Knicks running the Triangle in summer league

[fpliii]

Saw this video posted elsewhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyKnN9AMIE

Their summer league players are a good ways away in terms of execution. The video maker speculated that Melo will be spending a good deal of time as the weak-side forward.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Knicks will make the playoffs.

[russwest0]

If OKC started Morrow and Adams and ran this offense.....

Damn......

[Legends66NBA7]

Knicks will make the playoffs.

Reasons ?

[Kblaze8855]

I kinda wonder if this is more for the coaches. Guys play the triangle for 2 years to get it down. Summer league people are often out of the league in weeks.

Almost feels like doing some of them dirty having them play the triangle. Granted...if one or two show they can grasp it quickly they may have a shot to make the team.

[Cocaine80s]

If OKC started Morrow and Adams and ran this offense.....

Damn......
we can see this in 2016 when Durant goes to the knicks

[TheMarkMadsen]

Reasons ?

Great system, good personnel to run that system. A top 5-10 player in the nba. Amare is looking better. Hardaway jr should keep improving.

[Meticode]

Reasons ?
East

[TheMarkMadsen]

I kinda wonder if this is more for the coaches. Guys play the triangle for 2 years to get it down. Summer league people are often out of the league in weeks.

Almost feels like doing some of them dirty having them play the triangle. Granted...if one or two show they can grasp it quickly they may have a shot to make the team.

Hardaway will play big minutes, Tyler will make the team, Larkin will make the team.

[russwest0]

we can see this in 2016 when Durant goes to the knicks

KD would be so goddamn dominant from the Triangle... Give him Phil and a decent supporting cast and he's no doubt ending his career with 5-6 rings like Kobe/Jordan ended up with...

Just watching the Knicks already run an offense 10x more advanced than anything we've ever seen from Brooks in OKC has me pretty salty, I'm not going to lie.

[Legends66NBA7]

Great system, good personnel to run that system. A top 5-10 player in the nba. Amare is looking better. Hardaway jr should keep improving.

What's your projected playoff seeding list look like ?

[Lebronxrings]

no excuses not to make the playoffs.

[no pun intended]

It will be interesting to see the Warriors running triangle this year as well...

[9erempiree]

How am i not surprised. Is fish there? Could be an experiment to get him ready. Triangle does no good for a player trying to make a team.

Melo on the weak side will open him up for some easy offense since its a 2 man game on that side.

[fpliii]

How am i not surprised. Is fish there? Could be an experiment to get him ready. Triangle does no good for a player trying to make a team.

Melo on the weak side will open him up for some easy offense since its a 2 man game on that side.
Yeah, they showed Fish on the bench.

Should be interesting to see how it goes down. They have a lot of young players on this team so the learning curve might be steep, but if it pans out you can put some of that athleticism to use, since there's tons of cutting to the basket and finishing.

[sick_brah07]

I kinda wonder if this is more for the coaches. Guys play the triangle for 2 years to get it down. Summer league people are often out of the league in weeks.

Almost feels like doing some of them dirty having them play the triangle. Granted...if one or two show they can grasp it quickly they may have a shot to make the team.


honest to god I do not see why the triangle is SO HARD to get. It really isnt that hard its a read and react system all it does is show you very quickly which guys play like corey maggette ie have trouble moving the ball at the right time

[TheMarkMadsen]

What's your projected playoff seeding list look like ?

Depends on if the Cavs get Love, what happens to Monroe, btw is Lou Will on the raptors now?

Bulls (depends on Rose health)
Cavs with Love
Heat (Wade plays 65-70 games)
Washington
Raptors with Lou
Knicks
Pacers
Hornets

Cavs with Love might take 20 games to get comfortable.

[Legends66NBA7]

Depends on if the Cavs get Love, what happens to Monroe, btw is Lou Will on the raptors now?

Bulls (depends on Rose health)
Cavs with Love
Heat (Wade plays 65-70 games)
Washington
Raptors with Lou
Knicks
Pacers
Hornets

Cavs with Love might take 20 games to get comfortable.

Yes, Lou is a Raptor. So is James Johnson.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Their summer league players are a good ways away in terms of execution.

Yeah, that's to be expected. I've kind of been fascinated by the offense for years, and if the Knicks do get it down(and I'm really not looking forward to seeing JR in the offense!) it will still take a while and undoubtedly be rough early. The Bulls took quite a while, and the 2000 Lakers were really rough the first couple of months, though a lot of the players did make progress surprisingly fast, which was probably aided by Ron Harper starting at guard for them. During the 2nd half of the season and playoffs, I thought they were doing well with it. For some really nice execution in the offense, watch game 1 of the finals vs Indiana.

Of course, veterans who are set in their ways often have a notoriously difficult time learning the offense. Some never do such as Dennis Hopson, Glen Rice, Isaiah Rider, Mitch Richmond, Lindsey Hunter and Gary Payton.


The video maker speculated that Melo will be spending a good deal of time as the weak-side forward.

Yeah, this was a thought of mine as well. He could get some space to work, he'll be very effective from that range with the threat of the jab-step or the 18-20 footer, and I'd like to see Melo in the 2 man game. I'm still not sure how Melo will work in the offense because it's really hard to predict, but he has the potential to be very effective in various spots in the offense.

[IGOTGAME]

honest to god I do not see why the triangle is SO HARD to get. It really isnt that hard its a read and react system all it does is show you very quickly which guys play like corey maggette ie have trouble moving the ball at the right time
Some players just have low basketball iq and no amount of work can improve it. Just because you win the genetic lottery does mean that the extra time spend playing the game will help with stuff like this. I'm not an Nna player by far, but no offense is difficult to run. I'm sure I could pick up the triangle in three weeks.

[R.I.P]

Saw this video posted elsewhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyKnN9AMIE

Their summer league players are a good ways away in terms of execution. The video maker speculated that Melo will be spending a good deal of time as the weak-side forward.

Wow, It's more difficult than I thought. I guess those low IQ player of Knicks should better practice this right now :lol

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Warriors were running some triangle in the Summer League as well.

[longtime lurker]

Didn't they have to implement the mercy rule in one of their summer league games? That triangle doing work.

[R.I.P]

Some players just have low basketball iq and no amount of work can improve it. Just because you win the genetic lottery does mean that the extra time spend playing the game will help with stuff like this. I'm not an Nna player by far, but no offense is difficult to run. I'm sure I could pick up the triangle in three weeks.
Maybe you can get it fast. But it looks like all team has to get it to make system works, which I'm highly doubt for current Knick's rosters. :(

[ShaqAttack3234]

:oldlol: Speaking of lower IQs, Bargnani and especially Jr Smith are disasters waiting to happen in that offense. I can see JR overdribbling and completely killing the flow then tossing up a a bad outside shot or trying to penetrate at the wrong time. I've liked Amare a lot since his first year with the Knicks, but I don't think it's a great offense for him. Then again, who knows with his greatly improved post game, but he'll have to get better at passing out of the post, and making quicker passes and decisions. Then again, I could also see Amare with some work potentially being pretty good on the weakside.

Personally, I don't think the roster as constructed is particularly good for the offense. I do think there's a good chance Melo can thrive in it, but outside of him, it's very questionable, but I had low expectations for this season regardless. It's going to be a rough year, and really 2015 on is the time to look for anything significant.

[Jameerthefear]

:oldlol: Speaking of lower IQs, Bargnani and especially Jr Smith are disasters waiting to happen in that offense. I can see JR overdribbling and completely killing the flow then tossing up a a bad outside shot or trying to penetrate at the wrong time. I've liked Amare a lot since his first year with the Knicks, but I don't think it's a great offense for him. Then again, who knows with his greatly improved post game, but he'll have to get better at passing out of the post, and making quicker passes and decisions. Then again, I could also see Amare with some work potentially being pretty good on the weakside.

Personally, I don't think the roster as constructed is particularly good for the offense. I do think there's a good chance Melo can thrive in it, but outside of him, it's very questionable, but I had low expectations for this season regardless. It's going to be a rough year, and really 2015 on is the time to look for anything significant.
holy shit youre back

[ShaqAttack3234]

holy shit youre back

Yeah, I was initially gone because my account was accidentally deactivated last summer and wasn't reactivated until a few months ago. But now that's out of the way.

[AboutBuckets]

Yeah, I was initially gone because my account was accidentally deactivated last summer and wasn't reactivated until a few months ago. But now that's out of the way.

Your avy. Hell of a movie.

[Legends66NBA7]

:oldlol: Speaking of lower IQs, Bargnani and especially Jr Smith are disasters waiting to happen in that offense. I can see JR overdribbling and completely killing the flow then tossing up a a bad outside shot or trying to penetrate at the wrong time. I've liked Amare a lot since his first year with the Knicks, but I don't think it's a great offense for him. Then again, who knows with his greatly improved post game, but he'll have to get better at passing out of the post, and making quicker passes and decisions. Then again, I could also see Amare with some work potentially being pretty good on the weakside.

Personally, I don't think the roster as constructed is particularly good for the offense. I do think there's a good chance Melo can thrive in it, but outside of him, it's very questionable, but I had low expectations for this season regardless. It's going to be a rough year, and really 2015 on is the time to look for anything significant.

Calderon is another case of over dribbling. He tends to pound it way too much and doesn't penetrate worth a damn for his entire career. Although, he probably shouldn't be doing that in this offense.

Also, I think the defense (at least semblance) needs to be addressed if the Knicks can make anymore moves or trades. Emeka Okafor is still available and while he missed all of last season, he would be welcome upgrade at center, I would think.

[9erempiree]

I hope it works as I consider the Knicks as Lakers-East now. The problem is there are a bunch of boneheads on that team. Melo is cool because he is a vet and highly skilled.

The rest of the guys? Not too sure.

Who is on the roster as of today?

[ShaqAttack3234]

Calderon is another case of over dribbling. He tends to pound it way too much and doesn't penetrate worth a damn for his entire career. Although, he probably shouldn't be doing that in this offense.

Also, I think the defense (at least semblance) needs to be addressed if the Knicks can make anymore moves or trades. Emeka Okafor is still available and while he missed all of last season, he would be welcome upgrade at center, I would think.

Yeah, I was wondering about Calderon as well, but with Phil there, I'm going to be open-minded because he certainly knows what will work in the offense better than I will. And yeah, penetration from the point guard isn't a big issue. Fisher was never a good enough ball-handler for that and an awful finisher, but he worked in the offense, and Harper was doing fine as a former slasher in his mid 30's with bad knees. The ball is supposed to get inside, but with entries to the post and ball movement primarily.

Hey, we'll see what happens with Calderon. Maybe he's one of those veterans who can adjust, but maybe he's one of those guys like the veterans I mentioned earlier who just don't work out. It's not as important in this case because everyone knows making the playoffs will be the best case scenario, and this team making any sort of run in the East doesn't even seem like much of a possibility. So there is time to figure out who will work in the offense and who won't.

The defense was just horrible last year. Really no communicating and help and players regularly missing rotations. Part of it was personnel like Bargnani. I'm not sure I've seen a help defender with a lower IQ. Either that, or I've never seen a help defender who cares less. Probably both.

But yeah, there will need to be some upgrades made defensively for sure, but the reality is, this will be a flawed team for the upcoming season. It'll be about making whatever improvements are possible for the future without f*cking up cap space.


Your avy. Hell of a movie.

Yeah, one of my favorites.

[IGOTGAME]

Calderonw I'll pick up this offense easily. He plays using similar concepts in Spain. He isn't my fav player but I have no doubts he will be fine here.

[9erempiree]

Triangle also covers any defensive deficiencies a team may have by slowing down the game. You will see a huge outburst in points if everything is clicking. It is actually great to see a slow tempo offense score so many points. It is the opposite of what the Spurs run.

[Roundball_Rock]

...

Welcome back. :cheers:

[smoovegittar]

Whatever happens this year, I'm just glad they have direction... something that has been lacking since JVG coached the team.

[JellyBean]

If the Knicks are patient, this is a fun offense to run and Melo is going to have a lot of fun.

[Pointguard]

:oldlol: Speaking of lower IQs, Bargnani and especially Jr Smith are disasters waiting to happen in that offense. I can see JR overdribbling and completely killing the flow then tossing up a a bad outside shot or trying to penetrate at the wrong time. I've liked Amare a lot since his first year with the Knicks, but I don't think it's a great offense for him. Then again, who knows with his greatly improved post game, but he'll have to get better at passing out of the post, and making quicker passes and decisions. Then again, I could also see Amare with some work potentially being pretty good on the weakside.

Personally, I don't think the roster as constructed is particularly good for the offense. I do think there's a good chance Melo can thrive in it, but outside of him, it's very questionable, but I had low expectations for this season regardless. It's going to be a rough year, and really 2015 on is the time to look for anything significant.
I just don't see JR fitting in. He needs a father figure along with a psychiatrist and a private tutor for the triangle. And yes, Bargs is going to be bumping into other players. So true.

[el gringos]

? Carmelo, jr, and bargnani fit the system the best. What are you talking about

[played0ut]

KD would be so goddamn dominant from the Triangle... Give him Phil and a decent supporting cast and he's no doubt ending his career with 5-6 rings like Kobe/Jordan ended up with...

Just watching the Knicks already run an offense 10x more advanced than anything we've ever seen from Brooks in OKC has me pretty salty, I'm not going to lie.

Freaking iso era. :facepalm

I blame Jordan. He glamorized that shit and influenced the next generation of players. Ironic thing is that he was fundamentally sound in team ball too. Hell, he lamented his influence in the loss of fundamental team ball too. :oldlol:

At least team ball is coming back. Props to the spurs for being the front runners in that. :applause:

[Rameek]

:oldlol: Speaking of lower IQs, Bargnani and especially Jr Smith are disasters waiting to happen in that offense. I can see JR overdribbling and completely killing the flow then tossing up a a bad outside shot or trying to penetrate at the wrong time. I've liked Amare a lot since his first year with the Knicks, but I don't think it's a great offense for him. Then again, who knows with his greatly improved post game, but he'll have to get better at passing out of the post, and making quicker passes and decisions. Then again, I could also see Amare with some work potentially being pretty good on the weakside.

Personally, I don't think the roster as constructed is particularly good for the offense. I do think there's a good chance Melo can thrive in it, but outside of him, it's very questionable, but I had low expectations for this season regardless. It's going to be a rough year, and really 2015 on is the time to look for anything significant.
How is a roster that Zen put together considered bad for the triangle? There are only 4 players that might have some issues with the Triangle if they dont buy in or they're not smart enough... JR (low IQ), Melo (if he doesnt buy in), Bargs (low IQ), Shump (no offensive game). This doesnt make a complete roster and they will have time to practice it.

[ShaqAttack3234]

How is a roster that Zen put together considered bad for the triangle? There are only 4 players that might have some issues with the Triangle if they dont buy in or they're not smart enough... JR (low IQ), Melo (if he doesnt buy in), Bargs (low IQ), Shump (no offensive game). This doesnt make a complete roster and they will have time to practice it.

4 isn't that insignificant considering what will the main rotation be? 8-9 players? Plus, I wouldn't say those are the only 4 who might have problems. There's Amare and Dalembert as well. Remember, a couple of years ago, Phil reportedly wasn't high on Amare at all. I'm not saying any of these players will have problems except for JR and Bargnani who I'm pretty much assuming will, but they might.

Actually, Shump is interesting because depending on how much he learns from Fisher and playing in the triangle, he could be successful. Remember, Phil likes big, defensive-minded guards like Ron Harper and Brian Shaw, and Shumpert is definitely no worse offensively than they were under Phil. Actually, Shumpert has the potential to be better offensively based on 3 point shooting and athleticism.

[smoovegittar]

4 isn't that insignificant considering what will the main rotation be? 8-9 players? Plus, I wouldn't say those are the only 4 who might have problems. There's Amare and Dalembert as well. Remember, a couple of years ago, Phil reportedly wasn't high on Amare at all. I'm not saying any of these players will have problems except for JR and Bargnani who I'm pretty much assuming will, but they might.

Actually, Shump is interesting because depending on how much he learns from Fisher and playing in the triangle, he could be successful. Remember, Phil likes big, defensive-minded guards like Ron Harper and Brian Shaw, and Shumpert is definitely no worse offensively than they were under Phil. Actually, Shumpert has the potential to be better offensively based on 3 point shooting and athleticism.


I expect BIG things from Shump. New coach, second chances. Finally starting a season healthy. I like the kid; hope he doesn't prove me wrong.