Emmanuel Mudiay could possibly change the rules of the NCAA

[Cocaine80s]

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/will-emmanuel-mudiay-s-jump-to-china-be-the-start-of-a-trend-for-recruits-203740980-nba.html


Basically what the article is saying is that if Mudiay succeeds in China and becomes a lottery pick next year, the NCAA might start rethinking its rules. This could spark a chain reaction that leads more top recruits to play overseas. The NCAA would then probably have to provide more benefits or maybe even pay the student athletes. Mudiay will make over a million for 5 months worth of play. He can return to the U.S by spring, long before the draft.

Also it brings up a good point about jennings and rubio. They struggled in europe and that might have brought their stocks down. However in China, where Mudiay signed, foreign players like him are pretty much granted special treatment. The writer said that its actually looked down upon for a foreigner to pass up a shot and set up his teammate. Plus the writer says that foreigner stats are heavily inflated and will make them look better than they are.

TLDR: China=GOAT league for top recruits

[russwest0]

yeah the NCAA not paying college athletes is a crime.

[SpanishACB]

In China, the level of play is far more casual. There is rudimentary coaching according to American players and observers of the league, and defense is often lax. It's not unheard of for American players on opposing teams to engage in wink-and-nod defensive deals to help increase scoring and preserve jobs.
Culturally, American players are expected to score the most points in each game and average between 20 and 30 a contest. It is actually considered wrong for an American to pass up a shot.

This sometimes leads to absurd stat lines, such as former Rutgers player Quincy Douby once pouring in 75 points in a game, journeyman NBA player Bobby Brown going for 74 points and 10 rebounds once this season (he went 26-for-52 from the floor) or onetime Atlanta Hawk Ivan Johnson having a 54-point, 19-rebound effort.

There's abit of truth to this. A bit.
It's still crazy hyperbole and exageration and assumes no one in China has a clue about basketball. It's not the case. And no one is going to frown upon an American for dishing out an assist lol

[flipogb]

I really hope these players start copying him, if you are already a projected NBA then college is pointless. You could still flame out and be a bust but at least you have been paid and you can now go to college anyway with that money.

my theory on why the NCAA still survives is the prestige of being in college, more so in the minds of poor kids who might be the first in their family. they work for free and don't learn sh*t, but momma is proud

[UK2K]

It won't force them to do anything...


Because one dude goes overseas to play doesn't mean anything. The best high schoolers in the world were jumping to the pros before and the NCAA didn't change anything then...

They may change the rules soon, but it has nothing to do with him.

[artificial]

If it's one top 10 prospect every 2-3 years, it won't make a difference.

When 3 or more 1st rounders choose this route every year, then things might change.

[played0ut]

I really hope these players start copying him, if you are already a projected NBA then college is pointless. You could still flame out and be a bust but at least you have been paid and you can now go to college anyway with that money.

my theory on why the NCAA still survives is the prestige of being in college, more so in the minds of poor kids who might be the first in their family. they work for free and don't learn sh*t, but momma is proud

It's much more than prestige. You can learn and refine your fundamental ball skills. MJ and bird refined their fundamentally flawless game in college

[Cocaine80s]

I really hope these players start copying him, if you are already a projected NBA then college is pointless. You could still flame out and be a bust but at least you have been paid and you can now go to college anyway with that money.

my theory on why the NCAA still survives is the prestige of being in college, more so in the minds of poor kids who might be the first in their family. they work for free and don't learn sh*t, but momma is proud
agreed, most of them probably dont even attend their classes.

its pretty much a guaranteed degree for free tho so its not that bad imo.

[BoutPractice]

China is a really, really clever move.

- His stats are going to look at least as good as they would in high school. Quincy Douby once scored 75 points over there... 36 year old Marbury averaged 30, 5 and 5... The ghost of Tracy McGrady averaged 25, 7 and 5.

- ...But unlike high school, he'll be able to say he played "professionally".

- He gets paid a big fat contract.

- He can still be a lottery pick next year.

- When he comes over he'll have a huge Chinese following.

[Euroleague]

The Play

Euroleague is grown man's basketball, with ultra competitive rivalries, coaches focused on winning – not developing teenagers destined to leave at season's end – and opponents who can overwhelm even the most impressive prospect. It has a lengthy schedule, running from October to mid-May. The fans are sophisticated and demand strong play.

Even obvious talents such as Jennings and Ricky Rubio, both instant starters in the NBA, struggled to get off the bench as 18 year olds. Besides the obvious risk to draft stock, it takes a headstrong player to survive that kind of humbling.

In China, the level of play is far more casual. There is rudimentary coaching according to American players and observers of the league, and defense is often lax. It's not unheard of for American players on opposing teams to engage in wink-and-nod defensive deals to help increase scoring and preserve jobs.

Culturally, American players are expected to score the most points in each game and average between 20 and 30 a contest. It is actually considered wrong for an American to pass up a shot.

This sometimes leads to absurd stat lines, such as former Rutgers player Quincy Douby once pouring in 75 points in a game, journeyman NBA player Bobby Brown going for 74 points and 10 rebounds once this season (he went 26-for-52 from the floor) or onetime Atlanta Hawk Ivan Johnson having a 54-point, 19-rebound effort.

"They aren't bringing Emmanuel in to average less than 20 points a game," Funiciello said. "If he averages less than that, then there's a problem."

The basketball may be bastardized, but the risk of being exposed is minimal. And how many young players aren't interested in having a complete green light against weak defenses, all while never having to crack a textbook?

There may not be great skill development (there often isn't in college hoops either) but this is a soft landing spot, nothing like Europe.



But according to ISH's basketball experts, the Euroleague is a lower level than USA high school basketball, and according to people like gabepizza that post here, the Chinese Basketball Association is also better than the Euroleague.........

:rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[mattvNJ]

my fellow scarlet knight quincy da goat douby haha.

Btw shut up euroleague, you guys are bums. No one cares about your vendetta to prove people Euroleague is better than the NBA. Just never gonna happen.

On topic, Mudiay is stepping down a slippery path with this

[AboutBuckets]

STFU Euroleague

[mattvNJ]

But according to ISH's basketball experts, the Euroleague is a lower level than USA high school basketball, and according to people like gabepizza that post here, the Chinese Basketball Association is also better than the Euroleague.........

:rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
the fact you even feel the need to defend Euroleague against the CBA shows the merit and reputation that putrid minor league radiates.

[Thorpesaurous]

We were talking about this in the College/HS forum, so I'll just move my posts from over there:


Nice Little article on Grantland about it, that sort of non-aggressively bashes the NCAA for this. This was a good read, and it's nice to learn a little more about the kid, and still get some insight into the shady business going on.

My favorite excerpt:

[QUOTE]Mudiay was born in Kinshasa, Zaire, now called the Democratic Republic of Congo. His 6-foot-10, 300-pound father died when Mudiay was still a toddler, leaving behind three kids and their mother in a country that was in the middle of a civil war. When his mother immigrated to the U.S. she had to leave her three sons behind for a year, and they lived in Zambia before eventually rejoining their mother.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think when salaries go up in D League, get structured better than we might see some try it. I dont know what the tv deal impacts outside of nba player salaries. I hope some kind of bump in D league salaries is had. Probably a pipe dream as NCAA is a cheap farm system to a degree for nba.


I totally agree. And I totally see this coming. The problem is I don't think they could quite meet some of the foriegn money without undermining some of the Rookie Scale slotted salaries that already exist.

But rumor has it that we're only about two years away from the NBA pushing even harder for a 20 year old max. And the NCAA is not getting any easier on incoming prospects. Now you put that second season in the mix, and it's actually significantly more work. An eligible player can play the first half of their season without any academic concerns. And only have to make due for that first semester to remain eligible for the second half of the season including the tournament. For the known one and doners, it's pretty well established that a lot of them simply stop attending classes altogether once that first semester has been cleared. Adding a second season means they need to work through that second semester to be elligible first half year two. So 1 year equals 1 semester work, 2 years really equals 3 semesters work. And a lot of these guys just aren't interested in it.

It totally feels to me like adding that second year could lead to a real void in the market. If the D-League isn't going to fill it, I for one could envision a secondary league stepping in to fill the void. Guys like Andrew Wiggins are big business long before getting to the NBA. And while they may not draw the casual fan, if there were a league that was giving out two year contracts to all the top prospects coming out of HS, combined with aspiring recent graduates that fell through the cracks, along with whatever other street ball legends or whoever looking to establish themselves, and they were paying a roster say on average 30 million bucks (That's an average of about 2.5 mill a year), then a 10 team league would cost say 400 M to operate, I'd have to wonder what a league like that could generate in TV revenue and arena revenue.

I know that if Wiggins were playing for the Springfield Armory or whoever they are in the D-League I'da gone up there to see him and paid good money. And I'd wonder if it were another league, not the D-League, if some other local networks would be willing to subsidize the league to put themselves in the hoops business. Or could NBA TV use the D-League to create this scenario and increase their add revenue by airing more of these games and really rounding out the league rather than re-airing Dennis Scott saying the same thing 75 times a night. I personally can't believe the money wouldn't be there to make something like this profitable. They're already in the Andrew Wiggins business. And sure the NCAA is a free development arena for them. But you know what's better than a free development arena, a profitable one. With the cottage industry around prospects these days I can't imagine they can't swing a lucrative deal for two years until they become eligible, and still make a profit televising and selling these games. The summer league sure seems profitable based on it's television ratings and it was sold out in Vegas every day.

[ralph_i_el]

But according to ISH's basketball experts, the Euroleague is a lower level than USA high school basketball, and according to people like gabepizza that post here, the Chinese Basketball Association is also better than the Euroleague.........

:rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
No one has ever said either of these things.

It makes sense that young NBA prospects would have trouble getting PT in Europe. Why bother teaching some young gun your system if you aren't going to reap the rewards of their prime?

In the NBA young guys get undeserved PT to help grow their game, because it can make them more valuable in the long run.

No one argues that the seriousness and level of strategy in Euroleague is any lower than the NBA. Its just that all the most talented players want to earn those big NBA contracts. Plus the USA has the most basketball players and the best infrastructure for youth bball, so we produce the most star-level prospects.

[Euroleague]

No one has ever said either of these things.

It makes sense that young NBA prospects would have trouble getting PT in Europe. Why bother teaching some young gun your system if you aren't going to reap the rewards of their prime?

In the NBA young guys get undeserved PT to help grow their game, because it can make them more valuable in the long run.

No one argues that the seriousness and level of strategy in Euroleague is any lower than the NBA. Its just that all the most talented players want to earn those big NBA contracts. Plus the USA has the most basketball players and the best infrastructure for youth bball, so we produce the most star-level prospects.

It's been said thousands of times in this forum, and in dozens of threads YOU POSTED IN.

And Jennings got normal playing time in Europe. He got around 18-19 minutes per game, when most of the best players only average about 25 and typical top players average around 20-22.

That whole "he didn't get minutes" bullshit is a made up excuse by Americans that simply isn't true. He just played bad.

If the NBA had such incredible players as you suggest, the NBA would have more than ONE good team in it, and it would not need to have rules like defensive 3 seconds, no hand checking, "star calls", "special refs treatment" and on and on.

Yet, for some strange reason it has all of that such reffing, it has those kinds of rules, and it only had ONE good team in the entire league last season.

[ralph_i_el]

It's been said thousands of times in this forum, and in dozens of threads YOU POSTED IN.

And Jennings got normal playing time in Europe. he got around 18-19 minutes per game, when most of the best players only average about 25 and typical top players average around 20-22.

That whole "he didn't get minutes" bullshit is a made up excuse by Americans that simply isn't true. He just played bad.

If the NBA had such incredible players as you suggest, the NBA would have more than ONE good team in it, and it would not need to have rules like defensive 3 seconds, no hand checking, "star calls", "special refs treatment" and on and on.

Yet, for some strange reason it has all of that such reffing, it has those kinds of rules, and it only had ONE good team in the entire league last season.


If you honestly think that our American NBA stars wouldn't tear up Europe I can't help you. I actually enjoy European basketball and the FIBA Europe tournament, but I can see the difference. Yes American ball has more improvisation than European ball, but that's because our best players are just better. Kevin Durant and Melo would be completely unstoppable. There are probably 50 NBA players who could be the Euroleage MVP next year.

That being said, a huge number of American role players could be replaced with more effective Euros.

[wang4three]

I'm all for paying players as long as they forgo their scholarship as their paid. No reason for the rest of the student body to also compensate for their free rides.

[Euroleague]

If you honestly think that our American NBA stars wouldn't tear up Europe I can't help you. I actually enjoy European basketball and the FIBA Europe tournament, but I can see the difference. Yes American ball has more improvisation than European ball, but that's because our best players are just better. Kevin Durant and Melo would be completely unstoppable. There are probably 50 NBA players who could be the Euroleage MVP next year.

That being said, a huge number of American role players could be replaced with more effective Euros.

In other words, you are insane and have an IQ below 65.

[Rooster]

my fellow scarlet knight quincy da goat douby haha.

Btw shut up euroleague, you guys are bums. No one cares about your vendetta to prove people Euroleague is better than the NBA. Just never gonna happen.

On topic, Mudiay is stepping down a slippery path with this

Quincy Douby is ballin out of control in Asia just like Andrew Goudeluck in Europe. They are tearing new holes looking like a beast among sacrificial lambs.
Regarding minor leagues like Euroleague, story have been the same. We want their best prospects and they want our scrubs and rejects. Just look at Olympiacos, they have 7 our scrubs in their team.:oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Quincy Douby is ballin out of control in Asia just like Andrew Goudeluck in Europe. They are tearing new holes looking like a beast among sacrificial lambs.
Regarding minor leagues like Euroleague, story have been the same. We want their best prospects and they want our scrubs and rejects. Just look at Olympiacos, they have 7 our scrubs in their team.:oldlol:

Houston Rockets are Olympiacos reject center. The players that Olympiacos CUTS go to Houston to play. The players that even Houston BEGS TO PLAY THERE that are Olympiacos players..........the Olympiacos players tell them to go to hell.

Players that were among the worst Olympiacos players of the last 10 years.....are on the Houston Rockets roster.

And this is a team that makes the playoffs in the Western Conference playoffs.

[Lebron23]

He's projected as the first overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft. What do you think is his ceiling??

[comerb]

But according to ISH's basketball experts, the Euroleague is a lower level than USA high school basketball, and according to people like gabepizza that post here, the Chinese Basketball Association is also better than the Euroleague.........

:rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I don't understand how you haven't been banned from this site yet.

[Lebron23]

He's now one of my favorite young players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlQvu5L0zM0

[Lebron23]

http://blip.tv/ballislife/emmanuel-mudiay-runs-the-show-vs-1-andrew-wiggins-undefeated-huntington-prep-in-front-of-john-calipari-cancer-research-classic-6493641

He out played Wiggins as a Junior.

[Cocaine80s]

He's projected as the first overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft. What do you think is his ceiling??
Reminds me of Derrick rose with john walls body

[Nash]

If NBA makes it mandatory 2 year in college/out of HS then NCAA can kiss all of these players good bye. Nobody will play 2 years for free when you could get millions playing overseas for 2 years. I mean, seeing guys injuries like the one Paul George just took and guys will start thinking that playing for free and risking injury is not worth more than going for the guaranteed millions overseas.

And honestly, shit makes me happy. NCAA needs to stop making all of that money from using these young people.

[Lebron23]

He did scored 18 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in his debut game. But his team won against Ron Artest's team.

He struggled in the first half, but once he adjusted his game he scored his points.