10 years ago these men disgraced our nation

[Yao Ming's Foot]

United States (USA):
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
Emeka Okafor
Shawn Marion
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Lamar Odom
Richard Jefferson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtopNCH5-qY


http://blogs.lynn.edu/thejetstream/files/2009/09/never_forget_wtc1.jpg

[JohnMax]

http://tragicjohnsonblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/marbury.gif

[Lebronxrings]

duncan got exposed without pop.

[UK2K]

That is a butt squad.

[JohnMax]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

[hawkfan]

United States (USA):
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
Emeka Okafor
Shawn Marion
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Lamar Odom
Richard Jefferson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtopNCH5-qY


http://blogs.lynn.edu/thejetstream/files/2009/09/never_forget_wtc1.jpg

Take out Iverson and Marbury and that team wins gold.

[JohnMax]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/lebron-james-mirza-teletovic.jpg

Foreigners are not intimidated by Lebron

[edrick]

[img]Foreigners are not intimidated by Lebron

Why would anyone be afraid of a star in this ***** league? Nobody can do shit without being ejected.

[Lebronxrings]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif
too bad pop couldn't carry him in that game like all his other championships.

[T_L_P]

duncan got exposed without pop.

And yet, Pop was on the coaching staff.

This guy can't even remember something that happened ten years ago. Seeing Bran in a Cavs jersey will be new territory for him. :oldlol:

[DMV2]

too bad pop couldn't carry him in that game like all his other championships.
Too bad Ray Allen couldn't saved LeBron from being 2/5 this past June. :(

But at least Ray saved him from being 1/5.

[JellyBean]

I still remember Carlos Arroyo destroying Allen Iverson. Oh what the heck. Carlos Arroyo was Livin' La Vida Loca on the whole USA basketball team.

And Tim Duncan. The so called greatest PF :facepalm You would never see Karl Malone getting out played like Duncan was in that game.

[hawkfan]

I still remember Carlos Arroyo destroying Allen Iverson. Oh what the heck. Carlos Arroyo was Livin' La Vida Loca on the whole USA basketball team.

And Tim Duncan. The so called greatest PF :facepalm You would never see Karl Malone getting out played like Duncan was in that game.


Larry Brown.
Too concerned about hurting Marbury's feelings.

[Sakkreth]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/lebron-james-mirza-teletovic.jpg

Foreigners are not intimidated by Lebron

He was 19yrs old...

[Lebronxrings]

Too bad Ray Allen couldn't saved LeBron from being 2/5 this past June. :(

But at least Ray saved him from being 1/5.
thats pretty random dude... Whos talkin lebron?

[Magic 32]

http://media.cleveland.com/olympics_impact/photo/lebron-james-carmelo-anthonyjpg-f2bd9801cd499ee3.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2004-team-usa-lebron.jpg
http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lebronze-medal.jpg
http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kobe-bryant.gif
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+16+Basketball+ikVOip7C-z2l.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/08/12/US-finishes-with-most-golds-and-total-medals-GO226NDH-x-large.jpg

[Duderonomy]

United States (USA):
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
Emeka Okafor
Shawn Marion
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Lamar Odom
Richard Jefferson


That's a few billion dollars in career earnings on this list.

[DMV2]

thats pretty random dude... Whos talkin lebron?
LeBron was on the 2004 US team, dummy. :oldlol:

[AintNoSunshine]

At least they competed and represented their country, what the fukk did you ever do in your life for USA? Sit on your fat butt and post on ISH?

[GrapeApe]

I had forgotten what a horrible team that is on paper, especially considering LeBron, Wade, and Carmelo were rookies. What were they thinking when they put that squad together? :confusedshrug:

[Warfan]

OP is a tard for making this thread. Very subtle :applause:

[deja vu]

LeBronze

[BigTicket]

LeBronze Why blame a rookie who got almost no playing time ? This loss was on Marbury, Iverson and Duncan.

[kamil]

At least they competed and represented their country, what the fukk did you ever do in your life for USA? Sit on your fat butt and post on ISH?

You sound angry.

[Lebronxrings]

Why blame a rookie who got almost no playing time ? This loss was on Marbury, Iverson and Duncan.
this. B-b-but duncan is a top 5 player who had to carry scrubs though! NO way anyone could have carried a team composed of some of the best ball players of the league!

[Yao Ming's Foot]

At least they competed and represented their country, what the fukk did you ever do in your life for USA? Sit on your fat butt and post on ISH?

I help people who have not been paying their taxes file old tax returns and come up with payment arrangements with the IRS.

You are welcome.

[Take Your Lumps]

Why the **** was Richard Jefferson playing so many minutes? He looked AWFUL out there.

[Lebronxrings]

LeBron was on the 2004 US team, dummy. :oldlol:
so what does him and allen have to do with this?

[KBaller33]

That team was easily the worst the US team has put out on paper. Rookie Wade,LeBron, and Melo who didn't get playing time because of Brown's stubbornness. They had Okafor who came straight out of college? Kobe and Shaq were dealing with contract problems and trade talks so they didn't come out, although I think Shaq was 32 so he was getting up there in age. Having Marbury and Iverson on the same team is a nightmare although I'm an Iverson fan. That team was too young and lack most of our stars. What happened to KG,Kidd, Pierce, Webber, T-Mac and the rest of our stars?

[D-FENS]

United States (USA):
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
Emeka Okafor
Shawn Marion
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Lamar Odom
Richard Jefferson


The lack of floor spacing :biggums:

[Rake2204]

Since 1996, the USA slowly began veering away from a standard Dream Team lineup. There was a sense of "been there, done that" which led to most major stars dropping out by the time 2004 came around. As KBaller mentioned, amongst the stars missing included:

Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett
Vince Carter
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Jermaine O'Neal
Ray Allen

2002 was full of second tier players, when USA went 6-3 at the World Championships. In response, the big guns returned in '03 and they won each game by an average of 31 points per game. 9 of those 12 players then dropped out of the '04 games. I think that's what brought about the current system with commitments and tryouts and whatnot.

[JellyBean]

At least they competed and represented their country, what the fukk did you ever do in your life for USA? Sit on your fat butt and post on ISH?

:biggums:

[LAZERUSS]

Since 1996, the USA slowly began veering away from a standard Dream Team lineup. There was a sense of "been there, done that" which led to most major stars dropping out by the time 2004 came around. As KBaller mentioned, amongst the stars missing included:

Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett
Vince Carter
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Jermaine O'Neal
Ray Allen

2002 was full of second tier players, when USA went 6-3 at the World Championships. In response, the big guns returned in '03 and they won each game by an average of 31 points per game. 9 of those 12 players then dropped out of the '04 games. I think that's what brought about the current system with commitments and tryouts and whatnot.

THAT team would have romped to the Gold.

[LoneyROY7]

thats pretty random dude... Whos talkin lebron?

:facepalm

The OP's topic includes LeBron.

[ImKobe]

The team lacked leadership, just filled with a bunch of chuckers and one great two-way player.

Okafor, Richard Jefferson, Lamar Odom? garbage.

They had the talent, but severely lacked leadership with Kobe, Shaq & Kidd not participating.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, I don't think the players that actually played "disgraced" this nation. Any more than our '72 team, without pros, and minus several college stars, did.

Had we sent our BEST players in either year, it would have just been a question about margins of victories, not about Gold medals.

[KBaller33]

Since 1996, the USA slowly began veering away from a standard Dream Team lineup. There was a sense of "been there, done that" which led to most major stars dropping out by the time 2004 came around. As KBaller mentioned, amongst the stars missing included:

Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett
Vince Carter
Jason Kidd
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Jermaine O'Neal
Ray Allen

2002 was full of second tier players, when USA went 6-3 at the World Championships. In response, the big guns returned in '03 and they won each game by an average of 31 points per game. 9 of those 12 players then dropped out of the '04 games. I think that's what brought about the current system with commitments and tryouts and whatnot.


Does anyone know the reason why those guys didn't participate?

Edit: nevermind you answered that in your post.

[JellyBean]

The team lacked leadership, just filled with a bunch of chuckers and one great two-way player.

Okafor, Richard Jefferson, Lamar Odom? garbage.

They had the talent, but severely lacked leadership with Kobe, Shaq & Kidd not participating.

Leadership, no true point guard, and effort were the things that I took from that 2004 roster.

[Kblaze8855]

Im kinda wondering how many blaming the guards even remember watching that team...

At the time all of ISH was going crazy for Marbury. I think he set a team USA scoring record at one point. Iverson I remember hit a crazy kinda....eurostep floater from halfcourt to win one of the games at the buzzer.

The backcourt was usually fine. If anything Brown held the back. You dont tell AI and Marbury not to run....and bench Lebron and Wade when every time the team runs they murder people. Just poor decisions all around...

He had open court players asked to slow down which only got them....worse shots.

When AI, Marbury, and Lebron were out on the break they put in work. But they did too much walking it up and the young guys barely played.

Also...anyone remember the 03 team?

They had Iverson and owned everyone. It was Iverson. Kidd, Ray Allen, Vc, Mcgrady(who showed his ass and almost got in a fight vs Puerto Rico), and Jermaine Oneal. They were kinda nice.

More stars came out trying to get back the glory after losing in 02. The 03 team probably wins the 04 plympics. They beat Argentina. And Argentina was trying(unlike in some exhibitions where they sandbag and dont play zone or run pick and rolls).

[Kblaze8855]

2003 Team usa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ablxSpBcvkU#aid=P-Ca0Zjw3uY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OllYq1wFwAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C53kTd5HRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROriwZATh1g

Vince and Kidd had chemistry in 03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROriwZATh1g

[leopoldstotch]

http://i.imgur.com/zCL6X2K.png

Topi minutes guys:
Iverson (217)
Marbury (211)
Duncan (207)
Odom (176)
Marion (156)
Jefferson (148)

Come on. This isn't a top team here. Put this team together, and they're a 5th seed at best in the NBA playoffs. :facepalm

[gabepizza]

The team lacked leadership, just filled with a bunch of chuckers and one great two-way player.

Okafor, Richard Jefferson, Lamar Odom? garbage.

They had the talent, but severely lacked leadership with Kobe, Shaq & Kidd not participating.

Lamar Odom was arguably the 2nd best player on the 2010 WC team that won gold.

Also I don't think the 2004 team disgraced our nation. Yes they were badly put together and the 2nd worse NBA USA ever but they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team.

If anyone remembers the elimination game against Argentina, Duncan fouled out with a couple very questionable phantom calls.

Yes they were a weak team and got blown out by Italy in a friendly and then in the 1st Olympic game had USA's worse lose ever, getting blown out by Puerto Rico by 19 but unlike the 2002 that fell apart after their 1st loss going 1-2 after, the 2004 team played hard and went 5-2 after the PR loss including must win games beating Greece on their home court, the same Greek team that won a WC silver two year later, and beating a Spanish team in the quarter-finals, a Spanish team which was undefeated in pool play and two year later won WC gold. If the US lost that game the best they could have finished was 7th place and lastly getting revenge against Lithuania in the bronze medal game.

So yes while the 2004 was a bad team and an embarrassment they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team. They played hard and did the best they could with the team they had and could have done a lot worse.

[dubeta]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:oldlol: :oldlol:

too beta to show up when it counts

[gabepizza]

Does anyone know the reason why those guys didn't participate?

Edit: nevermind you answered that in your post.

I think some of it had to do with fear of terrorism. This was the first FIBA basketball tournament for Team USA out of the United States since 9/11.

[ImKobe]

Lamar Odom was arguably the 2nd best player on the 2010 WC team that won gold.

Also I don't think the 2004 team disgraced our nation. Yes they were badly put together and the 2nd worse NBA USA ever but they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team.

If anyone remembers the elimination game against Argentina, Duncan fouled out with a couple very questionable phantom calls.

Yes they were a weak team and got blown out by Italy in a friendly and then in the 1st Olympic game had USA's worse lose ever, getting blown out by Puerto Rico by 19 but unlike the 2002 that fell apart after their 1st loss going 1-2 after, the 2004 team played hard and went 5-2 after the PR loss including must win games beating Greece on their home court, the same Greek team that won a WC silver two year later, and beating a Spanish team in the quarter-finals, a Spanish team which was undefeated in pool play and two year later won WC gold. If the US lost that game the best they could have finished was 7th place and lastly getting revenge against Lithuania in the bronze medal game.

So yes while the 2004 was a bad team and an embarrassment they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team. They played hard and did the best they could with the team they had and could have done a lot worse.


LO was only 24 back then and though he had a decent NBA season, he was underwhelming in the Olympics. LO in 2010 was a much better all-around player. His 3pt shot was smoother. 2010-11 season was the peak of his career for me, 14 & 9 with 3 apg on 59%TS and 19 PER?

Odom's talked about how he always played high during his younger days, drugs destroyed that guy.

I don't think Odom is a garbage player, but in this context he should be. We're talking about Team USA here. All-time greats should be representing their countries in the Olympics, not guys that never even sniffed an all-star team.

[gabepizza]

Im kinda wondering how many blaming the guards even remember watching that team...

At the time all of ISH was going crazy for Marbury. I think he set a team USA scoring record at one point. Iverson I remember hit a crazy kinda....eurostep floater from halfcourt to win one of the games at the buzzer.

The backcourt was usually fine. If anything Brown held the back. You dont tell AI and Marbury not to run....and bench Lebron and Wade when every time the team runs they murder people. Just poor decisions all around...

He had open court players asked to slow down which only got them....worse shots.

When AI, Marbury, and Lebron were out on the break they put in work. But they did too much walking it up and the young guys barely played.

Also...anyone remember the 03 team?

They had Iverson and owned everyone. It was Iverson. Kidd, Ray Allen, Vc, Mcgrady(who showed his ass and almost got in a fight vs Puerto Rico), and Jermaine Oneal. They were kinda nice.

More stars came out trying to get back the glory after losing in 02. The 03 team probably wins the 04 plympics. They beat Argentina. And Argentina was trying(unlike in some exhibitions where they sandbag and dont play zone or run pick and rolls).


A couple of corrections. The game winner Iverson was just n a "friendly" a game that doesn't count.

And the USA actually beat Argentina twice in 2003, once in the quarter-final pool and then in the gold medal game. And this was the same Argentinian squad that won Olympic gold the next year.

But I think the guards were part of the problem. Yes Marbury set the Olympic record for most points scored up to that point in a very important quarter-final game against undefeated Spain but Marbury and Iverson both jack up shots. Maybe if they passed the ball into Duncan more the result might have been different.

[Sigmund Freud]

My analytical skills tell me OP is trying to insinuate this is a mark against LeBron James, which is ridiculous considering he wasn't close to one of the best players on the team at this time. He was 19 FFS

[ImKobe]

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+15+Basketball+z2RuU4hSXX3l.jpg

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+15+Basketball+6gRyQ25aUQcl.jpg

[leopoldstotch]

Lamar Odom was arguably the 2nd best player on the 2010 WC team that won gold.

Also I don't think the 2004 team disgraced our nation. Yes they were badly put together and the 2nd worse NBA USA ever but they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team.

If anyone remembers the elimination game against Argentina, Duncan fouled out with a couple very questionable phantom calls.

Yes they were a weak team and got blown out by Italy in a friendly and then in the 1st Olympic game had USA's worse lose ever, getting blown out by Puerto Rico by 19 but unlike the 2002 that fell apart after their 1st loss going 1-2 after, the 2004 team played hard and went 5-2 after the PR loss including must win games beating Greece on their home court, the same Greek team that won a WC silver two year later, and beating a Spanish team in the quarter-finals, a Spanish team which was undefeated in pool play and two year later won WC gold. If the US lost that game the best they could have finished was 7th place and lastly getting revenge against Lithuania in the bronze medal game.

So yes while the 2004 was a bad team and an embarrassment they were not a disgrace like the 2002 team. They played hard and did the best they could with the team they had and could have done a lot worse.


thanks for reminding everyone. Look at this roster and the list of players who got major minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/uiLnU5G.png

Ben Wallace? Michael Finley? Andre Miller? Baron Davis? Paul Pierce? Anthony Davis?

geez wow.

[lakerfreak]

duncan got exposed without pop.

Like someone else had mentioned, take out stephon marbury, Iverson, and that team probably goes all the way.

The truth is, the best thing about Duncan can also be his worst thing, but it still makes him one of the best of all time. His humility and team first mentality have made him a well-liked teammate. Its times when we would need him to demand the ball, when he would really need to demand the ball. It's not really in his nature to acknowledge that he is the better one of the group. That part was Marbury and Iverson's responsibility. They didn't however. It's too bad Duncan was born a Power Forward and not a PG, where he could be the first one with the ball on every possession. It'd be interesting to see how that had played out.

[GimmeThat]

years later, players like Michael Redd, Tayshaun Prince made the team.

that squad really has no 3 point shooting whatsoever when you considered the age of those players as well as international basketball(FIBA) style of play

[inclinerator]

thanks for reminding everyone. Look at this roster and the list of players who got major minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/uiLnU5G.png

Ben Wallace? Michael Finley? Andre Miller? Baron Davis? Paul Pierce? Anthony Davis?

geez wow.

lol

[SourGrapes]

thanks for reminding everyone. Look at this roster and the list of players who got major minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/uiLnU5G.png

Ben Wallace? Michael Finley? Andre Miller? Baron Davis? Paul Pierce? Anthony Davis?

geez wow.

Antonio?

[Soundwave]

Losers. Timmy should've stayed home.

[Heavincent]

Good thing Kobe was there in 08 to lead the redeem team.

[imdaman99]

Interesting that Wade got more mins than bran and melo combined.

[no pun intended]

thanks for reminding everyone. Look at this roster and the list of players who got major minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/uiLnU5G.png

Ben Wallace? Michael Finley? Andre Miller? Baron Davis? Paul Pierce? Anthony Davis?

geez wow.
Davis is a time-traveler confirmed.

[dubeta]

Still dont know why they didnt start LeBron

at 19 he was still better than anyone else except probably A.I

[KBaller33]

Still dont know why they didnt start LeBron

at 19 he was still better than anyone else except probably A.I

Pretty disrespectful to prime tim duncan

[Lebronxrings]

Pretty disrespectful to prime tim duncan
Why? Pop made Duncan.

[dubeta]

Pretty disrespectful to prime tim duncan

disrespecting a role player is no biggie :confusedshrug:

[T_L_P]

Why? Pop made Duncan.

Really? Because Jerry West and the three or four teams tanking to get him knew he'd be a superstar right away.

Are you seriously hellbent on hating everyone that isn't LeBron? What's even the point?

[Soundwave]

lol, Bran stans ... get clowned by Duncan in the Finals, back to talking sh*t eight weeks later. No shame at all.

[dubeta]

lol, Bran stans ... get clowned by Duncan in the Finals, back to talking sh*t eight weeks later. No shame at all.

thats like saying Spurs got clowed by Battier in 2013 :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

And yet, Pop was on the coaching staff.

This guy can't even remember something that happened ten years ago. Seeing Bran in a Cavs jersey will be new territory for him. :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll:


But for real, this squad should've won gold. The talent, the coaching...SMH

[sportjames23]

http://media.cleveland.com/olympics_impact/photo/lebron-james-carmelo-anthonyjpg-f2bd9801cd499ee3.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2004-team-usa-lebron.jpg
http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lebronze-medal.jpg
http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kobe-bryant.gif
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+16+Basketball+ikVOip7C-z2l.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/08/12/US-finishes-with-most-golds-and-total-medals-GO226NDH-x-large.jpg


What you did there, I see it. :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

Why the **** was Richard Jefferson playing so many minutes? He looked AWFUL out there.

:no:

[rhowen4]

:no:
the gay community would have been up in arms

because richard jefferson is a gay

[Macho Grande]

Yes, I remember well. Terrible backcourt, and SO many BS fouls called on our bigs. Especially Duncan. There wasn't one single game I can remember where Duncan wasn't in early foul trouble. They fouled him out after only 19-1/2 minutes in the semi-final against Argentina. Not once did Duncan even have a CHANCE to play a full game. But opposing teams were able to hack him to death with no calls at all. After Duncan's fifth foul against Argentina, I remember even one of the NBC announcers finally mentioning how bad the officiating had been against Duncan throughout the Olympics.

"Fiba Sucks." That's what Duncan had to say about the atrocious reffing against Team USA in that Olympics. Think about that. This is the quiet, boring, never complain to the media Duncan. So for him to drop that bomb is saying something.

[riseagainst]

http://media.cleveland.com/olympics_impact/photo/lebron-james-carmelo-anthonyjpg-f2bd9801cd499ee3.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2004-team-usa-lebron.jpg
http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lebronze-medal.jpg
http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kobe-bryant.gif
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+16+Basketball+ikVOip7C-z2l.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/08/12/US-finishes-with-most-golds-and-total-medals-GO226NDH-x-large.jpg

:bowdown: :bowdown:


the savior. Redeem team.

:bowdown:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yes, I remember well. Terrible backcourt, and SO many BS fouls called on our bigs. Especially Duncan. There wasn't one single game I can remember where Duncan wasn't in early foul trouble. They fouled him out after only 19-1/2 minutes in the semi-final against Argentina. Not once did Duncan even have a CHANCE to play a full game. But opposing teams were able to hack him to death with no calls at all. After Duncan's fifth foul against Argentina, I remember even one of the NBC announcers finally mentioning how bad the officiating had been against Duncan throughout the Olympics.

"Fiba Sucks." That's what Duncan had to say about the atrocious reffing against Team USA in that Olympics. Think about that. This is the quiet, boring, never complain to the media Duncan. So for him to drop that bomb is saying something.

Yeah Duncan never complains about foul calls. :rolleyes:


http://spreegoogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/duncan-face.jpg

[GODbe]

Can't blame them. They didn't have Goldbe.

[Macho Grande]

Yeah Duncan never complains about foul calls. :rolleyes:



Read my post again. I said never complains to the media. You might wanna work on that reading comprehension.

[FireMcFailPlease]

this was such an embarrassment, along with 2006.

thank god for coach K...and the sense to bring in guys who can hit 3 pters.

[Heavincent]

http://media.cleveland.com/olympics_impact/photo/lebron-james-carmelo-anthonyjpg-f2bd9801cd499ee3.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2004-team-usa-lebron.jpg
http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lebronze-medal.jpg
http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kobe-bryant.gif
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+16+Basketball+ikVOip7C-z2l.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/08/12/US-finishes-with-most-golds-and-total-medals-GO226NDH-x-large.jpg

Perfect :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

Did anyone really think a USA team with Kobe on it would lose? Boy, please.

Kobe let the others shine in the blowouts, but when the game was close near the end, Kobe got that GOLD, son.

[Lebron23]

2002 USA Team was the worst team of all time. LMAO at blaming Lebron, Wade Melo, Amare and Bosh. They barely got some playing time.

[masonanddixon]

And now a dude from Kenya is disgracing America.

[T_L_P]

Man that team was so shitty. Iverson shot his usual 35%, RJeff (who Larry Brown fell in love with) was terrible on offense and equally useless on defense (apparently he was gonna be the stopper), Carmelo looked good but Brown didn't know how to use him. Duncan fouled out every game.

Anyone blaming Duncan clearly didn't watch the team play in 03. He was the best player on a well build team. He went to Athens with a bunch of teenagers and chuckers, and some role players. If it wasn't for him and Marbury's 30(?) point game they wouldn't have even won bronze.

[JohnFreeman]

You can't blame the rookies

[T_L_P]

You can't blame the rookies

Agreed. It was Larry Brown's inability to make changes. The other countries played non-stop zone because they knew we couldn't hit an outside shot. It was frustrating as hell to watch.

[davehos]

Not sure why people are hating on Tim Duncan. Were most of the haters not born yet? Seriously.

He was by far the best player on that squad. Duncan was the only one close to averaging a double double.

Coaching ****ing killed it that year. They were not playing the best players. Politics. They got exposed by team play.

[HylianNightmare]

My dude Arroyo was on his game

[Skyscraper]

the world got a huge bo ner a result of this and never let go (especially a poster named AppleNader for a few years) until the Redeem TEam


Honestly, the A team did not go.


To name a few, prime Jason Kidd, KG, Shaq, Kobe, TMac, VC


Just look at the 2003 USA qualifer team and compare to this one

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Iverson and Marbury are not the type of players i'd want on a team like this....and yeah not nearly enough shooting on this team...not a single player i'd consider a reliable 3 point shooter Jefferson may be the best...

[tmacattack33]

Did anyone really think a USA team with Kobe on it would lose? Boy, please.

Kobe let the others shine in the blowouts, but when the game was close near the end, Kobe got that GOLD, son.

Actually, Kobe was shooting just as much as many of the other guys. He was just missing and inefficient. So, no, saying "he was just letting the other guys shine" is not valid.

[Rocketswin2013]

United States (USA):
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
Emeka Okafor
Shawn Marion
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Lamar Odom
Richard Jefferson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtopNCH5-qY


http://blogs.lynn.edu/thejetstream/files/2009/09/never_forget_wtc1.jpg
Probably the worst shooting and passing USA team ever.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebronxrings and John Max = Worthless trolls

gtfoh

[East_Stone_Ya]

I still remember Carlos Arroyo destroying Allen Iverson. Oh what the heck. Carlos Arroyo was Livin' La Vida Loca on the whole USA basketball team.

And Tim Duncan. The so called greatest PF :facepalm You would never see Karl Malone getting out played like Duncan was in that game.

also don't forget Larry Ayuso

[GimmeThat]

Man that team was so shitty. Iverson shot his usual 35%, RJeff (who Larry Brown fell in love with) was terrible on offense and equally useless on defense (apparently he was gonna be the stopper), Carmelo looked good but Brown didn't know how to use him. Duncan fouled out every game.

Anyone blaming Duncan clearly didn't watch the team play in 03. He was the best player on a well build team. He went to Athens with a bunch of teenagers and chuckers, and some role players. If it wasn't for him and Marbury's 30(?) point game they wouldn't have even won bronze.


yea, Kobe MIGHT have helped that team win Gold.

I didn't nearly watch enough basketball before, but now looking at it, it was truly constructed poorly. can't say there was a legit 7-footer on that team. and I'd like to think that Larry Brown couldn't instill his defensive principle in that brief amount of time probably hurt the most.

I can see that team communicating with one another on the defensive end yet still missess assignments like no other.

[Bandito]

also don't forget Larry Ayuso
That guy was on a roll forever.:cheers:

Already better than V-Span.

[Lebronxrings]

Man that team was so shitty. Iverson shot his usual 35%, RJeff (who Larry Brown fell in love with) was terrible on offense and equally useless on defense (apparently he was gonna be the stopper), Carmelo looked good but Brown didn't know how to use him. Duncan fouled out every game.

Anyone blaming Duncan clearly didn't watch the team play in 03. He was the best player on a well build team. He went to Athens with a bunch of teenagers and chuckers, and some role players. If it wasn't for him and Marbury's 30(?) point game they wouldn't have even won bronze.
ahhh so its a coachs fault that duncan couldn't win with one of the best teams in history.

When lebron loses in the finals with a scrub team its his fault, when duncan wins bronze with a stacked olympic team, its the coaches fault!

top 5 player my ass :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[T_L_P]

ahhh so its a coachs fault that duncan couldn't win with one of the best teams in history.

When lebron loses in the finals with a scrub team its his fault, when duncan wins bronze with a stacked olympic team, its the coaches fault!

top 5 player my ass :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Firstly, you're the one who said Duncan got exposed without Pop. Then I schooled you by pointing out that Pop was on that coaching staff and, of course, you didn't reply. Idiot. :oldlol:

Secondly, no serious fan blames LeBron for 07. His team was no match for the Spurs. 2011 is a different story, no matter what you blind stans say. LeBron looked like Brad Miller in fourth quarters of those games.

And I have pointed out what went wrong with that team. But of course a stupid kid (you must be one since you didn't know Pop was on that 04 team) just assumes the best player on the team that loses is at fault. Care to explain exactly how Duncan lost us that tournament, citing certain moments for example?

[T_L_P]

Best basketball post OP has EVER made. Congrats. Took you years to finally do it.

2002 was more embarrassing, but this one is worse given it was on the Olympic stage.

And the funniest thing? People who rep Duncan hard, and hate on Marbury / Iverson? Duncan was atrocious in FIBA. Fouled out consistently, didn't dominate either end of the floor.

Meanwhile Marbury, and Iverson were by far and away our best players in that tournament.

Larry Brown coming off a championship was terrible. Him and his obsession with not playing young rookies. When Bron, Wade were running the floor, pushing the tempo the team was dominant. But he always pulled them from the game prematurely, and didn't let us run.

We had slim amounts of shooters. Not much defense being played. Shame most of the 1st and 2nd tier stars weren't able to show or pulled themselves from the tournament: Shaq, KG, Kobe, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Kidd, Bibby, and VC. All guys who were elite at the time, and who should've been our starting roster.

In the summer of 2003, the FIBA qualifiers, the USA team dominated. Led by Kidd / Iverson / McGrady, and VC. Smoked defending champs Argentina even.

2004 killed us. We let Carlos Arroyo and Puerto Rico spank us. That speaks to the total lack of defense being played.

And then we had to wait for Kobe / Kidd to be able to come back lead us, and for LeBron / Wade to mature, and develop jump shots / defense until we were SMASHING teams again.

Say what you want about Duncan in 04, but he was the best player in the 03 tournament. Duncan was the leading scorer, rebounder and was second in FG% to VC, as well as third in assists and number one in blocks. He was dominant, and to list AI and T-Mac ahead of him there reeks of an agenda.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Say what you want about Duncan in 04, but he was the best player in the 03 tournament. Duncan was the leading scorer, rebounder and was second in FG% to VC, as well as third in assists and number one in blocks. He was dominant, and to list AI and T-Mac ahead of him there reeks of an agenda.
What? Team USA 2003 had massive amounts of PRIME / PEAK level talent. In 2003?

Kidd, McGrady, Iverson, Carter, Bibby, Ray Allen were all at or near their peak. That's massive amounts of help.

The 2004 Olympics team ACTUALLY needed from a talent, and production perspective more help from the "amighty best PF (actually C) of all-time" ... for him to you know, actually play like that

The result?

No excuses, no agenda Duncan was absolutely piss poor. When the much maligned Stephon Marbury is out performing such a touted top ten caliber player of all-time, you have problems.

Yes, both Iverson, and Marbury were better than Duncan in the 2004 Olympics. Easily in fact. Duncan couldn't even keep himself in the games.

Then 2007 comes around, and two perimeter players (Kidd / Kobe) managed to actually lead, and change the poor defensive culture trend within Team USA before a hyped up defensive big could do in Tim Duncan.

Pathetic.

[deja vu]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was the threat of terrorism the reason why many of the US stars decided to stay home?

If so, then we should applaud the 2004 team for putting patriotism and love of country before personal safety reasons.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was the threat of terrorism the reason why many of the US stars decided to stay home?
Some, not all. But yes. Kobe couldn't compete for 2x years in a row due to knee, shoulder surgeries, and rape case. The rest pulled themselves due to either injury, or terrorism threats. Everyone gives Duncan a pass for everything. I'm not letting his putrid performance in 2004 for my country when we actually needed it being swept under the rug.

[T_L_P]

What? Team USA 2003 had massive amounts of PRIME / PEAK level talent. In 2003?

Kidd, McGrady, Iverson, Carter, Bibby, Ray Allen were all at or near their peak. That's massive amounts of help.

The 2004 Olympics team ACTUALLY needed from a talent, and production perspective more help from the "amighty best PF (actually C) of all-time" ... for him to you know, actually play like that

The result?

No excuses, no agenda Duncan was absolutely piss poor. When the much maligned Stephon Marbury is out performing such a touted top ten caliber player of all-time, you have problems.

Yes, both Iverson, and Marbury were better than Duncan in the 2004 Olympics. Easily in fact. Duncan couldn't even keep himself in the games.

Then 2007 comes around, and two perimeter players (Kidd / Kobe) managed to actually lead, and change the poor defensive culture trend within Team USA before a hyped up defensive big could do in Tim Duncan.

Pathetic.

The **** does any of this have to do with what I said? I said in the 03 qualifiers Duncan was our best player. When you mentioned 03 you said they were lead by Kidd/AI/T-Mac/Carter, excluding Duncan's name. That's what I addressed.

04 is a different story. Duncan wasn't very good, and he wasn't our best player. You won't see me saying he is.

But my post was specifically about 03. :confusedshrug:

Also, I really hope you're not trying to say something about Duncan's legacy based on a dozen off-season games. :oldlol: