Just ate at Chilli's and a table of blacks stiffed the server...

[stalkerforlife]

So, I was eating a Chilli's and sitting next to us was two black guys, a white girl, and a baby. The youngest black guy asked the waitress for her number and she declined. So, the black guy said, "Okay, I guess you don't want a tip." She was also our server and very polite and fast. The black dudes were in shock that they had to pay for the games they were playing on the electric kiosk at the table, too. It shows on the screen that it's not free, but of course they complained and a manager took it off the bill. We left her 11 dollars on a 39 dollar tab, which is decent.

Point being, I have been a server. My question is, why are black people like this? They work you extra hard, complain, and don't tip.

WTF?!

[stalkerforlife]

Oh and she told me they all stiffed her on two separate checks.

[Nanners]

lol they have video games at your table at chilis? what a shitty excuse for a restaurant.

[bballnoob1192]

So, I was eating a Chilli's and sitting next to us was two black guys, a white girl, and a baby. The youngest black guy asked the waitress for her number and she declined. So, the black guy said, "Okay, I guess you don't want a tip." She was also our server and very polite and fast. The black dudes were in shock that they had to pay for the games they were playing on the electric kiosk at the table, too. It shows on the screen that it's not free, but of course they complained and a manager took it off the bill. We left her 11 dollars on a 39 dollar tab, which is decent.

Point being, I have been a server. My question is, Why are assholes like this? They work you extra hard, complain, and don't tip.

WTF?!
Fixed

[stalkerforlife]

lol they have video games at your table at chilis? what a shitty excuse for a restaurant.

Yes, it's something new. You can order desserts from there, too.

[russwest0]

It's because we don't have affirmative action, thats why.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Chili's, really? How poor are you?

What's your PayPal address?

[stalkerforlife]

Chili's, really? How poor are you?

What's your PayPal address?

Very.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Very.
Paypal address?

[Done_And_Done]

These types of people exist in all colours my dude. Don't generalize...

[IamRAMBO24]

Seems like you either made it up or you waited for the opportunity to sh*t on black people.

Although some black posters around here are incredibly racist and hate on asians, I'm going to be the bigger man and say that OP is an idiot. Generalizations are stupid. Some black people tip, some don't. Just like how some asians are tall and some short, and yes, some actually have big c*cks (me example). Generalizations are fallacious in nature and it is a shame some of the members in here are too stupid to realize this.

[KobesFinger]

Although some black posters around here are incredibly racist and hate on asians, I'm going to be the bigger man and say that OP is an idiot. Generalizations are stupid. Some black people tip, some don't. Just like how some asians are tall and some short, and yes, some actually have big c*cks (me example). Generalizations are fallacious in nature and it is a shame some of the members in here are too stupid to realize this.

Even if you're big for an Asian, you're still not big. Don't get it twisted lil homie

[Nanners]

Although some black posters around here are incredibly racist and hate on asians, I'm going to be the bigger man and say that OP is an idiot. Generalizations are stupid. Some black people tip, some don't. Just like how some asians are tall and some short, and yes, some actually have big c*cks (me example). Generalizations are fallacious in nature and it is a shame some of the members in here are too stupid to realize this.

amen brother. racism and generalizations are almost as annoying as asian drivers.

[Nick Young]

Being a waiter is the easiest job in the world. They deserve a tip for being nice, writing down an order and carrying plates without dropping them?

No.

That should be expected. They don't deserve extra money for doing the basic requirements in a job that is already easy.

If they really do go above and beyond the call of duty in terms of being a waiter, they deserve a tip. But this attitude of waiters expecting tips and being entitled to tips is a bad one.

If their place of employment is paying them below minimum wage, then that is illegal and they should go to the Employment Tribunal.

You are a sap and a white knight. $11 tip to make up for other people not tipping? Do you think you're spiderman or something? You will not go far in this world if you continue to have this loser mindset OP.

[nathanjizzle]

what do you expect from some broke ass negros that are entitled because they graduated freshman and sophomore year of high school.

[GimmeThat]

I bet those black people also hate paying taxes

[NumberSix]

I bet those black people also hate paying taxes
Does anybody LIKE to pay taxes.

[GimmeThat]

Does anybody LIKE to pay taxes.

self entitled citizens who wants to see the government get sh*t done when needed.


so, no one.


that's going to be a great sales pitch about why the elders should give up on their social security benefits by the way.

[Godzuki]

i agree tipping these days as a expectation is BS because 20% of a bill can be ridiculous with most overpriced joints which include these TGIF's, Chilli's, etc. especially if you get mixed drinks/beer, and i think waiters have rather spoiled expectations for what they do.

i hate the idea of tipping, i do it, but its just so unequal depending on where you're eating which doesn't always line up with service quality, and most of the time i feel there is this expectation for you to do it from these spoiled HS kids who are working a pretty ez job relatively speaking. they act entitled...or rather many do. occasionally i run into someone who is just busting their ass and doesn't even seem like they're focused on a tip.

[Nastradamus]

If people don't like tipping, its fine. Just don't sit down at the restaurant then. Once you do, IMO, you have accepted the offer to use a person's services and you know what the expected price is. Its not giving them extra, its just paying them. Mcdonalds doesn't require a tip. Either does Carry out(though some is nice), so those are your options if you don't think tipping is worth the price. If you sit down at the table though, and don't tip, you deserve semen in your food. Dickhead

[DukeDelonte13]

If people don't like tipping, its fine. Just don't sit down at the restaurant then. Once you do, IMO, you have accepted the offer to use a person's services and you know what the expected price is. Its not giving them extra, its just paying them. Mcdonalds doesn't require a tip. Either does Carry out(though some is nice), so those are your options if you don't think tipping is worth the price. If you sit down at the table though, and don't tip, you deserve semen in your food. Dickhead


i agree. If you can't afford or you balk at the tip at a chilis you shouldn't be eating out to begin with.

Average meal for two there has to be 30-35 bucks. You can't leave a five dollar bill?

[IamRAMBO24]

Even if you're big for an Asian, you're still not big. Don't get it twisted lil homie

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.

[oh the horror]

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.



This is ....something alright.

[dr.hee]

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.

I don't think it's generalized hatred of asians to recognize you've got a tiny ass d*ck :confusedshrug:

[Milbuck]

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.
Needle dick confirmed.

[navy]

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.
Tatoo ISH on your dick and post the pic.
Or else needle dick confirmed.

[Bless Mathews]

Op is a racist fucc

[Swaggin916]

Being a waiter is the easiest job in the world. They deserve a tip for being nice, writing down an order and carrying plates without dropping them?

No.

That should be expected. They don't deserve extra money for doing the basic requirements in a job that is already easy.

If they really do go above and beyond the call of duty in terms of being a waiter, they deserve a tip. But this attitude of waiters expecting tips and being entitled to tips is a bad one.

If their place of employment is paying them below minimum wage, then that is illegal and they should go to the Employment Tribunal.

You are a sap and a white knight. $11 tip to make up for other people not tipping? Do you think you're spiderman or something? You will not go far in this world if you continue to have this loser mindset OP.

This is coming from a broke dude with no plans of making it and helping out younger people who probably like to have a good time on their off hours and a little extra cash would really help.

[rezznor]

If people don't like tipping, its fine. Just don't sit down at the restaurant then. Once you do, IMO, you have accepted the offer to use a person's services and you know what the expected price is. Its not giving them extra, its just paying them. Mcdonalds doesn't require a tip. Either does Carry out(though some is nice), so those are your options if you don't think tipping is worth the price. If you sit down at the table though, and don't tip, you deserve semen in your food. Dickhead
agreed. don't go sit down at a restaurant and then balk at tipping. you don't wanna tip? fine. stick to fast food or cook at home then.

[ThemBombs]

Being a waiter is the easiest job in the world. They deserve a tip for being nice, writing down an order and carrying plates without dropping them?

No.

That should be expected. They don't deserve extra money for doing the basic requirements in a job that is already easy.

If they really do go above and beyond the call of duty in terms of being a waiter, they deserve a tip. But this attitude of waiters expecting tips and being entitled to tips is a bad one.

If their place of employment is paying them below minimum wage, then that is illegal and they should go to the Employment Tribunal.

You are a sap and a white knight. $11 tip to make up for other people not tipping? Do you think you're spiderman or something? You will not go far in this world if you continue to have this loser mindset OP.
hey you stupid ****, in most restaurants tips are the server's only wages

[Nick Young]

If people don't like tipping, its fine. Just don't sit down at the restaurant then. Once you do, IMO, you have accepted the offer to use a person's services and you know what the expected price is. Its not giving them extra, its just paying them. Mcdonalds doesn't require a tip. Either does Carry out(though some is nice), so those are your options if you don't think tipping is worth the price. If you sit down at the table though, and don't tip, you deserve semen in your food. Dickhead
Wrong. It is giving them extra. The price on the bill is just paying them. The restaurant is employing the servers, not me. Their job is not difficult in the slightest. If the restaurant employing them is paying them below minimum wage then they have the right to go to the employment tribunal and make a complaint.

The waiter fee is included in the expensive price of the food at the restaurant. It is not my job to pay extra for the guy who is performing the simple task of writing down my order and carrying me my plate without dropping it.

No one deserves semen in their food for sitting down in a restaurant. You are retarded if you truly believe that.

[Nick Young]

hey you stupid ****, in most restaurants tips are the server's only wages
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

why do you think that? I actually worked as a waiter before dumbass. Have you?

If someone is only getting paid in tips, then they're a dumbass for accepting that job. Also getting paid under the table like that is illegal. Do you want to support illegal lawbreaking tax dodgers now?:confusedshrug:


Why are people getting so angry about this? People only tip because they are expected to tip. Many countries don't tip, the waiters dont expect tips, and nothing bad happens, and the quality of food and service does not diminish. People only tip to fit in/ or out of guilt.

[Jet]

Their job is not difficult in the slightest. I

is it harder than selling shoes?

[oarabbus]

I heard in NYC a 15% tip is considered "awful", 20% is considered "decent" and you need to put down 25%+ for a good tip. Can anyone confirm this BS?

I have no problems leaving a fat tip for a good server but that's a little ridiculous.

[Nick Young]

This is coming from a broke dude with no plans of making it and helping out younger people who probably like to have a good time on their off hours and a little extra cash would really help.
So we should all pay tips to help lil Johnny purchase his next ounce of green so his time playing call of duty will be more enjoyable?

Some of the logicless bullshit that spews out of you guys asses astounds me:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Take Your Lumps]

The f*ck do you know? I f*cked many girls who have been with black and white men and they all said I was by far much bigger. Some compare me to a porn star, so stfu f*ggot and stop with your dumb*ss generalized hatred of asians.

https://i.imgur.com/NHXQGt5.jpghttps://s3.amazonaws.com/ruddo-prod/images/aad533218116619aabb8f8bc2353959bc2382b14/large.png

[Nick Young]

is it harder than selling shoes?
I never sold shoes. I'm not starface, dumbass. But sales jobs, even if its just crappy payless shoes youre selling, are more important for a business then a waiter. Not everyone is a good salesman. It actually requires skills. In contrast, literally anyone who isn't braindamaged and has two arms can become a waiter

[oarabbus]

I never sold shoes. I'm not starface, dumbass. But sales jobs, even if its just crappy payless shoes youre selling, are more important for a business then a waiter. Not everyone is a good salesman. It actually requires skills. In contrast, literally anyone who isn't braindamaged and has two arms can become a waiter


The thing is, you and russ are actually spot on about your views on tipping. It's ultimately pointless and does not help the servers nor does it increase quality of service, and there's a reason most countries don't observe it. However it's an institution in America and tipping is how things work here. And there can and will be repercussions to poor tipping.

[masonanddixon]

I don't care if waiters/waitresses receive tips but if in this scenario the server were black and the patrons were white, this would be all over the internet and cries of racism would ensue.

[IamRAMBO24]

Wrong. It is giving them extra. .

They make $3.25 in some states. That is 2x below minimum wage, so yes they depend on the tips to make a living. You can argue they can always get a better job, but I can also argue you should eat somewhere else if you don't want to tip. You don't have to tip, just like how you don't have to do a lot of things in society to function like a respectable normal human being, but it will reflect badly on you if you don't. I guess some hoodlums just don't care, but as a respectable, high class professional and a role model of society, I will absolutely tip, and tip pretty f*ckin well. To each their own.

[nathanjizzle]

Even if you're big for an Asian, you're still not big. Don't get it twisted lil homie

Sup Birmingham England. When is tea time and crumpets.

[KobesFinger]

Sup Birmingham England. When is tea time and crumpets.

Never

[KyleKong]

Hey I work at Chili's

[Droid101]

http://waitbutwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Demographic-chart1.png

Yep, this thread checks out.

[IamRAMBO24]

Christians are below average?

:facepalm

[KyleKong]

http://waitbutwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Demographic-chart1.png

Yep, this thread checks out.

You know what's funny, this chart is actually true.

I just got off of work and a Church group gave me a little less then 20% and a group of four outrageously homosexual men gave me around 35%

[KyleKong]

Christians are below average?

:facepalm

I hate working Sunday mornings because giant church parties come in, all separate checks, super needy, and don't tip very well. Of course that is not all church groups, but it sucks when I get a group like that.

[IamRAMBO24]

You know what's funny, this chart is actually true.

I just got off of work and a Church group gave me a little less then 20% and a group of four outrageously homosexual men gave me around 35%

I tip 50-60% and it makes a huge difference. I get treated like a king everytime I go back. All the cute girls love me. $5 more than I usually tip will land me on a name basis with these girls. All for what? 5 f*ckin bucks. Some (not all) christians and blacks need to re-evaluate their thinking on tipping. Just a bit of cash and you can literally make a person's day. If you're a good human being, you would see the value in this.

[KyleKong]

I tip 50-60%

Holy shit

[KyleKong]

I've only gotten stiffed by tables that weren't foreignness, specifically Persian/Arabic/Indian, like twice.

Once was a young Hispanic couple and the dude was an absolute prick.

The other time was a group of middle-aged white people, on the 4th of July, and they walked up to my Manager and said they had a great experience. :oldlol: but no tip.

Teenagers tip, usually a lot if they are on a date, usually not a lot if they are with friends.

[PHX_Phan]

That chart should probably also include rich people in the below average/very bad area.

[ihatetimthomas]

I have talked with numerous servers and it always comes down to black people being the cheapest tippers. Not even the cheapest, some just flat out don't tip. I've always though it was not the race, but the person. Now I believe that it's the culture. Tipping starts when you are young, see the parent tip and peers tip. This kind of instills in our head that when your eat out, you are always supposed to tip. For people who do not see this as common, they selectively tip.

[nathanjizzle]

why do gay men tip so much?

[ihatetimthomas]

Wrong. It is giving them extra. The price on the bill is just paying them. The restaurant is employing the servers, not me. Their job is not difficult in the slightest. If the restaurant employing them is paying them below minimum wage then they have the right to go to the employment tribunal and make a complaint.

The waiter fee is included in the expensive price of the food at the restaurant. It is not my job to pay extra for the guy who is performing the simple task of writing down my order and carrying me my plate without dropping it.

No one deserves semen in their food for sitting down in a restaurant. You are retarded if you truly believe that.

I agree with the concept that tips are BS and that it should not be required. But what world are you living in? We live in a nation where things work in a certain way. If you don't want to tip, then cook or order out. Why should workers get stiffed because of some moral issue you have with the tipping system? It's not their fault you are salty about tipping. If you are that salty, the one thing you can do to help the situation is to never eat out and stop putting money in restaurant owners pockets. You sound dumb as fcuk when you say employees whould just file a complaint. Do you honestly think that does anything?

[rezznor]

http://waitbutwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Demographic-chart1.png

Yep, this thread checks out.
older asians dont tip well, but younger ones that were raised here tip very well

[oarabbus]

Christians are below average?

:facepalm



Not surprised at all, one of the most selfish and self righteous groups out there. I don't mean all Christians, rather the ones who first and foremost define their identity as one.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

christians have been known to leave an anti gay bible verses as a tip for their gay servers. so this doesn't surprise me at all.

[ALBballer]

I have talked with numerous servers and it always comes down to black people being the cheapest tippers. Not even the cheapest, some just flat out don't tip. I've always though it was not the race, but the person. Now I believe that it's the culture. Tipping starts when you are young, see the parent tip and peers tip. This kind of instills in our head that when your eat out, you are always supposed to tip. For people who do not see this as common, they selectively tip.

Ye culture plays a role to some degree but it is common knowledge what constitutes a decent tip in the states. I grew up in a family where we rarely ate out because my family was cheap. With that said, I still know that I should tip the server. Even today I prefer to not to go to restaurants because I do not want to pay an extra 15-20 percent on top of my meal. This rule of thumb should be applied to all, if you don't want to tip then do not eat out at restaurants that has servers. I think it is a scam that restaurants are passing on the server costs onto the customers but instead of punishing the server I try to limit the amount of times I eat out.

What I am against is certain businesses attaching tips to everything. I do not tip the cleaning lady at the hotel, I do not tip when I order take out, I do not tip the person making my coffee, etc.

[MadeFromDust]

Fixed
;) :cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

If people don't like tipping, its fine. Just don't sit down at the restaurant then. Once you do, IMO, you have accepted the offer to use a person's services and you know what the expected price is. Its not giving them extra, its just paying them. Mcdonalds doesn't require a tip. Either does Carry out(though some is nice), so those are your options if you don't think tipping is worth the price. If you sit down at the table though, and don't tip, you deserve semen in your food. Dickhead

Exactly.

I think some people are ignorant to servers only making 4 dollars an hour. That or they're just shitty people and only care about themselves.

[stalkerforlife]

Paypal address?

Are you offering me money? I'm poor and I have a kid.

I'll take it.

[stalkerforlife]

And to the person saying waiting is easy, it isn't as easy as it looks. (Nick Young, I think) I don't believe you've ever been a real server, so save that BS. You don't even get the technicalities of serving, which is you get paid well under minimum wage. It is legal because of the tips.

Anyhow, the hard part about serving is dealing with people. You are constantly being judged, critiqued, and expected to be on point at all times.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

i think balck people know that servers are making 1/3rd the minimum wage but still decide not to pay. You see, black people, especially the nigas from da hood are the most hateful phags in the world. they don't want to see anyone out perform them. so while they're working as the local security guard and selling dat dope on da streets, they're still making only $12-13 bucks an hour and gotta evade the cops on top of that. then they go to spend their hard earned money at a restaurant and see dis overly excited waiter tending to their order pulling $14-15 an hour and they get jealuos. Being the hateful black male that a regular black male is, he refuses to help the waiter help is cause of making dat big money while dat regular black male has to hustle for his. this causes dat black male to withhold his hard earned earnings from contributing to that of that happy peppy ass waiter that just has to fetch a coke while that black male has to sell crack rocks to crack addicts and negotiate prices with him. one should definetely have an appereciation of the money he/she earns and if it takes hard work to earn your money, you shouldn't just give it away to phags that just get you a refill on a freaking coke. i could have gotten up and done it myself, its no my fault you couldn't do it right the first time and i had to send you back again. thats your deficinecy. as a hustla that works hard for his money, i sure as hell am not goin to give it away to some **** at a restaurant that can't even get an order right.

[stalkerforlife]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

why do you think that? I actually worked as a waiter before dumbass. Have you?

If someone is only getting paid in tips, then they're a dumbass for accepting that job. Also getting paid under the table like that is illegal. Do you want to support illegal lawbreaking tax dodgers now?:confusedshrug:


Why are people getting so angry about this? People only tip because they are expected to tip. Many countries don't tip, the waiters dont expect tips, and nothing bad happens, and the quality of food and service does not diminish. People only tip to fit in/ or out of guilt.

No, you haven't.

[stalkerforlife]

i think balck people know that servers are making 1/3rd the minimum wage but still decide not to pay. You see, black people, especially the nigas from da hood are the most hateful phags in the world. they don't want to see anyone out perform them. so while they're working as the local security guard and selling dat dope on da streets, they're still making only $12-13 bucks an hour and gotta evade the cops on top of that. then they go to spend their hard earned money at a restaurant and see dis overly excited waiter tending to their order pulling $14-15 an hour and they get jealuos. Being the hateful black male that a regular black male is, he refuses to help the waiter help is cause of making dat big money while dat regular black male has to hustle for his. this causes dat black male to withhold his hard earned earnings from contributing to that of that happy peppy ass waiter that just has to fetch a coke while that black male has to sell crack rocks to crack addicts and negotiate prices with him. one should definetely have an appereciation of the money he/she earns and if it takes hard work to earn your money, you shouldn't just give it away to phags that just get you a refill on a freaking coke. i could have gotten up and done it myself, its no my fault you couldn't do it right the first time and i had to send you back again. thats your deficinecy. as a hustla that works hard for his money, i sure as hell am not goin to give it away to some **** at a restaurant that can't even get an order right.

:lebronamazed:

[oarabbus]

Exactly.

I think some people are ignorant to servers only making 4 dollars an hour. That or they're just shitty people and only care about themselves.


In my state servers make 8/hr and tips are gravy on top

[tpols]

i think balck people know that servers are making 1/3rd the minimum wage but still decide not to pay. .

Idk.. I remember this one time I was working my co-worker got a 7 on 140 dollar bill.. it was a black family, laughing, talking, brought dessert out to them for one of their birthdays, sang to them, stayed a while and said goodnight when theyre leaving.. and they leave 7 bucks.

Either those people were ignorant or they were heartless.

[stalkerforlife]

In my state servers make 8/hr and tips are gravy on top

That's rare.

Take a look at all the states and just how many are 2-4 dollars an hour. There are a lot that are 2.13 an hour.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

[oarabbus]

That's rare.

Take a look at all the states and just how many are 2-4 dollars an hour. There are a lot that are 2.13 an hour.


In those states, tipping is an absolute necessity, I agree.

But there are servers here who act entitled to tips (I always tip, for the record) even though they get paid 8/hr. Seems ridiculous to me.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Idk.. I remember this one time I was working my co-worker got a 7 on 140 dollar bill.. it was a black family, laughing, talking, brought dessert out to them for one of their birthdays, sang to them, stayed a while and said goodnight when theyre leaving.. and they leave 7 bucks.

Either those people were ignorant or they were heartless.
well true hustlas hardly gonna empower anyone else wit deir money. ya know i'm sayin?

[IamRAMBO24]

i think balck people know that servers are making 1/3rd the minimum wage but still decide not to pay. You see, black people, especially the nigas from da hood are the most hateful phags in the world. they don't want to see anyone out perform them. so while they're working as the local security guard and selling dat dope on da streets, they're still making only $12-13 bucks an hour and gotta evade the cops on top of that. then they go to spend their hard earned money at a restaurant and see dis overly excited waiter tending to their order pulling $14-15 an hour and they get jealuos. Being the hateful black male that a regular black male is, he refuses to help the waiter help is cause of making dat big money while dat regular black male has to hustle for his. this causes dat black male to withhold his hard earned earnings from contributing to that of that happy peppy ass waiter that just has to fetch a coke while that black male has to sell crack rocks to crack addicts and negotiate prices with him. one should definetely have an appereciation of the money he/she earns and if it takes hard work to earn your money, you shouldn't just give it away to phags that just get you a refill on a freaking coke. i could have gotten up and done it myself, its no my fault you couldn't do it right the first time and i had to send you back again. thats your deficinecy. as a hustla that works hard for his money, i sure as hell am not goin to give it away to some **** at a restaurant that can't even get an order right.

Truth.

This is why I'm not going to hate on some (not all) black people for not tipping. It's not a black problem; it is a socioeconomic problem. I tip because I can afford to tip, but I can't say the same for everybody. What does bother me is some posters are trying to rationalize it into a crusade. Why can't they just be as real as superman?

[stalkerforlife]

In those states, tipping is an absolute necessity, I agree.

But there are servers here who act entitled to tips (I always tip, for the record) even though they get paid 8/hr. Seems ridiculous to me.

Here's the link...

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

[Godzuki]

Here's the link...

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm


i didn't know that, i thought all waiters made at the very least min wage, and tips were always bonus off of that.

kind of like pizza deliverers always make a wage and tips are a bonus.

altho it looks like most states do pay waiters at the least min wage...Wyoming looks like the exception if i'm reading that right.

personally i think dealing with customers is a pain in the ass but i don't think the job is that difficult depending on the restaurant and how they disperse waiter vs bus boy duties. i know Phillips in Ocean City makes bus boys bring out food trays, and they do all of the clean up hours after close as well. Waiters just take orders and bring out small trays.

[oarabbus]

i didn't know that, i thought all waiters made at the very least min wage, and tips were always bonus off of that.

kind of like pizza deliverers always make a wage and tips are a bonus.

altho it looks like most states do pay waiters at the least min wage...Wyoming looks like the exception if i'm reading that right.

personally i think dealing with customers is a pain in the ass but i don't think the job is that difficult depending on the restaurant and how they disperse waiter vs bus boy duties. i know Phillips in Ocean City makes bus boys bring out food trays, and they do all of the clean up hours after close as well. Waiters just take orders and bring out small trays.

They do if you live in a state that isn't dogshit.

[stalkerforlife]

i didn't know that, i thought all waiters made at the very least min wage, and tips were always bonus off of that.

kind of like pizza deliverers always make a wage and tips are a bonus.

altho it looks like most states do pay waiters at the least min wage...Wyoming looks like the exception if i'm reading that right.

personally i think dealing with customers is a pain in the ass but i don't think the job is that difficult depending on the restaurant and how they disperse waiter vs bus boy duties. i know Phillips in Ocean City makes bus boys bring out food trays, and they do all of the clean up hours after close as well. Waiters just take orders and bring out small trays.

You read it wrong. There are 19 states that only pay 2.13 an hour to tipped servers. There are plenty others that pay well under minimum wage.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Truth.

This is why I'm not going to hate on some (not all) black people for not tipping. It's not a black problem; it is a socioeconomic problem. I tip because I can afford to tip, but I can't say the same for everybody. What does bother me is some posters are trying to rationalize it into a crusade. Why can't they just be as real as superman?
yea, hustlin ain't ez fool. just b/c jayz sang a song about it don't mean erry one could sing it. some white dude who got a job worth $60k cuse he went to college paid for by his parent's 'college fund' dey started when he was born, don't mean dat ***** hustled. only da true hustlas can say dey hustled. i stole my little sister's favorite teddy bear and sold it to a homeless guy to give it to his dog and the money i got from it, i'm supposed to give it to some **** at chili's? *** no. I save that money. i do more trifling shit, i make more money, and i add tha money up. den i save up enough money and i get enough money to buy me some chronic. i buy da chronic and smoke it wit my homies and have a good time. does tippin a waiter = good time smokin dat chronic? just think fo your self and let us know.

[stalkerforlife]

They do if you live in a state that isn't dogshit.

Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington are the only states that are required to pay minimum wage.

[BasedTom]

You bust your balls for some people and they leave nothing. You do the bare minimum for others and they hand you a 20. It's completely based on chance.

Only thing you can do is try to do your best and not feel like you're entitled to it (well I've never worked in a place where they paid under min. wage). When I get a tip, I actually appreciate it. I think it's dumb to get mad or plot out an intricate revenge scheme because you didn't get the tip you were hoping for.

[Megabox!]

yea, hustlin ain't ez fool. just b/c jayz sang a song about it don't mean erry one could sing it. some white dude who got a job worth $60k cuse he went to college paid for by his parent's 'college fund' dey started when he was born, don't mean dat ***** hustled. only da true hustlas can say dey hustled. i stole my little sister's favorite teddy bear and sold it to a homeless guy to give it to his dog and the money i got from it, i'm supposed to give it to some **** at chili's? *** no. I save that money. i do more trifling shit, i make more money, and i add tha money up. den i save up enough money and i get enough money to buy me some chronic. i buy da chronic and smoke it wit my homies and have a good time. does tippin a waiter = good time smokin dat chronic? just think fo your self and let us know.
:facepalm

[Godzuki]

You read it wrong. There are 19 states that only pay 2.13 an hour to tipped servers. There are plenty others that pay well under minimum wage.


ok just double checked but combined cash and tip min wage rate would be they're making at the least the standard min wage, right?

[SupermanOnSteroids]

:facepalm
you wanna know why black folks don't tip, well, there you have it.

[stalkerforlife]

yea, hustlin ain't ez fool. just b/c jayz sang a song about it don't mean erry one could sing it. some white dude who got a job worth $60k cuse he went to college paid for by his parent's 'college fund' dey started when he was born, don't mean dat ***** hustled. only da true hustlas can say dey hustled. i stole my little sister's favorite teddy bear and sold it to a homeless guy to give it to his dog and the money i got from it, i'm supposed to give it to some **** at chili's? *** no. I save that money. i do more trifling shit, i make more money, and i add tha money up. den i save up enough money and i get enough money to buy me some chronic. i buy da chronic and smoke it wit my homies and have a good time. does tippin a waiter = good time smokin dat chronic? just think fo your self and let us know.

:roll:

[Megabox!]

You bust your balls for some people and they leave nothing. You do the bare minimum for others and they hand you a 20. It's completely based on chance.

Only thing you can do is try to do your best and not feel like you're entitled to it (well I've never worked in a place where they paid under min. wage). When I get a tip, I actually appreciate it. I think it's dumb to get mad or plot out an intricate revenge scheme because you didn't get the tip you were hoping for.
The only good post in this thread

[stalkerforlife]

ok just double checked but combined cash and tip min wage rate would be the min wage, right?

It may be more or it may be less, it all depends on your tips. If people aren't tipping you, you're making that 2.13 an hour. That's it. That's why servers depend on tips.

[Godzuki]

It may be more or it may be less, it all depends on your tips. If people aren't tipping you, you're making that 2.13 an hour. That's it. That's why servers depend on tips.


i was taking what that chart said to assume a waiter has to make at least $7.25 min between wage and tips...except in Wyoming where it is $5.25...

otherwise the restaurant has to make up the minimum difference.

I can't fathom the state or federal law allowing anyone to make as low as $2.13/hour in any situation, especially when they already think the current mininum is too low.

i mean if you're a waiter i guess i have to bow to your experience, just hard to believe anyone, let alone a waiter is/can make only $2.13/hour....period.

[stalkerforlife]

i was taking what that chart said to assume a waiter has to make at least $7.25 min between wage and tips...except in Wyoming where it is $5.25...

otherwise the restaurant has to make up the minimum difference.

I can't fathom the state or federal law allowing anyone to make as low as $2.13/hour in any situation, especially when they already think the current mininum is too low.

i mean if you're a waiter i guess i have to bow to your experience, just hard to believe anyone, let alone a waiter is/can make only $2.13/hour....period.

I didn't know the restaurant had to make up the difference, which i'm sure never, never happens. It would be impossible because regardless of this thread, most people do tip. Some tip huge. I think waiting is worth a lot more than minimum wage, anyway.

[oarabbus]

i was taking what that chart said to assume a waiter has to make at least $7.25 min between wage and tips...except in Wyoming where it is $5.25...

otherwise the restaurant has to make up the minimum difference.

I can't fathom the state or federal law allowing anyone to make as low as $2.13/hour in any situation, especially when they already think the current mininum is too low.

i mean if you're a waiter i guess i have to bow to your experience, just hard to believe anyone, let alone a waiter is/can make only $2.13/hour....period.

You have the right idea. 2.13 is the minimum tipped wage, meaning that the servers tips make up the difference between that and the non-tipped min wage.

If a server in a $2.13/hr state makes, say, $7/hr including their tips, the restaurant is obligated to make up the difference and pay $.25/hr to meet the federal min of $7.25/hr. Let's say another waiter is really good and makes $10/hr in tips, that waiter will only be paid $2.13 from the restaurant for a total of $12.13

So a person's total take home pay will never be $2.13 per hour, either they will earn the rest in tips, or it will be paid by the restaurant.


edit: like stalkerforlife mentions, actually GETTING the restaurant to make up the difference is another story.

[ottooooooo]

similar to why so many Hispanics shoplift

[stalkerforlife]

Also, if you ever put a restaurant in position to make up for tips, you will be fired. It NEVER happens and even if it did, the restaurant would call you a liar. Cash tips aren't recorded.

[Nick Young]

The thing is, you and russ are actually spot on about your views on tipping. It's ultimately pointless and does not help the servers nor does it increase quality of service, and there's a reason most countries don't observe it. However it's an institution in America and tipping is how things work here. And there can and will be repercussions to poor tipping.
What repurcussions should I expect? Are you saying that waiters and chefs are justified to spit in my food I am already paying for if they identify me as someone who doesn't tip?

[Nick Young]

I agree with the concept that tips are BS and that it should not be required. But what world are you living in? We live in a nation where things work in a certain way. If you don't want to tip, then cook or order out. Why should workers get stiffed because of some moral issue you have with the tipping system? It's not their fault you are salty about tipping. If you are that salty, the one thing you can do to help the situation is to never eat out and stop putting money in restaurant owners pockets. You sound dumb as fcuk when you say employees whould just file a complaint. Do you honestly think that does anything?
Yes, if they follow the bureaucratic procedures properly, and get help from the Employmenty tribunal, which is free, and they are indeed being paid below minimum wage and can prove it, then yes it will do anything. You're dumb as f*ck if you just give up before even filing the proper procedures. Making complaints about this in the right way to the right people will indeed do something.

It's not my fault waiters are dumb and willingly accept their shitty wages without question.

It is not my job to tip. In Japan, a tip is seen as an insult to the server, who is expected to do a good job anyway regardless of the promise of the tip. This is the mindset that I have.

Why does this make people so angry, the concept of not tipping people who do the basic requirements of their job? All they do is write down an order and carry plates of food without dropping them. You really think they deserve a fat tip for doing the basic requirements in their job?

[Nick Young]

No, you haven't.
Yes I have. Claimjumpers biotch. Easiest job in the world. Mindnumbing. I have also worked jobs where I had 10 hour days, outside in the rain, and paid well under minimum wage WITH NO TIPS.

That's why I have no sympathy or waiters who bitch and moan and act entitled to tips, and why I don't understand why society props them up as some kind of martyrs and gives them tips to relieve their own guilt.

BEING A WAITER IS EASY-unless you're at some fancy ass restaurant and need to know how to chop steak and fold napkins properly and all those other weird manners. But chilis? EASY. That's why any retard off the street can walk in and get a job at places like that.

[PHX_Phan]

i didn't know that, i thought all waiters made at the very least min wage, and tips were always bonus off of that.

kind of like pizza deliverers always make a wage and tips are a bonus.

altho it looks like most states do pay waiters at the least min wage...Wyoming looks like the exception if i'm reading that right.

personally i think dealing with customers is a pain in the ass but i don't think the job is that difficult depending on the restaurant and how they disperse waiter vs bus boy duties. i know Phillips in Ocean City makes bus boys bring out food trays, and they do all of the clean up hours after close as well. Waiters just take orders and bring out small trays.

Most servers and delivery drivers do not make minimum wage hourly. There are exceptions, but of course the cost of living in those states is also much higher to where it's still pretty relative.

The jobs don't seem hard unless you've worked them and understand the stress. You only see your server a few times throughout your meal to take your order, refill drinks and bring the food. Probably doesn't seem like much, but when you are doing that for 4+ tables with 3+ guests per table? You also want to get people their food and anything else as quickly as possible so you can keep tables rotating with more guests.

Delivery driving is the same way. People only see them for a minute and say 'all he does is drive around' and assume they took their sweet ass time delivering your one pizza. In reality these guys are leaving the store with 3-4 orders and hauling ass to get as many pizzas delivered as possible. More deliveries = more money.

[Godzuki]

Most servers and delivery drivers do not make minimum wage hourly. There are exceptions, but of course the cost of living in those states is also much higher to where it's still pretty relative.

The jobs don't seem hard unless you've worked them and understand the stress. You only see your server a few times throughout your meal to take your order, refill drinks and bring the food. Probably doesn't seem like much, but when you are doing that for 4+ tables with 3+ guests per table? You also want to get people their food and anything else as quickly as possible so you can keep tables rotating with more guests.

Delivery driving is the same way. People only see them for a minute and say 'all he does is drive around' and assume they took their sweet ass time delivering your one pizza. In reality these guys are leaving the store with 3-4 orders and hauling ass to get as many pizzas delivered as possible. More deliveries = more money.


i used to deliver pizza's for a small local pizza joint when i was in HS, i know how that goes generally.

i was also a bus boy at Phillips in Ocean City during a summer in HS also....they were very strict and tight. Bus boys did almost everything, waiters just took orders and brought out drinks and small tray items but got the majority of tips they had to share with us, but i know they weren't honest about their full tip shares and they got tipped big(Phillips is rather famous and always crowded in the summer). we stayed until 11-12pm every night to clean up the place, it was like 2-3 hours~ of hard work clean up each night where they'd be super picky...waiters left at closing hours, or like half hour after.

thing is i recognize every place does things a bit differently so i get some waiters will have things much harder than others, and lower tips in general when they work at lower end food establishments. higher end ones make bank tho.

[DukeDelonte13]

Yes, if they follow the bureaucratic procedures properly, and get help from the Employmenty tribunal, which is free, and they are indeed being paid below minimum wage and can prove it, then yes it will do anything. You're dumb as f*ck if you just give up before even filing the proper procedures. Making complaints about this in the right way to the right people will indeed do something.

It's not my fault waiters are dumb and willingly accept their shitty wages without question.

It is not my job to tip. In Japan, a tip is seen as an insult to the server, who is expected to do a good job anyway regardless of the promise of the tip. This is the mindset that I have.

Why does this make people so angry, the concept of not tipping people who do the basic requirements of their job? All they do is write down an order and carry plates of food without dropping them. You really think they deserve a fat tip for doing the basic requirements in their job?


Yes everybody is dumb except for you. Tell me more about this employmenty tribunal.

[ace23]

What repurcussions should I expect? Are you saying that waiters and chefs are justified to spit in my food I am already paying for if they identify me as someone who doesn't tip?
They're not justified, but they'll do it. Lol

[NumberSix]

Yes I have. Claimjumpers biotch. Easiest job in the world. Mindnumbing. I have also worked jobs where I had 10 hour days, outside in the rain, and paid well under minimum wage WITH NO TIPS.

That's why I have no sympathy or waiters who bitch and moan and act entitled to tips, and why I don't understand why society props them up as some kind of martyrs and gives them tips to relieve their own guilt.

BEING A WAITER IS EASY-unless you're at some fancy ass restaurant and need to know how to chop steak and fold napkins properly and all those other weird manners. But chilis? EASY. That's why any retard off the street can walk in and get a job at places like that.
Vote UKIP....... (assuming you're able to vote)

[NumberSix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s1NxpjUkKY

[ihatetimthomas]

Yes, if they follow the bureaucratic procedures properly, and get help from the Employmenty tribunal, which is free, and they are indeed being paid below minimum wage and can prove it, then yes it will do anything. You're dumb as f*ck if you just give up before even filing the proper procedures. Making complaints about this in the right way to the right people will indeed do something.

It's not my fault waiters are dumb and willingly accept their shitty wages without question.

It is not my job to tip. In Japan, a tip is seen as an insult to the server, who is expected to do a good job anyway regardless of the promise of the tip. This is the mindset that I have.

Why does this make people so angry, the concept of not tipping people who do the basic requirements of their job? All they do is write down an order and carry plates of food without dropping them. You really think they deserve a fat tip for doing the basic requirements in their job?

You never answered my question. Then why do you eat out? If this system makes you sooooo angry, why promote it? You know why, because it has nothing to do with the system with you. You just sound angry at severs and you are taking your anger out on them. You feel it necessary to go out to eat and stiff servers because you view it as mindless. If this issue really did bother you, you would do a lot more than stiff servers and complain on a bball website. You would actually try to take the beurocratic approach you mention and try to take it up to the source. But you won't bc it's more fun to be cheap and lazy

[russwest0]

Most servers and delivery drivers do not make minimum wage hourly. There are exceptions, but of course the cost of living in those states is also much higher to where it's still pretty relative.

The jobs don't seem hard unless you've worked them and understand the stress. You only see your server a few times throughout your meal to take your order, refill drinks and bring the food. Probably doesn't seem like much, but when you are doing that for 4+ tables with 3+ guests per table? You also want to get people their food and anything else as quickly as possible so you can keep tables rotating with more guests.

Delivery driving is the same way. People only see them for a minute and say 'all he does is drive around' and assume they took their sweet ass time delivering your one pizza. In reality these guys are leaving the store with 3-4 orders and hauling ass to get as many pizzas delivered as possible. More deliveries = more money.

I missed the part where any of this is MY problem :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

All you pro-tippers standing in the way of progress with comments like "if you don't like it don't eat out" and "it's part of our culture so just deal with it." Good thing you guys weren't around during the civil rights movement. "If you don't like sitting at the back of the bus, don't ride the bus." "If you don't want to drink from a segregated water fountain, just stay home to drink water." "It's part of our culture so just deal with it."

smh. SMH:facepalm
Oh yeah, a voluntary place of employment that you know is "tipped work" before you choose to apply there is totally the same thing as racial segregation. Totally.

[ihatetimthomas]

All you pro-tippers standing in the way of progress with comments like "if you don't like it don't eat out" and "it's part of our culture so just deal with it."

Good thing you guys weren't around during the civil rights movement. "If you don't like sitting at the back of the bus, don't ride the bus." "If you don't want to drink from a segregated water fountain, just stay home to drink water." "It's part of our culture so just deal with it."

smh. SMH:facepalm

Tipping = racial equality? Lol

[NuggetsFan]

I'm white and don't tip. My family always tipped, actually way too much. I'll tip if I frequent the same place so my food doesn't get fcked with. I don't complain about service/mistakes etc. and am easy going/polite. I pay for the product and have nothing to do with the people working there. There choice, and I don't like the idea of being responsible for all the other assholes that make there job shitty.

I've known servers, specifically girls. They knowingly try to get into your wallet. Laugh about the dudes who give them large tips. Some people make a killing off tips simply for doing what is expected of them. Girls are tipped more than guys for a reason, it's just a stupid system. Drunk people tip way more on average. Tons of servers dog it and don't give a shit because they know the person is likely to atleast leave something. It's cringe worthy when the pretty girl acts nice and flirty with a dude and than the guy turns around and gives a massive tip :oldlol:

It's honestly annoying when your hanging out/trying to eat and some people won't screw off because there's going way over the top hunting for your money. I'm more likely to tip somebody if they just do there job without the extra bullshit.

It's deff makes me douchey to some people but I just can't follow people blindly into something just because it's accepted. I don't get tipping.

[NumberSix]

You get it.:applause:

What's next with you pro-tippers? Gonna tell gays who want to get married that if they don't like it, just don't fall in love with a person of the same sex?

Stop being a roadblock to progress, people.
The "pro-tippers" as you call them are the typical leftists. As usual, they think with emotions rather than logic.

"Oh no. These poor people need their tips."

Yeah, WHY do they need their tips? Because their industry pays them pennies. Take issue with the scumbag who refuses to pay a decent wage. As a consumer, I'm only interested in purchasing the product or not. The business practices and finances are not my concern. The workers' salaries have nothing to do with me.

Employers paying their staff below market value is not a justification why I need to subsidize some corporations staff. It's not remotely sensible to expect me to pay some waitress her wage so Chili's won't have to.

[PHX_Phan]

I'm white and don't tip. My family always tipped, actually way too much. I'll tip if I frequent the same place so my food doesn't get fcked with. I don't complain about service/mistakes etc. and am easy going/polite. I pay for the product and have nothing to do with the people working there. There choice, and I don't like the idea of being responsible for all the other assholes that make there job shitty.

I've known servers, specifically girls. They knowingly try to get into your wallet. Laugh about the dudes who give them large tips. Some people make a killing off tips simply for doing what is expected of them. Girls are tipped more than guys for a reason, it's just a stupid system. Drunk people tip way more on average. Tons of servers dog it and don't give a shit because they know the person is likely to atleast leave something. It's cringe worthy when the pretty girl acts nice and flirty with a dude and than the guy turns around and gives a massive tip :oldlol:


It's honestly annoying when your hanging out/trying to eat and some people won't screw off because there's going way over the top hunting for your money. I'm more likely to tip somebody if they just do there job without the extra bullshit.

It's deff makes me douchey to some people but I just can't follow people blindly into something just because it's accepted. I don't get tipping.

If it's annoying then go to a food joint where you grab your food at the counter and stop stiffing servers like a jackass :facepalm. You sound like an idiot bitching about being annoyed with the server and not wanting service when you were the one who decided to eat at a full-service restaurant.

Going to a full service restaurant where it is expected that you will be served by a waiter and then not tipping is taking advantage of a system to cheap out on a couple bucks. You're THAT GUY that is mooching the system while others support it.

Ironic that you say you don't blindly follow something, and yet you blindly stiff waiters because you are ignorant of how tipping works and why it is necessary.

[KyleKong]

I just got tipped 30% from a black couple.

:coleman:

This thread is a farse!

[Dr Seuss]

I just got tipped 30% from a black couple.

:coleman:

This thread is a farse!

but 30% on a shared $9 entree is like what... $2.80?

[Droid101]

but 30% on a shared $9 entree is like what... $2.80?
:roll:

[KyleKong]

but 30% on a shared $9 entree is like what... $2.80?

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/AKON_f971f1_2819288.jpg

[PHX_Phan]

but 30% on a shared $9 entree is like what... $2.80?

:lol :lol

[ihatetimthomas]

The "pro-tippers" as you call them are the typical leftists. As usual, they think with emotions rather than logic.

"Oh no. These poor people need their tips."

Yeah, WHY do they need their tips? Because their industry pays them pennies. Take issue with the scumbag who refuses to pay a decent wage. As a consumer, I'm only interested in purchasing the product or not. The business practices and finances are not my concern. The workers' salaries have nothing to do with me.

Employers paying their staff below market value is not a justification why I need to subsidize some corporations staff. It's not remotely sensible to expect me to pay some waitress her wage so Chili's won't have to.

I agree with the concept of tipping being a poor thing and I completely agree with you in terms of how crappy it is we as consumers are being passed the servers wage. There should be no tipping and corporations should pay their worth. However, part of being a functional human being in this society is doing things you don't agree with at times. I don't want to pay state tax, I don't want to pay for rising gas prices, I dont like paying crv on bottes I buy. But sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go with certain things because its a standard in the world we live in. I am not saying be a lemming and go with the flow, I whole heartedley agree with standing up for things you believe in, but stiffing servers is not sending a message or making a stand, all it does is screw the messenger over. Sometimes I think people make a stand on tipping because there is absolutely no repercussion for doing so.

[oarabbus]

[quote]What Happens When You Abolish Tipping

I got rid of gratuities at my restaurant, and our service only got better.

For more than six years, I ran a restaurant without tips.

A couple of years after opening the Linkery restaurant in San Diego, the team and I adopted a policy of adding to each dining-in check a service charge of 18 percent

[Droid101]

I agree with the concept of tipping being a poor thing and I completely agree with you in terms of how crappy it is we as consumers are being passed the servers wage. There should be no tipping and corporations should pay their worth. However, part of being a functional human being in this society is doing things you don't agree with at times. I don't want to pay state tax, I don't want to pay for rising gas prices, I dont like paying crv on bottes I buy. But sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go with certain things because its a standard in the world we live in. I am not saying be a lemming and go with the flow, I whole heartedley agree with standing up for things you believe in, but stiffing servers is not sending a message or making a stand, all it does is screw the messenger over. Sometimes I think people make a stand on tipping because there is absolutely no repercussion for doing so.
:applause:

Why purposefully harm your fellow man? Especially when you know someone else (their employer) is already harming them?

Be good to each other friends. That's how we progress as a society.

[NumberSix]

I agree with the concept of tipping being a poor thing and I completely agree with you in terms of how crappy it is we as consumers are being passed the servers wage. There should be no tipping and corporations should pay their worth. However, part of being a functional human being in this society is doing things you don't agree with at times. I don't want to pay state tax, I don't want to pay for rising gas prices, I dont like paying crv on bottes I buy. But sometimes you have to bite the bullet and go with certain things because its a standard in the world we live in. I am not saying be a lemming and go with the flow, I whole heartedley agree with standing up for things you believe in, but stiffing servers is not sending a message or making a stand, all it does is screw the messenger over. Sometimes I think people make a stand on tipping because there is absolutely no repercussion for doing so.
It's the free market my friend. If a business model isn't good, it should fail. If a tip is OPTIONAL and enough people refuse the option, people won't want to work in those places. They will opt for places with proper wages and the slumlord employers who don't want to pay their employees will go out of business if they don't adapt. The other option is don't go to these kind of businesses at all, and they'll again go out of business.

It's business' burden to bend to the desires of the consumers. Not the other way around. You're not doing me any favours. It's your job to make your business a place where I want to spend my money and a place where people want to work. It's not my responsibility to bend over backwards to make your business model successful.