better Big 3 - LBJ+Wade+Bosh or LBJ+Love+Irving

[jzek]

Gotta be the Cavs, right? So if they inferior version of the Big 3 can win 2 out of 4 championships, imagine what the better version can do! :bowdown:

[christian1923]

Wade LBJ and bosh by a mile

[rule1223]

wade at the time lebron joined was 10 times better than love was and bosh is alot better than irving is

[Hoopz2332]

Wade LBJ and bosh by a mile


this

[navy]

Wade >>> Irving
2010-2014 > 2015 Lebron
Bosh >= Love

[FLDFSU]

Miami. The most stacked team of all time.

[Kingwillball]

Ummm Actually right now Love and Irving are better than Bosh and Wade.. At the Time it was Miami big 3..

[Meticode]

Obviously Bosh and Wade would be better right now. We have no idea how Love, Irving and LeBron will mesh. The big advantage the Cavs team has is they everyone is young. LeBron is 29, Love 25 and Irving 22. Time to grow and go through those growing pains.

[mentallooser]

Miami and it's not close. Cleveland really isn't a big 3. It's a good duo with Irving who can pick up slack here and there.

[Cocaine80s]

Miami in 2011 and 12 are better. But I think the cavs big 3 will be better than 2013-14

[russwest0]

At least Wade and Bosh played defense lol

[Meticode]

At least Wade and Bosh played defense lol
I agree.

[Meticode]

I'm just highly interested in seeing what Blatt puts out there.

[Kingwillball]

Miami and it's not close. Cleveland really isn't a big 3. It's a good duo with Irving who can pick up slack here and there.


I disagree COMPLETELY, Love is a better player than Bosh. Better Scorer rebounder and passer. Irving will prove to be a top 5 PG in NBA within 2 years. One of the best finishers in NBA in paint ala Parker and Westbrook plus can knock down outside shots and will get better running an offense. Gm 7 two years ago Bosh 0 points and this years finals Wade was atrocious on both ends while Bosh was a mere role player. Wade and Lebron were redundant(similar players) while Irving gives Cavs something Lebron has never had an Elite PG.

[Kingwillball]

Miami in 2011 and 12 are better. But I think the cavs big 3 will be better than 2013-14


I agree with this

[Meticode]

So many people discounting defense. They just see names and think of offensive stats.

[Milbuck]

Miami in 2011 and 12 are better. But I think the cavs big 3 will be better than 2013-14
This

[Hoopz2332]

The biggest difference is Wade

Wade>>>>>>>>>>IRving

Love>Bosh

Bosh plays better D than Love but Love is better at everything else and more dominant.



Irving is basically a Jameer Nelson level player with more athleticism:banghead:

[Meticode]

The best defense you'll ever see Love play -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LAeZAf7LM0

[Meticode]

Irving is basically a Jameer Nelson level players with more athleticism:banghead:
:biggums: Ummm, no, just no. He's not an elite point guard, but he's definitely in the second tier of good point guards. Dude was the youngest starting point guard in the league last year.

[Warfan]

You're underrating Love's defense. Certainly nothing to write home about, just not as bad as you're making it out to be. I'm confident that if he went to the Cavs (a winning situation) it would make him more motivated to play better defense.





Like someone already said, this big 3 would be better than last seasons big 3 but not 2011-2013...

[Meticode]

You're underrating Love's defense. Certainly nothing to write home about, just not as bad as you're making it out to be. I'm confident that if he went to the Cavs (a winning situation) it would make him more motivated to play better defense.

Like someone already said, this big 3 would be better than last seasons big 3 but not 2011-2013
His defense is below average, just like Irving's.

[secund2nun]

Lebron Love Irving easily.

[Warfan]

His defense is below average, just like Irving's.

He's an underrated man-to-man post defender, but yeah he's a relatively weak help defender. Cavs would probably need a shot-blocker/good help defender to pair with him in the frontcourt.

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie IS an elite point-guard, and a top 10-15 (at very worst) player in the league.

Given Kyrie's skills, along with Wade's age and health issues, there is no way I would consider Wade to be more valuable at this point.

[inclinerator]

irving is the goat 3 pointe rshooter, and love is the goat rebounder

[Meticode]

He's an underrated man-to-man post defender, but yeah he's a relatively weak help defender. Cavs would probably need a shot-blocker/good help defender to pair with him in the frontcourt.
Which the don't have right now. :( I hope if the trade goes down, if we give up Wiggins we somehow get Dieng back. Our true center right now is Varejao, Thompson will probably play center in stretches. Other than that we have Haywood lol.

[Meticode]

Kyrie IS an elite point-guard, and a top 10-15 (at very worst) player in the league
I disagree. No specific order, but I believe are ranked higher than Irving...

LeBron
Durant
Blake
Davis
George
Kobe
Harden
Howard
Westbrook
Curry
Paul
Anthony
Aldridge
Love
Leonard

All of these players are better than Irving to me. This isn't even including players like Wall, Noah or Cousins.

[Meticode]

irving is the goat 3 pointe rshooter, and love is the goat rebounder
He's good, but not GOAT. Hasn't even cracked 40% in a season yet in his career. Was .01 from doing it in his rookie year, but every year since then his shooting has gotten worse.

Everyone says "Irving is going to get a ton of more open shots." And this I agree with, what people don't realize is that Irving was ranked near the bottom in percentage of players who were success on catch and shoot three pointers.

[navy]

Kyrie IS an elite point-guard, and a top 10-15 (at very worst) player in the league.

Given Kyrie's skills, along with Wade's age and health issues, there is no way I would consider Wade to be more valuable at this point.
Kyrie Irving is barely a top ten point guard.

Westbrook
Paul
Curry
Lillard
Wall
Conley
Parker
Bledsoe/Dragic (I have no idea who counts as what)
Lowry

How many people on that list was Irving clearly better than last year?

[bizil]

Gotta roll with LBJ, a peak Wade, and Bosh! U gotta realize only FOUR PERIMETER PLAYERS PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY combined freak athleticism, great scoring, great passing, great rebounding and great defense all in one. That's MJ, Kobe, Bron, and Wade! Having two of them on the squad was epic! They take the pressure off of each other in terms of assists, defense, and scoring. Both are also unselfish players who are used to assuming PG duties. And Bosh is one of the most skilled scoring big men in the L. Who can play away from the basket while Bron and Wade create. Bosh sacrificed being a 24 points 11 rebound big man to be a third wheel.

Kyrie is a stud and is gonna get better. In terms of scoring areas of the floor, he complements Bron better. However, Wade and Bron BOTH have better PG acumen than Irving at this point in his career. So for me the benefit of Kyrie is being to play OFF THE BALL and be a deadeye shooter. In addition to being able to break down a defense as good as anybody. In terms of Love and Bosh, of course give me Love. Is a better stretch big than Bosh, is one of the premier passing big men in the L, AND can be the best rebounder in the L.

[fragokota]

Comparing them by the time they came together, i think it's safe to say that Wade/LBJ/CB si better trio. Wade was at his best while Kyrie has still alot to improve. Love is a bit better than 2010 Bosh but the margin is small.

That's one thing though and chemistry between them is another. Tbh i think Love blends in better with Lebron than Bosh ever did (but that remains to be seen). Wade is ball dominant and so is kyrie, it depends on how cavs use him. Wade and Lbj had a fine chemistry after season one, it remains to be seen if kyrie will benefit from Lebrons game or he will become a spot up shooter (i doubt it even though he's better than Wade in this department).

Anyways, imho Wade being by far the best teammate Lebron ever had is what makes me think that our "big three" is slightly better.

[Meticode]

Kyrie Irving is barely a top ten point guard.

Westbrook
Paul
Curry
Lillard
Wall
Conley
Parker
Bledsoe/Dragic (I have no idea who counts as what)
Lowry

How many people on that list was Irving clearly better than last year?
Irving lands somewhere between 5-10. Probably more towards 10.

People highly overrated Irving. I think he's a great guard, has a ton of room for improvement with him being the youngest starting PG last year, but top 15 player? Please.

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie Irving is barely a top ten point guard.

Westbrook
Paul
Curry
Lillard
Wall
Conley
Parker
Bledsoe/Dragic (I have no idea who counts as what)
Lowry

How many people on that list was Irving clearly better than last year?

Taking age, potential, and fit for the team into account, I honestly don't think I'd trade Kyrie for a single player on that list.

Obviously some of them are better now, or more accomplished (Parker, Paul, WB), but I think Kyrie is right up there with guys like Curry and Lillard among the younger Point-guards.

I'm a big fan of Dragic and also Wall. I've always liked Conley too, but he's no spring chicken anymore himself.

I feel Kyrie has a higher ceiling than most of these guys...and you can't just look at last year; our team was a mess...

I'll have to post this video yet again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR8whdU6NvI

Just look at his dream-shake on Lillard around 1:15, not to mention the crazy ankle-breakers left and right, ridiculous shooting, and obscenely Jordanesque finishing (with either hand) ability.

His passing and court-vision are also very under-rated.

[Kingwillball]

Taking age, potential, and fit for the team into account, I honestly don't think I'd trade Kyrie for a single player on that list.

Obviously some of them are better now, or more accomplished (Parker, Paul, WB), but I think Kyrie is right up there with guys like Curry and Lillard among the younger Point-guards.

I'm a big fan of Dragic and also Wall. I've always liked Conley too, but he's no spring chicken anymore himself.

I feel Kyrie has a higher ceiling than most of these guys...and you can't just look at last year; our team was a mess...

I'll have to post this video yet again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR8whdU6NvI

Just look at his dream-shake on Lillard around 1:20, not to mention the crazy ankle-breakers left and right, ridiculous shooting, and obscenely Jordanesque finishing (with either hand) ability.

His passing and court-vision is also very under-rated.

While I disagree before I agree with you here, Kyrie is EASILY a top 10 PG talent and has potential to be top 5. I would take him over Parker cause of Age/injuries and he is easily better than Conley,Bledsoe ,Lowry. Llilard and Curry only two young ones I may take over Kyrie. Westbrook and Paul of course but not many after that.

[Kingwillball]

Kyrie Irving is barely a top ten point guard.

Westbrook
Paul
Curry
Lillard
Wall
Conley
Parker
Bledsoe/Dragic (I have no idea who counts as what)
Lowry

How many people on that list was Irving clearly better than last year?

The ones in bold I would probably take Irving over considering age and talent. Llilard and Iriving IMO are close, Only 3 I would definitely take is Westbrook,CP3 and Curry.

[navy]

The ones in bold I would probably take Irving over considering age and talent. Llilard and Iriving IMO are close, Only 3 I would definitely take is Westbrook,CP3 and Curry.

I said better than last year. I never mentioned potential.

[Meticode]

I said better than last year. I never mentioned potential.
People manipulate the system to make their own agenda.

[MavsPoke]

Wade is better Kyrie.
Lebron is the same.
Love is better than Bosh.

Guess it depends on the supporting cast and coaching.

[SamuraiSWISH]

'11 - '12: Wade, and Bosh > '14: Irving, and Love
'14: Irving, and Love > '13 - '14: Wade, and Bosh

[FatComputerNerd]

I said better than last year. I never mentioned potential.

Kyrie was pretty good last year. Our team sucked is all. You can't just look at the stats...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoXScndU-qo

[navy]

Kyrie was pretty good last year. Our team sucked is all. You can't just look at the stats...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoXScndU-qo
He was alright. I never said he was terrible. Part of the team sucking was his fault....

[KG215]

Isn't FatComputerNerd the same poster who said Anthony Bennett will be better than Kevin Love? And now this? I like Kyrie and all, but he's not a top 10-15 player in the league at the moment.