Westbrook had 45 offensive rebounds in the playoffs last year. LeBron had 14.

[russwest0]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

How was there THAT big of a disparity between the two in that regard?

[Cocaine80s]

because durant bricked so many shots . that is why

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Miami doesn't go for offensive rebounds much...they usually put more of an emphasis on getting back

[J Shuttlesworth]

How many did bosh have?

[russwest0]

How many did bosh have?

24.

[Bless Mathews]

because durant bricked so many shots . that is why
Semi-slay.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebrons rebounding numbers are so overrated.

Offensive rebounds are a better way of determining who is the better rebounder, except of course for guys who camp out at the 3p line

WB> Lebron when it comes to rebounding.

[TheMarkMadsen]

24.


See ya Jesus

[J Shuttlesworth]

See ya Jesus
So it's acceptable for a center/PF to be outrebounded by a PG?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Westbrook wanted it more.

[Big#50]

How many over the back fouls did he get away with? Im gonna say about 38.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Just curious though... what does it mean to say that someone's rebounding numbers are overrated? Are there certain situations where you shouldn't be getting the rebound? Is it even possible to stat pad rebounds? You get a defensive rebound to avoid an extra possession for the opponent... How can rebound #s be overrated?

[JT123]

Just curious though... what does it mean to say that someone's rebounding numbers are overrated? Are there certain situations where you shouldn't be getting the rebound? Is it even possible to stat pad rebounds? You get a defensive rebound to avoid an extra possession for the opponent... How can rebound #s be overrated?
Come on man, you can't expect a Kobe stan to say anything that actually makes sense. :lol Same idiots who say being efficient is overrated, cause maximizing your team's possessions and preventing fast breaks is bad! :no:

[SyRyanYang]

Just curious though... what does it mean to say that someone's rebounding numbers are overrated? Are there certain situations where you shouldn't be getting the rebound? Is it even possible to stat pad rebounds? You get a defensive rebound to avoid an extra possession for the opponent... How can rebound #s be overrated?

Because offensive rebound>defensive rebound
Let's say 2 players both average 8rpg, the first one has 5def+3off, the second one averages 8def+0off
Can we say the latter is overrated compared to the former?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I sort of get how a big can "steal" or "statpad" rebounds...(not contesting shots at the rim etc..) but i have no clue how a wing player does it...especially since if im the heat id much rather see lebron come down with it and start a fast-break than to see Bosh grab it and pass it to chalmers...makes no sense

[JT123]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

How was there THAT big of a disparity between the two in that regard?
1. I'm sure the Heat shot a much higher percentage than OKC did, meaning less offensive boards to be had.
2. The Heat by design don't go after offensive rebounds.
3. Westbrook probably played a lot more minutes than Lebron in the postseason. The Heat played 20 playoff games, while the Thunder played 19. But the Thunder played 6 overtime games, while the Heat played none.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because offensive rebound>defensive rebound
Let's say 2 players both average 8rpg, the first one has 5def+3off, the second one averages 8def+0off
Can we say the latter is overrated compared to the former?

I don't see that as making sense. Both offensive and defensive rebounds will gain you the possession. All that means is that the guy who got 3 offensive boards wasn't putting up enough fight on the defensive rebounding side. If you don't get defensive rebounds, you're giving the other team more opportunities to score.

[SyRyanYang]

I don't see that as making sense. Both offensive and defensive rebounds will gain you the possession. All that means is that the guy who got 3 offensive boards wasn't putting up enough fight on the defensive rebounding side. If you don't get defensive rebounds, you're giving the other team more opportunities to score.

The defending team is usually in a better position to grab defensive rebounds, I'd say boxing out is more valuable than get the rebound itself.

[JT123]

I don't see that as making sense. Both offensive and defensive rebounds will gain you the possession. All that means is that the guy who got 3 offensive boards wasn't putting up enough fight on the defensive rebounding side. If you don't get defensive rebounds, you're giving the other team more opportunities to score.
:applause: Offensive rebounding is only valuable to teams that can't shoot, like the Grizzlies and Bulls. Efficient teams like the Spurs and Heat rely on defensive boards more because they know that most nights they will score enough points to win, they just need to limit the other teams possessions.

[J Shuttlesworth]

The defending team is usually in a better position to grab defensive rebounds, I'd say boxing out is more valuable than get the rebound itself.
Ok but let's use the example of 5 def, 3 off vs. 8 defensive rebounds.

Obviously, both of those are good numbers, but it's hard to definitively say the guy w/ offensive rebounds is better. That could just mean that they didn't get enough defensive boards, and ended up giving the other team extra possessions. If you have a team like the Heat who was 2nd or 3rd worst in the league at rebounding, but also shoots the highest FG% in the league, I'd say securing defensive rebounds ends up being more important than offensive boards. The Heat don't really gear their style towards offensive boards anyway, and always focused on getting back on defense after a shot. They want to prevent fast breaks from happening.

[russwest0]

Yeah but to be 6'8 and one of the best athletes ever for basketball and have a guy 6 inches shorter than you get THREE TIMES as many rebounds as you?

The fukk??

The whole point is, LeBrons rebounding abilities, at least of late, are severely overrated. As is his defense. Still an amazing offensive player nonetheless.

[Trollsmasher]

Just curious though... what does it mean to say that someone's rebounding numbers are overrated? Are there certain situations where you shouldn't be getting the rebound? Is it even possible to stat pad rebounds? You get a defensive rebound to avoid an extra possession for the opponent... How can rebound #s be overrated?
You did not get an echo? LeBron was supposed to give up those defensive rebounds to the superior rebounders on his team. Because Miami was such a great rebounding team that they could afford this kind of shenanigans:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yeah but to be 6'8 and one of the best athletes ever for basketball and have a guy 6 inches shorter than you get THREE TIMES as many rebounds as you?

The fukk??

The whole point is, LeBrons rebounding abilities, at least of late, are severely overrated. As is his defense. Still an amazing offensive player nonetheless.
Westbrook probably got more offensive rebounds than Duncan, or anyone this playoffs for that matter. He almost doubled Durant's count too... Does that make Durant pathetic?

And lol @ this whole idea that defensive rebounds are overrated. The shit the haters come up with these days :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

Remember when LeBron got 10 rpg in 2012 Finals while Durant and Westbrook got just 6 rpg each?:lol

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Russwest0 is getting exponentially worse. At least as FreshKid he was occasionally funny. Now he is just a sad bitch.

[raprap]

Westbrook :applause:

[Nick Young]

Offensive rebounds don't win titles. Westbrook should have been getting back on D and preventing the easy fast break points from the opposing pointguards he kept giving up instead of crashing the boards like a fool:facepalm

[NumberSix]

When you actually get back on defense, you're not standing around the rim fishing for rebounds.

[russwest0]

When you actually get back on defense, you're not standing around the rim fishing for rebounds.

Yes, because LeBron is always the first back on defense. :applause: :lol

[K Xerxes]

PGs rarely go for offensive rebounds because:

a) They're smaller than everyone else so are unlikely to get it
b) The opposing PGs don't generally sink in to grab a rebound
c) It's more beneficial for them to stay back to be in position for a fast break than gamble for an offensive rebound and be out of position, especially if the opposing PG gets ahead of them and leads a fast break.

Westbrook is athletic enough to get a lot of them, but he will put his team at risk on a lot of situations. His entire play style relies on gambling on offense and defense, so you live with it.

[East_Stone_Ya]

mods why is OP allowed to post?

[russwest0]

PGs rarely go for offensive rebounds because:

a) They're smaller than everyone else so are unlikely to get it
b) The opposing PGs don't generally sink in to grab a rebound
c) It's more beneficial for them to stay back to be in position for a fast break than gamble for an offensive rebound and be out of position, especially if the opposing PG gets ahead of them and leads a fast break.

Westbrook is athletic enough to get a lot of them, but he will put his team at risk on a lot of situations. His entire play style relies on gambling on offense and defense, so you live with it.

Right, so surely if this was such a detriment, he'd have a low total rebound percentage from risking it so much.

But that isn't the case, at all. And fukking lol @ LeBron getting so low offensive boards because he's surely the first one back on defense for the Heat every play... again.. fukking lol....

Not everybody has the motor that westbrook has and thats why they won't match his production on the glass. Hell, I don't think that any player in the NBA today can match his motor.

[SexSymbol]

Just curious though... what does it mean to say that someone's rebounding numbers are overrated? Are there certain situations where you shouldn't be getting the rebound? Is it even possible to stat pad rebounds? You get a defensive rebound to avoid an extra possession for the opponent... How can rebound #s be overrated?
Of course, you can take those meaningless rebounds when the other team is on defense and nobody's challenging you. Not an impact on the game whatsoever

[Hoopz2332]

he had so many because he and Durant (and everyone else on the Thunder) were shooting nothing but bricks. The Heat shot high Fg%'s so obviously that means less offensive rebounds:applause:

[russwest0]

he had so many because he and Durant (and everyone else on the Thunder) were shooting nothing but bricks. The Heat shot high Fg%'s so obviously that means less offensive rebounds:applause:

Ah, so thats why Westbrook had 3x more offensive rebounds than LeBron. The Thunder shot a 3x worse percentage from the field than the Heat did :applause:

[Hoopz2332]

Ah, so thats why Westbrook had 3x more offensive rebounds than LeBron. The Thunder shot a 3x worse percentage from the field than the Heat did :applause:


yep..thunder played a faster pace with more bricks = more off rebounds

[edrick]

The Heat mainly react as though a shot is going in, not crash the boards. The Heat as a team were terrible at rebounding the entire time they were together.

[Da KO King]

Offensive rebounds don't win titles. Westbrook should have been getting back on D and preventing the easy fast break points from the opposing pointguards he kept giving up instead of crashing the boards like a fool:facepalm
:cheers:

This right here is spot on. Westbrook need to crash the offensive glass hurts more than it helps. It's jsut another part of why coaches and scouts around the league aren't as high on him as the media and fans are.

[kshutts1]

Right, so surely if this was such a detriment, he'd have a low total rebound percentage from risking it so much.

But that isn't the case, at all. And fukking lol @ LeBron getting so low offensive boards because he's surely the first one back on defense for the Heat every play... again.. fukking lol....

Not everybody has the motor that westbrook has and thats why they won't match his production on the glass. Hell, I don't think that any player in the NBA today can match his motor.
No one in the NBA can match Westbrook's motor, and that's a big, big reason he's one of my favorite players. But can't you be a fan without being an idiot stan/troll?

And Xerxes' point was incredibly valid. Even if Westbrook has a ridiculously high RBD% from crashing the offensive glass, for every one that he misses, his team is, in theory, at a higher risk of fast break points, or at least giving up a good shot quickly (even if it doesn't qualify as fast break).

Granted, the Thunder can game-plan around Westbrook crashing, and send back the SG and SF more often... but I don't trust their coaching staff to make that recognition and change.

Not saying Westbrook shouldn't crash, but you need to recognize the inherent risk it provides. I still have him as a top 3-5 player in the league, though.

[tmacattack33]

Lebrons rebounding numbers are so overrated.

Offensive rebounds are a better way of determining who is the better rebounder, except of course for guys who camp out at the 3p line

WB> Lebron when it comes to rebounding.

Actually, Lebron's rebounding numbers are underrated.

Defensive rebounds are a better way of determining who is the better rebounder, because the offensive rebound stat is skewed for people who get back on defense and are counted on to be the free safety on defense like Lebron is.

[russwest0]

Actually, Lebron's rebounding numbers are underrated.

Defensive rebounds are a better way of determining who is the better rebounder, because the offensive rebound stat is skewed for people who get back on defense and are counted on to be the free safety on defense like Lebron is.

Did you just use "LeBron" and "get back on defense" in the same sentence?

LMAO

[choppermagic]

Because Lebron fans including ESPN only care about FG% so offensive rebounds dont fall into that. If they started calculating % of rebounds per attempt, maybe Lebron would care.

[G.O.A.T]

The correct answer is small sample size. For their careers' Westbrook is a noticeably better offensive rebounder. LeBron has never been one to crash the boards much. More of defensive rebounding guy, in that regard he is considerably better than Westbrook as you'd expect.

[GimmeThat]

do you want to help your teammates create the best percentage shots possible, or let teammates who takes the best percentage shots take the shots?

[K Xerxes]

Right, so surely if this was such a detriment, he'd have a low total rebound percentage from risking it so much.

But that isn't the case, at all. And fukking lol @ LeBron getting so low offensive boards because he's surely the first one back on defense for the Heat every play... again.. fukking lol....

Not everybody has the motor that westbrook has and thats why they won't match his production on the glass. Hell, I don't think that any player in the NBA today can match his motor.

From a strategic standpoint, most point guards in the NBA don't go for offensive rebounds unless it's a long rebound. Westbrook is an unusual case. I'm guessing he is either athletic enough for Brooks to consider it advantageous over a full game, or he has no control over Westbrook.

Did you even read my post? I didn't even mention Lebron...