Should the NBA just create it's own World Cup?

[Dr.J4ever]

In light of NBA GM's reactions on the PG injury, should the NBA stage it's own World Cup event every 4 years?

The NBA would own and market the event. The NBA would invite the top NTs from around the world, including Team USA, to participate. The NBA could then also share revenues to other international leagues like the EL, Chinese league, Aussie league etc. depending on the amount of participation from their players that participate.

This is a model initially suggested by Mark Cuban. The model would allow for the world to crown a basketball champion, but also solve the problem of NBA owners risk exposure when their franchise players join NTs without being rewarded.

Imagine the profits created by the event when marketed by the NBA. Franchise owners, not just in the NBA, but all over the world will be happy because of revenue and just rewards.

The event could render Fiba irrelevant. So you can be sure that this will be opposed by them. If the NBA uses it's muscle though, I believe this could be feasible.

[Haymaker]

Stern was pushing for something similar. I guess if they offer better incentives/profits than FIBA, the intl teams could hop in.

[knickscity]

The NBA certainly gains from the internation games mainly by having player exposure, which is why they joined in the first place.

I seriously dont see this taking off mainly because the world doesnt view basketball like the USA does.

For the rest of the world it's not one of their top sports, outside of repping their country the world has no use for it.

[robert de niro]

:oldlol:

[Dr.J4ever]

Stern was pushing for something similar. I guess if they offer better incentives/profits than FIBA, the intl teams could hop in.

Cuban basically mentioned something to the effect that people are basically saying these events are about national pride, when the fiba and the ioc are making all the money here.

So NBA owners are letting these 2 groups use their franchise players for free. Any sense in that?

[deja vu]

I don't think other countries would accept a world cup run by the NBA. They'd think only the USA would benefit from such an event and rightfully so.

[Oly BC]

Federations organize all sorts of tournaments for kids that have very little revenue potential, they build training facilities and courts for them to play in, employ coaching and training stuff etc.
Cuban doesn't need more money.

[ImKobe]

I don't think other countries would accept a world cup run by the NBA. They'd think only the USA would benefit from such an event and rightfully so.


This. The idea only benefits the NBA.

[Dr.J4ever]

I don't think other countries would accept a world cup run by the NBA. They'd think only the USA would benefit from such an event and rightfully so.

Why would it only benefit the NBA? I mentioned the NBA sharing profits with other leagues.

[knickscity]

Why would it only benefit the NBA? I mentioned the NBA sharing profits with other leagues.
The rest of the world are just happy to rep their country.

THE NBA's only interest would be money.

It will never work, if the NBA is that sour....pull out.

[Fiba basketball]

You guys act like PG is the first player to get injured while playing for NT.

Do you know how many European players play for NTs while injured insted of taking a summer to recover.And they too have teams that pay them a lot of money but if the team has a problem with player wanting to play for NT despite that being bad for them then they should had signed him.

[iamgine]

Not feasible right now.

This will put the NBA in direct war with FIBA. And both parties definitely don't want that.

[deja vu]

Why would it only benefit the NBA? I mentioned the NBA sharing profits with other leagues.
Because other countries would have no say on how the tournament is organized. Unless there's gonna be representatives.

[duskovujosevic]

FIBA is governing body responsible for all internationl competitions, back in the 1989,1990 former FIBA executive and Hall of fame member Borislav Stankovic along with Stern introduced NBA players in international competitions, and we all agree that bringing NBA players made basketball worldwide popular sport. NBA can make world cup but it won't be recognized on international level.

Removing NBA players from international competitions is step backward.

[deja vu]

Honestly the NBA doesn't need the money from FIBA. Yes, FIBA has corruption issues but they're helping basketball at the grassroots level. What the NBA should do is to work out some issues with FIBA. Starting a rival tourney would set back basketball.

[duskovujosevic]

NBA is private league.
FIBA is world governing basketball organization.

[stallionaire]

The NBA certainly gains from the internation games mainly by having player exposure, which is why they joined in the first place.

I seriously dont see this taking off mainly because the world doesnt view basketball like the USA does.

For the rest of the world it's not one of their top sports, outside of repping their country the world has no use for it.

NBA broadcasting its games via streaming to an international audience does more for league exposure than sending its players abroad on Team USA to make money for FIBA.

It's sad but I honestly think that the World Cup basketball will be for college players. The olympics is a different story imo.

[Torious]

There's an agreement between the NBA and FIBA in place that can prevent players from participating if there's a risk to aggravate an injury. See Manu. What else do you want?

[Oly BC]

You guys act like PG is the first player to get injured while playing for NT.

Do you know how many European players play for NTs while injured insted of taking a summer to recover.And they too have teams that pay them a lot of money but if the team has a problem with player wanting to play for NT despite that being bad for them then they should had signed him.
Footballers in the world cup would get in and play after suffering concussions but suddenly one american gets injured and the whole international tournament must be called in question.:banghead:

[Rooster]

You guys act like PG is the first player to get injured while playing for NT.

Do you know how many European players play for NTs while injured insted of taking a summer to recover.And they too have teams that pay them a lot of money but if the team has a problem with player wanting to play for NT despite that being bad for them then they should had signed him.

Most of the Euro guys that get injured are hardly a factor in the NBA.:no:

[Lebronxrings]

why, so they can rig it? Countries have probably seen the 2014 finals and know how shrewd the nba works with the officiating and bias. The nba is smart, hence why their pick won.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Stern and Silver have been trying for a long time to figure out a way to boost the WC and make it a big event.

But not NBA exclusive run. The profits would go around.

The idea I like is making the Olympics a 23U tournament and the WC an open event.

[Soundwave]

The NBA certainly gains from the internation games mainly by having player exposure, which is why they joined in the first place.

I seriously dont see this taking off mainly because the world doesnt view basketball like the USA does.

For the rest of the world it's not one of their top sports, outside of repping their country the world has no use for it.

Yeah that's the problem.

The whole point of basketball at the Olympics is the exposure you get from people who maybe don't watch the NBA regularly.

An NBA World Cup is just going to be something for basketball hardcore to watch and no one else.

[Dr.J4ever]

This proposal basically cuts out the middleman: FIBA.

If the NBA can come to an agreement with the Euroleague, the Australian League, Chinese League, this is the bulk of the best players in the world. Is it not? Other leagues would have to fall in line to join this new World Cup.

No more risk for injured players incapacitating franchise owners, not just for NBA teams, but for all big time franchises all over the world. Why? Because profits will be shared all around. The NBA with other leagues will share profits, and the players will get paid.

Everyone will be happy. We can even hold the event in different countries so as to remove the home court bias factor. We can have referees from the NBA and the EL and the other leagues referee the games. No more notorious FIBA refs.

The more I think about it, the more feasible it seems.

[deja vu]

I don't think the NBA is prepared or willing to handle the logistics of such an event. Are they willing to organize the qualification tournaments, too? I don't think other countries will join it if they're not involved in its affairs and decision making.

[outbreak]

This proposal basically cuts out the middleman: FIBA.

If the NBA can come to an agreement with the Euroleague, the Australian League, Chinese League, this is the bulk of the best players in the world. Is it not? Other leagues would have to fall in line to join this new World Cup.

No more risk for injured players incapacitating franchise owners, not just for NBA teams, but for all big time franchises all over the world. Why? Because profits will be shared all around. The NBA with other leagues will share profits, and the players will get paid.

Everyone will be happy. We can even hold the event in different countries so as to remove the home court bias factor. We can have referees from the NBA and the EL and the other leagues referee the games. No more notorious FIBA refs.

The more I think about it, the more feasible it seems.

You have missed the entire point of a federation. Federations run these events and are supposed to be using profits to help establish more basketball programs and help improve the lesser countries that don't have top notch leagues. They run camps, build courts, provide balls, give funding to smaller countries so they can afford to train and keep a national team. It's about bettering the sport worldwide not about a league making any money. What you are talking about sounds like it would work better if it were a worldwide club championship but didn't Euroleague talk once about FIBA trying to organise that already and the NBA not wanting a part of it? May be wrong on that it was awhile back.

The world already has a world championships and doesn't need another one, the risk to injury would be just as high in this tournament all that it changes is that the NBA would make more money and basketball world wide would be hurt.

[Euroleague]

This would not even be legal. FIBA and the national federations own the legal rights to such tournaments.

Cuban's proposal has NOTHING to do with any national team tournament because it would NOT be legal and could NEVER take place.

What Cuban is proposing is to ELIMINATE entirely all national team competitions for all NBA players, both from USA and for all other countries, just as it used to be.

Then to make money off a club competition.

Anyone with even a very rudimentary legal knowledge would be able to grasp that.

And no, it will NOT go over, because the GIGANTIC European clubs are MUCH MUCH MUCH richer than the NBA teams and yet Cuban will of course have it in his mind that the NBA will get something like 90% of the profit while the mega rich European clubs only get like 10% of the profit or whatever.

And that is never going to go over with these super huge and mega rich European clubs that have tens of millions of fans around the world.

What also wont go over is telling the non USA players that they can't play in the NBA if they want to play for their national team, like it used to be, which is exactly what Cuban is proposing.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with a national team competition, because FIBA and the national federations own those rights. Cuban just can't take those rights and do whatever the hell he wants with it. That's not legal. So no way in hell is that what he's talking about here.

Cuban was there in person in Barcelona when Barca kicked the Mavs asses and he saw up close in person what big Euroleague clubs can do to NBA teams. That's what he is talking about here. An NBA versus Euroleague championship, with big clubs from other big leagues also, like say Brazil and Eurocup, etc.

[Dr.J4ever]

I don't think the NBA is prepared or willing to handle the logistics of such an event. Are they willing to organize the qualification tournaments, too? I don't think other countries will join it if they're not involved in its affairs and decision making.

The NBA isn't prepared right now to handle the logistics of this event. This is obviously something that will require quite a bit of laying down the infrastructure and the like, but it is certainly possible.

You are right, however, about the qualifying tournaments. Arrangements will have to be made for this. Hey, I don't have all the answers, but many minds sitting on big table should certainly come up with solutions for this.

[Dr.J4ever]

You have missed the entire point of a federation. Federations run these events and are supposed to be using profits to help establish more basketball programs and help improve the lesser countries that don't have top notch leagues. They run camps, build courts, provide balls, give funding to smaller countries so they can afford to train and keep a national team. It's about bettering the sport worldwide not about a league making any money. What you are talking about sounds like it would work better if it were a worldwide club championship but didn't Euroleague talk once about FIBA trying to organise that already and the NBA not wanting a part of it? May be wrong on that it was awhile back.

The world already has a world championships and doesn't need another one, the risk to injury would be just as high in this tournament all that it changes is that the NBA would make more money and basketball world wide would be hurt.

The risk to injury would be the same as a franchise player playing for a typical NBA team. No regrets because the risk is shared between franchise owner, the league, and the players. This is because profits will be shred between all 3 parties.

Fiba helping out kids, balls, and courts is already being done by the NBA and even the euroleague, I think. No biggie.

Yes Fiba might become irrelevant in this scenario, but Fiba is playing the role of the middleman right now garnering profits but not bearing any risk suffered by NBA or other leagues franchise players. What's equitable about that?

[Euroleague]

Honestly the NBA doesn't need the money from FIBA. Yes, FIBA has corruption issues but they're helping basketball at the grassroots level. What the NBA should do is to work out some issues with FIBA. Starting a rival tourney would set back basketball.

It would not even be a rival tourney, even if in theory it ever happened. Because I don't think it would even be seen as legit, due to the following:

Right off the bat.....

1. It would be under NBA rules.

2. It would have 3 NBA refs.

3. It would take place in USA.

4. They would only invite national teams - there would be no qualifications. And they would only invite which teams USA Basketball believed were "worthy" and which teams USA Basketball thought could NOT beat Team USA.

5. It would only include a very, very small number of teams, again that NBA was only interested in "marketing" like only the ones that could all load with NBA players.......so not even Spain would get an invite.

6. It would be called something stupid like, "NBA World Cup".

7. The winner of the tournament would get the "David Stern Memorial Trophy" (an insult)......

8. The MVP of the tournament (always no matter what of course would be voted to an American) would be given the "Mark Cuban MVP Award".

So you would see something France, Turkey, Serbia, Croatia (maybe in the near future) that's about it and no one else in this "world cup".

Because it would only include "NBA players", etc.

The winner of this tournament would REFUSE to play against the winner of the Olympics and the winner of the FIBA World Cup. And Yet of course, the winner of this tournament would declare itself the "world champions", even though they would not, without actually playing against those other teams, just like the NBA club winners call themselves the "world champions" even though they are not without actually playing at the FIBA Intercontinental Cup....etc.

It would be a gigantic marketing blitz with endless commercials, sponsors, promotions. It would look more like an all star game. It would have all the bullshit, with "star treatment", "star calls", no hand checking, defensive 3 seconds, etc.

And after playing in the tournament probably just once, serious teams like Serbia would probably refuse to ever play there again. The NBA could sadly never be trusted with something like this.

[Dr.J4ever]

This would not even be legal. FIBA and the national federations own the legal rights to such tournaments.

Cuban's proposal has NOTHING to do with any national team tournament because it would NOT be legal and could NEVER take place.

What Cuban is proposing is to ELIMINATE entirely all national team competitions for all NBA players, both from USA and for all other countries, just as it used to be.

Then to make money off a club competition.

Anyone with even a very rudimentary legal knowledge would be able to grasp that.

And no, it will NOT go over, because the GIGANTIC European clubs are MUCH MUCH MUCH richer than the NBA teams and yet Cuban will of course have it in his mind that the NBA will get something like 90% of the profit while the mega rich European clubs only get like 10% of the profit or whatever.

And that is never going to go over with these super huge and mega rich European clubs that have tens of millions of fans around the world.

What also wont go over is telling the non USA players that they can't play in the NBA if they want to play for their national team, like it used to be, which is exactly what Cuban is proposing.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with a national team competition, because FIBA and the national federations own those rights. Cuban just can't take those rights and do whatever the hell he wants with it. That's not legal. So no way in hell is that what he's talking about here.

Cuban was there in person in Barcelona when Barca kicked the Mavs asses and he saw up close in person what big Euroleague clubs can do to NBA teams. That's what he is talking about here. An NBA versus Euroleague and championship, with big clubs from other big leagues also, like say Brazil and Eurocup, etc.

No, he specifically mentioned the "world cup" idea again now in response to the George injury. He wants a World Cup with nations vs. nations, not club competitions.

http://deadspin.com/mark-cuban-suggests-an-nba-world-cup-1615379997

And stop it with your legal mumbo jumbo. You're not an international lawyer!:facepalm

[outbreak]

The risk to injury would be the same as a franchise player playing for a typical NBA team. No regrets because the risk is shared between franchise owner, the league, and the players. This is because profits will be shred between all 3 parties.

Fiba helping out kids, balls, and courts is already being done by the NBA and even the euroleague, I think. No biggie.

Yes Fiba might become irrelevant in this scenario, but Fiba is playing the role of the middleman right now garnering profits but not bearing any risk suffered by NBA or other leagues franchise players. What's equitable about that?

The NBA funds other countries basketball programs? That's news to me? They do their little tick a box camps but they don't out right provide funding for countries. It's a totally different beast.

I don't know about the legality and all that but as crazy as Euroleague can be about some players he does know alot about how international basketball is structured so he is probably correct in his points as well.

[Euroleague]

Stern was pushing for something similar. I guess if they offer better incentives/profits than FIBA, the intl teams could hop in.

No he was not. Stern wanted to make the Olympics an under-23 tournament, and make the FIBA World Cup the only world championship. Which is the absolute logical and practical thing to do and what should be done.

But Americans went freaking nuts at that totally logical and practical proposal he made.

[Dr.J4ever]

It would not even be a rival tourney, even if in theory it ever happened. Because I don't think it would even be seen as legit, due to the following:

Right off the bat.....

1. It would be under NBA rules.

2. It would have 3 NBA refs.

3. It would take place in USA.

4. They would only invite national teams - there would be no qualifications. And they would only invite which teams USA Basketball believed were "worthy" and which teams USA Basketball thought could NOT beat Team USA.

5. It would only include a very, very small number of teams, again that NBA was only interested in "marketing" like only the ones that could all load with NBA players.......so not even Spain would get an invite.

6. It would be called something stupid like, "NBA World Cup".

7. The winner of the tournament would get the "David Stern Memorial Trophy" (an insult)......

8. The MVP of the tournament (always no matter what of course would be voted to an American) would be given the "Mark Cuban MVP Award".

So you would see something France, Turkey, Serbia, Croatia (maybe in the near future) that's about it and no one else in this "world cup".

Because it would only include "NBA players", etc.

The winner of this tournament would REFUSE to play against the winner of the Olympics and the winner of the FIBA World Cup. And Yet of course, the winner of this tournament would declare itself the "world champions", even though they would not, without actually playing against those other teams, just like the NBA club winners call themselves the "world champions" even though they are not without actually playing at the FIBA Intercontinental Cup....etc.

It would be a gigantic marketing blitz with endless commercials, sponsors, promotions. It would look more like an all star game. It would have all the bullshit, with "star treatment", "star calls", no hand checking, defensive 3 seconds, etc.

And after playing in the tournament probably just once, serious teams like Serbia would probably refuse to ever play there again. The NBA could sadly never be trusted with something like this.

Go back and read my other posts on these thread. I addressed some of your concerns with regard to the refs and other venues for the event.

[outbreak]

No he was not. Stern wanted to make the Olympics an under-23 tournament, and make the FIBA World Cup the only world championship. Which is the absolute logical and practical thing to do and what should be done.

But Americans went freaking nuts at that totally logical and practical proposal he made.

That idea makes a lot more sense to me

[Dr.J4ever]

The NBA funds other countries basketball programs? That's news to me? They do their little tick a box camps but they don't out right provide funding for countries. It's a totally different beast.

I don't know about the legality and all that but as crazy as Euroleague can be about some players he does know alot about how international basketball is structured so he is probably correct in his points as well.

Hey, none of us are lawyers here. The Fiba funding I am not 100% sure about, but it doesn't detract from the idea of an NBA organized World cup.

If the NBA and other leagues do this in concert, they will have all the money to for charity and helping other basketball programs and such.

[Euroleague]

NBA broadcasting its games via streaming to an international audience does more for league exposure than sending its players abroad on Team USA to make money for FIBA.

It's sad but I honestly think that the World Cup basketball will be for college players. The olympics is a different story imo.

No it won't. That's delusional. These media and supposedly owners saying that is all bullshit.

College players won't get out of a group stage at that tournament.

It's NOT happening. Even if it did happen, it only lasts for one tournament.

People saying that are clearly RETARDED. All these Wojnarowski and Marc Steins have sub 65 IQs and just prove it. If they actually think college players would stand any chance at competing today.

Even 30 years ago they were not good enough.

[Euroleague]

Footballers in the world cup would get in and play after suffering concussions but suddenly one american gets injured and the whole international tournament must be called in question.:banghead:

Relax. These American morons are under the delusion that the NBA somehow controls FIBA and every single individual international basketball federation.

That the NBA can just say, "make it a under 22 tournament" and it's just done like that.

They are all retarded and psychotic. Just ignore it.

[Maga_1]

I would just stop watching national team competitions if this happens.

For me it's easy.
Before they are NBA players they are national team players... they were "made" in those countries, they started playing for those countries, it's only correct to represent their home country no matter what.

There's a risk of injury? Yes, but it's everywhere.
Pro AMs, Summer Leagues, Recreational Workouts, etc etc.

NBA is mostly business. FIBA Competitions are not a business.

(PS - Olympic Basketball could be under 23 + 3 players above that age, like soccer is.)

[Euroleague]

Yeah that's the problem.

The whole point of basketball at the Olympics is the exposure you get from people who maybe don't watch the NBA regularly.

An NBA World Cup is just going to be something for basketball hardcore to watch and no one else.

This is true, but the problem is that Americans and Team USA and NBA are using Olympics as the world championship of the sport, when it is the 3rd best international tournament after EuroBasket and World Cup.

It only allows 12 teams. It allows some really, really bad teams in that 12, because it demands that continent winners get in, no matter how bad they are, and it refuses to allow in so many good teams from Europe simply because it only allows in 12 teams.

It's an absolute joke of a tournament. And yet, this is what NBA, Team USA, USA Basketball, Americans, etc. have forced on the whole world to be the world championship of basketball.

And the Olympics won't allow any changes to the competition, because they don't have the money to do so. No host country can afford the Olympics as it is, and if anything, they are actually discussing taking it down to EIGHT teams, in order to cut monetary costs (because no country can afford the games as it stands now).......with STILL having one team from each continent, which at that point it becomes farcical.

[Fawker]

The NBA cant stand that international play has more prestige. an nba sanctioned league is an nba sanctioned league.

continue on with fiba and Olympics. injuries happen. stop wearing Nike.

[Euroleague]

This proposal basically cuts out the middleman: FIBA.

If the NBA can come to an agreement with the Euroleague, the Australian League, Chinese League, this is the bulk of the best players in the world. Is it not? Other leagues would have to fall in line to join this new World Cup.

No more risk for injured players incapacitating franchise owners, not just for NBA teams, but for all big time franchises all over the world. Why? Because profits will be shared all around. The NBA with other leagues will share profits, and the players will get paid.

Everyone will be happy. We can even hold the event in different countries so as to remove the home court bias factor. We can have referees from the NBA and the EL and the other leagues referee the games. No more notorious FIBA refs.

The more I think about it, the more feasible it seems.

What Cuban is proposing is an end to national team competition. Other countries won't agree to it.

I am 100% for the world club competition and have been begging for it. I am so pissed off that the NBA refuses to play at the world club cup called FIBA Intercontinental Cup and delayed it for years by doing so. And Finally FIBA just went ahead without them, and STILL they invite them to it though and STILL they refuse to play.

Their should be BOTH.

NBA should be playing in the world club cup.

But this idea of Cuban's that their should only be one or the other is absurd. That we should have the club cup, and then no national team events should take place again, other than FIBA without any NBA players from ANY country allowed, putting it back to the 1980s (see Dino Meneghin, Nick Galis, Oscar Schmidt for someone like you that does not know a thing about basketball history).........it won't ever go over in Europe.

Those European players are not going to agree to this. You really think they agree to this in the player's union? No way in hell.

Cuban knows that every serious basketball fan wants a world club cup. Not the ridiculously absurd NBA only fans that post in this forum and make fun of this subject every time it comes up.

He knows the money would be huge. But he does not want to share that. He wants to hoard it from the other clubs and leagues and from FIBA.

To make an excuse, is this "players can't play with national teams anymore", which isn't even related. But it IS an attack on FIBA, because FIBA would organize the club cup.

This is BASIC vulture capitalism 101, which that guy of course is all about. That's all this is. To steal away from FIBA the rights to a world club cup, because right now THEY HAVE IT.

It has nothing to do with national teams.

It's about greed and money.

[Dr.J4ever]

This is true, but the problem is that Americans and Team USA and NBA are using Olympics as the world championship of the sport, when it is the 3rd best international tournament after EuroBasket and World Cup.

It only allows 12 teams. It allows some really, really bad teams in that 12, because it demands that continent winners get in, no matter how bad they are, and it refuses to allow in so many god teams from Europe simply because it only allows in 12 teams.

It's an absolute joke of a tournament. And yet, this is what NBA, Team USA, USA Basketball, Americans, etc. have forced on the whole world to be the world championship of basketball.

And the Olympics won't allow any changes to the competition, because they don't have the money to do so. No host country can afford the Olympics as it is, and if anything, they are actually discussing taking it down to EIGHT teams, in order to cut monetary costs (because no country can afford the games as it stands now).......with STILL having one team from each continent, which at that point it becomes farcical.

Just absurd.

No one is forcing the Olympics on anyone. If the US wants to send it's best players to Olympic games, and not the world cup, then what is that to you. Do what you want to do.

Don't divert from the issue, and mention all your other BS propaganda material which everyone here has memorized by now.

[Dr.J4ever]

What Cuban is proposing is an end to national team competition. Other countries won't agree to it.

I am 100% for the world club competition and have been begging for it. I am so pissed off that the NBA refuses to play at the world club cup called FIBA Intercontinental Cup and delayed it for years by doing so. And Finally FIBA just went ahead without them, and STILL they invite them to it though and STILL they refuse to play.

Their should be BOTH.

NBA should be playing in the world club cup.

But this idea of Cuban's that their should only be one or the other is absurd. That we should have the club cup, and then no national team events should take place again, other than FIBA without any NBA players from ANY country allowed, putting it back to the 1980s (see Dino Meneghin, Nick Galis, Oscar Schmidt for someone like you that does not know a thing about basketball history).........it won't ever go over in Europe.

Those European players are not going to agree to this. You really think they agree to this in the player's union? No way in hell.

No, it's nation vs nation, not club teams. A "World Cup", not a "World Cup" for club teams. See google for all the links to that.

Cuban doesn't believe any club team out there is really at the level of NBA champion teams. Not by a country mile.

[Euroleague]

I don't think the NBA is prepared or willing to handle the logistics of such an event. Are they willing to organize the qualification tournaments, too? I don't think other countries will join it if they're not involved in its affairs and decision making.

This is the NBA we are talking about. There would be no qualification tournaments. It would be invite only as to who the NBA saw as worthy. Based on who had "NBA players".

France
Turkey
Serbia
USA

That is what it would be. NBA would never bother with something legit like "qualification", nor would it allow non NBA players. Cuban, every single time he mentions this makes it very clear that ONLY NBA players would be allowed.

[Dr.J4ever]

This is the NBA we are talking about. There would be no qualification tournaments. It would be invite only as to who the NBA saw as worthy. Based on who had "NBA players".

France
Turkey
Serbia
USA

That is what it would be. NBA would never bother with something legit like "qualification", not would it allow non NBA players. Cuban, every single time he mentions this makes it very clear that ONLY NBA players would be allowed.

If he said that, then I disagree with that. I believe the NBA can cooperate with other leagues and share profits to come up with a "World Cup".

[Euroleague]

The risk to injury would be the same as a franchise player playing for a typical NBA team. No regrets because the risk is shared between franchise owner, the league, and the players. This is because profits will be shred between all 3 parties.

Fiba helping out kids, balls, and courts is already being done by the NBA and even the euroleague, I think. No biggie.

Yes Fiba might become irrelevant in this scenario, but Fiba is playing the role of the middleman right now garnering profits but not bearing any risk suffered by NBA or other leagues franchise players. What's equitable about that?

Once again, you prove to be retarded. FIBA is much bigger than NBA and Euroleague combined idiot. It's making basketball all around the entire world at every level, at every age, boys and girls for decades.

The NBA has a small outdoor court somewhere in Africa where they make a commercial and say make a wish and show some NBA player giving a high five to some little kids.

Your level of ignorance never ceases to amaze. If you think the NBA has the resources, time, and money to replace FIBA then you are truly unbelievably shocking dumb.

So these 30 NBA owners are going to spend ALL OF THEIR TIME on building the sport of basketball worldwide? or the 30 NBA gms?

Are you out of your freaking mind?

Those hundreds of national basketball federations are just going to stop what they were doing and the NBA is going to handle everything because now the NBA is going to distribute some "profits for everyone".....

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

What in the hell are you smoking?

[Euroleague]

No, he specifically mentioned the "world cup" idea again now in response to the George injury. He wants a World Cup with nations vs. nations, not club competitions.

http://deadspin.com/mark-cuban-suggests-an-nba-world-cup-1615379997

And stop it with your legal mumbo jumbo. You're not an international lawyer!:facepalm

Stop being a freaking moron. It's called FIFA Club World Cup in football. It's called FIBA Club World Cup in basketball, and is an ongoing tournament that Olympiacos and Pinheiros played at last year. They refer to it as "FIBA Intercontinental Cup" because that was the original name of the tournament so it's like a traditional name. But it's actually officially "FIBA Club World Cup" since like the early 1980s.

FIFA Club World Cup in football.
FIBA Club World Cup in basketball - the same one FIBA has been inviting the NBA to play at, and the same one the NBA has been refusing to play at.

That's what he is talking about.

That's why he wants to ban NBA players from playing in FIBA with their national teams, so they can wrestle any control of this club world cup away from FIBA, so the NBA can have this club world cup.

FOR MONEY. That's why the NBA won't play their. Nothing to do with the total BULLSHIT you delusional mindless troll NBA only fans say like "it's because the NBA teams would win every game by 30 points' blah blah blah.

It's so they can ban the NBA players from FIBA, end that agreement with FIBA, then FIBA would lose any form of leverage in holding a club world cup with the NBA.

Thus, allowing the NBA to own the club world cup. Then allowing the NBA to try to create something like it's own version of the Superbowl. All part of "NBA European expansion".

But in doing so, ending NBA players in national team play, like it was back in the 1980s and earlier.

What you are talking about is complete nonsense and is a total ridiculousness.

FIBA and national federations own and control all of that legally. NBA isn't even legally allowed to take control of that. It's not big enough to do that. it does not have enough money or manpower to even attempt to do that.

If it tried to make a non official tournament, which it would be non official, no one would accept it or take it seriously. So outside of USA it would be a joke, and it would be dead on arrival.

Use your freaking head if you can.

I am totally for a world club championship and really want one badly, but definitely not the way Cuban want to do it. Where the NBA controls every detail of it, ensuring always a guaranteed win no matter what every time for the NBA teams, and where NBA players are then banned from national team play, no matter what country are from.

That's just freaking bullshit, especially when all the NBA has to do is agree to the FIBA club world cup and just man up and get the freaking balls to play at it, and especially when the whole thing is just over the NBA's greed.

Never mind that at any time the NBA can make an agreement with the Euroleague to play the Euroleague champion at the end of the year - but they are scared shitless to do so, because they know they can't control all of the details of that. That they can't control who refs all the games, all the rules, where all the games are played, etc. So they won't do it. Just pathetic.

[Euroleague]

If he said that, then I disagree with that. I believe the NBA can cooperate with other leagues and share profits to come up with a "World Cup".

Well, every time he brings this up he says it's just for players that are a part of the NBA players union. That means only current NBA players.

So I mean I can only think of like France, Serbia, maybe Turkey that could even be a part of it.

[Dr.J4ever]

Once again, you prove to be retarded. FIBA is much bigger than NBA and Euroleague combined idiot. It's making basketball all around the entire world at every level, at every age, boys and girls for decades.

The NBA has a small outdoor court somewhere in Africa where they make a commercial and say make a wish and show some NBA player giving a high five to some little kids.

Your level of ignorance never ceases to amaze. If you think the NBA has the resources, time, and money to replace FIBA then you are truly unbelievably shocking dumb.

So these 30 NBA owners are going to spend ALL OF THEIR TIME on building the sport of basketball worldwide? or the 30 NBA gms?

Are you out of your freaking mind?

Those hundreds of national basketball federations are just going to stop what they were doing and the NBA is going to handle everything because now the NBA is going to distribute some "profits for everyone".....

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

What in the hell are you smoking?

You have no license to call anyone dumb on this board since it is you that believes in the truly absurd that the EL>NBA. A concept no one on this board believes, not even your BFF Oly Bc who believes the NBA is the "best brand", whatever that means.

You yourself admit Fiba is corrupt and "rigging" games, so why not discard it completely? How can you defend an organization you yourself accused of rigging games vs Greece, rigging USA games, etc.?

What's the deal with that?

Obviously, this could take a lot of time study, but if executives from different leagues sit on a desk together, there is nothing here that can't be resolved.

[outbreak]

You have no license to call anyone dumb on this board since it is you that believes in the truly absurd that the EL>NBA. A concept no one on this board believes, not even your BFF Oly Bc who believes the NBA is the "best brand", whatever that means.

You yourself admit Fiba is corrupt and "rigging" games, so why not discard it completely? How can you defend an organization you yourself accused of rigging games vs Greece, rigging USA games, etc.?

What's the deal with that?

Obviously, this could take a lot of time study, but if executives from different leagues sit on a desk together, there is nothing here that can't be resolved.
But it isn't just league executives, it's the sports minister for different governments. FIBA works with countries to provide resources and funding for basketball worldwide. The NBA is a league, they are totally different entities.

[Euroleague]

No, it's nation vs nation, not club teams. A "World Cup", not a "World Cup" for club teams. See google for all the links to that.

Cuban doesn't believe any club team out there is really at the level of NBA champion teams. Not by a country mile.

You are a person that is incapable of basic reasoning.

FIBA owns the world cup for national teams. The NBA cannot touch that.

[Dr.J4ever]

But it isn't just league executives, it's the sports minister for different governments. FIBA works with countries to provide resources and funding for basketball worldwide. The NBA is a league, they are totally different entities.

Maybe so. But let's be honest, if you need funding for you NT, you are not a major power anyway. So are the results of the World Cup nullified because Iran or whatever Asian country can't participate due to a lack of Fiba funding?

[Euroleague]

I would just stop watching national team competitions if this happens.

For me it's easy.
Before they are NBA players they are national team players... they were "made" in those countries, they started playing for those countries, it's only correct to represent their home country no matter what.

There's a risk of injury? Yes, but it's everywhere.
Pro AMs, Summer Leagues, Recreational Workouts, etc etc.

NBA is mostly business. FIBA Competitions are not a business.

(PS - Olympic Basketball could be under 23 + 3 players above that age, like soccer is.)

And that's actually what Stern proposed but the American NBA only fans shut him down. It's just logical. You don't need a world tournament every two years, and the Olympics format is just awful and the tournament just sucks.

FIBA World Cup is even expanding to 32 teams at the next tournament in 2019, while the Olympics is at 12, and thinking about even going to 8. How this is even a discussion is just pathetic.

The real truth is that NBA only fans realize how incredibly freaking easy the Olympics is and how much, much, much harder the world cup is and they don't want to see that change made, knowing it will become a much harder tournament to win if that happens.

[Dr.J4ever]

You are a person that is incapable of basic reasoning.

FIBA owns the world cup for national teams. The NBA cannot touch that.

Again, you are not an international lawyer. Stop trying to be one. There are many possible legal intricacies in that.

[Dr.J4ever]

And that's actually what Stern proposed but the American NBA only fans shit him down. It's just logical. You don't need a world tournament every two years, and the Olympics format is just awful and the tournament just sucks.

FIBA World Cup is even expanding to 32 teams at the next tournament in 2019, while the Olympics is at 12, and thinking about even going to 8. How this is even a discussion is just pathetic.

The real truth is that NBA only fans realize how incredibly freaking easy the Olympics is and how much, much, much harder the world cup is and they don't want to see that change made, knowing it will become a much harder tournament to win if that happens.

It wasn't very hard to win the Worlds back in 2010 for a young Durant, and Odom at center for the US. In fact, it looked much easier than the Olympics when Spain played at full force.

Oh yeah, I forgot 2010 was rigged. So why do you love Fiba?

[bdreason]

NBA is private league.
FIBA is world governing basketball organization.


NBA is a profit seeking corporation.

FIBA is a profit seeking corporation.

[Euroleague]

You have no license to call anyone dumb on this board since it is you that believes in the truly absurd that the EL>NBA. A concept no one on this board believes, not even your BFF Oly Bc who believes the NBA is the "best brand", whatever that means.

You yourself admit Fiba is corrupt and "rigging" games, so why not discard it completely? How can you defend an organization you yourself accused of rigging games vs Greece, rigging USA games, etc.?

What's the deal with that?

Obviously, this could take a lot of time study, but if executives from different leagues sit on a desk together, there is nothing here that can't be resolved.

You are incapable of rational thought.

[Milbuck]

You are incapable of rational thought.
Pretty hilarious coming from the guy that truly believes that Euroleague > NBA.

[Euroleague]

Maybe so. But let's be honest, if you need funding for you NT, you are not a major power anyway. So are the results of the World Cup nullified because Iran or whatever Asian country can't participate due to a lack of Fiba funding?

US tax dollars fund senior men's Team USA at $200 million a year.

So I guess US senior men's national team isn't a major power then.

:facepalm

[Euroleague]

It wasn't very hard to win the Worlds back in 2010 for a young Durant, and Odom at center for the US. In fact, it looked much easier than the Olympics when Spain played at full force.

Oh yeah, I forgot 2010 was rigged. So why do you love Fiba?

This clown finally started to admit that FIBA is rigged once this NBA proposal came.

Like I said, he works for the NBA office in New York.

[Euroleague]

NBA is a profit seeking corporation.

FIBA is a profit seeking corporation.

FIBA is a governing body. It isn't a corporation. Two different things.

It really isn't that hard to comprehend.

[Dr.J4ever]

US tax dollars fund senior men's Team USA at $200 million a year.

So I guess US senior men's national team isn't a major power then.

:facepalm

Funding from Fiba is what I meant. :facepalm

I was telling the other poster that if you need funding from Fiba just to join an event, then maybe you are not a major basketball power to begin with.

So that nation no joining can't nullify the results of the major powers joining the proposed "world cup".

Pretty simple.

[Euroleague]

Pretty hilarious coming from the guy that truly believes that Euroleague > NBA.

You are the guy that thinks Greek 2nd Division is the Euroleague.

How the hell would you know if it's better or not? You don't even know what it is.

[Euroleague]

Funding from Fiba is what I meant. :facepalm

I was telling the other poster that if you need funding from Fiba just to join an event, then maybe you are not a major basketball power to begin with.

So that nation no joining can't nullify the results of the major powers joining the proposed "world cup".

Pretty simple.

USA basketball, us national teams, even the US senior men's national also get funding from FIBA. WTF is your point?

[Dr.J4ever]

This clown finally started to admit that FIBA is rigged once this NBA proposal came.

Like I said, he works for the NBA office in New York.

:roll: :roll:

For minimum wage right? It's comment like this that make it very ironic for you to call anyone on this board "low iq" or "moron" etc.

[Dr.J4ever]

USA basketball, us national teams, even the US senior men's national also get funding from FIBA. WTF is your point?

If you can't understand this point, you are not worth debating.:lol

[Euroleague]

If you can't understand this point, you are not worth debating.:lol

Yeah, that it only counts as some kind of insult or dig if it was applied to "Iran or whatever Asian country", but not to USA.

[Milbuck]

You are the guy that thinks Greek 2nd Division is the Euroleague.

How the hell would you know if it's better or not? You don't even know what it is.
I'm not even gonna bother with all that Greek League/Giannis crap, it's irrelevant right now. The discussion is NBA vs Euroleague, which is so comically lopsided in the NBA's favor that I find it amusing as hell to see you push the other way so persistently, whether you're trolling or not.

[Dr.J4ever]

Yeah that it only counts as some kind of insult or dig if it was applied to Iran or whatever, but not to USA.

Let me clarify. It's not an insult.

The other poster was saying that if fiba were eliminated then he wondered what would happen to national programs that need funding to join these events. I don't know, but it won't nullify the result of the event where all the top programs can join.

This is what you want, right? A tournament where only the best go. No more 3rd world countries or programs who got in because their region is weak. More Euroepan teams would make it in this scenario.

[Rooster]

It wasn't very hard to win the Worlds back in 2010 for a young Durant, and Odom at center for the US. In fact, it looked much easier than the Olympics when Spain played at full force.

Oh yeah, I forgot 2010 was rigged. So why do you love Fiba?

Odom put up 15 points and 11 rebounds in the Final against those Giants but stiffed slow as molasses unathletic soft Euros.:oldlol:

And Iguodola even played at Power Forward at times. Guys like him and his scrub version Kyle Hines are too strong, too athletic, too quick for typical Euros.:oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Let me clarify. It's not an insult.

The other poster was saying that if fiba were eliminated then he wondered what would happen to national programs that need funding to join these events. I don't know, but it won't nullify the result of the event where all the top programs can join.

This is what you want, right? A tournament where only the best go. No more 3rd world countries or programs who got in because their region is weak. More Euroepan teams would make it in this scenario.

You use that phrase here all the time. You obviously don't even know what it even means. I saw in a thread you said you were 48....and yet you don't know this shit.........

:facepalm :facepalm

1st world country means = USA and its allies as in NATO, Israel, as in USA and allies

as in 1st world superpower of the cold war

2nd word country means = enemies of USA as in Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Eastern bloc nations, China, and so forth

as in 2nd world superpower of the cold war

3rd world country means = EVERYONE ELSE

as in no one affiliated to one of the two cold war superpowers


This forum is loaded with people with sub 65 IQs and people under 12 years old and everything that are so stupid they just think it means something like "no toilets or running water, standard of living, etc.", but damn if you are freaking 48 years old how the hell can you not know that.

WTF you spend your whole day watching Fox News or listening to right wing radio or what the freaking hell?

No excuse for that shit.

[Rooster]

I'm not even gonna bother with all that Greek League/Giannis crap, it's irrelevant right now. The discussion is NBA vs Euroleague, which is so comically lopsided in the NBA's favor that I find it amusing as hell to see you push the other way so persistently, whether you're trolling or not.

They used to have those club championship like the McDonald championships and the NBA teams were running them like a locomotion without any break. They finally got tired of bowing down to USA supremacy so they scrapped it .:roll:

[Euroleague]

Odom put up 15 points and 11 rebounds in the Final against those Giants but stiffed slow as molasses unathletic soft Euros.:oldlol:

And Iguodola even played at Power Forward at times. Guys like him and his scrub version Kyle Hines are too strong, too athletic, too quick for typical Euros.:oldlol:

8 points and 7 rebounds a game for prime Odom in 2010. He was absolutely AMAZING.......

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Dr.J4ever]

You use that phrase here all the time. You obviously don't even know what it even means. I saw in a thread you said you were 48....and yet you don't know this shit.........

:facepalm :facepalm

1st world country means = USA and its allies as in NATO, Israel, as in USA and allies

2nd word country means = enemies of USA as in Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Eastern bloc nations, China, and so forth

3rd world country means = EVERYONE ELSE


This forum is loaded with people with sub 65 IQs and people under 12 years old and everything that are so stupid they just think it means something like "no toilets or running water", but damn if you are freaking 48 years old how the hell can you not know that.

WTF you spend your whole day watching Fox News or listening to right wing radio or what the freaking hell?

No excuse for that shit.

Yes, I know that. International Studies was my major in college, btw.

I was using 3rd world in the USSR era and I was using it informally.

To be sure, that term is no longer in use. Today, it is developed and developing country. That is politically correct.

[Euroleague]

They used to have those club championship like the McDonald championships and the NBA teams were running them like a locomotion without any break. They finally got tired of bowing down to USA supremacy so they scrapped it .:roll:

They were just about to have the new one, and then the NBA suddenly cancelled their participation right after Barca kicked the Lakers asses.

What a strange coincidence.

:rolleyes:

[Dr.J4ever]

They were just about to have the new one, and then the NBA suddenly cancelled their participation right after Barca kicked the Lakers asses.

What a strange coincidence.

:rolleyes:

44-10

Yes, I know that. International Studies was my major in college, btw.

I was using 3rd world in the USSR era and I was using it informally.

To be sure, that term is no longer in use. Today, it is developed and developing country. That is politically correct.

[Euroleague]

Yes, I know that. International Studies was my major in college, btw.

I was using 3rd world in the USSR era and I was using it informally.

To be sure, that term is no longer in use. Today, it is developed and developing country. That is politically correct.

STFU a-hole.

It's not correct at all. USA has lowest Gini differential in the world. USA has worst healthcare in the world. USA has worst differential in pay in the world.

USA even has the worst kleptocracy and oligarchy system in the world. Going from plutocracy to fascist zealotry corporatism.

USA has lowest differential in GDP to production rate based on standard of living per individual.

In other words, in all major measurable rates, USA has one of the lowest standards of living in the world, and has THE LOWEST of every single developed and industrialized nation. In fact, only a handful of countries in Africa, Latin America, and Asia - literally a handful, have a lower standard of living for the general population based on the major index factors.

And there you are with "3rd world countries" crap. It's not about economics, so don't act like it is. It's about MILITARY standing.

If it was about economics, USA would be 3rd world, at the very bottom of the 3rd world, based on standard of living for the general population.

And yet some jackass like you always comes in and implies that it's based on economics, just like you are doing right now.

[Dr.J4ever]

STFU a-hole.

It's not correct at all. USA has lowest Gini differential in the world. USA has worst healthcare in the world. USA has worst differential in pay in the world.

USA even has the worst kleptocracy and oligarchy system in the world. Going from plutocracy to fascist zealotry corporatism.

USA has lowest differential in GDP to production rate based on standard of living per individual.

In other words, in all major measurable rates, USA has one of the lowest standards of living in the world, and has THE LOWEST of every single developed and industrialized nation. In fact, only a handful of countries in Africa, Latin America, and Asia - literally a handful, have a lower standard of living for the general population based on the major index factors.

And there you are with "3rd world countries" crap. It's not about economics, so don't act like it is. It's about MILITARY standing.

If it was about economics, USA would be 3rd world, at the very bottom of the 3rd world, based on standard of living for the general population.

And yet some jackass like you always comes in and implies that it's based on economics, just like you are doing right now.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Delusional is basketball and delusional in geopolitics.

As I said, the terms 1st world etc are no longer in use. It is developing and developed nation. When I mentioned "3rd world", I was simply making a point in the commonly known meaning for it which is some struggling nation.

My point stands.

From Wiki:

"The Third World was normally seen to include many countries with colonial pasts in Africa, Latin America, Oceania and Asia. It was also sometimes taken as synonymous with countries in the Non-Aligned Movement. In the so-called dependency theory of thinkers like Raul Prebisch, Walter Rodney, Theotonio dos Santos, and Andre Gunder Frank, the Third World has also been connected to the world economic division as "periphery" countries in the world system that is dominated by the "core" countries.[1]"

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Delusional is basketball and delusional in geopolitics.

As I said, the terms 1st world etc are no longer in use. It is developing and developed nation. When I mentioned "3rd world", I was simply making a point in the commonly known meaning for it which is some struggling nation.

My point stands.

No it isn't a-hole. Which is exactly why you were talking about economics. Trying to imply that somehow some country you imply as being "poor" was "3rd world" and some country (USA) you imply as being "rich" is first world.

Which is exactly how it is used every time in the politics and media. Which is bullshit.

And if you want to talk about "developed" - USA has the worst infrastructure of all industrialized nations in the world, and has entire cities that are being bull dozed.

Like 1/3 or even 1/2 of entire cities being bull dozed because they are condemned. That classifies as UNDEVELOPED nation under UN classifications.

Like I said, it's one thing when some of these 12 year old kids like Milbuck say things like that, but at 48 you should know better. Otherwise you are doing that Fox News and right wing radio propaganda here and you can keep that crap to yourself.

people from all over the world are posting here.

[Dr.J4ever]

No it isn't a-hole. Which is exactly why you were talking about economics. Trying to imply that somehow some country you imply as being "poor" was "3rd world" and some country (USA) you imply as being "rich" is first world.

Which is exactly how it is used every time in the politics and media. Which is bullshit.

And if you want to talk about "developed" - USA has the worst infrastructure of all industrialized nations in the world, and has entire cities that are being bull dozed.

Like 1/3 or even 1/2 of entire cities being bull dozed because they are condemned. That classifies as UNDEVELOPED nation under UN classifications.

Like I said, it's one thing when some of these 12 year old kids like Milbuck say things like that, but at 48 you should know better. Otherwise you are doing that Fox News and right wing radio propaganda here and you can keep that crap to yourself.

people from all over the world are posting here.

"The Third World was normally seen to include many countries with colonial pasts in Africa, Latin America, Oceania and Asia. It was also sometimes taken as synonymous with countries in the Non-Aligned Movement. In the so-called dependency theory of thinkers like Raul Prebisch, Walter Rodney, Theotonio dos Santos, and Andre Gunder Frank, the Third World has also been connected to the world economic division as "periphery" countries in the world system that is dominated by the "core" countries.[1]"

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Delusional is basketball and delusional in geopolitics.

As I said, the terms 1st world etc are no longer in use. It is developing and developed nation. When I mentioned "3rd world", I was simply making a point in the commonly known meaning for it which is some struggling nation.

My point stands.

From Wiki:

"The Third World was normally seen to include many countries with colonial pasts in Africa, Latin America, Oceania and Asia. It was also sometimes taken as synonymous with countries in the Non-Aligned Movement. In the so-called dependency theory of thinkers like Raul Prebisch, Walter Rodney, Theotonio dos Santos, and Andre Gunder Frank, the Third World has also been connected to the world economic division as "periphery" countries in the world system that is dominated by the "core" countries.[1]"

Your point does not stand idiot. Under every single definition of bad economy, poor standard of living for the general population, and undeveloped current infrastructure, the United States is a 3rd world country as you imply that it is about "economy and development". Hell, it does not even have the basic level of high speed internet that most countries in the world had 10-12 years ago, or the basic healthcare or transportation tech that most countries had 15-30 years ago.

This moron is in my ignore bin.

Arguing that 1st, 2nd, 3rd world definition is about "developed countries", then claiming a country without universal healthcare is "1st world". Where the hell do these clowns come from?

[Dr.J4ever]

Your point does not stand idiot. Under every single definition of bad economy, poor standard of living, and undeveloped the United States is a 3rd world country. Hell, it does not even have the basic level of high speed internet that most countries in the world had 10-12 years ago or the basic healthcare or transportation tech that most countries had 15-30 years ago.

This moron is in my ignore bin.

Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed upon definition of the Third World.[1] Some countries in the Communist Bloc, such as Cuba, were often regarded as "Third World". Because many Third World countries were extremely poor, and non-industrialized, it became a stereotype to refer to poor countries as "third world countries", yet the "Third World" term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries

Clear as day from Wiki. Weeding out the lies and lighting up the truth in a dark room LOL

[duskovujosevic]

who in the name of god is giving rep points to this euroleague clown?

[Dr.J4ever]

who in the name of god is giving rep points to this euroleague clown?

I'm still a relatively new poster here on ISH so I'm not really sure how those green bars work, but I heard Kblaze and some posters mention alternates as a possibility.

Who cares though? When you're wrong, you're wrong.

I'm not even claiming I'm right with my views on the world cup. It's just an opinion that I'm putting out there for fun.

I believe it's workable, if a lot of study and preparation is done before it is actually implemented.

[qrich]

So a World Cup ran by the NBA is going to reduce the risk of injury how again?

Like previously said, as I skimmed through due to the idiotic postings from Euroleague, injuries can occur anywhere, at any given time. Elton Brand missed all but eight games in a season because he got injured while playing with Chris Kaman in the summer, a half-court pick-up game.

Either way though, the World Cup of Basketball SHOULD be played under NBA Rules. The game was founded here, has grown, and it is America's game.

Playing under European/Collegiate rules is idiotic. It would be like if the MLS, FMF, other CONCACAF teams changed the rules of soccer and tried to force UEFA, CONMEBOL, CAF, etc. to play under our rules to increase the slight chance any of the nations would have at winning the World Cup.

[brain drain]

It's a stupid idea. You can't just "create" an event like the soccer world cup.

The soccer world cup is what it is, because soccer is the #1 sport in most countries. To "create" a basketball world cup, you'd first have to make basketball much, much more popular worldwide than it currently is.
Otherwise it's not going to be any more significant than the Basketball tournament at the Olympics.

What Cuban really wants is to put an international event under the umbrella of the NBA so that he can make money from it.

[brain drain]

So a World Cup ran by the NBA is going to reduce the risk of injury how again?

It wouldn't reduce the risk, but it would put the money made by the event into the pockets of the NBA owners which of course would make it much easier for them to live with the risk.

The real question is why would other basketball federations willingly hand over the control over the world championships to the NBA owners? Doesn't make much sense for anyone outside the NBA.

[brain drain]

Playing under European/Collegiate rules is idiotic. It would be like if the MLS, FMF, other CONCACAF teams changed the rules of soccer and tried to force UEFA, CONMEBOL, CAF, etc. to play under our rules to increase the slight chance any of the nations would have at winning the World Cup.

You've got it backwards - the NBA is the league that has the special rules that differ from the rules of any other league.

It's as if the English Premier League implemented some special rule changes which are not sanctioned by FIFA or other leagues and then demands that the world cup should be played with their rules, because they're the best league.

[Dr.J4ever]

The news on this World Cup thing first came out in 2012 from Yahoo's Woj. The NBA board is actually much less radical than Cuban. They are fine with a partnership with Fiba, as long as profits are shared. Cuban is the maverick here(no pun intended).

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-hoping-to-generate-more-revenue-with-world-cup-of-basketball-proposal.html

"For months, the NBA has been discussing an end to the Olympic basketball Dream Team movement and delivering its superstars to a proposed rebranding of the world championships called "The World Cup of Basketball."

For the use of its most marketable players, the league office and many NBA owners are determined to create a financial partnership with FIBA for a World Cup that would allow the NBA to significantly share in the windfall of revenues.

"The owners would be a lot more comfortable letting star players play internationally if they’re sharing in the revenue," one league source told Yahoo! Sports.

As constituted now, the International Olympic Committee has control of the Olympic basketball tournament and most of the revenue it generates.

Stern says the NBA will take time to deliberate how it will proceed in the future, but multiple league and international sources insist there’s little chance the league will ever send its best players to the Summer Olympics beyond the 2012 London Games. The NBA has long wanted to best protect its financial investments in players by better controlling the medical and training staffs used in international competition.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban told Yahoo! Sports he isn’t aware of the NBA’s specific intentions in possibly moving its star players to the rebranded World Cup, but says he has lobbied for much more complete control of the tournament. He sees no reason to partner with FIBA or anyone else. He wants the NBA to own, operate and profit on a global tournament using the league’s stars.

"The question is: Why would we partner with a current tournament rather than start our own?" Cuban said. "If done correctly, it can be NBA-owned and operated and have the potential to be just as large as the World Cup of soccer. That is a product, in my opinion, we want to own, not share.

“I don’t know what the NBA plan is, but the above is what I will be pushing for." "

[SpanishACB]

The NBA has the best basketball players in the world - check
The NBA makes the most money out of all bball leagues - check
The NBA is the most popular bball league in the world - check







People that think the NBA could challenge FIBA are still ignorant idiots

[Dr.J4ever]

The NBA has the best basketball players in the world - check
The NBA makes the most money out of all bball leagues - check
The NBA is the most popular bball league in the world - check







People that think the NBA could challenge FIBA are still ignorant idiots

I have answered most of the queries and objections here on this thread. Of course there are so many details to fill up and this will take a considerable amount of groundwork, but it can be done.

I am trying to understand the objections, and most of them are emotional, not substantive reactions. Not to demean in you in any way since I think you are a good poster, but my idea which is an offshoot from Cuban's idea of an NBA run World Cup, would happen with cooperation with the EL, Chinese League, Aussie league etc..

We cut out the middleman and form our own World Cup where all franchise owners and players from all over the world will play for their respective countries while earning their due share of the revenues.

Everybody wins while the risks are shared. In the present scenario, Fiba and the IOC get all the profits while the players and franchise owners and the various leagues get all the risk.

Now that's idiotic.

[qrich]

It wouldn't reduce the risk, but it would put the money made by the event into the pockets of the NBA owners which of course would make it much easier for them to live with the risk.

The real question is why would other basketball federations willingly hand over the control over the world championships to the NBA owners? Doesn't make much sense for anyone outside the NBA.

As if the NBA/Owners don't get some sort of financial incentive for the current set up.

It's like cancelling the Drew League, and every Pro Am unless its NBA sanctioned :rolleyes:


You've got it backwards - the NBA is the league that has the special rules that differ from the rules of any other league.

It's as if the English Premier League implemented some special rule changes which are not sanctioned by FIFA or other leagues and then demands that the world cup should be played with their rules, because they're the best league.

No, I don't.

The game was founded in the States. It was made global, thanks to the NBA. Rest of the leagues implemented different rules than the ones made by the NBA. Idiotic.

[SpanishACB]

I have answered most of the queries and objections here on this thread. Of course there are so many details to fill up and this will take a considerable amount of groundwork, but it can be done.

I am trying to understand the objections, and most of them are emotional, not substantive reactions. Not to demean in you in any way since I think you are a good poster, but my idea which is an offshoot from Cuban's idea of an NBA run World Cup, would happen with cooperation with the EL, Chinese League, Aussie league etc..

We cut out the middleman and form our own World Cup where all franchise owners and players from all over the world will play for their respective countries while earning their due share of the revenues.

Everybody wins while the risks are shared. In the present scenario, Fiba and the IOC get all the profits while the players and franchise owners and the various leagues get all the risk.

Now that's idiotic.

Yes, the USA can make a world cup in which they face other 3 or 4 shitty teams.

They'll never get to organize the world cup. It's light years above what the NBA knows at organization level. There's basketball federations in all countries and they all abide to FIBA.

It's like when you come with an idea after watching a movie. You usually meet someone with enough perspective to put your feet back on the ground before bedtime.

[Rooster]

Yes, the USA can make a world cup in which they face other 3 or 4 shitty teams.

They'll never get to organize the world cup. It's light years above what the NBA knows at organization level. There's basketball federations in all countries and they all abide to FIBA.

It's like when you come with an idea after watching a movie. You usually meet someone with enough perspective to put your feet back on the ground before bedtime.

If the NBA decide they won't partake on this event for business purposes, this competition will be a joke. Teams like Greece would probably benefit from it because they dont really produce quality NBA players but it will like a Special Olympics. USA will be led by guys like Langford, Weems, Hines, Hickman, Dunston :oldlol: If NBA decide to do it without the support of FIBA and minor leagues in Europe then other nations don't have enough players to put a team. NBA and FIBA defininitely need each other. NBA just need to find a way to compensate teams that are crippled because of an injury to game changer tpe of players.

[Euroleague]

So a World Cup ran by the NBA is going to reduce the risk of injury how again?

Like previously said, as I skimmed through due to the idiotic postings from Euroleague, injuries can occur anywhere, at any given time. Elton Brand missed all but eight games in a season because he got injured while playing with Chris Kaman in the summer, a half-court pick-up game.

Either way though, the World Cup of Basketball SHOULD be played under NBA Rules. The game was founded here, has grown, and it is America's game.

Playing under European/Collegiate rules is idiotic. It would be like if the MLS, FMF, other CONCACAF teams changed the rules of soccer and tried to force UEFA, CONMEBOL, CAF, etc. to play under our rules to increase the slight chance any of the nations would have at winning the World Cup.

The NBA has absurd rules like defensive 3 seconds, banned hand checking, and no allowance of a true zone defense.

WORST POST IN THE ENTIRE THREAD

The NBA does not have serious rules. It has joke "rules" that are designed for an entertainment show, not an actual sports competition.

[Euroleague]

It's a stupid idea. You can't just "create" an event like the soccer world cup.

The soccer world cup is what it is, because soccer is the #1 sport in most countries. To "create" a basketball world cup, you'd first have to make basketball much, much more popular worldwide than it currently is.
Otherwise it's not going to be any more significant than the Basketball tournament at the Olympics.

What Cuban really wants is to put an international event under the umbrella of the NBA so that he can make money from it.

Actually, the FIBA World Cup already exists, and the 2010 event was more popular than both 2008 and 2012 Olympics basketball. It's only the USA that refuses to acknowledge the tournament.

[Euroleague]

It wouldn't reduce the risk, but it would put the money made by the event into the pockets of the NBA owners which of course would make it much easier for them to live with the risk.

The real question is why would other basketball federations willingly hand over the control over the world championships to the NBA owners? Doesn't make much sense for anyone outside the NBA.

They would not. Which is of course why it's obvious that Cuban is talking about a club championship, and not a national team one.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Dr.J4ever]The news on this World Cup thing first came out in 2012 from Yahoo's Woj. The NBA board is actually much less radical than Cuban. They are fine with a partnership with Fiba, as long as profits are shared. Cuban is the maverick here(no pun intended).

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-hoping-to-generate-more-revenue-with-world-cup-of-basketball-proposal.html

"For months, the NBA has been discussing an end to the Olympic basketball Dream Team movement and delivering its superstars to a proposed rebranding of the world championships called "The World Cup of Basketball."

For the use of its most marketable players, the league office and many NBA owners are determined to create a financial partnership with FIBA for a World Cup that would allow the NBA to significantly share in the windfall of revenues.

"The owners would be a lot more comfortable letting star players play internationally if they

[outbreak]

A lot of people here are completely ignoring and misunderstanding the role FIBA play compared to the role the NBA play. They perform completely different tasks and have completely different support systems/contacts/structures. It's apples to oranges in their goals.

[Euroleague]

I have answered most of the queries and objections here on this thread. Of course there are so many details to fill up and this will take a considerable amount of groundwork, but it can be done.

I am trying to understand the objections, and most of them are emotional, not substantive reactions. Not to demean in you in any way since I think you are a good poster, but my idea which is an offshoot from Cuban's idea of an NBA run World Cup, would happen with cooperation with the EL, Chinese League, Aussie league etc..

We cut out the middleman and form our own World Cup where all franchise owners and players from all over the world will play for their respective countries while earning their due share of the revenues.

Everybody wins while the risks are shared. In the present scenario, Fiba and the IOC get all the profits while the players and franchise owners and the various leagues get all the risk.

Now that's idiotic.

What in the hell is wrong with you?

How many times does it have to be explained to you that FIBA is massively huge and on a scale that absolutely DWARFS the NBA.

The NBA does not have the resources, money, nor time to even think about replacing FIBA. It also does not have the government connections and the legal authority to do so.

And we are not even talking about the HUNDREDS of national federations and sports ministries that are intertwined with FIBA.

Good GOD

FIBA existed way before there even was an NBA. It was organizing events like world championships and Olympics (along with IOC) when the NBA was a small joke league in USA that no one in USA even cared about.

FIBA was an enormous world wide sport and a colossal sports entity even in the 80s when the NBA finals were still being broadcast on TAPE DELAY in the UNITED STATES.

Are you really this crazy?

The NBA does not even have offices in these hundreds of countries where these federations are. The NBA does not even have barely a presence in continents where FIBA has run basketball with a huge presence for decades.

The NBA is TINY, MINISCULE in size as compared to FIBA. Even just the NBA compared to just FIBA Europe alone, would be arguable. It's debatable that just FIBA Europe alone is maybe bigger than the NBA. Now add in European federations and it's WAY BIGGER than NBA.

That's JUST Europe alone. Now we are talking about the whole world, which FIBA is controlling basketball in Africa, Asia, Latin America, at youth levels, boys, girls.

It's controlling even in places like Asia, Africa and Latin America even still the biggest club competitions too.

If you combined ALL of the major professional team sports in the USA together, they are NOT as big in scope as FIBA.

[Euroleague]

As if the NBA/Owners don't get some sort of financial incentive for the current set up.

It's like cancelling the Drew League, and every Pro Am unless its NBA sanctioned :rolleyes:



No, I don't.

The game was founded in the States. It was made global, thanks to the NBA. Rest of the leagues implemented different rules than the ones made by the NBA. Idiotic.

FIBA started in 1932. NBA started in 1947. And current NBA rules didn't start until 2005.

So no, the NBA rules came after the original rules. And the current NBA rules came after the original NBA rules that the NBA had for most of it's time. You are just making up bullshit.

No serious competition is ever going to agree to this nonsense stuff like defensive 3 seconds and just absurd crap like that. You are once again showing how completely nuts you are.

The game was not made "global" thanks to the NBA. It was made global thanks to FIBA and FIBA's international competitions that they have run like world cup and Olympic basketball.

[Euroleague]

If the NBA decide they won't partake on this event for business purposes, this competition will be a joke. Teams like Greece would probably benefit from it because they dont really produce quality NBA players but it will like a Special Olympics. USA will be led by guys like Langford, Weems, Hines, Hickman, Dunston :oldlol: If NBA decide to do it without the support of FIBA and minor leagues in Europe then other nations don't have enough players to put a team. NBA and FIBA defininitely need each other. NBA just need to find a way to compensate teams that are crippled because of an injury to game changer tpe of players.

Without doped up Team USA and rigging of refs to help Team USA in every game, the tournament will make more money than ever if Team USA is gone.

And the world cup in 2010 already made more money than Olympic basketball in 2008 and 2012 made.

The only complaints people from other countries have about the tournament in recent years was doped up Team USA and unfair help that Team USA got from the refs.

If USA is gone, the tournament will just make a hell of a lot more money.

[Euroleague]

A lot of people here are completely ignoring and misunderstanding the role FIBA play compared to the role the NBA play. They perform completely different tasks and have completely different support systems/contacts/structures. It's apples to oranges in their goals.

Exactly. FIBA is a governmental structure.

It is HIGHER than NBA. It is the highest body of world basketball in every individual country.

Example in USA it would be FIBA that is the highest body of basketball, then beneath that is the regional FIBA, which is FIBA Americas, and then you have your own federation, which is USA Basketball.......

Then you have your private leagues, where NBA is the highest.

Then you have the NCAA college structure for amateurs.

NONE OF THAT, except the NBA, is under the NBA. The only thing the NBA does is work in conjunction with those other bodies. The NBA does not organize or govern them. That's what FIBA does.

They don't even handle USA, let alone even North America. And we have some people here suggesting they would handle the whole world and remove FIBA?

Just in Europe, we are talking about DECADES of infrastructure and building and support with FIBA. Anyone that thinks the basketball people there are dropping that and trusting Mark Cuban to take care of all their basketball needs in Europe and etc. is truly nuts.

This is just crazy talk.

And Dr.J4ever keeps bringing up leagues like NBA, Euroleague, CBA, etc. - does he not even grasp that this has NOTHING at all to do with national team play or basketball infrastructure and federations?

NBA and Euroleague and CBA could combine and they could not handle a drop in the bucket of the duties that FIBA has.

Is the NBA going to run basketball for all of Latin America and Africa and the Mideast and etc? REALLY?

[Derka]

There's really no need for this unless FIBA is somehow totally down with giving NBA owners a piece of the financial pie, which I doubt they are. You could never take control of world basketball away from FIBA and give it to the NBA though; that would be ludicrous and doing something like this is tantamount to that.

[deja vu]

The NBA is never gonna replace FIBA. It's not going to fund local basketball programs in 100+ countries or spend billions to help grow basketball. It's a league of millionaire owners with selfish interests to make more money.

[Dr.J4ever]

They would not. Which is of course why it's obvious that Cuban is talking about a club championship, and not a national team one.

Again, no. He is talking about a nation vs nation world cup, not club competition.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24647074/mark-cuban-nba-should-create-our-own-world-cup-of-basketball

" I understand that players want to represent their countries. That's great. Let's put together an NBA organized and sanctioned international competition that we can control and profit from. We can allow any country to enter a team, and let NBA players represent their country.

If it's that important, let's also expand the exhibitions the NBA plays in and against other countries. I'm all for international play as long as its in the context of an NBA program that gives consideration to the core NBA fan, customer and partner first and foremost."

In the last part, he leaves open the possibility for other "exhibitions", which could also entail club teams. However, his primary concern is National teams.

[Dr.J4ever]

How many times does it have to be explained to you that FIBA owns the World Cup of basketball? The NBA cannot own it.

Does it have to be repeated like 100 times before you get it?

Again, none of us are international lawyers here. Maybe Fiba owns the "World Cup", but who is to stop the NBA and other leagues from putting up a "World Series of Basketball" or a "World Bowl of Basketball"?

Everyone must realize Fiba is only as good as the leagues that participate VOLUNTARILY for them. Fiba cannot compel any player or league to send representatives. So if the NBA or any other league says bye bye Fiba, Fiba could cease to exist or evolve to another form. They may stop hosting international championships and move to building basketball at the grassroots. I would be all for that.

Hypothetically, if the NBA somehow got together with the European Leagues and said, "fiba from now on we will organize our own World Cup but we will send 23 and under players to the olympics", what can fiba do? Nothing. There is no enforcement power internationally .

The NBA and other leagues can just change the name of the world cup, if that is even a legal issue internationally.

[Dr.J4ever]

If the NBA decide they won't partake on this event for business purposes, this competition will be a joke. Teams like Greece would probably benefit from it because they dont really produce quality NBA players but it will like a Special Olympics. USA will be led by guys like Langford, Weems, Hines, Hickman, Dunston :oldlol: If NBA decide to do it without the support of FIBA and minor leagues in Europe then other nations don't have enough players to put a team. NBA and FIBA defininitely need each other. NBA just need to find a way to compensate teams that are crippled because of an injury to game changer tpe of players.

When you see fiba ads on tv or the internet, we usually see the NBA players prominently featured. They know which stars bring in the revenue.

But even some of the EL stars are important. What if they all declined to participate, which is their right, what would happen to the precious Fiba Cup?

Hmmmm.

[Dr.J4ever]

And also for Euroleague, why are you defending a body like Fiba that you say "rigs" tournaments?

You said the 2010 Worlds were rigged so the US can win. Why would Fiba do that? While in another post on this thread, you say Fiba will make "more money" if the US doesn't send a team. So why did Fiba "rig" the tournament for the US then?

You said, Fiba "rigged" the brackets for the 2014 World Cup. Again, if the US is not important, why would they want a Spain vs. US gold medal game? Huh?

You said, Greece was "rigged" of a chance in 2012 in Venezuela vs the Nigerians so they can't get in the 2012 Olympics. Why?

And why are you defending an organization that keeps "rigging" tournaments for the US and against your country? Huh?

[dc_chilling]

I would rather see a state cup over a world cup.

Let players play for their hometown and we can see which area really does produce the best basketball players.

I'm from MD and we would have a pretty sick team:

KD
Melo
Gay
Hibbert
Green
Neal
Vasquez
Oladipo

[Dr.J4ever]

BTW, I am not saying I am 100% right about all these things. There are many issues and sides to address, and no thread on ISH will settle all these questions. I certainly understand most of the objections so let me present the other side of the coin from our own local consolidated website of Philly's top newspapers.

He basically argues that Cuban is wrong:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20140805_Mark_Cuban_has_it_all_wrong.html

Excerpts:

"If may be difficult for some Americans who believe the NBA Finals are the real world championship, but players want to represent their nations in the Olympics and World Championships. It is a real big deal to international players.

Considering his investment, I certainly understand Cuban's stance, but it ignores history by implying that the NBA has not profited from its cooperation with FIBA and the IOC..............

At the time of the Dream Team, the NBA had only 21 international players. Last season, a record-tying 84 were on NBA Opening Night rosters. By the end of the season, 102 international players representing 41 nations and three territories had suited up for NBA teams.

The irony of Cuban's slant is that Dirk Nowitzki - the greatest player in Mavericks history and whom Cuban inherited when he bought the team - has said that he probably would have continued playing handball or tennis in his native Germany had he not become enamored with Scottie Pippen while watching the Dream Team as a 14-year-old.

How much money has Cuban made because of the presence of Nowitzki?.........

Cuban is wrong about the NBA getting nothing.

Cooperation with FIBA and the IOC has given the NBA increased global-brand recognition; growth of international player talent; and expansion of global marketing and merchandise sales.

The truth is that the NBA's participation in international tournaments has been a financial boon for the league, its owners and players - a financial boon worth the unfortunate risk of injury."

[SpanishACB]

If the NBA decide they won't partake on this event for business purposes, this competition will be a joke. Teams like Greece would probably benefit from it because they dont really produce quality NBA players but it will like a Special Olympics. USA will be led by guys like Langford, Weems, Hines, Hickman, Dunston :oldlol: If NBA decide to do it without the support of FIBA and minor leagues in Europe then other nations don't have enough players to put a team. NBA and FIBA defininitely need each other. NBA just need to find a way to compensate teams that are crippled because of an injury to game changer tpe of players.

Yeah, very unfunny weak troll, just because everyone trolls you shouldn't try to fit in with that lack of imagination and writting ability.

If the USA left the competition it would only lose a small and irrelevant viewership.

[SpanishACB]

I'm a bit ashamed that people in the states really think the size of the NBA and FIBA can be compared.

It's like thinking you guys own you own record labels and yet they're all owned by europeans.

edit: FIBA can ban teams from international competition if they decide to play this hypothetical World Series of Ignorance. So utlimately, like I said earlier, USA would be facing Afganistan and Tailand (maybe Australia and other likewise deluded countries) because no other country is going to drop FIBA in favor of NBA. It's like leaving the F1 for NASCAR.

[Euroleague]

Again, no. He is talking about a nation vs nation world cup, not club competition.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24647074/mark-cuban-nba-should-create-our-own-world-cup-of-basketball

" I understand that players want to represent their countries. That's great. Let's put together an NBA organized and sanctioned international competition that we can control and profit from. We can allow any country to enter a team, and let NBA players represent their country.

If it's that important, let's also expand the exhibitions the NBA plays in and against other countries. I'm all for international play as long as its in the context of an NBA program that gives consideration to the core NBA fan, customer and partner first and foremost."

In the last part, he leaves open the possibility for other "exhibitions", which could also entail club teams. However, his primary concern is National teams.

That's total bullshit. None of that is even legally possible, as has been explained to you OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

It has also been explained to you over and over that no one outside USA is taking an unofficial tournament run by the NBA seriously.

This is a fantasy.

[Euroleague]

Again, none of us are international lawyers here. Maybe Fiba owns the "World Cup", but who is to stop the NBA and other leagues from putting up a "World Series of Basketball" or a "World Bowl of Basketball"?

Everyone must realize Fiba is only as good as the leagues that participate VOLUNTARILY for them. Fiba cannot compel any player or league to send representatives. So if the NBA or any other league says bye bye Fiba, Fiba could cease to exist or evolve to another form. They may stop hosting international championships and move to building basketball at the grassroots. I would be all for that.

Hypothetically, if the NBA somehow got together with the European Leagues and said, "fiba from now on we will organize our own World Cup but we will send 23 and under players to the olympics", what can fiba do? Nothing. There is no enforcement power internationally .

The NBA and other leagues can just change the name of the world cup, if that is even a legal issue internationally.

You simply prove over and over that you are retarded. Even most other NBA fans here get why this isn't logistically possible.

:facepalm

This could be nothing more than a rehashing of the McDonald's Tournament or NBA's version of the Acropolis Tournament. That's it.

Why can't you grasp that?

[Euroleague]

And also for Euroleague, why are you defending a body like Fiba that you say "rigs" tournaments?

You said the 2010 Worlds were rigged so the US can win. Why would Fiba do that? While in another post on this thread, you say Fiba will make "more money" if the US doesn't send a team. So why did Fiba "rig" the tournament for the US then?

You said, Fiba "rigged" the brackets for the 2014 World Cup. Again, if the US is not important, why would they want a Spain vs. US gold medal game? Huh?

You said, Greece was "rigged" of a chance in 2012 in Venezuela vs the Nigerians so they can't get in the 2012 Olympics. Why?

And why are you defending an organization that keeps "rigging" tournaments for the US and against your country? Huh?

Yeah, because Team USA never ever got any help from refs.........

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Yeah, because an NBA game was never ever rigged............

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:wtf:

[Euroleague]

I'm a bit ashamed that people in the states really think the size of the NBA and FIBA can be compared.

It's like thinking you guys own you own record labels and yet they're all owned by europeans.

edit: FIBA can ban teams from international competition if they decide to play this hypothetical World Series of Ignorance. So utlimately, like I said earlier, USA would be facing Afganistan and Tailand (maybe Australia and other likewise deluded countries) because no other country is going to drop FIBA in favor of NBA. It's like leaving the F1 for NASCAR.

I didn't even think of that. That's a good point. Even though FIBA just recently approved of giving the NBA I think it was something like 6 out of 28 of the permanent member board votes of FIBA World, which obviously now we see was a colossal mistake....and that as soon as FIBA sent out that olive branch and gave the NBA finally just a little bit of power in FIBA, as they had begged to have for so many decades immediately they start threatening to dismantle it................

anyway, that still leaves 22 other votes, and even though a lot of FIBA Europe members are favored to NBA likes, they won't screw with any so-called "NBA World Cup" and this crazy nonsense about putting Cuban in charge of world basketball along with Silver.

FIBA indeed has the power to ban any federation from the sport for any reason if they break any of the rules. And yes, if USA goes through on any of these threats, that is exactly what FIBA can do. They can bad them entirely permanently and that means also being banned from the Olympics.

And that's at all ages and boys and girls, men's and women's., in EVERY tournament.

And don't think they can't do it, because Russia had some serious violations and Russia just this summer was going to get the same punishment and was about to be completely banned from world basketball unless they started firing a bunch of people, paying tons in fines, and all kinds of shit. And that's why Russia didn't even get the wild card for this tournament.

Russia made serious rules violations, and if they didn't agree to FIBA's sanctions they were getting banned.

USA would be doing outrageous rules violations if they were to go through with these "proposals" and actually so would any other country that agreed to it, and by agreeing to it and by USA going ahead with it, they would be refusing to any sanction FIBA voted on them.

So yeah, I totally forgot about that. FIBA could completely ban USA Basketball out of world competition, AT EVERY LEVEL of the sport, boys and girls, men and women, in all age groups.

[Dr.J4ever]

Lots of emotional responses on this thread from a couple of guys. Some made sense, some were completely ridiculous. I can sense a lot of butt hurt:lol None of my contentions have been debunked though.

Okay, that's it, this is done.

[robert de niro]

Lots of emotional responses on this thread from a couple of guys. Some made sense, some were completely ridiculous. I can sense a lot of butt hurt:lol None of my contentions have been debunked though.

Okay, that's it, this is done.
you understand that the premise of this idea is built from emotional feelings and fear that appeared after the injury right?

[Rooster]

I'm a bit ashamed that people in the states really think the size of the NBA and FIBA can be compared.

It's like thinking you guys own you own record labels and yet they're all owned by europeans.

edit: FIBA can ban teams from international competition if they decide to play this hypothetical World Series of Ignorance. So utlimately, like I said earlier, USA would be facing Afganistan and Tailand (maybe Australia and other likewise deluded countries) because no other country is going to drop FIBA in favor of NBA. It's like leaving the F1 for NASCAR.

:facepalm :facepalm

FIBA is a non profit organization. If NBA wants to profit and share it to the rest of every basketball federation of the world then it's an easy sell. Beside people want to see NBA players. You think they want to watch those slow as molasses soft, unathletic, below the rim WNBA like Euros. :roll:

[Euroleague]

Lots of emotional responses on this thread from a couple of guys. Some made sense, some were completely ridiculous. I can sense a lot of butt hurt:lol None of my contentions have been debunked though.

Okay, that's it, this is done.

There is no emotion here just facts. Not just Russia, but also Greece almost got banned from FIBA earlier this summer also. They didn't meet some FIBA rules for being in good standing with some proper finances in the sport ministry and they had like 2 weeks to pay or they were going to be banned.

This after they spent like millions upon millions upon millions of euros to FIBA for their wild card for the world cup, also paid for Finland's wild card, also paid for 2 FIBA tournaments, agreed to build new arenas up to FIBA Europe and Euroleague standard, etc. ALL of that and they were getting banned just because something in their federation wasn't paid up in good standing in their finances.

This isn't "emotion". This is fact. Hell, Qatar I think it was got banned not too long ago because some players lied on their passports and they banned the living hell out of them for several years after that happened.

You are acting like this is made up nonsense. It isn't. If USA Basketball and NBA really went thought with some crazy crap like they US sports media is claiming they are thinking about doing, then without any doubt FIBA would vote to ban USA from world basketball and it would be permanent.

That does absolutely nothing to help basketball in USA or anywhere else really. But if you think that's a good idea whatever.

But FIBA absolutely can and would do that. Why would they not do that? USA basketball would be in serious violations of all FIBA regulations.

[Euroleague]

:facepalm :facepalm

FIBA is a non profit organization. If NBA wants to profit and share it to the rest of every basketball federation of the world then it's an easy sell. Beside people want to see NBA players. You think they want to watch those slow as molasses soft, unathletic, below the rim WNBA like Euros. :roll:

The last basketball world cup made more money than 2008 Olympics and 2012 Olympics basketball did. And USA hardly watched the tournament or even knew it existed.

So yes, the rest of the world has a huge interest in that tournament and does not really even care about what the USA thinks, and if the USA is out of it, it won't matter at all to the revenues.