Looking at LeBron James' performance in elimination games

[mehyaM24]

45/5/6 vs Celtics - 2009 ECSF, Game 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VzeIvW9ll_4)
37/14/12 vs Magic - 2009 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=48vzI5t4aC4)
45/15/5 on 72% shooting vs Celtics - 2012 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)
37/12/4 vs Spurs - 2013 Finals, Game 7
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)

^just some of his best performances

overall, LeBron averages 32/10/6 on 57%TS in do or die games. best elimination game player of all-time? :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

closeout games are just as pressuring as elimination games. I think they should be grouped together.

[JT123]

GOAT gonna GOAT. :pimp:
Unfortunately the media has brainwashed the masses into thinking guys like Kobe are clutch, but those of us who actually know the game can see the truth. Lebron rescues his teams in elimination games, while Kobe's teammates rescue him in do or die games.

[JT123]

closeout games are just as pressuring as elimination games. I think they should be grouped together.
:facepalm Kobetards.

[KBaller33]

That game 6 vs the celtics was amazing.

[K Xerxes]

Top 2 elimination performer with Jordan. He definitely brings it when his back is against the wall most of the time, though it begs the question why doesn't approach games earlier on in the series with the same desperation mentality.

I remember someone on here saying that LeBron lacks killer instinct, but has surivival instinct instead. Not the worst assessment of him I've seen tbh.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Top 2 elimination performer with Jordan. He definitely brings it when his back is against the wall most of the time, though it begs the question why doesn't approach games earlier on in the series with the same desperation mentality.

I remember someone on here saying that LeBron lacks killer instinct, but has surivival instinct instead. Not the worst assessment of him I've seen tbh.
Applicable

[SouBeachTalents]

Other notable ones

Game 4 down 2-1 to Indy in 2012- 40, 18, 9
2012 ECF Game 7- 31 & 12
2013 ECF Game 6- 32, 8, 4
2013 Finals Game 6- 32, 11, 10

[Mass Debator]

He surely does recognize the importance of elimination-games-stats.

[Hoopz2332]

Top 2 along with Jordan in this regard.:applause:

[jlip]

45/5/6 vs Celtics - 2009 ECSF, Game 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VzeIvW9ll_4)
37/14/12 vs Magic - 2009 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=48vzI5t4aC4)
45/15/5 on 72% shooting vs Celtics - 2012 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)
37/12/4 vs Spurs - 2013 Finals, Game 7
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)

^just some of his best performances

overall, LeBron averages 32/10/6 on 57%TS in do or die games. best elimination game player of all-time? :confusedshrug:

That was game 5 I think.

[TheMarkMadsen]

45/5/6 vs Celtics - 2009 ECSF, Game 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VzeIvW9ll_4)
37/14/12 vs Magic - 2009 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=48vzI5t4aC4)
45/15/5 on 72% shooting vs Celtics - 2012 ECF, Game 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)
37/12/4 vs Spurs - 2013 Finals, Game 7
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O-VzBeOrdAg)

^just some of his best performances

overall, LeBron averages 32/10/6 on 57%TS in do or die games. best elimination game player of all-time? :confusedshrug:

So much fail in this post.

To begin with, game 6 against Orlando wouldn't count as an elimination game by your criteria, it would be considered a close out game.

And those were not Lebrons numbers in the close out game against Orlando.. These were..

25/7/7, 3 turnovers on 40%

And if you're going to cherry pick certain close out games that benefit your agenda then you need to list all the close out games..

[Prometheus]

Top 2 elimination performer with Jordan. He definitely brings it when his back is against the wall most of the time, though it begs the question why doesn't approach games earlier on in the series with the same desperation mentality.

I remember someone on here saying that LeBron lacks killer instinct, but has surivival instinct instead. Not the worst assessment of him I've seen tbh.

That was me. I stand by it.

[Prometheus]

So much fail in this post.

To begin with, game 6 against Orlando wouldn't count as an elimination game by your criteria, it would be considered a close out game.

And those were not Lebrons numbers in the close out game against Orlando.. These were..

25/7/7, 3 turnovers on 40%

And if you're going to cherry pick certain close out games that benefit your agenda then you need to list all the close out games..

Dude... no. They lost the series to Orlando. Game 6 was an elimination game, since Cleveland was down 3-2. Pass the dutch.

[raprap]

Top 2 elimination performer with Jordan. He definitely brings it when his back is against the wall most of the time, though it begs the question why doesn't approach games earlier on in the series with the same desperation mentality.

I remember someone on here saying that LeBron lacks killer instinct, but has surivival instinct instead. Not the worst assessment of him I've seen tbh.
Lebron is a survivor :applause:

[Kvnzhangyay]

That was me. I stand by it.

So doesn't that just mean he has an innate killer intinct it just never shows until elimination games

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dude... no. They lost the series to Orlando. Game 6 was an elimination game, since Cleveland was down 3-2. Pass the dutch.

So then we agree that anytime a team is facing elimination, be it game 4,5,6 or 7 it's an elimination game?

And game 6 against the cavs would count as an elimination game towards Dwight Howard's elimination game stats, as his team eliminated another team

You would agree with this

[Frozen1]

Lebron in times of adversity:

2010 Cleveland Cavaliers - Result: Quit.
2014 Miami Heat - Result: Quit.

Biggest quitter of all time for sure.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg321/crh0831/stir%20fried%20random/Quitness.gif

[Prometheus]

So doesn't that just mean he has an innate killer intinct it just never shows until elimination games

Nah man it's totally different.

Killer instinct is like what a tiger has... or a sociopath... a tiger will sense the weak animal and get excited, knowing it has an opportunity to feed. A tiger will chase when its prey starts to run. A sociopath can sense someone's fear and they become delighted at it. Jordan had killer instinct - when he was on the verge of victory, his drive would elevate to another level and he would "go in for the kill". He could sense when his opponents were losing confidence and it would fuel him to drive the nail in the coffin. Killer instinct is cold-blooded, all about destroying the enemy.

Survival instinct is more like a rhinoceros... or that really strong dorky kid who gets made fun of a lot... a rhino is a passive animal. It just wants to chill and eat green stuff. But if you **** with a rhino to the point that it feels genuinely threatened... you're ****ing dead. It will charge you and maul you so that it can go back to chillin and eating green stuff. Or that big dorky kid. He just wants to draw pictures of dinosaurs and play RPGs. Doesn't want to be bothered. But he's dorky so kids make fun of him. Of course, he's passive, so at first he just takes it. But if you keep ****ing with him, his blood will start to boil... and he has a breaking point where if you cross that line he will beat the dog shit out of you. That's what happened in 2012 against Boston. It's not just that LeBron was about to lose, he was about to lose in humiliating fashion, vanquished by his greatest rivals the year after his epic failure against Dallas. And Rondo, Pierce, Garnett... all those guys HATED him. It was pretty much personal. There was a lot of pent up frustration in that game - he saw what fate seemingly had in store for him and just would not allow himself to go down that way. That shit was mad inspiring.

But killer instinct? No way man. I'm a LeBron fan but he ain't no killer.

[Prometheus]

So then we agree that anytime a team is facing elimination, be it game 4,5,6 or 7 it's an elimination game?

And game 6 against the cavs would count as an elimination game towards Dwight Howard's elimination game stats, as his team eliminated another team

You would agree with this

:facepalm

Yo this is not a difficult concept Madsen. If a win advances your team, it is a close-out game. If a loss eliminates your team, it is an elimination game. Game 7 is automatically both a close-out and elimination game for both teams. Game 6 AGAINST THE CAVS would be a close-out game FOR THE MAGIC. For Cleveland, it was an elimination game... if you're still confused after this post then I give up.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron in times of adversity:

2010 Cleveland Cavaliers - Result: Quit.
2014 Miami Heat - Result: Quit.

Biggest quitter of all time for sure.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg321/crh0831/stir%20fried%20random/Quitness.gif

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/lebron-james-hi-haters-slam-cover.jpg

[no pun intended]

Why is he bringing his team to the verge of elimination in the first place?

[imnew09]

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

A pic worth a thousand words. This is one of those pic

[SouBeachTalents]

Why is he bringing his team to the verge of elimination in the first place?

Every player in NBA history has faced multiple elimination game. Idiotic logic if serious

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP, Game 6 against the Spurs 2013 was an elimination game as well

32/11/10

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm

Yo this is not a difficult concept Madsen. If a win advances your team, it is a close-out game. If a loss eliminates your team, it is an elimination game. Game 7 is automatically both a close-out and elimination game for both teams. Game 6 AGAINST THE CAVS would be a close-out game FOR THE MAGIC. For Cleveland, it was an elimination game... if you're still confused after this post then I give up.


Wow you're a moron.

You're just arguing semantics.

the magic eliminated the cavs, they closed out the cavs.. Same damn thing you idiot. You can call it an elimination game, or a close out game, either way you lable it youre talking about the same game.

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

A pic worth a thousand words. This is one of those pic

:lebronamazed:

[J Shuttlesworth]

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.
Wrong. Elimination game averages include the games where he was eliminated as well, not just the ones he won. He is #2 to Jordan in elimination games

[LongLiveTheKing]

Wow you're a moron.

You're just arguing semantics.

the magic eliminated the cavs, they closed out the cavs.. Same damn thing you idiot. You can call it an elimination game, or a close out game, either way you lable it youre talking about the same game.

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.
It's not a close out game for LeBron if he's down 3-2

This shit isn't hard to understand :biggums:

[SamuraiSWISH]

If LeBron is aggressive as he was in game 7, from the start, series doesn't need to go 7 games.

[Prometheus]

Wow you're a moron.

You're just arguing semantics.

the magic eliminated the cavs, they closed out the cavs.. Same damn thing you idiot. You can call it an elimination game, or a close out game, either way you lable it youre talking about the same game.

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.

LOL you can call anything semantics. I can tell you that a grapefruit is a Cadillac, and if you deny it, then I can just accuse you of arguing semantics, since I have decided that a grapefruit is a Cadillac. But you're still wrong :oldlol:

It's universally recognized that a closeout game refers to a game which advances your team with a win, whereas an elimination game refers to one which advances your opponent with a loss. You got exposed for not knowing the definitions, which is okay. Just move on.

[Prometheus]

If LeBron is aggressive as he was in game 7, from the start, series doesn't need to go 7 games.

I completely agree. Survival instinct is better than nothing, but killer instinct is the ultimate trait in a competitor. On that note, Jordan > LeBron.

[mehyaM24]

Top 2 along with Jordan in this regard.:applause:

i would say lebron is clearly better in elimination games. better stats, played better teams, and jordan, while great, didnt play in as many because his teams were always competitive/elite. 2 of the games i listed were from when lebron played in cleveland, a bit more impressive imo.

also people need to distinguish the difference between an elimination game and close out game. if your team is one game away from being eliminated, thats an elimination game. close out games are when your teams are one away from advancing. big difference (the stakes are higher in elim games).

[The-Legend-24]

2/5 doe.

[mehyaM24]

OP, Game 6 against the Spurs 2013 was an elimination game as well

32/11/10

amazing 4th quarter :applause:

his game 7 topped that, though. probably the greatest game 7 performance in history.

[jzek]

what about kobe's stats?

[The-Legend-24]

what about kobe's stats?
5/7

[SamuraiSWISH]

6/6
5/7
2/5

[mehyaM24]

what about kobe's stats?

kobe is actually one of the worst elimination game players (superstar standards).

dirk, lebron, magic, and bird are all better in that regard.

[Hoopz2332]

what about kobe's stats?


Kobe: 18 elimination games(8-10):
22.0 ppg, 5.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.0 stl, 0.67 blk, 41.6% FG, 77.6% FT, 25.9% 3pt

:oldlol:

[JT123]

Kobe: 18 elimination games(8-10):
22.0 ppg, 5.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.0 stl, 0.67 blk, 41.6% FG, 77.6% FT, 25.9% 3pt

:oldlol:
:roll: Pathetic!

[Stringer Bell]

Jordan in elimination games:

1985 1st Rd Gm 4 (Loss): 29 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers. 6-16 FG

1986 1st Rd Gm 3 (Loss): 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 5 turnovers. 8-18 FG

1987 1st Rd Gm 3 (Loss): 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers. 9-30 FG

1988 1st Gm 5 (Win): 39 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 7 turnovers. 12-22 FG

1988 ECSF Gm 5 (Loss): 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers. 10-22 FG

1989 1st Rd Gm 5 (Win): 44 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal. 2 turnovers. 17-32 FG. Game winner "the shot" against Cavs.

1989 ECF Gm 6 (Loss): 32 points, 4 rebounds, 13 assists, 3 steals, 2 assists, 8 turnovers. 13-26 FG.

1990 ECF Gm 7 (Loss): 31 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers. 13-27 FG.

1992 ECSF Gm 7 (Win): 42 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 5 turnovers. 15-29 FG

1995 ECSF Gm 6 (Loss): 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 steals, 4 block, 6 turnovers. 8-19 FG.

1998 ECF Gm 7 (Win): 28 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 turnovers. 9-25 FG.

[Stringer Bell]

amazing 4th quarter :applause:

his game 7 topped that, though. probably the greatest game 7 performance in history.

In the finals, James Worthy in 1988, Bill Russell in 1962, Jerry West in 1969 (in defeat) and Walt Frazier in 1970.

In the conference and semi-finals, there's several game 7 performances that were insane

[AintNoSunshine]

Wow you're a moron.

You're just arguing semantics.

the magic eliminated the cavs, they closed out the cavs.. Same damn thing you idiot. You can call it an elimination game, or a close out game, either way you lable it youre talking about the same game.

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.

Take a min to google up what EVERYBODY means by them:facepalm It's very easy to understand.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan in elimination games:

1985 1st Rd Gm 4 (Loss): 29 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers. 6-16 FG

1986 1st Rd Gm 3 (Loss): 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 5 turnovers. 8-18 FG

1987 1st Rd Gm 3 (Loss): 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers. 9-30 FG

1988 1st Gm 5 (Win): 39 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 7 turnovers. 12-22 FG

1988 ECSF Gm 5 (Loss): 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers. 10-22 FG

1989 1st Rd Gm 5 (Win): 44 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal. 2 turnovers. 17-32 FG. Game winner "the shot" against Cavs.

1989 ECF Gm 6 (Loss): 32 points, 4 rebounds, 13 assists, 3 steals, 2 assists, 8 turnovers. 13-26 FG.

1990 ECF Gm 7 (Loss): 31 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers. 13-27 FG.

1992 ECSF Gm 7 (Win): 42 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 5 turnovers. 15-29 FG

1995 ECSF Gm 6 (Loss): 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 steals, 4 block, 6 turnovers. 8-19 FG.

1998 ECF Gm 7 (Win): 28 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 turnovers. 9-25 FG.

So MJ shot 45.1% in elimination games. What is the comparable figure for LeBron? Prime MJ was money in elimination games. His poorer performances (by his standards) came early and late in his career. Note how often MJ managed to also contribute via boards and assists, a trait LeBron shares in elimination games.

Also does anyone know KAJ's numbers in elimination games? He was consistently clutch in his career so I imagine he ranks up there with MJ and LeBron as an elimination game performer.

[LAZERUSS]

So MJ shot 45.1% in elimination games. What is the comparable figure for LeBron? Prime MJ was money in elimination games. His poorer performances (by his standards) came early and late in his career. Note how often MJ managed to also contribute via boards and assists, a trait LeBron shares in elimination games.

Also does anyone know KAJ's numbers in elimination games? He was consistently clutch in his career so I imagine he ranks up there with MJ and LeBron as an elimination game performer.

Just a quick look...

I have KAJ at:

12-12 W-L record
25.5 ppg, 12.0 rpg, .521 FG%.


BTW, here were Wilt's numbers:

12-11 W-L record
31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, .540 FG%

[dankok8]

To be fair Kareem's numbers are really hurt by his last 2 seasons...

Take his numbers up to and including the 85-86 season:

29.8 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 4.4 apg on 54.2 %FG/68.3 %FT/56.8 %TS

:bowdown:

[russwest0]

lol @ making this thread after LeBrons finals elimination game this year :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

lol @ making this thread after LeBrons finals elimination game this year :lol

LeBron's elimination game- 31, 10, 5 on 48%, 1 turnover
Durant's elimination game- 31 & 14 on 48%, 7 turnovers

[Purch]

I don't understand the sample size for this. Lebron's played 11 and won 2 championships.. So shouldn't he have at least 9 elimination games from the seasons he lost?

[LAZERUSS]

To be fair Kareem's numbers are really hurt by his last 2 seasons...

Take his numbers up to and including the 85-86 season:

29.8 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 4.4 apg on 54.2 %FG/68.3 %FT/56.8 %TS

:bowdown:

To be fair to Wilt then...

in Chamberlain's "scoring seasons", from '60 thru '66, he averaged 37.3 ppg, 27.6 rpg, and shot .521 (in post-seasons that shot .417 in that same span...or 10% over the league average.) And through no fault of his own, he didn't make the playoffs in his '63 season, in a year in which he averaged 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%.

Oh, and faced RUSSELL in 67% of those elimination games, as well.

[Magic 32]

:roll: Pathetic!

Semantics

Other than 08&10 against the Celtics and 09 against the Rockets, I can't remember a less than excellent game from Kobe to finish off a series (08-10).

08 Nuggets - game 4
08 Jazz - Game 6
08 Spurs - Game 5
09 Nuggets - Game 6
09 Magic - Game 5
10 Thunder - Game 6
10 Jazz - Game 4
10 Suns - Game 6

Just a string of masterpieces.

[Magic 32]

And by the way, Lebron loves to underperform on the road, only to destoy overmatched opponents in elimination games.

Pacers in 2013 is a perfect example.

Kobe and Michael would have ended that series in 6 games.

[Hey Yo]

I don't understand the sample size for this. Lebron's played 11 and won 2 championships.. So shouldn't he have at least 9 elimination games from the seasons he lost?
2010, game 6 eliminated by Boston. He put up 27-19-10 with 3 steals and a block, but shot 38% with 9 turnovers.

[Stringer Bell]

Magic Johnson played well for the most part in elimination games. 88' was extremely impressive

1981 1st Rd Game 3 (Loss): 10 Pts, couldn't find other info.

1983 Finals Game 4 (Loss): 27 pts, 7 asst, 5 Rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk, 9 turnovers. 8-21 FG

1984 Finals Game 6 (Win): 21 Pts, 10 asst, 6 Rebs, 1 stl, 4 turnovers. 10-18 FG

1984 Finals Game 7: (Loss): 16 Pts, 15 asst, 5 Rebs, 4 stl, 2 blocks, 7 turnovers. 5-14 FG.

1986 WCF Game 5 (Loss); 24 Pts, 13 asst, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 turnovers. 9-17 FG.

1988 WCSF Gm 7 (Win): 23 Pts, 16 asst, 9 Rebs, 1 stl, 3 turnovers. 9-15 FG

1988 WCF Gm 7 (Win): 24 Pts, 11 asst, 9 Rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 turnovers. 9-15 FG

1988 Finals Gm 6 (Win): 22 Pts, 19 asst, 4 Rebs, 2 steals, 2 turnovers. 5-12 FG

1988 Finals Gm 7 (Win): 19 Pts, 14 assists, 5 Rebs, 2 stl, 4 turnovers. 6-9 FG

1990 WCSF Gm 5 (Loss): 43 Pts, 8 Rebs, 7 asst, 6 turnovers. 15-26 FG

1991 Finals Gm 5 (Loss): 16 Pts, 20 asst, 11 Rebs, 6 turnovers. 4-12 FG.

1996 1st Rd Gm 4 (Loss): 8 Pts, 5 Rebs, 5 assts, 4 turnovers. 2-8 FG. When he was 36 and had HIV.

[Sakkreth]

closeout games are just as pressuring as elimination games. I think they should be grouped together.

Lol wtf, if you are up 3-0 how the fck is there any pressure ??? :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

So then we agree that anytime a team is facing elimination, be it game 4,5,6 or 7 it's an elimination game?

And game 6 against the cavs would count as an elimination game towards Dwight Howard's elimination game stats, as his team eliminated another team

You would agree with this

Why do you guys always act so damn retarded?

An Elimination game is a game where your team can get eliminated.. that's it.


Wow you're a moron.

You're just arguing semantics.

the magic eliminated the cavs, they closed out the cavs.. Same damn thing you idiot. You can call it an elimination game, or a close out game, either way you lable it youre talking about the same game.

And it's funny, because whenever we see stats for Lebrons "elimination games" they never include game 6 against the magic or any game where he was eliminated.

Those are always included :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Nah man it's totally different.

Killer instinct is like what a tiger has... or a sociopath... a tiger will sense the weak animal and get excited, knowing it has an opportunity to feed. A tiger will chase when its prey starts to run. A sociopath can sense someone's fear and they become delighted at it. Jordan had killer instinct - when he was on the verge of victory, his drive would elevate to another level and he would "go in for the kill". He could sense when his opponents were losing confidence and it would fuel him to drive the nail in the coffin. Killer instinct is cold-blooded, all about destroying the enemy.

Survival instinct is more like a rhinoceros... or that really strong dorky kid who gets made fun of a lot... a rhino is a passive animal. It just wants to chill and eat green stuff. But if you **** with a rhino to the point that it feels genuinely threatened... you're ****ing dead. It will charge you and maul you so that it can go back to chillin and eating green stuff. Or that big dorky kid. He just wants to draw pictures of dinosaurs and play RPGs. Doesn't want to be bothered. But he's dorky so kids make fun of him. Of course, he's passive, so at first he just takes it. But if you keep ****ing with him, his blood will start to boil... and he has a breaking point where if you cross that line he will beat the dog shit out of you. That's what happened in 2012 against Boston. It's not just that LeBron was about to lose, he was about to lose in humiliating fashion, vanquished by his greatest rivals the year after his epic failure against Dallas. And Rondo, Pierce, Garnett... all those guys HATED him. It was pretty much personal. There was a lot of pent up frustration in that game - he saw what fate seemingly had in store for him and just would not allow himself to go down that way. That shit was mad inspiring.

But killer instinct? No way man. I'm a LeBron fan but he ain't no killer.

Perfect analogy... LeBron is a survivor not a killer...

He does whatever is necessary to get by (barely)... He will chill, but when the series is hanging in the balance, game 7's, elimination games, LeBron will survive and kill.

[Hoopz2332]

So MJ shot 45.1% in elimination games. What is the comparable figure for LeBron? Prime MJ was money in elimination games. His poorer performances (by his standards) came early and late in his career. Note how often MJ managed to also contribute via boards and assists, a trait LeBron shares in elimination games.



Needs to be updated though


[QUOTE=WayOfWade]MJ, Kobe, LBJ, Wade, & Duncan Elimination Game Stats

Elimination Game Stats

[Roundball_Rock]

Just a quick look...

I have KAJ at:

12-12 W-L record
25.5 ppg, 12.0 rpg, .521 FG%.


BTW, here were Wilt's numbers:

12-11 W-L record
31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, .540 FG%

Wow! How many assists did Wilt average?


Michael Jordan EG Averages:
31.3 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.1 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 4.2 TOPG, 45.8 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 75.7 FT%

Kobe Bryant EG Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

LeBron James EG Averages:
31.9 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.4 SPG, .6 BPG, 4.5 TOPG, 46.5 FG%, 31.4 3P%, 73.8 FT%


Thanks, Hoopz. LeBron clearly is the best out of this group. 32/10/7 on 47% versus MJ's 31/8/7 on 46%.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Wow! How many assists did Wilt average?



Thanks, Hoopz. LeBron clearly is the best out of this group. 32/10/7 on 47% versus MJ's 31/8/7 on 46%.

Take Jordan through age 29 please.

[mehyaM24]

Take Jordan through age 29 please.

lebron has already played more seasons than jordan did at 29. irrelevant.

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron we are not worthy :applause:

[Roundball_Rock]

lebron has already played more seasons than jordan did at 29. irrelevant.

MJ only had 2 elimination games after age 29 anyway so I don't see why he thinks removing 2 games is relevant. One of those games came in a year MJ was the league MVP and another came in a year where MJ averaged 32/7/5 on 48% (while being "rusty" :oldlol: ) in the playoffs.

[sportjames23]

]i would say lebron is clearly better in elimination games. better stats, played better teams[/B], and jordan, while great, didnt play in as many because his teams were always competitive/elite. 2 of the games i listed were from when lebron played in cleveland, a bit more impressive imo.

also people need to distinguish the difference between an elimination game and close out game. if your team is one game away from being eliminated, thats an elimination game. close out games are when your teams are one away from advancing. big difference (the stakes are higher in elim games).


2 for 5 says otherwise.


Two. For. Five.

Your boy will NEVER be on par or greater than MJ. Live with that fact.

[J Shuttlesworth]

2 for 5 says otherwise.


Two. For. Five.

Your boy will NEVER be on par or greater than MJ. Live with that fact.
2 for 5 is such a great stat at age 29 :bowdown:

2 rings at 29 = same as Jordan, except LeBron had more finals appearances opposed to first round exists. Glad you guys bring up that stat that props up LeBron

[Soundwave]

James has good numbers but shrinking in the 2011 Finals will haunt him for a long time, and his numbers will likely came back down to earth as he goes through his 30s (so will his PER).

[Hoopz2332]

2 for 5 is such a great stat at age 29 :bowdown:

2 rings at 29 = same as Jordan, except LeBron had more finals appearances opposed to first round exists. Glad you guys bring up that stat that props up LeBron


to some with backwards logic, it's better to lose before the finals than in the finals:oldlol: :facepalm :biggums:

[Magic 32]

Average number of wins for the teams that Lebron played?

Probably as ugly as this one:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332740

[OldSchoolBBall]

MJ only had 2 elimination games after age 29 anyway so I don't see why he thinks removing 2 games is relevant. One of those games came in a year MJ was the league MVP and another came in a year where MJ averaged 32/7/5 on 48% (while being "rusty" :oldlol: ) in the playoffs.

Why don't you just remove them then if if it's irrelevant?

[Warfan]

Average number of wins for the teams that Lebron played?

Probably as ugly as this one:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332740

06 Pistons: 64 wins
07 Spurs: 58 wins
08 Celtics: 66 wins
09 Magic: 59 wins
10 Celtics: 50 wins
11 Mavs: 57 wins
12 Celtics: 39 wins (48/49 wins)
13 Pacers: 49 wins (missed a game because of the bombing..)
13 Spurs: 58 wins
14 Spurs: 62 wins


I think that's all of them...


Average 57.2 wins. All very good defensive teams too

[Magic 32]

06 Pistons: 64 wins
07 Spurs: 58 wins
08 Celtics: 66 wins
09 Magic: 59 wins
10 Celtics: 50 wins
11 Mavs: 57 wins
12 Celtics: 39 wins (48/49 wins)
13 Pacers: 49 wins (missed a game because of the bombing..)
13 Spurs: 58 wins
14 Spurs: 62 wins


I think that's all of them...


Average 57.2 wins. All very good defensive teams too


Just remind me how much he lost.

[Warfan]

The wins.

:hammerhead: :facepalm

My bad :oldlol:

08 Celtics (won game 6)
09 Magic (won game 5)
12 Celtics (game 6 and 7)
13 Pacers (game 7)
13 Spurs (game 6 & 7)

So an average of 56 wins, basically the same...

[Manny98]

:banana:

[Manny98]

:eek:

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZBL8QzC/De-F6-V-o-Xk-AEz-Fk.jpg

[Manny98]

Greatest under pressure elimination game performer ever :bowdown::bowdown:


https://youtu.be/Q76in4JZgoM

[3ball]

.
Lebron wouldn't need elimination games if he played better at the start of series:

Games 1-3 of 13' Finals.... 16 on 39%

Games 1-3 of 16' Finals.... 24 on 6 TO

Game 1 of 18' 1st Round... 15 points in game 1


And lebron's record in elimination games is vastly inflated by letting weak teams take him 7

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/bJEG7fcUn-s

[3ball]

https://youtu.be/bJEG7fcUn-s

Was this the game Kyrie drop 40

[Manny98]

Was this the game Kyrie drop 40
That was game 5

LeBron & Kyrie were arguably the best offensive duo ever

[3ball]

That was game 5

LeBron & Kyrie were arguably the best offensive duo ever

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in 2000 Finals, would everyone say Reggie had the goat accomplishment by winning that series?

Obviously not

Yet people say lebron had the goat accomplishment in this scenario... So winning a series where your sidekick takes out their best player is the goat accomplishment??... Ridiculous and dumb... I'd be embarrassed if I lapped up all the bullshit I see on tv

[Rico2016]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZBL8QzC/De-F6-V-o-Xk-AEz-Fk.jpg

He is the greatest clutch performer the world has ever seen.

[Rico2016]

https://youtu.be/bJEG7fcUn-s

The greatest game in Finals history.

40+ Game Score in the Finals. A 40+ Finals game score has only happened twice in NBA Finals history. Yes of course, both by LeBron.