Game 7 2000 Western conference finals - The cold hard truth...

[stalkerforlife]

The Lakers never even sniff their first title without Kobe Bryant.

Kobe Bryant - 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat in the most crucial 4th quarter that team ever faced. Kobe played magnificent defense.

Shaq - 18 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, and only 1 block.

That was the real finals, folks. You can sit here and boost up Shaq's finals MVP all you like, but every logical person knows the LA/Portland series was the REAL finals.

Kobe is top 5 all time.

[L.A.Hawks]

exactly.

people trying to look under rugs and couches to find any dirt they can on kobe cuz they are so terrified that their precious princess players like lebron or carmelo or whoever wont ever come close to having the real respect that kobe EARNED in his astonishing career.

[navy]

Rigged.

[GODbe]

GOAT gonna GOAT:pimp: .

[Beastmode88]

Explain 2006 and 2011 please.

[Roundball_Rock]

I agree the WCF was the legitimate Finals back then--but the turning point in that game was the 5th "foul" on Sabonis...

:cry:

[L.A.Hawks]

Explain 2006 and 2011 please.


2006? you mean the year he scored 81 points in a game. stfu. dont reply. idiot.

[Beastmode88]

2006? you mean the year he scored 81 points in a game. stfu. dont reply. idiot.

Not gonna take anything away from that but how do you explain him quitting when the lakers were up 3-1 vs the suns then getting stomped?

[L.A.Hawks]

Not gonna take anything away from that but how do you explain him quitting when the lakers were up 3-1 vs the suns then getting stomped?

i dont recall him quitting?

[tragicbronson]

Rigged.

I don't know why people call that game rigged, cause Lakers shot more free throws or what? I hate rigging and i am sure not a lakers fan so i wanted to check out if this game was really rigged and after i watched it i just couldn't understand, is this because of some hate or jealousy because blazers were really good but they just like stopped playing in the 4th quarter while Lakers were on fire and looked like a better team who wants it more and blazers looked like they are afraid of winning that game.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

shaq>kobe, stay mad op

[Fudge]

Kobe is god. God is Kobe.

[L.A. Jazz]

A game i watched live back then. 2 of my favorites (Kobe and Pippen) againstg eachother. To this day i cant understand why Pippen couldnt do something to stop the Lakers or their momentum. He was just another soldier like the other Blazers.

[SOD 21]

It is a team game, folks.

The thing that stands out more than anything in that game seven of the Western Conference finals is that the Los Angeles Lakers were trailing by 15 points in the fourth quarter and made the largest fourth-quarter comeback conference finals history, if I remember correctly.

The role players for Los Angeles Lakers, like Brian Shaw, started getting hot from distance and quickly brought Los Angeles back into that game for Kobe/Shaq to close it.

[edrick]

You mean, someone that attempted 10 more shots scored more points? 10 more shot attempts to score 7 more points, what a god. :bowdown:

[Roundball_Rock]

A game i watched live back then. 2 of my favorites (Kobe and Pippen) againstg eachother. To this day i cant understand why Pippen couldnt do something to stop the Lakers or their momentum. He was just another soldier like the other Blazers.

He dislocated his finger in the middle of Game 5. He was shooting 47% in the series up to that point; thereafter he shot 30%. Prior to the injury he was aggressive in Game 5 and finished with 22/6/3/6/4 to stave off elimination. His shot was too off for him to be effective as a scorer in Games 6 and 7 (or in the second half of Game 5).

The game was lost equally on defense and offense in the fourth. LA scored 31 fourth quarter points.

[ralph_i_el]

2006? you mean the year he scored 81 points in a game. stfu. dont reply. idiot.
81points on the worst defensive team that gave up and started putting bench players on him. Might as well have been an exhibition

[L.A. Jazz]

He dislocated his finger in the middle of Game 5. He was shooting 47% in the series up to that point; thereafter he shot 30%. Prior to the injury he was aggressive in Game 5 and finished with 22/6/3/6/4 to stave off elimination. His shot was too off for him to be effective as a scorer in Games 6 and 7 (or in the second half of Game 5).

The game was lost equally on defense and offense in the fourth. LA scored 31 fourth quarter points.

I didnt know about the finger. but i missed his impact all around because thats was his biggest strength. the Blazers as a team got crushed. they gave the Lakers hope.

to the stupid Shaq-Kobe discussion. Shaq was playing really good and he mostly made the right moves. The Blazers wanted to stop him and let the other players beat them. And Kobe, Shaw, Horry... stepped up just in time.

[magic chiongson]

the western conference finals has been the real nba finals 90% of the time since jordan retired for the 2nd time.

[pegasus]

And that's why Kobe has 5 rings, and not 2+3.

[riseagainst]

the crazy thing is that Shaq only took 9 shots that game. I wonder if it was Kobe who took all his shots or Shaq was just playing passively and passed up on posting up.

[Roundball_Rock]

I didnt know about the finger. but i missed his impact all around because thats was his biggest strength. the Blazers as a team got crushed. they gave the Lakers hope.


Pippen was in foul trouble too. Both Sabonis and Pippen would foul out. It is a shame, the game turned on ticky tack fouls on Sabonis that had no business being called in a Game 7 that was, effectively, going to decide who the champ would be. Ironically, these same refs let a legitimate Kobe foul on Sabonis at the end of Game 4 go on those grounds, costing Portland a chance to win that game and tie the series.

[livinglegend]

I don't know why people call that game rigged, cause Lakers shot more free throws or what? I hate rigging and i am sure not a lakers fan so i wanted to check out if this game was really rigged and after i watched it i just couldn't understand, is this because of some hate or jealousy because blazers were really good but they just like stopped playing in the 4th quarter while Lakers were on fire and looked like a better team who wants it more and blazers looked like they are afraid of winning that game.

Probably because the phantom calls on Sabonis decided the game and made the ''comeback'' happen.

[Roundball_Rock]

Probably because the phantom calls on Sabonis decided the game and made the ''comeback'' happen.

Yeah. I don't think it was rigged but Portland did suffer from unfavorable refereeing. If they were calling everything tight that would be one thing but Kobe fouled Sabonis going for the win at the end of a game and the refs swallowed their whistle in that case. That put Portland down 2-1 yet all of sudden they wanted to call ticky tack fouls on Sabonis in the fourth quarter of Game 7?

Portland, rightfully, gets criticized for the meltdown in the final 10 minutes--but people forget the heart they showed to even force a Game 7 after falling behind 3-1.

[livinglegend]

Yeah. I don't think it was rigged but Portland did suffer from unfavorable refereeing. If they were calling everything tight that would be one thing but Kobe fouled Sabonis going for the win at the end of a game and the refs swallowed their whistle in that case. That put Portland down 2-1 yet all of sudden they wanted to call ticky tack fouls on Sabonis in the fourth quarter of Game 7?

Portland, rightfully, gets criticized for the meltdown in the final 10 minutes--but people forget the heart they showed to even force a Game 7 after falling behind 3-1.

Not rigged, but the refs were biased toward the Lakers. They were probably told by the league to favor the Lakers ( bigger stars, bigger market, better ratings...). With fair officiating, the Blazers would have won the championship.

[Optimus Prime]

14 years later...

Kobe "still living rent free" in all the haters' minds, as they say.

:kobe:

[Duggrr]

:( :( :( :( :(

[AlphaWolf24]

...early 2000's Portland had great teams....Pip , D staud, Sheed , Steve Smith,Malik....:bowdown:


Alltime great series...Alltime great comeback......the start of the dynasty

[JtotheIzzo]

The Lakers never even sniff their first title without Kobe Bryant.

Kobe Bryant - 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat in the most crucial 4th quarter that team ever faced. Kobe played magnificent defense.

Shaq - 18 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 turnovers, and only 1 block.

That was the real finals, folks. You can sit here and boost up Shaq's finals MVP all you like, but every logical person knows the LA/Portland series was the REAL finals.

Kobe is top 5 all time.


Shaqbe

[SouBeachTalents]

It is a team game, folks.

The thing that stands out more than anything in that game seven of the Western Conference finals is that the Los Angeles Lakers were trailing by 15 points in the fourth quarter and made the largest fourth-quarter comeback conference finals history, if I remember correctly.

The role players for Los Angeles Lakers, like Brian Shaw, started getting hot from distance and quickly brought Los Angeles back into that game for Kobe/Shaq to close it.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110412235023/uncyclopedia/images/1/15/Capt._Obvious.jpg

[ImKobe]

And people say Kobe was a non-factor for the 2000 championship run

Kobe averaged 23/4/5 with 1.6 spg 1.5 bpg on 46/37/74 shooting in the WC Playoffs and had 3 decent Finals games out of 5 (in one of them he also went out with a sprained ankle having played 9 minutes and in one of them Lakers lost by 30 so even if he played up to his average, it's still a blowout).

[SamuraiSWISH]

A game i watched live back then. 2 of my favorites (Kobe and Pippen) againstg eachother. To this day i cant understand why Pippen couldnt do something to stop the Lakers or their momentum. He was just another soldier like the other Blazers.
Because he was never a closer. He didn't have the scoring repertoire to put a team away.

[97 bulls]

It is a team game, folks.

The thing that stands out more than anything in that game seven of the Western Conference finals is that the Los Angeles Lakers were trailing by 15 points in the fourth quarter and made the largest fourth-quarter comeback conference finals history, if I remember correctly.

The role players for Los Angeles Lakers, like Brian Shaw, started getting hot from distance and quickly brought Los Angeles back into that game for Kobe/Shaq to close it.
I think its overrated when put into context. The Blazers entered the.fourth with a 13 point lead. Wells scored on the first play of the fourth to pump it up to 15, then they exchanged baskets then Shaw hut a three to cut it to 10 with roughly 9 minutes to go. Hardly an insurmountable lead.

[Roundball_Rock]

I think its overrated when put into context. The Blazers entered the.fourth with a 13 point lead. Wells scored on the first play of the fourth to pump it up to 15, then they exchanged baskets then Shaw hut a three to cut it to 10 with roughly 9 minutes to go. Hardly an insurmountable lead.

Great points. A similar thing happened in Game 7 of the 12' ECF, the only difference is Boston went from a small lead to a 13 point loss while the Blazers went from a double digit lead to a narrow loss. I think it is remembered so much because it was the dawn of the Shaq-Kobe dynasty.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Troll thread, but what the hell.

Shaq was still the MVP of the series by far. Despite being doubled or tripled on the catch usually by excellent defenders Pippen and Sheed for pretty much the entire series, Shaq still led LA averaging 26/12/4 in the series compared to Kobe's 20/5/6. And Kobe was the one with the dominant match up at times since Portland even had Damon Stoudamire guarding him a decent amount. Plus, Portland was able to exploit Kobe in the post quite a bit that series, particularly with Steve Smith, but Pippen and to a lesser extent, Bonzi Wells, also had some success when they posted up Kobe.

In addition to that, Shaq was the one leading the 15 point 4th quarter comeback with his dominant play at both ends. And while Kobe was in fact the best player for the entire game 7, he was a virtual no-show for the first 5 games averaging just 17 ppg on 40.6% shooting. Who knows? The Lakers may have ended it in 5 when Shaq had 31/21 had Kobe showed up instead of 17 points on 4/13 shooting.

And even though Kobe scored 33 in game 6, that's a bit deceptive because Portland firmly had control of the game and Kobe had been scoreless in the 4th until there were less than 3 minutes remaining before hitting 3 consecutive 3s, but that still only made it a 9 point game with less than 2 minutes remaining because LA was trading baskets and Sheed then came out to block one of Kobe's 3 point attempts breaking his streak and while Kobe would hit another one to make it an 8 point game, there were only 40.6 seconds left at that point and that's as close as LA got.

So you can say Kobe was the MVP of game 7, but the series? No chance in hell. And Kobe was a great two-way guard in 2000, arguably a top 10 player and very impressive for a 21 year old, but not even close to peak Shaq in play, impact or value.

[Baby Arm Johnso]

any mention of the Lakers come from behind victory in game 7 of the 2000 WCF has to mention B Shaw! B Shaw saved their arsed that game

[stalkerforlife]

Troll thread, but what the hell.

Shaq was still the MVP of the series by far. Despite being doubled or tripled on the catch usually by excellent defenders Pippen and Sheed for pretty much the entire series, Shaq still led LA averaging 26/12/4 in the series compared to Kobe's 20/5/6. And Kobe was the one with the dominant match up at times since Portland even had Damon Stoudamire guarding him a decent amount. Plus, Portland was able to exploit Kobe in the post quite a bit that series, particularly with Steve Smith, but Pippen and to a lesser extent, Bonzi Wells, also had some success when they posted up Kobe.

In addition to that, Shaq was the one leading the 15 point 4th quarter comeback with his dominant play at both ends. And while Kobe was in fact the best player for the entire game 7, he was a virtual no-show for the first 5 games averaging just 17 ppg on 40.6% shooting. Who knows? The Lakers may have ended it in 5 when Shaq had 31/21 had Kobe showed up instead of 17 points on 4/13 shooting.

And even though Kobe scored 33 in game 6, that's a bit deceptive because Portland firmly had control of the game and Kobe had been scoreless in the 4th until there were less than 3 minutes remaining before hitting 3 consecutive 3s, but that still only made it a 9 point game with less than 2 minutes remaining because LA was trading baskets and Sheed then came out to block one of Kobe's 3 point attempts breaking his streak and while Kobe would hit another one to make it an 8 point game, there were only 40.6 seconds left at that point and that's as close as LA got.

So you can say Kobe was the MVP of game 7, but the series? No chance in hell. And Kobe was a great two-way guard in 2000, arguably a top 10 player and very impressive for a 21 year old, but not even close to peak Shaq in play, impact or value.

5 > 4

How does that ass taste?

[SouBeachTalents]

5 > 4

How does that ass taste?

3 Finals MVP's > 2 Finals MVP's

[stalkerforlife]

3 Finals MVP's > 2 Finals MVP's

31,700 and counting > 28, 596.

[SouBeachTalents]

31,700 and counting > 28, 596.

By that logic, Karl Malone > Jordan

[stalkerforlife]

By that logic, Karl Malone > Jordan

Karl Malone - 19 seasons.

Jordan - 15 seasons.

How does that ass taste?

[Big#50]

Troll thread, but what the hell.

Shaq was still the MVP of the series by far. Despite being doubled or tripled on the catch usually by excellent defenders Pippen and Sheed for pretty much the entire series, Shaq still !led LA averaging 26/12/4 in the series compared to Kobe's 20/5/6. And Kobe was the one with the dominant match up at times since Portland even had Damon Stoudamire guarding him a decent amount. Plus, Portland was able to exploit Kobe in the post quite a bit that series, particularly with Steve Smith, but Pippen and to a lesser extent, Bonzi Wells, also had some success when they posted up Kobe.

In addition to that, Shaq was the one leading the 15 point 4th quarter comeback with his dominant play at both ends. And while Kobe was in fact the best player for the entire game 7, he was a virtual no-show for the first 5 games averaging just 17 ppg on 40.6% shooting. Who knows? The Lakers may have ended it in 5 when Shaq had 31/21 had Kobe showed up instead of 17 points on 4/13 shooting.

And even though Kobe scored 33 in game 6, that's a bit deceptive because Portland firmly had control of the game and Kobe had been scoreless in the 4th until there were less than 3 minutes remaining before hitting 3 consecutive 3s, but that still only made it a 9 point game with less than 2 minutes remaining because LA was trading baskets and Sheed then came out to block one of Kobe's 3 point attempts breaking his streak and while Kobe would hit another one to make it an 8 point game, there were only 40.6 seconds left at that point and that's as close as LA got.

So you can say Kobe was the MVP of game 7, but the series? No chance in hell. And Kobe was a great two-way guard in 2000, arguably a top 10 player and very impressive for a 21 year old, but not even close to peak Shaq in play, impact or value.
Sabonis got a raw deal this series.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Sabonis got a raw deal this series.

A couple of bad foul calls in game 7, same with the foul Shaq got away with vs Smith at the end of game 7, though LA were still in the better position at that point, and had the better chance to win that game even though Kobe missed 2 free throws after that. But there were times Shaq wasn't getting blatant calls as well such as here when Brian Grant was trying to hold his arm down, no call and Shaq still gets the offensive board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MYTeBGFql8#t=0m35s

In the end, Portland had the more talented team, most of the match up advantages with their bigger guards posting up and absolutely nobody who had a shot at guarding Sheed as well as a 15 point 4th quarter lead in game 7, but they lost the lead by missing a ridiculous amount of shots in a row. That's what it comes down to more than anything else.

[sportjames23]

GOAT gonna GOAT:pimp: .


MJ didn't play in that series.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

MJ didn't play in that series.
MJ = GOATa
Kobe = GOATb

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ = GOATa
Kobe = GOATb

:roll:

[riseagainst]

Troll thread, but what the hell.

Shaq was still the MVP of the series by far. Despite being doubled or tripled on the catch usually by excellent defenders Pippen and Sheed for pretty much the entire series, Shaq still led LA averaging 26/12/4 in the series compared to Kobe's 20/5/6. And Kobe was the one with the dominant match up at times since Portland even had Damon Stoudamire guarding him a decent amount. Plus, Portland was able to exploit Kobe in the post quite a bit that series, particularly with Steve Smith, but Pippen and to a lesser extent, Bonzi Wells, also had some success when they posted up Kobe.

In addition to that, Shaq was the one leading the 15 point 4th quarter comeback with his dominant play at both ends. And while Kobe was in fact the best player for the entire game 7, he was a virtual no-show for the first 5 games averaging just 17 ppg on 40.6% shooting. Who knows? The Lakers may have ended it in 5 when Shaq had 31/21 had Kobe showed up instead of 17 points on 4/13 shooting.

And even though Kobe scored 33 in game 6, that's a bit deceptive because Portland firmly had control of the game and Kobe had been scoreless in the 4th until there were less than 3 minutes remaining before hitting 3 consecutive 3s, but that still only made it a 9 point game with less than 2 minutes remaining because LA was trading baskets and Sheed then came out to block one of Kobe's 3 point attempts breaking his streak and while Kobe would hit another one to make it an 8 point game, there were only 40.6 seconds left at that point and that's as close as LA got.

So you can say Kobe was the MVP of game 7, but the series? No chance in hell. And Kobe was a great two-way guard in 2000, arguably a top 10 player and very impressive for a 21 year old, but not even close to peak Shaq in play, impact or value.


he's back!!!

:bowdown:

[Finger Roll]

shaqattack with the ether post

[Stringer Bell]

You mean, someone that attempted 10 more shots scored more points? 10 more shot attempts to score 7 more points, what a god. :bowdown:

:oldlol: