My honest opinion on Stephen A, Donald S and J Collins

[kennethgriffin]

women, blacks, gays all need to wake up and realize it isnt 1960 anymore


no white man under the age of 60 cares about what your parents or grandparants went through.

things have been just fine for you these past multiple decades. quit complaining or acting like we owe you something

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,

white straight men can't be proud to be white, proud to be straight or proud to be men. if we show even the slightest bit of this we are labled supremisist/bigots/misogynist

we have to watch what we say or do. we have no freedom of speech, freedom of choice. if we anger blacks, females or homosexuals in any way we lose our job, our money, our freedom, our respect, our privacy and our life basically

i know what happened to steven A was a shock. because hes black.. and even the black community doesnt have that donald sterling type power over women

it goes

Women > Blacks > homosexuals > white straight guys

stephen A smiths only mistak was picking on the one sector of humanity that overpowers his kind

but still.. atleast hes not a white straight man like me. and hes lucky he didnt direct his comment towards a black female. because he would have gotten allot more than a week off work

[Jameerthefear]

lol

[fpliii]

Damn, griff went in.

[zoom17]

lol

[niko]

Your feelings don't stem from being white, they stem from being a douche.

[LoneyROY7]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Shit_cc3e1e_2093256.gif

[kennethgriffin]

i wish i could say this on first take as stephen A's replacement. then walk off the set and say "and i aint comin back tomorrow appologizing like some 2 faced bitch either"

[Real Men Wear Green]

Honestly, your opinions don't matter.

[LoneyROY7]

i wish i could say this on first take as stephen A's replacement. then walk off the set and say "and i aint comin back tomorrow appologizing like some 2 faced bitch either"

You don't need first take...all you need is youtube and a webcam.

The world awaits.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Sorry, you can't go back to the glory days of 1855. Invent a time machine.

Progress sucks, don't it?

[LoneyROY7]

honestly if someone gave me a choice in between reading your whole post or taking a nice clean wener in my mouth, i would take the nice clean wener in my mouth and not even complaint.

Define clean.

[Im so nba'd out]

women, blacks, gays all need to wake up and realize it isnt 1960 anymore


no white man under the age of 60 cares about what your parents or grandparants went through.

things have been just fine for you these past multiple decades. quit complaining or acting like we owe you something

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,

white straight men can't be proud to be white, proud to be straight or proud to be men. if we show even the slightest bit of this we are labled supremisist/bigots/misogynist

we have to watch what we say or do. we have no freedom of speech, freedom of choice. if we anger blacks, females or homosexuals in any way we lose our job, our money, our freedom, our respect, our privacy and our life basically

i know what happened to steven A was a shock. because hes black.. and even the black community doesnt have that donald sterling type power over women

it goes

Women > Blacks > homosexuals > white straight guys

stephen A smiths only mistak was picking on the one sector of humanity that overpowers his kind

but still.. atleast hes not a white straight man like me. and hes lucky he didnt direct his comment towards a black female. because he would have gotten allot more than a week off work
.................................http://s22.postimg.org/nsn7ftuq5/void0_12.gif

[kennethgriffin]

honestly if someone gave me a choice in between reading your whole post or taking a nice clean wener in my mouth, i would take the nice clean wener in my mouth and not even complaint.

you mean a weiner?


and go right the **** ahead stop thinking people give a shit about you being homosexual.

go hold another live broadcast with your gay lover making out live on air at the next nfl draft.. see if i care. we all know youre only doing it because you want a reaction

your gay pride parades are out dated too... suddenly being gay isnt so fun since it isnt taboo anymore huh?

imagine if half the gay community suddenly lost interest in same sex affairs because they found out nobody is shocked by it... maybe thats all being gay ever was about to people. who knows. maybe its like brazilian fart porn or some other randy marsh fetish


:confusedshrug:


all i know is stop thinking i give a damn..

[stalkerforlife]

women, blacks, gays all need to wake up and realize it isnt 1960 anymore


no white man under the age of 60 cares about what your parents or grandparants went through.

things have been just fine for you these past multiple decades. quit complaining or acting like we owe you something

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,

white straight men can't be proud to be white, proud to be straight or proud to be men. if we show even the slightest bit of this we are labled supremisist/bigots/misogynist

we have to watch what we say or do. we have no freedom of speech, freedom of choice. if we anger blacks, females or homosexuals in any way we lose our job, our money, our freedom, our respect, our privacy and our life basically

i know what happened to steven A was a shock. because hes black.. and even the black community doesnt have that donald sterling type power over women

it goes

Women > Blacks > homosexuals > white straight guys

stephen A smiths only mistak was picking on the one sector of humanity that overpowers his kind

but still.. atleast hes not a white straight man like me. and hes lucky he didnt direct his comment towards a black female. because he would have gotten allot more than a week off work

:applause:

[LoneyROY7]

dude. stop freaking out. i wasn't dissin you. i was just fishing for nice clean weiners. and i think i found one. check posts above. now let me carry on with my business and you can carry on with yours. best of luck.

:roll:

[ThePhantomCreep]

White straight males are roughly 30% of the US population, and own something like 90% of its wealth.

I should care about your "plight" because?

[kennethgriffin]

White straight males are roughly 30% of the US population, and own something like 90% of its wealth.

I should care about your "plight" because?

man you're refering to like 1% of those 30%

yeah ok i wouldn't mind so much having no freedom of speech and being labled if i had billions too.. but i and many others like me are no better off than anyone else.

[GimmeThat]

it would be a good time for you to smarten up and make friends with women/blacks/homosexuals now wouldn't it.

[zoom17]

OP does you have any black friends?

[Ca$H]

man you're refering to like 1% of those 30%

yeah ok i wouldn't mind so much having no freedom of speech and being labled if i had billions too.. but i and many others like me are no better off than anyone else.

So number one = lesbian obese black female?

[Droid101]

OP reminds me of this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/k4YS1.png

[CavaliersFTW]

You don't need first take...all you need is youtube and a webcam.

The world awaits.
:oldlol: :applause: :applause: :applause:

do not disappoint us Griff.. do it. Put your real life voice, face and name behind that opinion :cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

OP does you have any black friends?

yeah around 5 out of 20 of my good friends im around most are black


1 of them is gay. and 5 are women


and would it matter if i didnt have any black friends? or female friends not involved in sexual activity or didnt have a gay friend. then what? should i feel bad? why?

should i feel sorry for people and go out of my way to give them special treatment and cut out a few white people from social gatherings to make room for other types of people? is that mandatory or else i should be labled?

exactly my point

you would never think such things if it was an entire group of females or an entire group of blacks or an entire group of gay people... then everythings fine and dandy hmmmmmmmm


typical

[kennethgriffin]

OP reminds me of this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/k4YS1.png


and you remind me of some dude from the stone age. man i don't care about the past. i wasnt around for slavery or civil rights movements. i wasnt around for the feminist movement. i wasnt around for the first people coming out of the closet

i don't care man. honestly... today we live in the most acceptence/caring/social/mixing generation in human history... we've made more progress in the last 50 years than humans made in 100,000 years before that combined


give us a bit of credit. let us stop feeling like pieces of sh*t for being born a certain way

isnt all these movements about equality. well i dont see equality in the sterling situation. i dont see equality in the stephen A situation.

[9erempiree]

I agree with everything from the OP.

:cheers:

[Bodhi]

I reported this but posts like this limit my ability to interact on this forum

[Droid101]

isnt all these movements about equality. well i dont see equality in the sterling situation. i dont see equality in the stephen A situation.
Two very public corporations took action on their members/employees? Where does the word "equality" even come into the equation?

Two companies saw potential hits on their bottom lines, and took action. Don't like it? Talk to their CEO's or Boards of Directors.

[jstern]

I always LOL whenever I see a white person wasting their life complaining every single day about how great the African Americans have it. It's every day on the internet, the bitching and complaining. Just live your life and stop being so angry. And it's typically only poor whites, because they're very self conscious about having a lesser income than the average black.

These white, which are some not the entire white race, they truly have that stereotypical black person personality of always complaining about the man keeping a brother down. It's a personality that I saw a lot in some blacks, but omg, when I started reading comments on the intern like around 2007, it turned out that so many, many bitter whites fit that personality perfectly.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Damn I wanna live where you like where blacks have more power and are more free than whites! Just to try it out for a bit.

[kennethgriffin]

Damn I wanna live where you like where blacks have more power and are more free than whites! Just to try it out for a bit.


larry johnson ( a member of the knicks ) said during the whole sterling mess "i dont think whites should be in our league. black people should have their own league"

not a peep was heard in retaliation


black people are protected. only people they can't take advantage of are females... then you end up suspended for a week


a few protestors took down a multi billion dollar business owner for having a private opinion

thats power

[Myth]

women, blacks, gays all need to wake up and realize it isnt 1960 anymore


no white man under the age of 60 cares about what your parents or grandparants went through.

things have been just fine for you these past multiple decades. quit complaining or acting like we owe you something

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,

white straight men can't be proud to be white, proud to be straight or proud to be men. if we show even the slightest bit of this we are labled supremisist/bigots/misogynist

we have to watch what we say or do. we have no freedom of speech, freedom of choice. if we anger blacks, females or homosexuals in any way we lose our job, our money, our freedom, our respect, our privacy and our life basically

i know what happened to steven A was a shock. because hes black.. and even the black community doesnt have that donald sterling type power over women

it goes

Women > Blacks > homosexuals > white straight guys

stephen A smiths only mistak was picking on the one sector of humanity that overpowers his kind

but still.. atleast hes not a white straight man like me. and hes lucky he didnt direct his comment towards a black female. because he would have gotten allot more than a week off work

I see your opinion on Stephen A, but where is the part about Donald Sterling and Jason Collins? :confusedshrug:

[rhowen4]

you really do have a warped sense of reality

i'm not saying all of your thinking is flawed though

[oarabbus]

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,




Except for "more guilt" :roll: :roll: :roll:


you really do have a warped sense of reality

i'm not saying all of your thinking is flawed though


This is true though. OP makes some interesting good points wrapped up in some laughable white self-pity. Woe is the plight of the straight, white man in America.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

might be your best post ever...except from the tony dungy situation id put homosexuals above blacks

[RRR3]

OP reminds me of this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/k4YS1.png
:roll: :applause:
So true

[tomtucker]

OP reminds me of this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/k4YS1.png
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/mysticism/World_religions_pie_chart.png

[Im Still Ballin]

And if you care about any of this you're a beta.

[talkingconch]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mddk7CwwhbY/Um9uqiX-OZI/AAAAAAAAOh0/ew3DCcen_vU/s1600/Doc-Rivers.gif

[Psileas]

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/mysticism/World_religions_pie_chart.png

Also: A group being oppressed has nothing to do with its size (on the contrary, oppressors are routinely way less than the oppressed) - and last time I checked, white women are as many as white men, and most white men's social power is not one iota above the social power of most white women's.

[masonanddixon]

Honestly, your opinions don't matter.

Who the hell are you to tell him that?

[NumberSix]

White straight males are roughly 30% of the US population, and own something like 90% of its wealth.

I should care about your "plight" because?
And blacks men are only 6% of the population and make up like 80% of the NBA. I don't assume it's some kind of conspiracy. I recognize the reality that this particular group of people is just generally better at the particular thing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who the hell are you to tell him that?
Honestly, your opinions don't matter.

[ralph_i_el]

honestly if someone gave me a choice in between reading your whole post or taking a nice clean wener in my mouth, i would take the nice clean wener in my mouth and not even complaint.
All your posts either talk about you being a soldier or talk about you sucking *****.

Makes sense

There's a basic level of respect that I maintain for all people. It's frustrating when you have to treat people differently because they're part of a "protected" group. It's also frustrating when your race/sex is constantly used as a punching bag online and in the media, and no one cares.

Racism and sexism disgust me. What disgusts me more are people who don't understand that racism and sexism go both ways.

[niko]

larry johnson ( a member of the knicks ) said during the whole sterling mess "i dont think whites should be in our league. black people should have their own league"

not a peep was heard in retaliation


black people are protected. only people they can't take advantage of are females... then you end up suspended for a week


a few protestors took down a multi billion dollar business owner for having a private opinion

thats power

Larry Johnson doesn't own the Knicks. And he was scolded and told to shut up. Note: Have you hear or seen him do anything from the Knicks since then? The Knicks not only issued a public rebuke, if you know anything about Dolan and how much he loves people talking to the media, you'll probably never hear LJ again.

Don't use my Knicks as an example of anything if you aren't going to actually research bitch. Yeah i called you a bitch. I can because im a minority and you're a white guy. :lol

[boozehound]

Your feelings don't stem from being white, they stem from being a douche.
this.:violin:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Then let me ask you this, would you rather be one of those three since they have an advantage over you, the poor straight white man? If the answer is no, which I'm 110% sure it is, then you are full of shit.

[MostHated305]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mddk7CwwhbY/Um9uqiX-OZI/AAAAAAAAOh0/ew3DCcen_vU/s1600/Doc-Rivers.gif


This is my face right now reading this nonsense.

[tpols]

Larry Johnson doesn't own the Knicks. And he was scolded and told to shut up. Note: Have you hear or seen him do anything from the Knicks since then? The Knicks not only issued a public rebuke, if you know anything about Dolan and how much he loves people talking to the media, you'll probably never hear LJ again.

Don't use my Knicks as an example of anything if you aren't going to actually research bitch. Yeah i called you a bitch. I can because im a minority and you're a white guy. :lol

:lol

If Sterling had just been an assistant manager and his same words recorded, and his players and coaches heard it, they would dump him immediately.

Why isnt Bargnani or Calderon threatening to boycott games for johnson?? Or not even giving one shit about it lol.

[niko]

:lol

If Sterling had just been an assistant manager and his same words recorded, and his players and coaches heard it, they would dump him immediately.

Why isnt Bargnani or Calderon threatening to boycott games for johnson?? Or not even giving one shit about it lol.
It's not remotely the same . Feel free to discuss that on your own, makes zero sense.

[ImKobe]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mddk7CwwhbY/Um9uqiX-OZI/AAAAAAAAOh0/ew3DCcen_vU/s1600/Doc-Rivers.gif
:roll:

[tpols]

It's not remotely the same . Feel free to discuss that on your own, makes zero sense.

It really is though.. no white employee of any nba team could say he wanted a league w/ only whites allowed and keep his job.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I lost a ton of respect for LJ after those comments. Guy sounds like a KKK member. :oldlol:

[Take Your Lumps]

A 30 year-old straight white male living in America.

I'm sorry, things must be so hard for you.

[ThePhantomCreep]

And blacks men are only 6% of the population and make up like 80% of the NBA. I don't assume it's some kind of conspiracy. I recognize the reality that this particular group of people is just generally better at the particular thing.

So whites are inherently better at making money, like blacks are better at basketball? The centuries of oppressive polices against AAs had nothing to do with it with the income/education/incarceration disparity we see today?

Next you're going to tell me the playing field became even the second LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Have fun with that delusion.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:lol

If Sterling had just been an assistant manager and his same words recorded, and his players and coaches heard it, they would dump him immediately.

Why isnt Bargnani or Calderon threatening to boycott games for johnson?? Or not even giving one shit about it lol.

You'll have to ask them. I personally would have fired his ass, but that's just me.

Regardless, even if we buy the theory that minorities are given more leeway with regard to making racially insensitive comments (Zeke and Rodman might disagree though) it hardly makes the white straight male oppressed in America. Not when evidence suggests they start the rat race 10 laps ahead of everyone else.

[niko]

It really is though.. no white employee of any nba team could say he wanted a league w/ only whites allowed and keep his job.
It's not remotely the same. First whites oppressed blacks, not the opposite. Which is why the double standard on comments. And most importantly, Donald Sterling is a business partner of the NBA, and because of this he killed his value as a partner, and they got rid of him.

Larry Johnson is a pimple on the Knicks ass who most people aren't even aware works there, and his comments carried no weight, and no one cared. And since then he's basically been removed from his role, minor as it was.

BTW, Donald Sterling wasn't fired for the comments at all. He was removed as a partner. Which is logical. Because he was no longer a good partner. NBA paints it like they are this white knight but primarily this was a financial decision. Period.

If we are partners, and i do something stupid that doesn't allow you to make money anymore, do you keep me if you have any way of getting rid of me? Or get rid of me and go back to making money.

People need to stop talking about people getting fired, or freedom of speech, etc. Sterling was a business partner who did something to harm the business. Nothing more.

[NumberSix]

So whites are inherently better at making money, like blacks are better at basketball? The centuries of oppressive polices against AAs had nothing to do with it with the income/education/incarceration disparity we see today?

Next you're going to tell me the playing field became even the second LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Have fun with that delusion.
It depends what you mean by an "even playing field". There's really no such thing.

[NumberSix]

It's not remotely the same. First whites oppressed blacks, not the opposite.
What does that have to do with anything?

[niko]

What does that have to do with anything?

Are you honestly that stupid?

[tpols]

It's not remotely the same. First whites oppressed blacks, not the opposite. Which is why the double standard on comments. And most importantly, Donald Sterling is a business partner of the NBA, and because of this he killed his value as a partner, and they got rid of him.


People need to stop talking about people getting fired, or freedom of speech, etc. Sterling was a business partner who did something to harm the business. Nothing more.

Im aware that there are reasons for why the doubole standard exists. I was just noting that it does exist(some try to deny it entirely).


I also get that sterling got axed because he hurt the overall nba brand/business with his comments.. but once again if he had been a black owner and said something similar about white people.. there wouldnt have been nearly as much damage to the 'business' solely because of the double standard that exists.

[NumberSix]

Are you honestly that stupid?
So, because blacks were oppressed before, they have free rein to be as racist as they want forever? That's the rule?

If not forever, then what's the expiration date? What year does the "blacks are allowed to be racist" card run out?

[ThePhantomCreep]

So, because blacks were oppressed before, they have free rein to be as racist as they want forever? That's the rule?

If not forever, then what's the expiration date? What year does the "blacks are allowed to be racist" card run out?

Black people can't be racist. Racism is different from prejudice or discrimination. All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. All humans do not have the power to institutionalize their prejudicial attitudes into laws and structures that favor one race over the other. This is the heart of racism.

When whites make racist/bigoted comments, there's a looooong history of violent inhumane oppression behind them, still fresh in a lot of people's minds, and that's why the public at large finds them so unpalatable.

[tpols]

Black people can't be racist. Racism is different from prejudice or discrimination. All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. All humans do not have the power to institutionalize their prejudicial attitudes into laws and structures that favor one race over the other. This is the heart of racism.

:facepalm

Racism doesnt have to be acted out for it to exist.. it is simply the belief that your own race is supeior to another and/or all others. If a black man believes his people are the true first descedents of the human species and thus the most pure or something leading to a thinking that his people are inherently better than others.. he's a racist. Doesnt matter if he does nothing about it.. its a way of thinking.

[Kblaze8855]

The idea that white males are oppressed in America is arguably the most absurd ive ever seen on ISH.

[ralph_i_el]

It's not remotely the same. First whites oppressed blacks

My ancestors came from the Scottish Highlands after WW1. I don't know how many blacks they were oppressing out there.

[steve]

Im aware that there are reasons for why the doubole standard exists. I was just noting that it does exist(some try to deny it entirely).


I also get that sterling got axed because he hurt the overall nba brand/business with his comments.. but once again if he had been a black owner and said something similar about white people.. there wouldnt have been nearly as much damage to the 'business' solely because of the double standard that exists.

Although there's a reason why that last part is purely a hypothetical.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Black people can't be racist. Racism is different from prejudice or discrimination. All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. All humans do not have the power to institutionalize their prejudicial attitudes into laws and structures that favor one race over the other. This is the heart of racism.

When whites make racist/bigoted comments, there's a looooong history of violent inhumane oppression behind them, still fresh in a lot of people's minds, and that's why the public at large finds them so unpalatable.

You're joking right? So you are saying that individual racism doesn't exist? The obvious problem with your logic is that you obviously believe the so-called black man is only statistically more likely to be a "felon" because somehow he is subjugated to that lifestyle from birth by oppression that is primarily forthcoming from the white race.

Does the idea that everyone has the power to discriminate on the basis of race completely elude you?

[moe94]

The idea that white males are oppressed in America is arguably the most absurd ive ever seen on ISH.

Visit 4chan :oldlol:

[ThePhantomCreep]

The idea that white males are oppressed in America is arguably the most absurd ive ever seen on ISH.

According to a new report on discipline in our public schools, black children make up 18 percent of preschoolers, but make up nearly half of all out-of-school suspensions. (We're talking mostly four-year-olds, people). Kids who are suspended or expelled from school are more likely to drop out, and those dropouts are more likely to end up with criminal records.

This is a horrible burden to saddle a 4 year old with BUT...Larry Johnson can get away with making bigoted comments and Donald Sterling can't. The poor oppressed white American male! Boo woo!

[Orlando Magic]

The idea that white males are oppressed in America is arguably the most absurd ive ever seen on ISH.

Nah. Anyone claiming Kobe is top 5 all time is even worse.

No, but seriously... oppressed is without a doubt the wrong word.

Here's what I would say...

White males are still predominantly the ones in power throughout businesses and the government.

And black males are still predominantly the ones getting sent to jail (though this could potentially be argued as a financial state thus certain actions as opposed to just a race one) but...




White males are made to feel more guilty, by the media and thus society as a whole, than any other race/gender combo presently.

White males are offered the least amount of financial assistance when trying to get through school.

While males are no where near being oppressed right now but give it 50-100 years and I wouldn't be shocked.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You're joking right? So you are saying that individual racism doesn't exist? The obvious problem with your logic is that you obviously believe the so-called black man is only statistically more likely to be a "felon" because somehow he is subjugated to that lifestyle from birth by oppression that is primarily forthcoming from the white race.

Does the idea that everyone has the power to discriminate on the basis of race completely elude you?

Does anyone read anymore?

All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. I wrote that.

I should clarify though, I'm talking about institutional racism (slavery, Jim Crows, etc, redlining which still exits today). Blacks in this country have never had the power to oppress another race in the same manner in which they were oppressed. Sorry, Larry Johnson's comments aren't an example of this. They're an example of his personal bigotry.

[Kblaze8855]

White males are the media making white males feel guilty.....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Does anyone read anymore?

All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. I wrote that.

I should clarify though, I'm talking about institutional racism (slavery, Jim Crows, etc, redlining which still exits today). Blacks in this country have never had the power to oppress another race in the same manner in which they were oppressed. Sorry, Larry Johnson's comments aren't an example of this. They're an example of his personal bigotry.

[quote]rac

[NumberSix]

According to a new report on discipline in our public schools, black children make up 18 percent of preschoolers, but make up nearly half of all out-of-school suspensions. (We're talking mostly four-year-olds, people). Kids who are suspended or expelled from school are more likely to drop out, and those dropouts are more likely to end up with criminal records.

This is a horrible burden to saddle a 4 year old with BUT...Larry Johnson can get away with making bigoted comments and Donald Sterling can't. The poor oppressed white American male! Boo woo!
Why do you assume that this isn't completely appropriate? Maybe black kids behave worse than other kids. What should you do? Not punish them for the sake of making statistics look "equal"?

Black children also disproportionately come from broken homes. Is it really shocking that kids who are disproportionately from single parent, lower income broken homes would have behavioural problems more than other kids?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Help me out here, ISH :confusedshrug:

institutional racism
Web definitions
Institutional racism describes any kind of system of inequality based on race. It can occur in institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations, and universities.


What I was referring to.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Why do you assume that this isn't completely appropriate? Maybe black kids behave worse than other kids. What should you do? Not punish them for the sake of making statistics look "equal"?

Black children also disproportionately come from broken homes. Is it really shocking that kids who are disproportionately from single parent, lower income broken homes would have behavioural problems more than other kids?

Gee, I dunno. Maybe because I've skimmed through this.

http://patricktreardon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/zinn-peoples-history.jpg

Yes, suspending four-year old black children at a far higher rate is completely appropriate. GTHOH. They're f**king four.

[NumberSix]

Gee, I dunno. Maybe because I've skimmed through this.

http://patricktreardon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/zinn-peoples-history.jpg

Yes, suspending four-year old black children at a far higher rate is completely appropriate. GTHOH. They're f**king four.
Then why aren't you arguing that NO four year olds should be suspended?

[NumberSix]

institutional racism
Web definitions
Institutional racism describes any kind of system of inequality based on race. It can occur in institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations, and universities.


What I was referring to.
The word "racism" is intentionally ambiguous. In reality, it doesn't mean anything.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Then why aren't you arguing that NO four year olds should be suspended?

Because in some case it's warranted? I don't buy the disparity though. We're talking about children that are barely past the toddler stage.

Another variation on the same theme:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. In its report, the commission recommended that federal judges give sentencing guidelines more weight, and that appeals courts more closely scrutinize sentences that fall beyond them (Translation: stop giving blacks harsher sentences for the same crime).


But...the OP might catch more flak for making racist statements than minorities. He's being held back, poor dear!

[NumberSix]

Because in some case it's warranted? I don't buy the disparity though. We're talking about children that are barely past the toddler stage.

Another variation on the same theme:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. In its report, the commission recommended that federal judges give sentencing guidelines more weight, and that appeals courts more closely scrutinize sentences that fall beyond them (Translation: stop giving blacks harsher sentences for the same crime).


But...the OP might catch more flak for making racist statements than minorities. He's being held back, poor dear!
I thought racism can only be structural? What the hell is a "racist statement"?


And, the 20% longer sentences for "similar crimes" is purposely deceptive. No mention of things like blacks being repeat offenders more often than others. Of course a repeat offender will get a longer sentence than a first timer.

[ralph_i_el]

Because in some case it's warranted? I don't buy the disparity though. We're talking about children that are barely past the toddler stage.

Another variation on the same theme:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. In its report, the commission recommended that federal judges give sentencing guidelines more weight, and that appeals courts more closely scrutinize sentences that fall beyond them (Translation: stop giving blacks harsher sentences for the same crime).


But...the OP might catch more flak for making racist statements than minorities. He's being held back, poor dear!

Institutional racism is real, but that specific disparity can be attributed to more African Americans being repeat offenders (although the previous offenses could be attributed to institutional racism)

[NumberSix]

Institutional racism is real, but that specific disparity can be attributed to more African Americans being repeat offenders (although the previous offenses could be attributed to institutional racism)
Yes, because the government is out there framing blacks for crimes so when they do commit real offenses, they can put them away longer for being repeaters.

[ralph_i_el]

Yes, because the government is out there framing blacks for crimes so when they do commit real offenses, they can put them away longer for being repeaters.

Nah but there's stuff like stop and frisk where they only frisk minorities. I know plenty of white dudes who walk around with weed in their pocket who will never be frisked.

[97 bulls]

I thought racism can only be structural? What the hell is a "racist statement"?


And, the 20% longer sentences for "similar crimes" is purposely deceptive. No mention of things like blacks being repeat offenders more often than others. Of course a repeat offender will get a longer sentence than a first timer.
And why is this? Because blacks are also disproportionately sought after by the police. Why are blacks ARRESTED (not yet charged) with marijuana possession more than blacks? Whites dont do drugs as much? Not true. Whites do drugs more than blacks.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3941346/

[97 bulls]

Yes, because the government is out there framing blacks for crimes so when they do commit real offenses, they can put them away longer for being repeaters.
Lol. And if you know this, why continue to spout such nonsense?

[NumberSix]

And why is this? Because blacks are also disproportionately sought after by the police. Why are blacks ARRESTED (not yet charged) with marijuana possession more than blacks? Whites dont do drugs as much? Not true. Whites do drugs more than blacks.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3941346/
Wow. Police focus more attention on people who are statistically 15x more likely to commit violent crimes? That's weird.

[Hey Yo]

Stupid A. taking his radio show to Serius XM so he can talk more freely about blaming women for getting KTFO and bring the white man down.

[inclinerator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miO8DPjSf78

[ThePhantomCreep]

Wow. Police focus more attention on people who are statistically 15x more likely to commit violent crimes? That's weird.


Wouldn't see the vicious cycle if it sat on his face.

[Soundwave]

This makes me recall this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M

Equality ... yeah right. :lol

[kennethgriffin]

This makes me recall this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M

Equality ... yeah right. :lol



nobody cared because they assumed he was stealing another white straight mans bike

now re do the video and have him rob a woman in broad daylight. or bash gays or scream white power... then see what happens lol

[Laker4Lyfe]

Honestly, your opinions don't matter.



:applause::cheers:

[Laker4Lyfe]

nobody cared because they assumed he was stealing another white straight mans bike

now re do the video and have him rob a woman in broad daylight. or bash gays or scream white power... then see what happens lol

Well they sure seemed to care when the black guy was stealing the white straight mans bike. :facepalm

[niko]

nobody cared because they assumed he was stealing another white straight mans bike

now re do the video and have him rob a woman in broad daylight. or bash gays or scream white power... then see what happens lol
So now you want to run around screaming white power and bash gays?

[kennethgriffin]

Well they sure seemed to care when the black guy was stealing the white straight mans bike. :facepalm

yeah everyones racist. the white people didnt care a white guy was stealing


same thing if they filmed a black guy stealing something in a place filled with black people...

i doubt anyone in the black community would bother a fellow brother doing his thing



i'm not denying equal public racism. the problem with society is mainstream racism in the media




then white people have to back down in fear of backlash or repercussion


but blacks, women, gays can freely keep being biased, racist, descriminating towards white straight men... even when the worlds watching because they know nothing will happen to them


but like i said about stephan A.. he should know when to draw the line.. women are above everyone. theyre invincible

[Laker4Lyfe]

yeah everyones racist. the white people didnt care a white guy was stealing


same thing if they filmed a black guy stealing something in a place filled with black people...

i doubt anyone in the black community would bother a fellow brother doing his thing



i'm not denying equal public racism. the problem with society is mainstream racism in the media




then white people have to back down in fear of backlash or repercussion


but blacks, women, gays can freely keep being biased, racist, descriminating towards white straight men... even when the worlds watching because they know nothing will happen to them


but like i said about stephan A.. he should know when to draw the line.. women are above everyone. theyre invincible


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[kennethgriffin]

So now you want to run around screaming white power and bash gays?

no.. i'm against all racism, discrimination, gay bashing

i just want the same repercussions for those people bashing whites, men, straights publically


if a black guy screams "KILL WHITEY" ... nothing will happen

if a woman screams "**** MEN" ... nothing will happen

if a gay guy screams "GAY PRIDE!" ... nothing will happen


but if a white man screams anything negative about them. or positive about themselves... then it becomes a sh*t storm. social media backlash. crucifixion

[kennethgriffin]

imagine if there was a parade for being white


imagine if there was a parade for being straight


imagine if there was a parade for being a man


well theres feminst parades, black parades, gay parades... they can be proud of who they are



straight white men have to feel ashamed of themselves

:facepalm

[Soundwave]

imagine if there was a parade for being white


imagine if there was a parade for being straight


imagine if there was a parade for being a man


well theres feminst parades, black parades, gay parades... they can be proud of who they are



straight white men have to feel ashamed of themselves

:facepalm

I'm a straight white guy, why would I even want to go to such a parade?

If other people want to have a pride parade for something, good for them, I don't have a problem with it.

I have black friends and quite honestly I'd never trade places with them, just because any time they walk into a room they have to basically go out of their way to show their well-mannered, well-spoken, etc. I've had black friends turned down at nightclubs for no reason other than being black whereas I got in no problem.

I've had black friends harassed by police officers for doing the same things I've done and I got no grief from police for them at all.

Being a white male still has many advantages, I don't buy the "oppressed" white male thing at all.

The actual most powerful position by ethnicity/gender I'd say is a good looking white woman (unless she is running/trying for some kind of leadership position). She can basically get away with whatever she wants, lol. Next would be the standard white guy. Then good looking Asian girl. Then good looking Latino woman. Then and large gap to average Asian guy.

White guy's still have it pretty good, lets get real.

[wakencdukest]

imagine if there was a parade for being white


imagine if there was a parade for being straight


imagine if there was a parade for being a man


well theres feminst parades, black parades, gay parades... they can be proud of who they are



straight white men have to feel ashamed of themselves

:facepalm







So, let them be proud and announce it to the world, they want to be noticed, that's what they need. Us white guys have nothing to be ashamed of. We can be proud without announcing it to the world. The way you carry yourself says it all.

[jstern]

This makes me recall this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M

Equality ... yeah right. :lol

This video is great, it really shows how people react to others. Not with fairness or what

[wally_world]

poor execution, but the man is right

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This makes me recall this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M

Equality ... yeah right. :lol

lol @ "both actors dress in a similar way"

The black kid was sagging his pants to the floor, wearing clothes 2x his normal size. I'm not saying racial profiling doesn't exist, but this is nothing more than silly propaganda from ABC.

[ShackEelOKneel]

imagine if there was a parade for being white


imagine if there was a parade for being straight


imagine if there was a parade for being a man


well theres feminst parades, black parades, gay parades... they can be proud of who they are



straight white men have to feel ashamed of themselves

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[tpols]

imagine if there was a parade for being white


imagine if there was a parade for being straight


imagine if there was a parade for being a man


well theres feminst parades, black parades, gay parades... they can be proud of who they are



straight white men have to feel ashamed of themselves

:facepalm

It's like black history month.. we dont have a whites history month, thats every other month.:lol because its the status quo. White males are the status quo.. other groups are just trying to raise themselves up since they make up a much smaller minority.

[NumberSix]

It's like black history month.. we dont have a whites history month, thats every other month.:lol because its the status quo. White males are the status quo.. other groups are just trying to raise themselves up since they make up a much smaller minority.
Black history month is honestly pretty bad. All they talk about is peanuts and bus seats. They don't even do it any justice.

[AceManIII]

To be young, gifted, and white :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

Great post griff, repped

[niko]

White people complaining about not having parades and shit. Are we serious? Try getting your face held against a police car with an officer waving a gun to scare you because you are too puerto rican and are hanging out with a pretty girl at night. This is the kind of shit that happened to me. You're either really just self centered or stupid to think that white people are this oppressed minority.

[NumberSix]

White people complaining about not having parades and shit. Are we serious? Try getting your face held against a police car with an officer waving a gun to scare you because you are too puerto rican and are hanging out with a pretty girl at night. This is the kind of shit that happened to me. You're either really just self centered or stupid to think that white people are this oppressed minority.
Nobody said whites in America are minorities. But, this idea that whites shouldn't show displays of pride out of fear that some non-whites might feel not included or some leftist white douche may CHOOSE to fake being "offended" is completely absurd.

Me personally, I don't really get why anyone would have "white pride". White people aren't 1 uniform group of people. If you have like Irish pride or Polish pride or something, I get that. However, it's not for me to tell people what they should or should not value. If somebody is proud of being generally European/white, I don't see why people feel the need to get outraged about that.

[ralph_i_el]

Nobody said whites in America are minorities. But, this idea that whites shouldn't show displays of pride out of fear that some non-whites might feel not included or some leftist white douche may CHOOSE to fake being "offended" is completely absurd.

Me personally, I don't really get why anyone would have "white pride". White people aren't 1 uniform group of people. If you have like Irish pride or Polish pride or something, I get that. However, it's not for me to tell people what they should or should not value. If somebody is proud of being generally European/white, I don't see why people feel the need to get outraged about that.

We do kinda have pride parades for different European nationalities.

Its all about respect IMO. You have to have a minimum level of respect for any type of person, because we are all humans. The problem for me is when women/minorities/lgbt folks think they can just blatantly disrespect me because I'm a white guy. They seem to get some sick satisfaction from it. I've LIVED with homosexuals, African Americans, Asians, and Hispanic folks. We are all just people. From what Ive seen, every demographic has the same percentage of angry bigots who hate those who are different.

Institutional racism IS a problem because European Americans have traditionally held the most power in America, so our % of angry bigots have had an easier time imposing their sick views.

There is a way to fix that, and it doesn't involve losing your shit everytime a white person or a man says or does something "offensive".

Back to Stephan A though and the whole issue of men hitting women. Can you honestly not think of a situation where a man would be justified in hitting a woman? If we're all equal, what's the difference between punching a man and punching a woman? I've never hit a woman, but I've also never hit a man without being hit first. If some woman grabbed a frying pan and started swinging you bet your ass I'm going to defend myself.

That being said, the use of force to impose ones will is generally wrong. Don't answer words with fists. Unless you're really facing a threat, violence doesn't seem very honorable to me.

[jstern]

lol @ "both actors dress in a similar way"

The black kid was sagging his pants to the floor, wearing clothes 2x his normal size. I'm not saying racial profiling doesn't exist, but this is nothing more than silly propaganda from ABC.

So you're dismissing the whole video as propaganda because the black kid was sagging a little more. The reaction of the people can all be dismissed because the kid's clothes was sligtly bigger, not 2x bigger, so it's all an ABC conspiracy now. If the kid was wearing tight clothes they would have not even looked at him and walked by.

This it that annoying type of thinking that I constantly see, of "It's all a conspiracy, and propaganda." The other one that I see a lot on the internet is that the powers to be just I guess absolutely love the blacks and the gays, so they're doing everything in their power to make life as easy as possible for them.

It's all a conspiracy. The whites at ABC really want you to be in love and adore black people, but these people that scream conspiracy and complain about blacks every single day of their lives are so clever they see right through it.

[niko]

Nobody said whites in America are minorities. But, this idea that whites shouldn't show displays of pride out of fear that some non-whites might feel not included or some leftist white douche may CHOOSE to fake being "offended" is completely absurd.

Me personally, I don't really get why anyone would have "white pride". White people aren't 1 uniform group of people. If you have like Irish pride or Polish pride or something, I get that. However, it's not for me to tell people what they should or should not value. If somebody is proud of being generally European/white, I don't see why people feel the need to get outraged about that.
I don't have outrage. i have feelings of pity for anyone who thinks that whites don't have chances to do these things or that whites somehow are lacking basic rights.

Basically whites (especially men) have always been free to do 99% of everything, but the 1% (which is basically worthless, being less politically correct on tv) is something you need. Serious?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So you're dismissing the whole video as propaganda because the black kid was sagging a little more.

Not a little more, a lot more. Your presentation matters.


If the kid was wearing tight clothes they would have not even looked at him and walked by.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I don't know what would happen, but I'd venture to say the kid would have gotten similar looks the "white guy" did.


This it that annoying type of thinking that I constantly see, of "It's all a conspiracy, and propaganda." The other one that I see a lot on the internet is that the powers to be just I guess absolutely love the blacks and the gays, so they're doing everything in their power to make life as easy as possible for them.

I never insinuated the media loves "blacks". However, I do think the media and "powers to be" intentionally use stuff like this to divide society and take our attention away from issues that REALLY matter.


It's all a conspiracy. The whites at ABC really want you to be in love and adore black people, but these people that scream conspiracy and complain about blacks every single day of their lives are so clever they see right through it.

You're rambling about God knows what.

[NumberSix]

I don't have outrage. i have feelings of pity for anyone who thinks that whites don't have chances to do these things or that whites somehow are lacking basic rights.
In many places in America, whites are the only people who are not protected by any "hate crime" or discrimination laws. You thinks that is perfectly reasonable?

Nobody is saying "whites have it the worst". It's not a competition for who is the biggest victim. To act like whites have exactly 0 issues of concern though is mind boggling.

Should white citizens not be just as protected as anyone else? Are whites supposed just accept the fact that it's not a "hate crime" if the victim is white and it's not discrimination if the person being discriminated is white? You act as if whites are being utterly unreasonable to ask that the laws protect them as much as other people.

[mehyaM24]

can someone please tell me where to find this "white privilege" thing?

im white (skin color), barley making it by, my white wife is unemployed, child support is killing me(and I pay it *gasp*)

i have not had a raise in 4 years, rent in my "white" neighborhood is skyrocketing... I mean seriously! where do I cash this "white" privilege thing in doctor? Doctor...:confusedshrug:

[jstern]

I just went to a right wing website and saw a sticky thread that perfectly shows the personality that I

[NuggetsFan]

can someone please tell me where to find this "white privilege" thing?

im white (skin color), barley making it by, my white wife is unemployed, child support is killing me(and I pay it *gasp*)

i have not had a raise in 4 years, rent in my "white" neighborhood is skyrocketing... I mean seriously! where do I cash this "white" privilege thing in doctor? Doctor...:confusedshrug:

It's 2014. There's always been poor white people but there's probably more nowadays as the world continues to change. People like Niko that think 99% of white people can do whatever are idiots.

That being said as a white person I'll never complain. Louis CK said it best :lol only thing that I have to add is alot of people currently living in this generation probably couldn't have survived what there grandfather and his dad had to. World has improved so much in that area and we blow things up that happen today that would have been whatever back than. Could you imagine the overly PC people who upset and used reverse racism in the 50's? You would have my sympathy for sure. Happy you live in '14 :rockon:

[97 bulls]

Don't put words in my mouth.*

I don't know what would happen, but I'd venture to say the kid would have gotten similar looks the "white guy" did.*
Oh save it. The kid didnt get approached based on how he was dressed, he was approached based on him attempting to saw that bike chain and take the bike.

This is one of the reasons why we can never find a common ground. People like you just can't be honest.

And even if they did go after the black kid only because of what he was wearing, thats profiling. Thats exactly how Trayvon Martin was killed.

[NumberSix]

can someone please tell me where to find this "white privilege" thing?

im white (skin color), barley making it by, my white wife is unemployed, child support is killing me(and I pay it *gasp*)

i have not had a raise in 4 years, rent in my "white" neighborhood is skyrocketing... I mean seriously! where do I cash this "white" privilege thing in doctor? Doctor...:confusedshrug:
The whole "privilege" thing is a communist ideology to justify requiring a centralized government agency to police how everyone is treated to ensure everyone is "equal".

It's typical of Marxist language in that it's purposely vague and has no real defined meaning so you can pretty much throw it around whenever you feel like it to justify irrational opinions.

Have no logical response to a person's argument? Accuse them of being "privileged" and therefore, their argument hold no merit because the person making the argument is disqualified. Example, "you're white, you don't get to speak about racism" or "you're a man or a straight or a cis or Christian or whatever, you don't get to speak about blah blah blah".

Can't explain why other people are doing better than others? It's "privilege". Solution? A centralized government agency to police how people are treated and keep the "privileged" from keep taking advantage of the oppressed people who are only less successful due to the "privileged" people holding them back.

All people are exactly equal, so all people should be exactly as successful. That's the Marxist/communist dogma. Therefore, the only way someone could be more successful than another is if one is privileged and the other is oppressed. How else would you explain identically "equal" people having different levels of success? Clearly it's the evils of capitalism allowing the "privileged elites" colluding against the oppressed.

[97 bulls]

The whole "privilege" thing is a communist ideology to justify requiring a centralized government agency to police how everyone is treated to ensure everyone is "equal".

It's typical of Marxist language in that it's purposely vague and has no real defined meaning so you can pretty much throw it around whenever you feel like it to justify irrational opinions.

Have no logical response to a person's argument? Accuse them of being "privileged" and therefore, their argument hold no merit because the person making the argument is disqualified. Example, "you're white, you don't get to speak about racism" or "you're a man or a straight or a cis or Christian or whatever, you don't get to speak about blah blah blah".

Can't explain why other people are doing better than others? It's "privilege". Solution? A centralized government agency to police how people are treated and keep the "privileged" from keep taking advantage of the oppressed people who are only less successful due to the "privileged" people holding them back.

All people are exactly equal, so all people should be exactly as successful. That's the Marxist/communist dogma. Therefore, the only way someone could be more successful than another is if one is privileged and the other is oppressed. How else would you explain identically "equal" people having different levels of success? Clearly it's the evils of capitalism allowing the "privileged elites" colluding against the oppressed.
It's been explained to you many times. All the way down to the root. For some reason, you just cant accept it. Or better yet won't.

[kennethgriffin]

White people complaining about not having parades and shit. Are we serious? Try getting your face held against a police car with an officer waving a gun to scare you because you are too puerto rican and are hanging out with a pretty girl at night. This is the kind of shit that happened to me. You're either really just self centered or stupid to think that white people are this oppressed minority.

i never said i wanted one


i just want the choice to be able to have one without worrying about what would happen


the reason we dont have pride to be white or men or straight is more to do with the fact that if we DID. we'd be crucified, stoned, pelted, tear gassed, prosicuted, charged, disemboweled, lynched, outcast, raped, chased out of town, labled and exiled

not so much because we're content with who we are.

we live in fear


when it comes to public outlash and mainstream media


i'm the minority

i'm always to blame

[NumberSix]

It's been explained to you many times. All the way down to the root. For some reason, you just cant accept it. Or better yet won't.
It? What's "it"? Maybe "it" has been explained to me, but you're going to have to tell exactly which "it" you're referring to.

[jstern]

Oh save it. The kid didnt get approached based on how he was dressed, he was approached based on him attempting to saw that bike chain and take the bike.

This is one of the reasons why we can never find a common ground. People like you just can't be honest.

And even if they did go after the black kid only because of what he was wearing, thats profiling. Thats exactly how Trayvon Martin was killed.

And Trayvon Martin was wearing tight khaki pants http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2348155-1A837202000005DC-174_634x500.jpg The video of the stealing a bike and George Zimmerman being a hot head...

[97 bulls]

Id also like to address the whole "whats wrong with white power/pride concept?" Theres nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all. Its just that the term "white power" is frequently used by racists white people. And to oppress people of color.

[ralph_i_el]

Oh save it. The kid didnt get approached based on how he was dressed, he was approached based on him attempting to saw that bike chain and take the bike.

This is one of the reasons why we can never find a common ground. People like you just can't be honest.

And even if they did go after the black kid only because of what he was wearing, thats profiling. Thats exactly how Trayvon Martin was killed.

I think Trayvon Martin would probably be alive today if he hadn't been pounding that Hispanic guys head into the pavement.

[NumberSix]

Id also like to address the whole "whats wrong with white power/pride concept?" Theres nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all. Its just that the term "white power" is frequently used by racists white people. And to oppress people of color.
Did ANYONE in this thread say ANYTHING about "white power"?

[NumberSix]

I think Trayvon Martin would probably be alive today if he hadn't been pounding that Hispanic guys head into the pavement.
No, we're supposed to pretend that never happened. The photos of his bloody bashed in head are also not relevant.

[97 bulls]

It? What's "it"? Maybe "it" has been explained to me, but you're going to have to tell exactly which "it" you're referring to.
What we've been discussing over the last five pages. Why white males have an advantage over other groups of people. "White privilege".

And how blacks are often oppressed.

[97 bulls]

I think Trayvon Martin would probably be alive today if he hadn't been pounding that Hispanic guys head into the pavement.
Martin would be alive today had that man left him alone.

[Jameerthefear]

people still falling for #6's trolling? lawl

[mehyaM24]

The whole "privilege" thing is a communist ideology to justify requiring a centralized government agency to police how everyone is treated to ensure everyone is "equal".

It's typical of Marxist language in that it's purposely vague and has no real defined meaning so you can pretty much throw it around whenever you feel like it to justify irrational opinions.

Have no logical response to a person's argument? Accuse them of being "privileged" and therefore, their argument hold no merit because the person making the argument is disqualified. Example, "you're white, you don't get to speak about racism" or "you're a man or a straight or a cis or Christian or whatever, you don't get to speak about blah blah blah".

Can't explain why other people are doing better than others? It's "privilege". Solution? A centralized government agency to police how people are treated and keep the "privileged" from keep taking advantage of the oppressed people who are only less successful due to the "privileged" people holding them back.

All people are exactly equal, so all people should be exactly as successful. That's the Marxist/communist dogma. Therefore, the only way someone could be more successful than another is if one is privileged and the other is oppressed. How else would you explain identically "equal" people having different levels of success? Clearly it's the evils of capitalism allowing the "privileged elites" colluding against the oppressed.

you and i dont agree often, but you're 100% spot on with this post. good stuff.

[NumberSix]

What we've been discussing over the last five pages. Why white males have an advantage over other groups of people. "White privilege".

And how blacks are often oppressed.
I was talking about the origins of "privilege theory". It's origins are Marxist. Just a fact. I wasn't debating whether or not people have advantages over others, which poeple obviously do have advantages.

[jstern]

I hate parades, all parades are stupid and divisive. There should be no parades.

Most white Americans don't really care where their ancestors come from, but the Irish is kind of a different story because of their excitement over the Irish day parade. On the comments that I see from others on Facebook, it gives these young people who know nothing of Ireland, nor never met any family member that had ever been to Ireland, this sort of special feeling of belonging to a special group, that's just not there with people whose ancestors came from other European countries. I know it sounds harsh, but it's just my observation, it's what parades do, makes you feel like you belong to a special group, instead of just being American. One of the best people I've ever met is Irish, and she eats up that feeling of belonging to a special group.

[97 bulls]

Did ANYONE in this thread say ANYTHING about "white power"?
It's the same thing. Notice the only ones spewing "white pride" have the same ideals as the ones spewing "white power". Its just that the "white pride" group don't have the manhood to come out and say theyre racists as well.

[ralph_i_el]

Martin would be alive today had that man left him alone.

People have asked me why I was somewhere without me attacking them.

Actually, black folks have asked me why I was in their neighborhood and it was broad daylight out. Did I start swinging? Nope! And I wasn't rocking tats and fronts either ( I'll admit...just like martin...I was blazed).

Not to mention the suspensions and stolen goods found on martin don't really paint a rosey picture of the kid. You and I both knew kids like that back in our school days.

[kennethgriffin]

could anyone picture that first take female getting up infront of the world the next episode and apologizing after saying a day before "men are all pigs, they rape and destroy the world. if women were in charge of countries there would be no wars. yall evil"

ofcourse not

stephen and skip right after she said that would go "ohhhh lol ya pshhh you go girl! ok lets move on"


women can say whatever they want about men

blacks can say whatever they want about whites

gays can say whatever they want about straights





now switch the roles. reverse the scrip. and you got a sterling, a stephen A, a tim hardaway Sr.

those guys got crucified for having their own belief system about blacks, women, gays

why? why cant they have their own opinion


i thought this was america? land of the free


yeah right..

[97 bulls]

I was talking about the origins of "privilege theory". It's origins are Marxist. Just a fact. I wasn't debating whether or not people have advantages over others, which poeple obviously do have advantages.
I know what you were saying in that post, and I said its been explained to you. Meaning your theory is wrong.

[NumberSix]

I know what you were saying in that post, and I said its been explained to you. Meaning your theory is wrong.
I don't have a theory. If you're not well read enough to know the origins of certain intellectual/political movements, you should probably not jump into the discussion.

Again..... What is the "it" that has been explained?

[97 bulls]

People have asked me why I was somewhere without me attacking them.

Actually, black folks have asked me why I was in their neighborhood and it was broad daylight out. Did I start swinging? Nope! And I wasn't rocking tats and fronts either ( I'll admit...just like martin...I was blazed).

Not to mention the suspensions and stolen goods found on martin don't really paint a rosey picture of the kid. You and I both knew kids like that back in our school days.
The black folks that asked you were probably banging on you. I find it hard to believe that a black person would approach you and ask you why youre walking through their neighborhood.

Either way the fact remains that Martin was walking home and got confronted by a man with a gun. Everything else is based on the killers interpretation on what happened.

I was responding to your assumption that that Martin not punched him that hed still be alive. And took it a step further by saying if Zimmerman left him alone, hed be alive today.

[mehyaM24]

Oh save it. The kid didnt get approached based on how he was dressed, he was approached based on him attempting to saw that bike chain and take the bike.

yes he did. i watched the video and thats exactly what happened.


This is one of the reasons why we can never find a common ground. People like you just can't be honest.

the reason we cant find common ground is because of insecure people trying to guilt others.


thats profiling.

everybody profiles. EVERYONE. in most cases race has nothing to do with it.

nothing kuniva said was being dishonest. he is on the money.

[97 bulls]

I don't have a theory. If you're not well read enough to know the origins of certain intellectual/political movements, you should probably not jump into the discussion.

Again..... What is the "it" that has been explained?
Im well read. Youre basing your theory on why our society is the way it around Marxism. Which isnt true. We dont even live in a Marxist society. We are capitalists.

[ralph_i_el]

The black folks that asked you were probably banging on you. I find it hard to believe that a black person would approach you and ask you why youre walking through their neighborhood.

Either way the fact remains that Martin was walking home and got confronted by a man with a gun. Everything else is based on the killers interpretation on what happened.

I was responding to your assumption that that Martin not punched him that hed still be alive. And took it a step further by saying if Zimmerman left him alone, hed be alive today.
^Well yeah I don't debate any of this.

None of us where there to determine what really happened with Zimmerman. We have neighborhood watch where I live and if someone was walking around alone with a hood up at night and you had watch duty, you would most definitely ask them what they were doing. I think Zimmerman had the right to do that. But I also don't know how he went about it. He could have walked up and been like "get out of my hood you n***** piece of shit" (which would have probably justified a beat down) and we wouldn't know. Facts are Zimmerman confronted a suspicious person during a period when his neighborhood had a rash of break-ins. Then Zimmerman clearly got his ass kicked, then shot his assailent. Besides that we just don't have a clear picture of what really went down. I wouldn't send GZ to jail based on that. But I can't have this opinion in public or I'm a "racist"

[97 bulls]

yes he did. i watched the video and thats exactly what happened.
So the black kid got approached not based on what he was doing, but because of how he was dressed? Are you serious? Even if that were true, that makes it worse.




the reason we cant find common ground is because of insecure people trying to guilt others.
Insecure? You dont think its insecure to approach people based on how theyre dressed?



everybody profiles. EVERYONE. in most cases race has nothing to do with it.
Very true. Everyone profiles. But minorities (especially blacks and mexicans) get those profiles acted out on.

That's the difference.


nothing kuniva said was being dishonest. he is on the money.
Im giving him and that group of people the benefit of the doubt. Im saying they didnt approach that black kid based on how he was dressed, but because of what he was doing. Kuniva said they approached him solely by how he was dressed. By saying or implying that there was a difference in the scenarios. Both kids looked to be stealing a bike, but one had on baggy pants so he must be a criminal while the other wasn't because he wasn't dressed in a certain way.

How ridiculous can you get?

[97 bulls]

^Well yeah I don't debate any of this.

None of us where there to determine what really happened with Zimmerman. We have neighborhood watch where I live and if someone was walking around alone with a hood up at night and you had watch duty, you would most definitely ask them what they were doing. I think Zimmerman had the right to do that. But I also don't know how he went about it. He could have walked up and been like "get out of my hood you n***** piece of shit" (which would have probably justified a beat down) and we wouldn't know. Facts are Zimmerman confronted a suspicious person during a period when his neighborhood had a rash of break-ins. Then Zimmerman clearly got his ass kicked, then shot his assailent. Besides that we just don't have a clear picture of what really went down. I wouldn't send GZ to jail based on that. But I can't have this opinion in public or I'm a "racist"
Lol what so suspicious about walking home from the store at 8 pm? Again this is the problem.

And even if he was neighborhood watch, he broke many rules, that it didn't even matter. Im still trying to figure out how the prosecution coukd botch such an easy case.

[ralph_i_el]

Lol what so suspicious about walking home from the store at 8 pm? Again this is the problem.

And even if he was neighborhood watch, he broke many rules, that it didn't even matter. Im still trying to figure out how the prosecution coukd botch such an easy case.
What's suspicious is that GZ didn't know him and it was a gated community. A community that had a problem with young men breaking into houses. I will not comment on the races of the men that police picked up for these burglaries....you can do that research on your own If you'd like to know. If I recall correctly Martin had just started living there because he got kicked out of school.


Now let's just say for the sake of arguing that GZ was profiling and only said something to Martin because martin was black. Is that cause to beat the shit out of him in the street?

Which rules did he break?

The reason why you can't figure out why they botched it is because the burden of proof was the the prosecution and they had nothing. Believe it or not, sometimes guns are used in self defense and the person doesn't go to jail.

[97 bulls]

What's suspicious is that GZ didn't know him and it was a gated community. A community that had a problem with young men breaking into houses. If I recall correctly Martin had just started living their because he got kicked out of school.

Which rules did he break?

The reason why you can't figure out why they botched it is because the burden of proof was the the prosecution and they had nothing. Believe it or not, sometimes guns are used in self defense and the person doesn't go to jail.
Lol he knows everyone in the neighborhood? He didnt even know the name of the next street over according to him. The man is a liar.

It was botched. There were so many inconsistencies. But whatever. We still have OJ lol j/k.

I wish we were able to discuss this in person cuz I can show you better than I can tell you.

[mehyaM24]

So the black kid got approached not based on what he was doing, but because of how he was dressed? Are you serious? Even if that were true, that makes it worse.

the kid got approached because he looked suspicious. skin color had nothing to do with it. stop being insecure.



Insecure? You dont think its insecure to approach people based on how theyre dressed?

what you wear and how you dress says a lot about you. men wearing skirts would cause double-takes.

basically the black kid got more approached than the white boy (they both got approached) because of his attire.




Very true. Everyone profiles. But minorities (especially blacks and mexicans) get those profiles acted out on.

That's the difference.

the white boy got approached in the video. you're just making shit up.


Kuniva said they approached him solely by how he was dressed.

that isnt what kuniva said. he is implying that the black kid got more looks because of what he is wearing. as is, they both got looks and both got approached for pretending to steal a bike.


How ridiculous can you get?

im not the one making excuses and turning this into a race war.

man of any color = my brother. thats my take.

[ralph_i_el]

Lol he knows everyone in the neighborhood? He didnt even know the name of the next street over according to him. The man is a liar.

It was botched. There were so many inconsistencies. But whatever. We still have OJ lol j/k.

I wish we were able to discuss this in person cuz I can show you better than I can tell you.

Same here. This has been constructive, which is a nice change of pace compared to how these discussions usually go on the internet.


If you could do one more thing for me, I'd like to hear how you envision the whole incident going down. It seems like everyone has a different mental picture of what happened.

[Myth]

can someone please tell me where to find this "white privilege" thing?

im white (skin color), barley making it by, my white wife is unemployed, child support is killing me(and I pay it *gasp*)

i have not had a raise in 4 years, rent in my "white" neighborhood is skyrocketing... I mean seriously! where do I cash this "white" privilege thing in doctor? Doctor...:confusedshrug:

At the very least, you are probably viewed as less suspicious in stores by employees unless you have made some questionable style and grooming choices.

[97 bulls]

Same here. This has been constructive, which is a nice change of pace compared to how these discussions usually go on the internet.


If you could do one more thing for me, I'd like to hear how you envision the whole incident going down. It seems like everyone has a different mental picture of what happened.
First. I don't think Zimmerman set out looking to shoot anyone.

I think Zimmerman was being overzealous, saw a black kid walking down the street and turned into super cop.

Then he began following the kid. Martin realizes hes being followed. We know that because he tells that dumb female he was talking to.

Zimmerman is following him and feels its his civic duty to keep an eye on Martin. And I say that because in the 911 call, he makes the statement alluding to how "they always get away." And he wasnt gonna let that happen.

When Martin goes down that path, Zimmerman leaves his vehicle to keep him in sight. Now mind you. Neither knows the others intentions.

What seems fishy is Zimmerman says he left his car to get the address of where he was. Why walk down the path to the next street over? Thats not where his truck was.

Then as hes comming back down the trail back to his truck, Martin confronted him. Instead of Zimmerman explaining his intentions, he reaches for what he said was his phone to call the police. Why? What law did Martin break? He has just as much a right to know why hes being followed as Zimmerman to follow him ( if you agree that its ok to follow a person). Martin doesn't know what hes reaching for. Not to mention he did have a gun, thats why I think Martin punched him. But then consider this. And this is where I wish we were standing face to face. The momemtum of the punch carried him forward instead of backward. How is this possible? Martin was shot two houses down from where the initial confrontation happened. How did they end up that far down the path?

It makes no sense

[jstern]

Check this video out. White guy turns his skin black and lives as a black guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RJ1dNMHVaY

You need to be able to put yourself in another person's shoes to really understand a point.

[NuggetsFan]

At the very least, you are probably viewed as less suspicious in stores by employees unless you have made some questionable style and grooming choices.

Questionable grooming choices and style is the most important thing nowadays in good areas. I think where the place is, the area is HUGE factor. It's all about how you appear. If that dude looks poor and rough around the edges than people will be suspicious of him, more so than somebody like Will Smith. If somebody walks into a store looking like a rapper than yeah he'll look more suspicious, because that "culture" has been advertised as dangerous, sketchy.

White people LOVE to look down on white people. As a teenager I had a punk attitude and I'm white and deff had trouble dealing with cops because how I handled it. Your demeanor goes a long way regardless of race with anybody I think.

I think size plays a factor in people being suspicious too. Cops, other people, women are less likely to be scared of a male who's 5'5 than they are somebody who's 6'2. A 5'5 minority is less likely to cause a stir than one who's built like a brick shithouse, because even a white guy who's huge is probably going make to a person nervous in a dark alley.

[NumberSix]

Im well read. Youre basing your theory on why our society is the way it around Marxism. Which isnt true. We dont even live in a Marxist society. We are capitalists.
What theory?

[97 bulls]

the kid got approached because he looked suspicious. skin color had nothing to do with it. stop being insecure.
Oh stop it. You gonna tell me that both situations were acted out in the same way? Sure there were some who approached the white kid, but nowhere near the same intensity.





what you wear and how you dress says a lot about you. men wearing skirts would cause double-takes.
I agree. But in this particular scenario, both kids were stealing or looked to be stealing a bike. Why do you continue to gloss over that? You're trying to argue something that has no bearing on the matter. did anyone ask him "why are you dressed like that?" And again, theres no law against sagging your pants. So if the black kid were walking down the street and confronted due to his dress, thats wrong.
basically the black kid got more approached than the white boy (they both got approached) because of his attire.






the white boy got approached in the video. you're just making shit up.
He did. But are you saying he got approced at the same rate or intensity? If so you're the only person thats made that claim




that isnt what kuniva said. he is implying that the black kid got more looks because of what he is wearing. as is, they both got looks and both got approached for pretending to steal a bike.
I cant stress this enough. Why does his style of dress matter? This is exactly what white privledge is. The white kid wasnt dressed in an Armani Suit. Why does the black kid have to dress like the white kid in order to be treated the same. Let's just discuss merit.




im not the one making excuses and turning this into a race war.

man of any color = my brother. thats my take.
Your are making excuses. Your excusing that clip by saying it's ok based on how they were dressed. And totally neglecting the real reason they were questioned.

[97 bulls]

What theory?
Your theory on why there is a perception of inequality

[NumberSix]

Your theory on why there is a perception of inequality
When did I talk about that?

[97 bulls]

When did I talk about that?
Lol. Let it go. Ok, ok. Blacks are lazy scum and that's why we cant get ahead. Our saving grace is that the great white race has adopted the social views of Karl Marx who believed that all things should be equally given out regardless of merit. And thus when we as lazy blacks don't get it, we turn to crime because thats inherently in our nature.

There. You happy now?

[lakerspng]

So number one = lesbian obese black female?

her name is Oprah. show some respect!

[ThePhantomCreep]

i never said i wanted one


i just want the choice to be able to have one without worrying about what would happen


the reason we dont have pride to be white or men or straight is more to do with the fact that if we DID. we'd be crucified, stoned, pelted, tear gassed, prosicuted, charged, disemboweled, lynched, outcast, raped, chased out of town, labled and exiled

not so much because we're content with who we are.

we live in fear


when it comes to public outlash and mainstream media


i'm the minority

i'm always to blame

"white pride" parades have a well-deserved negative image.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_thVwl6AQWI/UR1qx5WRsdI/AAAAAAAAAzM/lDHNY-ePmcs/s758/31479_107984949385228_337722787_n.jpg

99% of the parades you see are based on nationality, not race.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think Trayvon Martin would probably be alive today if he hadn't been pounding that Hispanic guys head into the pavement.

Zimmerman would not have followed Martin around in car and later on foot, had he been white. Who are you kidding?

And let's face it, had Zimmerman killed a white teenager, he'd be known as "Jorge el Asesino". Fox News and Rush would have called for his deportation.

[ralph_i_el]

Zimmerman would not have followed Martin around in car and later on foot, had he been white. Who are you kidding?

And let's face it, had Zimmerman killed a white teenager, he'd be known as "Jorge el Asesino". Fox News and Rush would have called for his deportation.
If Zimmerman killed a white kid it wouldn't even be a national story.

[Meticode]

women, blacks, gays all need to wake up and realize it isnt 1960 anymore


no white man under the age of 60 cares about what your parents or grandparants went through.

things have been just fine for you these past multiple decades. quit complaining or acting like we owe you something

i'm a 30 year old white straight man and my entire life ive felt like the one with less rights, less freedoms, less advantages, more guilt, more blame,

white straight men can't be proud to be white, proud to be straight or proud to be men. if we show even the slightest bit of this we are labled supremisist/bigots/misogynist

we have to watch what we say or do. we have no freedom of speech, freedom of choice. if we anger blacks, females or homosexuals in any way we lose our job, our money, our freedom, our respect, our privacy and our life basically

i know what happened to steven A was a shock. because hes black.. and even the black community doesnt have that donald sterling type power over women

it goes

Women > Blacks > homosexuals > white straight guys

stephen A smiths only mistak was picking on the one sector of humanity that overpowers his kind

but still.. atleast hes not a white straight man like me. and hes lucky he didnt direct his comment towards a black female. because he would have gotten allot more than a week off work
Welcome to Earth. This happens every day. Get over it.

[ralph_i_el]

First. I don't think Zimmerman set out looking to shoot anyone.

I think Zimmerman was being overzealous, saw a black kid walking down the street and turned into super cop.

Then he began following the kid. Martin realizes hes being followed. We know that because he tells that dumb female he was talking to.

Zimmerman is following him and feels its his civic duty to keep an eye on Martin. And I say that because in the 911 call, he makes the statement alluding to how "they always get away." And he wasnt gonna let that happen.

When Martin goes down that path, Zimmerman leaves his vehicle to keep him in sight. Now mind you. Neither knows the others intentions.

What seems fishy is Zimmerman says he left his car to get the address of where he was. Why walk down the path to the next street over? Thats not where his truck was.

Then as hes comming back down the trail back to his truck, Martin confronted him. Instead of Zimmerman explaining his intentions, he reaches for what he said was his phone to call the police. Why? What law did Martin break? He has just as much a right to know why hes being followed as Zimmerman to follow him ( if you agree that its ok to follow a person). Martin doesn't know what hes reaching for. Not to mention he did have a gun, thats why I think Martin punched him. But then consider this. And this is where I wish we were standing face to face. The momemtum of the punch carried him forward instead of backward. How is this possible? Martin was shot two houses down from where the initial confrontation happened. How did they end up that far down the path?

It makes no sense

Those are some interesting discrepancies. Do you have any theories on why that happened?

[NumberSix]

Lol. Let it go. Ok, ok. Blacks are lazy scum and that's why we cant get ahead. Our saving grace is that the great white race has adopted the social views of Karl Marx who believed that all things should be equally given out regardless of merit. And thus when we as lazy blacks don't get it, we turn to crime because thats inherently in our nature.

There. You happy now?
I didn't say anything about blacks. All I did was explain where privilege theory came from, which is left wing politics.

I mean, I don't get why you simply haven't googled this. It's not hard to do. It's a well known thing in politics.



Here's a piece of an article from a magazine dedicated to socialism and left wing politics.


Where does privilege theory come from?

Privilege theory builds on the theoretical framework of the identity politics that dominated the left during the 1980s and 1990s. These politics reflected the fragmentation of the social movements of the 1960s and 1970s and the political pessimism of the Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan years. In Britain this meant a shift from struggles that challenged the power of the state to either seeking accommodation with it or retreating into increasingly lifestyle-focused or identity-based politics that ignored the state and questions of structural inequality altogether. In many cases, in Britain at least, the state actually encouraged such fragmentation, with the funding for example of discrete “ethnic” projects.7 Identity politics essentially argued that only those who experience something can really understand it or be relied upon to challenge it. Privilege theory largely accepts this premise, but in many ways is the flip side of this framework—focusing not on the oppressed, but on the supposed “privileged” oppressor.

Another quote from a marxist website....


I’ve followed with interest the debate on “privilege theory” in response to Bill Mullen’s article at SocialistWorker.org (“Is there a white skin privilege?”). Arguments about privilege have not only become more prominent within various struggles and radicalizing milieus over the last couple of years, but also won influence among many socialists as a way of addressing perceived gaps in Marxist theorizing on oppression.

[quote]many socialists have been attracted to privilege arguments because they involve familiar-sounding talk about consciousness as determined by social being. This theory of consciousness — that one’s location in a hierarchy of privilege determines one’s ideas — is used to argue that people from oppressed groups have a better ability to understand oppression and how to fight it than those “higher up the food chain.”

In superficial ways, the structure of the argument seems similar to the Marxist idea of “class consciousness” — consciousness of the totality of capitalist social relations — as only capable of being grasped from “the standpoint of the proletariat,” in Luk

[97 bulls]

Those are some interesting discrepancies. Do you have any theories on why that happened?
Sure do. Watch the Zimmerman reenactment. Im basing my theory off his story.

Think about it. In the 911 call you hear him say "oh shit hes running" then you hear his door open and him running as well. Then he says "hes gone." I think Zimmerman went down that path looking for Martin. Not an address.

I feel Zimmerman was right behind him, but not enough that it gave Martin a chance to hide. Zimmerman found him and then the confrontation happened. I do feel Martin hit him first (thus why he had the underhand) but it was only after he asked Zimmerman if he had a problem (Zimmerman s words) and Zimmerman reached for his phone.

I wouldve assumed he was reaching for a weapon as well and wouldve swung too.

[97 bulls]

I didn't say anything about blacks. All I did was explain where privilege theory came from, which is left wing politics.

I mean, I don't get why you simply haven't googled this. It's not hard to do. It's a well known thing in politics.



Here's a piece of an article from a magazine dedicated to socialism and left wing politics.



Another quote from a marxist website....






This discussion is clearly over your head.
I know exactly what your trying to get accross. Blacks have been trained by the leftwing/Marxist to feel everything should be equal.

We've discussed this for a while. I know your stance. All I did was summarize it.

Karl Marx theory is hardly over my head. Make a thread in the OTC and ill set you straight on that too.

[Soundwave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

Louis CK puts it best, lol.

[NumberSix]

I know exactly what your trying to get accross. Blacks have been trained by the leftwing/Marxist to feel everything should be equal.

We've discussed this for a while. I know your stance. All I did was summarize it.

Karl Marx theory is hardly over my head. Make a thread in the OTC and ill set you straight on that too.
It's not about blacks. It's people in general.

[Soundwave]

It's not about blacks. It's people in general.

Meanwhile conservatives live in a fantasy world where they think 1950 is coming back :oldlol: Never gonna happen.

[NumberSix]

Meanwhile conservatives live in a fantasy world where they think 1950 is coming back :oldlol: Never gonna happen.
What does this even mean? Who the hell wants it to be 1950?

[Soundwave]

What does this even mean? Who the hell wants it to be 1950?

Most conservatives want to live in a world that's like 1950. They've lost every single culture war to progress since then and will continue to basically lose every single one.

Every generation is more liberal than the previous one.

[NumberSix]

Most conservatives want to live in a world that's like 1950. They've lost every single culture war to progress since then and will continue to basically lose every single one.

Every generation is more liberal than the previous one.
You've been watching too much MSNBC. There's no "culture war" against "progress". Whatever "progress" entails exactly.

And every generation doesn't get more liberal. That's more tied to birth rate. Low birth rate ALWAYS results in growing conservative sentiment.

[Soundwave]

You've been watching too much MSNBC. There's no "culture war" against "progress". Whatever "progress" entails exactly.

I don't watch any cable news period.

Progress is just the simple liberalization of society. It's actually fueled by capitalism, because capitalism doesn't give two f*cks about regionalism. It's all about the green and that's created a globalized economy that encourages everyone to get their own piece of the pie. Doesn't matter if you're Hong Kong or New York.

The only way to stunt this is to have a repressive society like what the Muslim/Taliban conservatives try to do by creating a religious state that punishes anyone who doesn't adhere to their strict doctrine. And they have to rule through fear to do that.

[NumberSix]

I don't watch any cable news period.

Progress is just the simple liberalization of society. It's actually fueled by capitalism, because capitalism doesn't give two f*cks about regionalism. It's all about the green and that's created a globalized economy that encourages everyone to get their own piece of the pie. Doesn't matter if you're Hong Kong or New York.

The only way to stunt this is to have a repressive society like what the Muslim/Taliban conservatives try to do by creating a religious state that punishes anyone who doesn't adhere to their strict doctrine. And they have to rule through fear to do that.
Isn't it usually people on the left who want to quell capitalism with tons of regulations and red tape?

[Soundwave]

Isn't it usually people on the left who want to quell capitalism with tons of regulations and red tape?

It doesn't change the net end of capitalism which is having a Big Mac available on every street corner in the world. That's transcendent over national politics or even religion.

Regulated capitalism actually usually works better than completely unregulated capitalism anyway. If you had completely unregulated capitalism you'd basically have 3-4 monopolies acting as a bottleneck to the global economy.