team, right? I thought you didn't like players who ring chase. Now you WANT them to ring chase?


very fair point. I personally never proclaimed Melo going to Chicago was anything like say the Heat coming together.

I want to see great players have a chance to play for a chip, Melo hasn't had too many great teams or teammates.


Going to Chicago would have given him AT LEAST a shot at going one right away and for years in a row.

The fact that Melo has to rot for another season AT THE VERY LEAST, sucks.

And there is just no guarantee that the summer of 2015 makes the Knicks contenders.

In fact seeing as Miami STACKED the deck more than the Knicks can next summer, that team as we all know didnt even win in year one.

I love Phil, believe in the guy. Building a TRUE contender in 2 maybe 3 years in extremely difficult. Plus this 2014-15 Knicks compared to whatever the 2015-16 Knicks will look like will most likely have a lot of roster turnover, which is necessary but building continuity and trust takes time.

Last I heard from Melo himself, time is something he doesn't have much of anymore.

(cue the Kermit drinking tea "that's none of my business.")

[Dengness9]

:wtf:

It was stated earlier, Bulls don't keep all those guys if Melo goes to Chicago. Their depth gets much more shallow.

Bulls had cap clearing moves to make space for Melo w/ out giving up too much.

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/535900

The most likely players out were Dunleavy and Gibson.

Bulls could have traded Boozer for cap space along with a 1st rounder. As soon as the Bulls didnt get Melo, they didnt really need the extra cap space so they just amnestied him to save a first rounder. Smart.

Bulls could have had Rose, Noah, Butler, Melo, Snell, McDermott, and Mirotic, Bairstow too(poido!)

Who knows if Gasol takes a MLE with the Bulls if he already took significantly less to play in Chicago WITHOUT MELO. Gasol clearly loved Chi as a destination if he turned down SAS, OKC, LAL, MIA etc.

Lots of ways through S&T or completely different avenues for the Bulls to have been creative and kept what they wanted and still given Melo a full 4 year max.

[niko]

Chicago invited Melo out, then told him they'd pay him about half of what the Knicks would. HALF. Then when they were supposed to be clearing more space, they started filling that space with players, making it more difficult to sign Melo. Was Chicago the best basketball fit? Yes. But no one in his situation (literally no one) would have signed there. Lebron would have laughed. Lebron made Cleveland clear max space. He told other teams if they wanted to talk to him, clear max space.

If Chicago was offering a little less than NY and he took NY i get the criticism but the salary they offered him to be honest was kind of insulting. They pretty much wasted his time.

Note: One of the things Chicago has made pretty much known is they don;t want to be a taxpayer. Why? They are the CHICAGO bulls. It's one of the largest media markets in the country. But, they need to make sure not to pay the extra couple million. That's ridiculous. I get being frugal, it's good business. But to be a contender level team jettisoning players not to have flexibility but to save $ is pretty lame.

[Mr. Incredible]

lol @ the hypocrites ITT.

[Dengness9]

Chicago invited Melo out, then told him they'd pay him about half of what the Knicks would. HALF. Then when they were supposed to be clearing more space, they started filling that space with players, making it more difficult to sign Melo. Was Chicago the best basketball fit? Yes. But no one in his situation (literally no one) would have signed there. Lebron would have laughed. Lebron made Cleveland clear max space. He told other teams if they wanted to talk to him, clear max space.

If Chicago was offering a little less than NY and he took NY i get the criticism but the salary they offered him to be honest was kind of insulting. They pretty much wasted his time.


The Bulls would have cleared 96 for 4 for him in a heartbeat. You are smoking. Just like when you said Reinsdorf wouldn't amnesty Boozer.

Why the **** would the Bulls clear players like Gibson, or Dunleavy or even Butler if they didn't have a guarantee for Melo???

Did you know when the Bulls did what you suggested? 2010 summer by trading Hinrich AND a 1st rounder for cap space for Lebron, Wade, Bosh etc, and got burned.

You keep spewing this shit the Bulls wouldn't have offered him a full 4 year max if he wanted it but it's not true.

Bulls like everyone else knew Melo WANTS HIS MONEY. That is Melo's reputation before this and definitely after.

They laid out many scenarios for him, on different paydays and trades and the money he would have and the core that would be there.

Bulls started laying down their game plans when they traded Deng early in the season. There is ZERO chance the Bulls went into the summer saying "we only have 70 whatever mil for you Carmelo...take it or leave it."

Yeah ****ing right Niko.

If Melo was insulted then he wouldn't have come down to the wire between Chi and NY about his decision. The Bulls made a GREAT RUN at Carmelo Anthony. Melo praised the Bulls for their efforts. So just stop
124 for 5. END OF THE STORY.

[niko]

The Bulls would have cleared 96 for 4 for him in a heartbeat. You are smoking. Just like when you said Reinsdorf wouldn't amnesty Boozer.

Why the **** would the Bulls clear players like Gibson, or Dunleavy or even Butler if they didn't have a guarantee for Melo???

Did you know when the Bulls did what you suggested? 2010 summer by trading Hinrich AND a 1st rounder for cap space for Lebron, Wade, Bosh etc, and got burned.

You keep spewing this shit the Bulls wouldn't have offered him a full 4 year max if he wanted it but it's not true.

Bulls like everyone else knew Melo WANTS HIS MONEY. That is Melo's reputation before this and definitely after.

They laid out many scenarios for him, on different paydays and trades and the money he would have and the core that would be there.

Bulls started laying down their game plans when they traded Deng early in the season. There is ZERO chance the Bulls went into the summer saying "we only have 70 whatever mil for you Carmelo...take it or leave it."

Yeah ****ing right Niko.

If Melo was insulted then he wouldn't have come down to the wire between Chi and NY about his decision. The Bulls made a GREAT RUN at Carmelo Anthony.

124 for 5. END OF THE STORY.
Bullshit. They offered him a shitty low amount and then promised Mirotic they'd bring him over while he was still waiting on a larger offer. With the Knicks saying no S&T. They were talking to Gasol too with Carmelo still floating out there. They never went to him and promised that, they even (if you look early) said they'd keep Gibson.

Essentially they wanted one of two things..
1) Melo took the shitty offer
2) The Knicks ate a lot of salary from their books.

I like what they did this summer, but it's pretty obvious they didn't want Melo at a large salary. If you did, you'd have got him. I give props...you saved us from ourselves.

[LakersFan626]

The Knicks won't make it past the 2nd round though.

I don't even see them making the playoffs to be honest.

Cleveland
Miami
Washington
Chicago
Toronto
Indiana
Charlotte
Atlanta

All of these teams will be ahead of the Knicks as they have to LEARN the triangle and a team with Melo, JR, and Amare will likely take a while to learn it as their bball IQs are pretty below average. The Wolves NEVER learned it in the two years Rambis coached them... the teams above all have solid lineups and a defensive culture (Atlanta not nearly as much as they're Spurs lite when healthy, meaning they're three pointer and ball movement oriented, and while Cleveland was bad on defense every year post LeBron, I have a feeling he'll improve their D, especially on the perimeter. The Cavs had good D with Jamison and Mo Williams in the starting lineup so Kyrie in the starting lineup shouldn't hurt it with Varejao being a good defender at center) while the Knicks' lineup is average/mediocre with bad defense last year WITH Chandler.

[Dengness9]

Clearly Melo knew he could take NYK by the balls even with Phil Jackson running things.


A No trade clause? 15% trade Kicker?

Is 124 over 5 instead of 129 of 5 even really considered a pay cut? Anyone outside of NYC maybe will tell you it's a joke he still took that much w/ all that winning talk he was doing.

[Dengness9]

Bullshit. They offered him a shitty low amount and then promised Mirotic they'd bring him over while he was still waiting on a larger offer. With the Knicks saying no S&T. They were talking to Gasol too with Carmelo still floating out there. They never went to him and promised that, they even (if you look early) said they'd keep Gibson.

Essentially they wanted one of two things..
1) Melo took the shitty offer
2) The Knicks ate a lot of salary from their books.

I like what they did this summer, but it's pretty obvious they didn't want Melo at a large salary. If you did, you'd have got him. I give props...you saved us from ourselves.


I feel bad the way I came across there. I just passionately defend the Bulls organization when it comes to the Melo saga this summer.

Ill clarify something based off what you just said.

Bulls indeed floated a scenario out to Melo about taking a "shitty" offer enabling the Bulls to keep about every last piece they wanted.

Bulls also wanted more than anything for a S&T to really max out the roster talent and Knicks said NO because Melo never tried to force them by saying Im going to Chicago no matter what. If he did, it would have been point of no return for Melo and really forced both Melo and Phil's hands.

But Melo never told the Knicks they were out so that's why a S&T scenario didnt unfold. Because i dont give a shit what you think, if Melo picks Chicago, Phil would look and be a bafoon for not getting one younger player maybe and a draft pick or two.

You say the Bulls didn't want a large salary on Melo, if they did they wouldve got him?

Read between the lines. Why would the Bulls target Carmelo Anthony above everything, including Kevin Love but not be willing to give up the pieces necessary to give him the money he wants?

Did we not just hear the Bulls offered McDermott, Mirotic, and Gibson for Love??? Bulls didn't even value Love over Melo.

Again, THE CHICAGO BULLS WOULD HAVE GIVEN MELO 96 FOR 4 IF HE WANTED IT. HE WANTED 120+MILLION.

Bulls wanted Melo, Rose, Noah plus whatever they could keep, there was probably 20 possibilities.

[poido123]

Bullshit. They offered him a shitty low amount and then promised Mirotic they'd bring him over while he was still waiting on a larger offer. With the Knicks saying no S&T. They were talking to Gasol too with Carmelo still floating out there. They never went to him and promised that, they even (if you look early) said they'd keep Gibson.

Essentially they wanted one of two things..
1) Melo took the shitty offer
2) The Knicks ate a lot of salary from their books.

I like what they did this summer, but it's pretty obvious they didn't want Melo at a large salary. If you did, you'd have got him. I give props...you saved us from ourselves.


What? In don't know where people are getting this large disparity in offers between NY and Chicago.

Bulls offered 4 years 96 million.

NY was 5 years 124 million.

So another year on his contract with the bulls on what they were prepared to pay would be around 117 million...

So yeah, he had no excuse really.

[Jameerthefear]

What? In don't know where people are getting this large disparity in offers between NY and Chicago.

Bulls offered 4 years 96 million.

NY was 5 years 124 million.

So another year on his contract with the bulls on what they were prepared to pay would be around 117 million...

So yeah, he had no excuse really.
Are you really this dumb?

[poido123]

Are you really this dumb?


Jimmies rustled confirmed :lol

[Jameerthefear]

Jimmies rustled confirmed :lol
No like honestly, are you THAT stupid?

[poido123]

No like honestly, are you THAT stupid?


Why are you asking me that question?

Didn't you just say that the magic should make the nplayoffs this year? What? :hammerhead:

[R.I.P]

I feel bad the way I came across there. I just passionately defend the Bulls organization when it comes to the Melo saga this summer.

Ill clarify something based off what you just said.

Bulls indeed floated a scenario out to Melo about taking a "shitty" offer enabling the Bulls to keep about every last piece they wanted.

Bulls also wanted more than anything for a S&T to really max out the roster talent and Knicks said NO because Melo never tried to force them by saying Im going to Chicago no matter what. If he did, it would have been point of no return for Melo and really forced both Melo and Phil's hands.

But Melo never told the Knicks they were out so that's why a S&T scenario didnt unfold. Because i dont give a shit what you think, if Melo picks Chicago, Phil would look and be a bafoon for not getting one younger player maybe and a draft pick or two.

You say the Bulls didn't want a large salary on Melo, if they did they wouldve got him?

Read between the lines. Why would the Bulls target Carmelo Anthony above everything, including Kevin Love but not be willing to give up the pieces necessary to give him the money he wants?

Did we not just hear the Bulls offered McDermott, Mirotic, and Gibson for Love??? Bulls didn't even value Love over Melo.

Again, THE CHICAGO BULLS WOULD HAVE GIVEN MELO 96 FOR 4 IF HE WANTED IT. HE WANTED 120+MILLION.

Bulls wanted Melo, Rose, Noah plus whatever they could keep, there was probably 20 possibilities.

Ok, Bulls is better option and better team than Knicks right now for Melo. But we can't say that for future when Knicks has Phil running the show. As Knicks fan, I'm happy with Melo back. But fcuk his pay-cut. He should shut the fcuk up about "want to win". All he wants is money :facepalm

[niko]

What? In don't know where people are getting this large disparity in offers between NY and Chicago.

Bulls offered 4 years 96 million.

NY was 5 years 124 million.

So another year on his contract with the bulls on what they were prepared to pay would be around 117 million...

So yeah, he had no excuse really.
Bulls didn't offer 4 yrs $96M. They offered 4 years starting at just under $17. That doesn't get to $96.

[poido123]

Bulls didn't offer 4 yrs $96M. They offered 4 years starting at just under $17. That doesn't get to $96.


Sorry.

Bulls offered 4 years 73 million, which over 5 years is around 90 and about 30 million short of the NY offer.

4 years 96 million was the Lakers. I got them mixed up.

I apologise

[bagelred]

Don't give us some BS excuse than about winning being more important than money.

There are so many ridiculous assumptions in that one sentence.

So if he goes to chicago it's "winning", staying in new york its "money". Wow. So simple. If he goes to Chicago, he's not guaranteed ANYTHING. Nothing. Why should he move to a worse city and uproot his whole family for a possible better chance at winning? And for alot less money? :oldlol: What world do you live in? He's been in New York for 3 1/2 seasons. Ever think maybe he just LIKES being in New York and playing for Knicks?

And let's be clear...no matter where Melo went he would have got paid. ANYWHERE. You think he wouldn't have gotten paid if he truly 100% wanted Chicago? How naive are you?

He would have went to Bulls mgmt, and said "listen, I want to be Bull, but I have to get paid max money or close. make that happen and i'm yours. no compromise."

The Bulls would have kept Rose and Noah and immediately dumped Taj Gibson to another team to clear space...oh wait, you don't think that would happen? Really? They will miss out on Melo for Taj? :oldlol:

And of course, Melo would have got big money on Rockets or Lakers too.

At the end of the day, he got the money he wanted, in the city he wanted which he CHOSE to be in 3 1/2 years ago. With now Phil Jackson (you remember him right?) running the show, and a shit load of cap space 11 months from now to retool the team around Melo.

But keep convincing yourself Melo should have went to Chicago if he he cared about winning. :oldlol: Take care now...."but but but...Melo clearly is a loser....I'm mad!" :oldlol:

[R.I.P]

There are so many ridiculous assumptions in that one sentence.

So if he goes to chicago it's "winning", staying in new york its "money". Wow. So simple. If he goes to Chicago, he's not guaranteed ANYTHING. Nothing. Why should he move to a worse city and uproot his whole family for a possible better chance at winning? And for alot less money? :oldlol: What world do you live in? He's been in New York for 3 1/2 seasons. Ever think maybe he just LIKES being in New York and playing for Knicks?

And let's be clear...no matter where Melo went he would have got paid. ANYWHERE. You think he wouldn't have gotten paid if he truly 100% wanted Chicago? How naive are you?

He would have went to Bulls mgmt, and said "listen, I want to be Bull, but I have to get paid max money or close. make that happen and i'm yours. no compromise."

The Bulls would have kept Rose and Noah and immediately dumped Taj Gibson to another team to clear space...oh wait, you don't think that would happen? Really? They will miss out on Melo for Taj? :oldlol:

And of course, Melo would have got big money on Rockets or Lakers too.

At the end of the day, he got the money he wanted, in the city he wanted which he CHOSE to be in 3 1/2 years ago. With now Phil Jackson (you remember him right?) running the show, and a shit load of cap space 11 months from now to retool the team around Melo.

But keep convincing yourself Melo should have went to Chicago if he he cared about winning. :oldlol: Take care now...."but but but...Melo clearly is a loser....I'm mad!" :oldlol:

You are Cavs fan now? :lol If Melo likes NY or winning, the discount should be better than 5mil. Maybe you guys already discussed but I still don't get it. :facepalm

[3peated]

melo mvp year inc

[aboss4real24]

The bulls will not i repeat will not go far in the playoffs


they will b taken out b4 the the ecf

melo chose the right team

y play with a guy who will never b the same ever again? (rose)


And nyk has cap in 2015 the bulls dont

[nightprowler10]

Two ball-dominant scorers in Rose and Melo wasn't gonna work anyways..
This is a myth. Rose was ball dominant only when he needed to be.