View Full Version : Best Young Core of the Future
Fudge
07-30-2014, 01:18 AM
Let's say .... 24 years old and under.
MIL:
Jabari Parker
Giannis Antetekounmpo
John Henson
Brandon Knight
CLE:
Andrew Wiggins
Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiters
Anthony Bennett
PHI:
Michael Carter-Williams
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid
WAS:
John Wall
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
NOP:
Anthony Davis
Jrue Holiday
Tyreke Evans
TOR:
DeMar DeRozan
Terrence Ross
Jonas Valenciunas
UTAH:
Gordon Hayward
Dante Exum
Trey Burke
Derrick Favors
DET:
Andre Drummond
Greg Monroe
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
CHA:
Lance Stephenson
Kemba Walker
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Noah Vonleh
Cody Zeller
BOS:
Marcus Smart
James Young
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
MIN:
Ricky Rubio
Zach LaVine
Gorgui Dieng
Shabazz Muhammad
Who you nighas think has the best core 5 years from now?
mattvNJ
07-30-2014, 01:20 AM
NOP, CLE, or MIL(depending on plater progression)
LoneyROY7
07-30-2014, 01:21 AM
MIL, CLE, and NOP.
Legends66NBA7
07-30-2014, 01:24 AM
Bruno Caboclo should be added for the Raptors young core.
JohnFreeman
07-30-2014, 01:26 AM
SAC
Quizno
07-30-2014, 01:29 AM
hey fudge, you negged me and sent this message about me posting about my charlotte hornets
Stop lying loser. You're a Kobe Bryant fanatic. I"ll b1tch slap you back to your mom's mangina. - Fudge
that's messed up, man. check my history: http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124067
i'm legit. i do love me some kobe but i been riding with the bobcats/hornets since 2009 my dude. can i get an apology or what? p.s. i'm going with milwaukee in terms of their potential
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 01:29 AM
I dont understand why you didnt add Lance to Charlotte when hes younger than Hayward
Fudge
07-30-2014, 01:29 AM
Bruno Caboclo should be added for the Raptors young core.
Naw, can't dude, not after this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxQejj32cI
Fudge
07-30-2014, 01:31 AM
hey fudge, you negged me and sent this message about me posting about my charlotte hornets
that's messed up, man. check my history: http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124067
i'm legit. i do love me some kobe but i been riding with the bobcats/hornets since 2009 my dude. can i get an apology or what? p.s. i'm going with milwaukee in terms of their potential
That wasn't me, dude. :lol
Quizno
07-30-2014, 01:31 AM
That wasn't me, dude. :lol
lmao damnit i figured
Milbuck
07-30-2014, 01:31 AM
Bucks and it's not really that close. #2 pick in this year's draft and the guy that should've gone #1 in last year's draft..highest ceiling duo under 21 yrs old, though Noel/Embiid is close.
TheMilkyBarKid
07-30-2014, 01:33 AM
Probably bucks and you haven't even mentioned Larry sanders
Maybe philly depending how their bigs go
livingby3's
07-30-2014, 01:33 AM
East era.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 01:34 AM
Bucks and it's not really that close. #2 pick in this year's draft and the guy that should've gone #1 in last year's draft..highest ceiling duo under 21 yrs old, though Noel/Embiid is close.
charlotte is better
Fudge
07-30-2014, 01:35 AM
Cleveland, Milwayee, and NOP will probably be the best.
Charlotte's gonna be REALLY good. Damn, that can be their starting lineup in 3-4 years. And I haven't even included their best player (Jefferson), who's only 29 atm.
I like Utah too.
Milbuck
07-30-2014, 01:36 AM
charlotte is better
Jabari and Giannis are both 19..Kemba is 24 and Lance will be 24 in a couple months. In 5 years when Jabari & Giannis are 24 they'll be better.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 01:40 AM
Jabari and Giannis are both 19..Kemba is 24 and Lance will be 24 in a couple months. In 5 years when Jabari & Giannis are 24 they'll be better.
jabari is fat and giannis is overrated.
i thought giannis was a pg? averaged 1.8 assists in summerleague. and 2 games with 0 assists
5 years from now both Kemba and Lance will be at their peak
Jameerthefear
07-30-2014, 01:47 AM
Orlando is better than a good majority of those :applause:
T_L_P
07-30-2014, 01:48 AM
There is one superstar on that entire list. Therefore, whichever one Davis is playing for.
Milbuck
07-30-2014, 01:48 AM
jabari is fat and giannis is overrated.
i thought giannis was a pg? averaged 1.8 assists in summerleague. and 2 games with 0 assists
5 years from now both Kemba and Lance will be at their peak
And Zach Lavine had 8 points in the national tournament.........in 3 games :roll:
You don't know shit about the game, dude.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 01:49 AM
And Zach Lavine had 8 points in the national tournament.........in 3 games :roll:
You don't know shit about the game, dude.
yet hes more nba ready than giannis and parker :roll:
Milbuck
07-30-2014, 01:51 AM
yet hes more nba ready than giannis and parker :roll:
Holy shit :oldlol:
Weren't you also the guy that said Jahlil Okafor is the next Tim Duncan?
Pelicans. Anthony Davis and Jure Holiday have both been All-Stars. Evans is real solid too. And Davis is the best player listed out of all those guys, and its not even close.
If you're going to put a dude like Bennett on that list, you should of probably put Austin Rivers too. He's nothing special but he's proven more than Bennett has lol
John Wall and Bradley Beal are damn good too.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 01:53 AM
Holy shit :oldlol:
Weren't you also the guy that said Jahlil Okafor is the next Tim Duncan?
already better than duncan at the same age. plus has the same body except hes stronger.
i was right about lavine so u should trust me on okafor.
Milbuck
07-30-2014, 01:56 AM
already better than duncan at the same age. plus has the same body except hes stronger.
i was right about lavine so u should trust me on okafor.
You're either legit retarded or 10 years old. Either way, I'm done. Enjoy repping...whichever team you're a fan of now.
That_Admiral
07-30-2014, 01:57 AM
Boston's gonna be great, you can still add Olynk, Zeller and Pressy to that group
Fudge
07-30-2014, 01:58 AM
Holy shit :oldlol:
Weren't you also the guy that said Jahlil Okafor is the next Tim Duncan?
LOOOL :facepalm
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 02:23 AM
Oklahoma City, seriously.
Their top eight projected scorers for 2014-15 are KD, RW, Ibaka, Jackson, Lamb, Morrow, Adams and Jones, who currently have an average age of 24.4 years of age.
Now the question is, is this supporting cast too young to win a title? They are a lot younger now without Fisher, Butler and Thabo.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 02:24 AM
Oklahoma City, seriously.
Their top eight projected scorers for 2014-15 are KD, RW, Ibaka, Jackson, Lamb, Morrow, Adams and Jones currently have an average age of 24.4 years of age.
Now the question is, is this supporting cast too young to win a title? They are a lot younger now without Fisher, Butler and Thabo.
2 years from now Durant and Westbrook wont even be on the team
Yankstar
07-30-2014, 02:26 AM
2 years from now Durant and Westbrook wont even be on the team
You cold son :applause:
Fudge
07-30-2014, 02:27 AM
Oklahoma City, seriously.
Their top eight projected scorers for 2014-15 are KD, RW, Ibaka, Jackson, Lamb, Morrow, Adams and Jones, who currently have an average age of 24.4 years of age.
Now the question is, is this supporting cast too young to win a title? They are a lot younger now without Fisher, Butler and Thabo.
Tried not to include them since they would be the obvious choice.
Kept it 24 y/o and under. Includes all players.
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 02:34 AM
Cavs or Sixers for me. Probably take the Sixers if someone made me choose....especially as they are bound to add another stud or two in the next 2 years. The league better hope that Embid and Noel have injury problems, because if they don't...the sixers just landed the two best players of the last two drafts...and have Saric coming over as well. Embid, Noel, MCW, Saric...and at least another top pick. Shit could get scary real fast if Embid is right by next season.
The Pelicans might have the brightest future because of Davis, but that really isn't a "core"...
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 02:36 AM
You cold son :applause:
RW isn't a free agent for three more years, not two.
Secondly, KD may choose to stay if OKC is his best chance to win a title over the next few seasons as these young players mature and develop.
We shall see.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 02:39 AM
RW isn't a free agent for three more years, not two.
Secondly, KD may choose to stay if OKC is his best chance to win a title over the next few seasons as these young players mature and develop.
We shall see.
i guarantee he leaves for washington
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 02:43 AM
i guarantee he leaves for washington
Internet and message board guarantees are meaningless. It's an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
Only time will tell.
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 02:48 AM
But why do they put a guarantee on it?
Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it?
Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.
EricGordon23
07-30-2014, 02:48 AM
Charlotte or NOP
rhowen4
07-30-2014, 02:48 AM
Phi, Cle
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 02:51 AM
But why do they put a guarantee on it?
Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it?
Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.
kevin durant is going to washington
deal with it
Fudge
07-30-2014, 02:52 AM
kevin durant is going to washington
deal with it
Why you always getting ethered in every thread? :lol
Time to stop posting for a bit, bro.
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 02:54 AM
kevin durant is going to washington
deal with it
I guess my movie reference was lost on you.
El Gato Negro
07-30-2014, 02:56 AM
You left TT and Delly off your list of cavs players.
Cocaine80s
07-30-2014, 02:59 AM
I guess my movie reference was lost on you.
lol what movie?
Yankstar
07-30-2014, 03:07 AM
i guarantee he leaves for washington
Nope he goin to LA. He love the big market lime light :pimp:
SOD 21
07-30-2014, 03:15 AM
lol what movie?
It's a line said by Chris Farley in Tommy Boy while he's on a sales call and explaining to a customer why his company doesn't put guarantees on their auto part boxes.
It's a funny scene and movie.
Im Still Ballin
07-30-2014, 03:24 AM
Sac?
Stauskas will be the rookie of the year.
andremiller07
07-30-2014, 04:10 AM
Sac?
Stauskas will be the rookie of the year.
Not with Rudy Gay there he's not
Im Still Ballin
07-30-2014, 04:16 AM
Not with Rudy Gay there he's not
Just watch. He along with TJ Warren are the steals of the draft.
andremiller07
07-30-2014, 04:27 AM
Just watch. He along with TJ Warren are the steals of the draft.
Stlyeskus is a beast I know that
Im Still Ballin
07-30-2014, 04:29 AM
Stlyeskus is a beast I know that
Can Rudy be traded right now? wouldn't mind shipping him off in some package to get Smith
PleezeBehave
07-30-2014, 06:27 AM
Why isn't Orlando included here?
Victor Oladipo
Tobias Harris
Aaron Gordon
Elfrid Payton
Nikola Vucevic
Im Still Ballin
07-30-2014, 06:30 AM
Why isn't Orlando included here?
Victor Oladipo
Tobias Harris
Aaron Gordon
Elfrid Payton
Nikola Vucevic
Polished turds.
PleezeBehave
07-30-2014, 06:42 AM
Polished turds.
Very insightful post. Thank you.
Done_And_Done
07-30-2014, 08:11 AM
It's easy to forget how young Tyreke is. It feels like he's been in the league for ages.
SHABBA
07-30-2014, 08:52 AM
Nawlins.
r0drig0lac
07-30-2014, 09:09 AM
phila and cleveland
ralph_i_el
07-30-2014, 10:13 AM
No love for the wiz? That young core will probably have 2 all stars this season.
mugiwara
07-30-2014, 10:26 AM
How old is Dougie mcbuckets?
How old is Dougie mcbuckets?
22
Bulls players 24 years old or younger...
Jimmy Butler
Tony Snell
Doug McDermott
Nikola Mirotic
Cameron Bairstow
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 11:02 AM
Why isn't Orlando included here?
Victor Oladipo
Tobias Harris
Aaron Gordon
Elfrid Payton
Nikola Vucevic
Yea. Could be great.
Just heard on the radio that the 76ers are in a dogfight trying to prevent the NBA from making changes to the lottery this year. They aren't against it philosophically, but want the change delayed for a year or 2.
Mass Debator
07-30-2014, 11:38 AM
Bucks
Cavs
76ers
Jailblazers7
07-30-2014, 11:48 AM
Yea. Could be great.
Just heard on the radio that the 76ers are in a dogfight trying to prevent the NBA from making changes to the lottery this year. They aren't against it philosophically, but want the change delayed for a year or 2.
Yeah, I can imagine why Hinkie would be pissed about changes to the lottery. They set a plan in motion given the current rules of the game and don't want that plan disrupted by any changes. Can't blame nobody else for giving a shit since the team's blatant tanking is the impetus for a potential change in the first place.
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 11:57 AM
Yeah, I can imagine why Hinkie would be pissed about changes to the lottery. They set a plan in motion given the current rules of the game and don't want that plan disrupted by any changes. Can't blame nobody else for giving a shit since the team's blatant tanking is the impetus for a potential change in the first place.
Yea...he wants to get at least one more top 3 pick next summer.
They were probably thinking;
15 - top 3 pick
16 - top 12 pick
then have loads of talent and cap space...
very similar to what the Cavs have done these least 4 years since Lebron left. Only difference is that I think the Sixers will have much better players if they are healthy.
russwest0
07-30-2014, 12:01 PM
Yea. Could be great.
Just heard on the radio that the 76ers are in a dogfight trying to prevent the NBA from making changes to the lottery this year. They aren't against it philosophically, but want the change delayed for a year or 2.
the 76ers fighting a change like that is exactly proof of why it needs to happen, immediately.
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 12:08 PM
the 76ers fighting a change like that is exactly proof of why it needs to happen, immediately.
yea...i agree.
i don't know the specifics of the change, but i doubt it will really be enough to be honest. if it's a more even probability spread out over the teams in the lottery...you could have more teams trying to actually get into the lottery.
which might make the problem even worse sadly.
i really just think they should almost randomize it for every single team in the league every year. maybe not allow the 2 teams that make the finals to participate.
that way you see each team trying to actually win on a nightly basis. would make the league better and would actually be kind of fun to see what a really good team would do getting a top pick.
could make for some interesting trades.
we've made progress with the new CBA in leveling the playing field a bit...i still think there should just be a simple hard cap...with maybe a few exceptions on brining back guys that have been with the team for 7 years or longer at an amount that doesn't fully count on the cap.
but honestly, that seems like the best league. a far more randomized draft...and a hard cap that prevents teams from gaining too big of an advantage by spending.
Silver is the right guy for these changes. also would be huge to cut the games down to 66 or something. play every team twice...then play each team in the division 2 more times. that gets you 58 plus 8...66 games. Spread it out over the same time. Get rid of the back to backs....give them a week off for the All-star game. The product would be so much better.
With the new tv deal as well...the NBA could afford it.
People might actually tune in more often if the quality of teams and play was better. The biggest problem the NBA has is that the casual viewer just isn't going to turn on a random NBA game often right now. The product just isn't good enough in the regular season on a night to night basis.
Jailblazers7
07-30-2014, 12:09 PM
I really like the draft wheel idea that Grantland pitched a while back.
Boarder Patrol
07-30-2014, 12:11 PM
the 76ers fighting a change like that is exactly proof of why it needs to happen, immediately.
You do realize the Thunder owe the entirety of their success to the draft, right?
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 12:13 PM
I really like the draft wheel idea that Grantland pitched a while back.
It's better than the current method, but I think an almost fully randomized draft is better.
ralph_i_el
07-30-2014, 12:20 PM
yea...i agree.
i don't know the specifics of the change, but i doubt it will really be enough to be honest. if it's a more even probability spread out over the teams in the lottery...you could have more teams trying to actually get into the lottery.
which might make the problem even worse sadly.
i really just think they should almost randomize it for every single team in the league every year. maybe not allow the 2 teams that make the finals to participate.
that way you see each team trying to actually win on a nightly basis. would make the league better and would actually be kind of fun to see what a really good team would do getting a top pick.
could make for some interesting trades.
we've made progress with the new CBA in leveling the playing field a bit...i still think there should just be a simple hard cap...with maybe a few exceptions on brining back guys that have been with the team for 7 years or longer at an amount that doesn't fully count on the cap.
but honestly, that seems like the best league. a far more randomized draft...and a hard cap that prevents teams from gaining too big of an advantage by spending.
Silver is the right guy for these changes. also would be huge to cut the games down to 66 or something. play every team twice...then play each team in the division 2 more times. that gets you 58 plus 8...66 games. Spread it out over the same time. Get rid of the back to backs....give them a week off for the All-star game. The product would be so much better.
With the new tv deal as well...the NBA could afford it.
People might actually tune in more often if the quality of teams and play was better. The biggest problem the NBA has is that the casual viewer just isn't going to turn on a random NBA game often right now. The product just isn't good enough in the regular season on a night to night basis.
I agree with most of this. I think the lotto teams should have to play a single elimination tournament to determine how many lottery balls they get, or something along those lines. How about making the seeding for the lottery based on the amount of wins a team gets after being eliminated from playoff contention? Although that would involve getting rid of conference based playoffs
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 12:27 PM
I agree with most of this. I think the lotto teams should have to play a single elimination tournament to determine how many lottery balls they get, or something along those lines. How about making the seeding for the lottery based on the amount of wins a team gets after being eliminated from playoff contention? Although that would involve getting rid of conference based playoffs
Yea...I mean.
Honestly...in pro sports...it should never be better to lose than to win.
If you remove any real reward for losing...teams will stop trying to lose.
Also, it's not like the current system of giving bad teams great picks works. Look at the Wolves....tons of great picks...crap. Kings have been shit for a while now. Bucks have been shit for a long time.
Honestly...all it does is put great prospects into shitty situations that ultimately rob fans of seeing these guys play out their careers at an optimal level.
Should just randomize it in my opinion.
Considering that in all honesty...the draft is a total luck fest after the first pick....randomizing just won't even hurt anyone.
kshutts1
07-30-2014, 01:21 PM
Superstar potential from one of the players:
Detroit, New Orleans, Philly, Milwaukee
Not buying Exum as a superstar, and Lance Stephenson, IMO, will be close. Iguodala with better scoring.
So regardless of depth or anything else offered by other teams, they have no shot in these rankings.
Currently, I'd go Cleveland, New Orleans, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Philly.
But 5 years down the line, as asked in the OP, I expect Philly to be the best team in the league. I absolutely love what they're doing over there.
Edited to include Sacramento, assuming Boogie is under 24. Too lazy to look it up.
kshutts1
07-30-2014, 01:30 PM
As for the draft reform portion of this thread...
The most simple change is to pick all 14 lottery selections. Stop drawing only 3. That instantly evens things out to some extent.
Then, just as the league is proposing, just lessen the increased chance of getting the best pick. Worst team currently gets 25% and fifth gets 8%. WTF.
Instead just have tiers.
All 16 playoff teams get .5% chance. = 8%
1-3 get 10% = 30%
4-7 get 7.5% = 30%
8-11 get 5% = 20%
12-14 get 4% = 12%
That's how it should be done, folks.
Obvious tank-con... Last couple games of the year, teams can jockey for moving down a tier if they are out of playoff contention. But honestly, so many teams "tank" the last couple games of the year anyway, whether for resting or playoff seeding.. that it won't matter.
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 05:44 PM
As for the draft reform portion of this thread...
The most simple change is to pick all 14 lottery selections. Stop drawing only 3. That instantly evens things out to some extent.
Then, just as the league is proposing, just lessen the increased chance of getting the best pick. Worst team currently gets 25% and fifth gets 8%. WTF.
Instead just have tiers.
All 16 playoff teams get .5% chance. = 8%
1-3 get 10% = 30%
4-7 get 7.5% = 30%
8-11 get 5% = 20%
12-14 get 4% = 12%
That's how it should be done, folks.
Obvious tank-con... Last couple games of the year, teams can jockey for moving down a tier if they are out of playoff contention. But honestly, so many teams "tank" the last couple games of the year anyway, whether for resting or playoff seeding.. that it won't matter.
Yea, but with an increased chance of getting a top pick in the lottery...you'll have teams fighting to get into the lottery rather than making the playoffs.
That is the danger I don't like about your proposal. The minute you start giving teams in the 8 to 14 range legit chances to move way up in the draft....the minute you start seeing those teams choosing to go into the lottery rather than make the playoffs.
Why push for the playoffs just to get blown out in round 1 when you have a legit chance at a top 5 pick?
That is the fatal flaw there.
It should be almost fully randomized....that is even better than yours. Tanking is gone. And again, it's not like the current system is providing great results. The Cavs lost Lebron, Magic lost Howard, Nuggets lost Melo, Wolves lost KG and likely Love, Bucks lost Bogut...on and on and on we go.
The draft is already a total luck fest outside the top pick...and the top pick hardly guarantees you anything to begin with.
You can't have the 9th seed in a conference be in a far better position than the 8th seed. And your proposal creates just that. If you alter the odds and give the 9th seed in each conference a better chance to get move up...why would a team ever want to make the 8th seed so they can lose in 5 or so games and potentially miss out on a top 5 pick? Makes no sense...you'd see teams literally bailing out of the playoffs in a way you don't now.
outbreak
07-30-2014, 05:50 PM
the 76ers fighting a change like that is exactly proof of why it needs to happen, immediately.
Not really, it's a terrible idea to change a system with no warning when teams have been operating under the old system. Needs a few years notice. Any system they come up with will still have draw backs, if they let every team have a shot at the lottery how big will the back lash be when a team has a great season then also gets the top pick? if they extend it to bottom 14 teams people will still tank to make it into the bottom 14. I don't know what the solution is myself. You don't want something too complicated, maybe just a system that is the same as it is now except teams who have consecutive years in the lottery have their chances of getting a high pick lowered each year.
Jailblazers7
07-30-2014, 06:41 PM
Btw, this is the proposal that the league submitted:
[QUOTE]The league
Shade8780
07-30-2014, 06:43 PM
How do you leave Olynyk out of the Celtics?
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 06:43 PM
Btw, this is the proposal that the league submitted:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-lottery-reform-is-coming/
Hmmmmm....that will curb all out tanking out of the worst teams, but might encourage some tanking from other teams.
Don't really like it, better than the current system, but not going to prevent teams from adopting the sixers strategy.
Jailblazers7
07-30-2014, 06:46 PM
Hmmmmm....that will curb all out tanking out of the worst teams, but might encourage some tanking from other teams.
Don't really like it.
The article does mention that The Wheel proposal suggested delaying the implementation of the Draft Wheel until all the picks that have been traded have run their course, which would delay implementation until 2019 or whatever. I hadn't considered pick trades but that could be a big reason reform gets delayed.
DMAVS41
07-30-2014, 06:50 PM
The article does mention that The Wheel proposal suggested delaying the implementation of the Draft Wheel until all the picks that have been traded have run their course, which would delay implementation until 2019 or whatever. I hadn't considered pick trades but that could be a big reason reform gets delayed.
yea....i don't like the wheel at all though.
the problem with increasing the odds of better picks for teams is that teams squeaking into the playoffs are losing out on some real chances to get lucky.
I like stopping at 6 better than the other proposal I saw in this thread because it helps lessen that incentive if only the top 6 are picked and then it goes in order.
I still worry about teams having little incentive to fight for the 7th and 8th seed if the odds of them getting better picks is increased with the reforms.
KG215
07-30-2014, 07:13 PM
Let's say .... 24 years old and under.
MIL:
Jabari Parker
Giannis Antetekounmpo
John Henson
Brandon Knight
CLE:
Andrew Wiggins
Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiters
Anthony Bennett
PHI:
Michael Carter-Williams
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid
WAS:
John Wall
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
NOP:
Anthony Davis
Jrue Holiday
Tyreke Evans
TOR:
DeMar DeRozan
Terrence Ross
Jonas Valenciunas
UTAH:
Gordon Hayward
Dante Exum
Trey Burke
Derrick Favors
DET:
Andre Drummond
Greg Monroe
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
CHA:
Lance Stephenson
Kemba Walker
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Noah Vonleh
Cody Zeller
BOS:
Marcus Smart
James Young
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
MIN:
Ricky Rubio
Zach LaVine
Gorgui Dieng
Shabazz Muhammad
Who you nighas think has the best core 5 years from now?
You could probably include this core for OKC and make a case they are comparable to most of the ones you're using:
Steven Adams
Reggie Jackson
Jeremy Lamb
Perry Jones
Mitch McGary
And that's without Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka who are all still 25 or younger.
StephHamann
07-30-2014, 07:22 PM
Pelicans:
Future Hall of Famer Anthony Davis
:bowdown:
BrownEye007
07-30-2014, 08:55 PM
You could probably include this core for OKC and make a case they are comparable to most of the ones you're using:
Steven Adams
Reggie Jackson
Jeremy Lamb
Perry Jones
Mitch McGary
And that's without Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka who are all still 25 or younger.
Steven Adams might be good enough to start someday and Jackson could start on a bad team. Rest are role players at best.
RoundMoundOfReb
07-30-2014, 08:56 PM
Okc...
kshutts1
07-31-2014, 08:08 AM
Yea, but with an increased chance of getting a top pick in the lottery...you'll have teams fighting to get into the lottery rather than making the playoffs.
That is the danger I don't like about your proposal. The minute you start giving teams in the 8 to 14 range legit chances to move way up in the draft....the minute you start seeing those teams choosing to go into the lottery rather than make the playoffs.
Why push for the playoffs just to get blown out in round 1 when you have a legit chance at a top 5 pick?
That is the fatal flaw there.
It should be almost fully randomized....that is even better than yours. Tanking is gone. And again, it's not like the current system is providing great results. The Cavs lost Lebron, Magic lost Howard, Nuggets lost Melo, Wolves lost KG and likely Love, Bucks lost Bogut...on and on and on we go.
The draft is already a total luck fest outside the top pick...and the top pick hardly guarantees you anything to begin with.
You can't have the 9th seed in a conference be in a far better position than the 8th seed. And your proposal creates just that. If you alter the odds and give the 9th seed in each conference a better chance to get move up...why would a team ever want to make the 8th seed so they can lose in 5 or so games and potentially miss out on a top 5 pick? Makes no sense...you'd see teams literally bailing out of the playoffs in a way you don't now.
I noted the potential for teams jockeying for moving up or down a tier in the final games. So that's clearly an issue.
That being said, I'll do my best to list the positives of my idea vs current:
1) All teams have a shot at the first overall pick. Even the title winners.
1a) This means that the 8/9 argument you offered, while valid, was not entirely true and (no offense) somewhat short-sighted. Yes, the 9th pick has a better shot at the first pick, but the 8th pick also has a shot (unlike current system) AND they get playoff money AND they have the chance to advance further into the playoffs. Just because an 8 seed is unlikely to win it all doesn't mean it won't happen. Keep in mind, with increased parity (as we're attempting) comes better 8 seeds, at least relative to 1 seeds.
2) Picking all choices, with tiered % chances, lessens the reason to tank amongst lottery-bound teams. The Bucks had the best odds this past year, and while they didn't get the first pick, they were GUARANTEED a top 4 pick. With my suggestion, considering choosing all selections and the leveled-out % chances, they're guaranteed nothing beyond a top 30 pick. It is most likely that they will get a top 15 pick, though.
3) Bad teams don't need to be "rewarded" but they do need to be "helped". It may appear as a reward, but honestly it's just semantics. That being said, making a fully randomized draft system does not help bad teams. The current system helps too much. I think my idea is a nice compromise between yours and the current system.
4) In direct comment to "why push for the playoffs ... when you have a legit chance at a top 5 pick"... Go back to point 1a. But again, the current system offers nothing but a monetary/fan happiness reward for barely squeaking into the playoffs. My system still offers a shot at the top pick. Perhaps the numbers could be worked on, so that each of the last sixteen teams has a declining shot at the top pick.. something like 1.25% for 8seeds, 1 for 7, .75 for 6, .35, .25, .2, .125, .075.
That still adds up to the proper amount.
4a) Doing the declining %s by seeding raises the obvious issue of conference strength. I supposed it would be easier/better to do that by record, again, and just group together the worst two, next two, etc.
I don't believe I know everything, or that my ideas are perfect. But I do think it's a good balance, and with some tweaking could be much better than the current system.
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