ISH All-Time List: Vote on #10 Now.

[russwest0]

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kobebryant2010.jpg

The results are in from the previous vote and Kobe Bryant was voted as the 9th best player of all time (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349979).

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348939).
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348961).
3. Bill Russell - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349040).
4. Wilt Chamberlain - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349136).
5. Tim Duncan - PF/C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349216).
6. Larry Bird - SF (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349328).
7. Magic Johnson - PG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349510).
8. Shaquille O'Neal - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349818).
9. Kobe Bryant - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349979).

To vote on who you think the 10th best player of all time is, simply comment their name below and I will keep track of the votes in the post directly below this one. Once a consensus is reached (after 30 total votes or one day) we will add that player to the list and move on from there.

P.S. - F*ck Real GM

Also, any rep would be appreciated :cheers:

[russwest0]

reserved

[JerrySeinfeld]

Hakeem is the only acceptable choice here.

http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/hakeem.jpg

[Denitron]

Hakeem

[Fudge]

Hakeem Olajuwon

[BigTicket]

Lebron

[DaSeba5]

LeBron

http://jlcauvin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lebron-james-cavaliers.jpg

[MP.Trey]

lol russ. If ISH doesn't revolt over the quick closing of number 9, I vote for Hakeem.

[Connor B]

Lebron James...

[RRR3]

Bran

[russwest0]

lol russ. If ISH doesn't revolt over the quick closing of number 9, I vote for Hakeem.

Lol Kobe got like 10 votes in a row and had plenty more coming in. People have been bitching about me letting these threads run to long so I started the new one up.

I vote for Hakeem as well. Dude had arguably the GOAT peak, being 1b to Michael Jordan.

[Inferno]

Bran

[lakerspng]

Hakeem

[qrich]

Tough one, but I'll go with The Dream.

[longhornfan1234]

LeBron

[inclinerator]

9th one went quickly
anyway

LeeBran

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron James.

[the mesiah]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0508/nba_g_lebron-james_mb_576x324.jpg

[fpliii]

lol

[T_L_P]

Hakeem.

[rhowen4]

Holy shit, #9 was up for an hour?! :lol

[aj1987]

LeBron. Lol @ the idiot OP for closing that after 20 votes.

[KBaller33]

King James

[russwest0]

LeBron. Lol @ the idiot OP for closing that after 20 votes.

You must not have counted them properly. There were more than 20 votes.

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron has already achieved more than Hakeem and he hasn't even hit 30 yet. LeBron gets my vote.

[DMV2]

LeBron.....4 MVPs is the tie-breaker for me over the Dream.

Honestly, the list isn't even bad at all depending on your criteria. Duncan might seem too high right now but he will be more appreciated when he's retired.

[Mass Debator]

Lebron

[Lord Bean]

Hakeem Olajuwon

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'm going to assume that everyone who isn't voting for Hakeem never saw him play in his prime.

[Crose]

olajuwon

[1987_Lakers]

I'm going to assume that everyone who isn't voting for Hakeem never saw him play in his prime.

He had a great peak, but not a top 10 career.

[RRR3]

You must not have counted them properly. There were more than 20 votes.
You made this thread at 3:19. Kobe had 19 votes at that time. Lebron already has 14 here, so you better scramble to make sure he doesn't win.

[BarberSchool]

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348939).
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348961).
3. Bill Russell - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349040).
4. Larry Bird - SF (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349328).
5. Magic Johnson - PG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349510).
6. Tim Duncan - PF/C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349216).
7. Shaquille O'Neal - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349818).
8. Wilt Chamberlain - C (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349136).
9. Kobe Bryant - SG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349979).
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
:Fixed.

[IMObjective]

LeBron. Lol @ the idiot OP for closing that after 20 votes.
If all of the regulars voted kobe most likely would've won anyway. imho you can't really put hakeem above kobe or lebron. He was amazing during his championship runs, but i pick the stat monster, lebron.

[Suguru101]

The other one isn't done yet dude. Anyways i vote LeBron.

You pull stuff like this and then expect to be repped? If you are confident Kobe is the 9th best let the voting take the regular time it takes...

[Shade8780]

I didn't even get to vote for #9, POS.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/hakeem-olajuwon/olajuwon-608.jpg

[Jlamb47]

Hakeem

[1987_Lakers]

What case does Hakeem have over LeBron?:oldlol:

[played0ut]

Lebron


LeBron.....4 MVPs is the tie-breaker for me over the Dream.

Honestly, the list isn't even bad at all depending on your criteria. Duncan might seem too high right now but he will be more appreciated when he's retired.

+1

[salwan]

The dream

[Sakkreth]

I didn't even get to vote for #9, POS.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/hakeem-olajuwon/olajuwon-608.jpg

Yeah since kobe had early lead he decided to instantly end it, he was trying to do it in every thread, but kobe never took an early lead. Every other thread been up for days, that one for few hours.

[L.A. Jazz]

L. James

[USABall]

Hakeem

[IMObjective]

The other one isn't done yet dude. Anyways i vote LeBron.

You pull stuff like this and then expect to be repped? If you are confident Kobe is the 9th best let the voting take the regular time it takes...
:oldlol: yeah, let's do it for real and let #9 keep going. i wanna see how it plays out. don't worry kobe will still win.

[Sakkreth]

Why you voting in this poll organised by a clown ? He managed to rig it already. Every thread was up for days except for #9 voting thread where he ended vote in under two hours when he saw that Kobe was in the lead so far.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron

[RRR3]

Hey op that's 19 for LeBron and he's in the lead. Based on the precedence set by last thread, LeBron wins, right?

[Destroyer9]

kobe

[ArbitraryWater]

LMFAOO did you end the #9 thread after like 2 hours just when Kobe had more votes?!?! bwhahahahah nobody needs to take this shit seriously

LeBron is 9, Hakeem 10

[Warfan]

Russ are you serious? The other one went 4 pages and wasnt even up for an hour :facepalm You let the other ones go for more than a day sometimes 2, in hopes that kobe would get voted in. You started voting him in since like #4 or #5. Fukc your list n*gga

[Lebronxrings]

LeBron james

[Lebronxrings]

What case does Hakeem have over LeBron?:oldlol:
nothing. Its LeBron haters who vote for hakeem.

[rmt]

Who can take OP seriously when he pulls stunts like pulling #9 rank after only 40 minutes but let others go on for days? I vote Kobe for #10 after Hakeem at #9. Posters should DEMAND a re-vote of #9.

[robert de niro]

hakeem

[DFish24]

Hakeem Olajuwon

[ekosky]

Olajuwon is my favorite player of all time, Lebron close second..

So i change my vote to The dream.

[Heavincent]

Come on Russ, keep the other poll open for a little while longer.

Kobe was on his way to a landslide victory though.

Kobe - 25 votes
Lebron - 10 votes
Hakeem - 9 votes

[K Xerxes]

All this little stunt showed is that Kobe couldn't get enough support in the first #8 places to cause an early closure. OP must have created this in thought he could get Kobe in the top 5, only to be distraught when no one actually voted for him. Another ether in itself. :lol.

#9 is as high as Bean can go tbh, though he belongs in #10 or #11.

[Myth]

lol, nice troll job on #9 OP :lol

[Fudge]

lol, nice troll job on #9 OP :lol
Haha russ is the GOAT ISH troll.

[Quizno]

LeBram Jam

[moe94]

All this little stunt showed is that Kobe couldn't get enough support in the first #8 places to cause an early closure. OP must have created this in thought he could get Kobe in the top 5, only to be distraught when no one actually voted for him. Another ether in itself. :lol.

#9 is as high as Bean can go tbh, though he belongs in #10 or #11.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif

It's funny because it's 100% true

Voting Dream

[Myth]

Does russ have a few more red bars just from today? Or is my memory failing me?

I vote Hakeem btw.

[r0drig0lac]

Lebron

[pegasus]

Hakeem

[MrC1991]

Hakeem.

[rhowen4]

Elbron james

[pauk]

Lebron...........


Tough one, but I'll go with The Dream.

Can you please explain how its a tough one?
Lebron has been a more prominent player...
Lebron had a better peak....
Lebron has been more impactful...
Lebron has more accolades... achievements... milestones...

Not tough at all if you are truly objective and unprejudiced.... He should actually be argued to be higher... as an individual player you could compare him with whoever you consider is goat because as an individual player you are looking at what could arguably be the best allround talent ever... the only thing he is missing is team accomplishments from being argued as goat...

I freaking love Hakeem, but anyone here (i dont care who it is) who ranks Hakeem higher either doesnt know what he is talking about or simply... is a lebron cynic...

[raprap]

LeBron

[K Xerxes]

Lebron had a better peak....

http://m3.img.srcdd.com/farm5/d/2014/0124/20/A223B57DFA730401AC3898D45CE8E7A1_ORIG_504_275.gif

[KG215]

Lebron...........



Can you please explain how its a tough one?
Lebron has been a more prominent player...
Lebron had a better peak....
Lebron has been more impactful...
Lebron has more accolades... achievements... milestones...

Not tough at all if you are truly objective and unprejudiced.... He should actually be argued to be higher... as an individual player you could compare him with whoever you consider is goat because as an individual player you are looking at what could arguably be the best allround talent ever... the only thing he is missing is team accomplishments from being argued as goat...

I freaking love Hakeem, but anyone here (i dont care who it is) who ranks Hakeem higher either doesnt know what he is talking about or simply... is a lebron cynic...
LeBron having a better peak is, at the very least, debatable in my opinion. Hakeem, at his best, was one of the top 3-5 defensive presences of all-time and on top of being an elite offensive player. People can laud LeBron's defense all they want but his defensive impact has never been on the same level as peak Hakeem's defensive impact.

[GODbe]

Kevin Durant

[ShackEelOKneel]

Hakeem. Big men FTW

[Soundwave]

Are we talking as a career as a whole?

Then I have to vote Kobe Bryant here.

[JT123]

Russ are you serious? The other one went 4 pages and wasnt even up for an hour :facepalm You let the other ones go for more than a day sometimes 2, in hopes that kobe would get voted in. You started voting him in since like #4 or #5. Fukc your list n*gga
russ getting ethered left and right today. :oldlol:

[navy]

Why did Russwest0 taint the voting by forcing Kobe at 9 prematurely? He may very well have gotten the spot anyways and I planned on voting for him.

[HannibalKid]

Hakeem

[KyleKong]

LeBron

[ArbitraryWater]

Are we talking as a career as a whole?

Then I have to vote Kobe Bryant here.

Nah.. this isnt even a goat list but best ever.. so Peak

And LeBron's top 5 seasons are all > Kobe's top 5 :lol

[moe94]

He did... 2009, 2010, 2012... Basically a similar peak from 2009-2014, and Hakeem is 1994+1995?

If you want to do singular year, I still take 2012 LeBron

Dream led a a team to a title with no other all-stars or all-NBA players

27/12/4/4blks in the regular season
29/11/4/4blks in the playoffs

MVP + DPOTY

I'd say they're arguable, to say the least. I have Dream higher, if anything.

[moe94]

Nah.. this isnt even a goat list but best ever.. so Peak

And LeBron's top 5 seasons are all > Kobe's top 5 :lol

It's not? Then why the fvck is Duncan anywhere near the top 5? :biggums:

[Milbuck]

Gonna go with Dream.

[Milbuck]

It's not? Then why the fvck is Duncan anywhere near the top 5? :biggums:
My favorite part about this list is how ISH is constantly shitting on the 50s-60s-early 70s, yet Russ and Wilt are both in the top 4. Then when this ranking stuff's all done with, it's right back to completely dismissing that whole era.

[played0ut]

It's not? Then why the fvck is Duncan anywhere near the top 5? :biggums:

I would still argue him by virtue of his defensive impact. 14x All Defensive Team.

Having a beastly defensive anchor of a big man can change the entire offensive system of their opponents.


i.e, Nate Thurmond.



Both Abdul-Jabbar and Chamberlain have gone on record saying they felt Thurmond was their toughest adversary. "He plays me better than anybody ever has," Abdul-Jabbar told Basketball Digest when he was in his prime. "He's tall, has real long arms, and most of all he's agile and strong." In an article in Sport, Abdul-Jabbar also said, "When I score on Nate, I know I've done something. He sweats and he wants you to sweat, too."

Others praised Thurmond's consistency, work ethic, and balanced, all-around game. In Basketball Digest, former teammate Walt Hazzard said: "Night in and night out you can depend on him doing his job. His statistics aren't overwhelming, but his presence on the court is unbelievable.. As for blocking shots, I've seen guys get offensive rebounds and then go back 15 feet to make sure they can get a shot off. They know Nate is there."



For BOAT list (not GOAT list), comparing the impact of Bird/Magic/Duncan is akin to comparing apples/oranges/bananas.

I'd be like with those three in any order.

[played0ut]

My favorite part about this list is how ISH is constantly shitting on the 50s-60s-early 70s, yet Russ and Wilt are both in the top 4. Then when this ranking stuff's all done with, it's right back to completely dismissing that whole era.

they do shit on them.


I have the utmost respect for them and believe the very best from those eras would do well at any time. But I also acknowledge that aside from the top, the 'average' NBA player back then are not like now.

[T_L_P]

It's not? Then why the fvck is Duncan anywhere near the top 5? :biggums:

Most Win Shares ever in a postseason, one of only like 4 stars to ever lead a team to a title without another All-Star, averaged 26/15/5/4 in the 02/03 postseasons.

Might not be top 5 but top 10 for sure.

[WillC]

LeBron James

[StephHamann]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/641423/h-olajuwon-o.gif

[Inferno]

Most Win Shares ever in a postseason, one of only like 4 stars to ever lead a team to a title without another All-Star, averaged 26/15/5/4 in the 02/03 postseasons.

Might not be top 5 but top 10 for sure.

Don't think anyone will deny that

[Cousin Oliver]

Lebron James

Though I was really close to going Hakeem.

[smoovegittar]

Hakeem

[KBaller33]

What's the voting like right now.

[RRR3]

LeBron-30
Hakeem-25

That's way more than 30 total votes :confusedshrug:
Although op will keep this open until LeBron loses

[rhowen4]

Russ are you serious? The other one went 4 pages and wasnt even up for an hour :facepalm You let the other ones go for more than a day sometimes 2, in hopes that kobe would get voted in. You started voting him in since like #4 or #5. Fukc your list n*gga
He started voting Kobe at 3 I think

If almost anyone else started this list, we would have a much better one right now

[BlackWhiteGreen]

LeBron.

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron

[LongLiveTheKing]

bron

[Smook A.]

Hakeem.

[KendrickPerkins]

Hakeem

[Fudge]

Hakeem

[Bobby13]

Hakeem

[Cocaine80s]

^^ smh Fudge :facepalm

Anyways Lebron got 30 hes officially #10 :applause:

[HurricaneKid]

What in the **** happened here?

I left for lunch I come back and Kobe is in at 9 with 1/10th the votes of anyone else??? Someone BAN THIS FOOL.

I'm ashamed to have voted in each of the threads if it was always this much of a sham.

[GOATely Carmike]

Hakeem olajuwon

[Cocaine80s]

What in the **** happened here?

I left for lunch I come back and Kobe is in at 9 with 1/10th the votes of anyone else??? Someone BAN THIS FOOL.

I'm ashamed to have voted in each of the threads if it was always this much of a sham.
Lmao russwest0 just lost all credibility with that thread

How can a biased poster run these polls? Someone else should remake it and start again from #1

[KingPush]

Lebron :applause:

[Milbuck]

Lebron :applause:
Aaaaand Cocaine80s whipping out the alts.

[Cocaine80s]

Aaaaand Cocaine80s whipping out the alts.
the last 5 posters have been alts Robert :hammerhead:

[Milbuck]

the last 5 posters have been alts Robert :hammerhead:
Ok? Just pointing out that we know you're KingPush.

[Cocaine80s]

Ok? Just pointing out that we know you're KingPush.
no shit

[Milbuck]

no shit
Glad we cleared that up. ****ing freshman.

[Y2ktors]

Hakeem.

[zoom17]

Lebron russwest is a troll:roll:

[Fudge]

Ok? Just pointing out that we know you're KingPush.
Yo he really thinks you're robert shaw doe. :lol :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lebron james

[Fudge]

KingPush' vote shouldn't count.

Hakeem might actually get this spot. BlazerRed IM'd me and told me to vote for Hakeem as well.

[DaSeba5]

Lmao russwest0 just lost all credibility with that thread

How can a biased poster run these polls? Someone else should remake it and start again from #1

I've been thinking about it, but we will get the same results.

[Nash]

lebron

[Cocaine80s]

I've been thinking about it, but we will get the same results.
do it man. OP is obviously biased and is manipulating the rules to make his ideal top 10

[lakerfreak]

Lebron James

[fpliii]

Lmao russwest0 just lost all credibility with that thread

How can a biased poster run these polls? Someone else should remake it and start again from #1
To be fair though, all of the threads got a ton of votes. I would've left the #9 thread open longer, but Kobe was probably going to beat Hakeem. LeBron will probably win here at #10.

The only things that could change from a re-vote:

1) Kobe's and LeBron's positions, depending on when their fans decide to vote heavily.
2) Duncan at #5. I don't think it's unreasonable to put him there (then again, I don't have a GOAT list), but I think now that people have seen him voted in at 5 in russwest0's thread, people who didn't participate might show up in order to get Bird/Magic in over him.
3) People might get complacent and not vote, since we'll already have finished one Top 10.

You guys can run the voting again, but I'm not sure if there's a point. :confusedshrug:

[DaSeba5]

To be fair though, all of the threads got a ton of votes. I would've left the #9 thread open longer, but Kobe was probably going to beat Hakeem. LeBron will probably win here at #10.

The only things that could change from a re-vote:

1) Kobe's and LeBron's positions, depending on when their fans decide to vote heavily.
2) Duncan at #5. I don't think it's unreasonable to put him there (then again, I don't have a GOAT list), but I think now that people have seen him voted in at 5 in russwest0's thread, people who didn't participate might show up in order to get Bird/Magic in over him.
3) People might get complacent and not vote, since we'll already have finished one Top 10.

You guys can run the voting again, but I'm not sure if there's a point. :confusedshrug:

I don't think so either. We will get about the same results and people will complain about doing this again.

[Nash]

I guess this thread is a done deal. Lebron at #10. Can anybody else open the #11 thread? Surely russwest won't.

[jcsrplumply]

Hakeem

[DaSeba5]

If I was in charge I would have wrote a short biography on every player that won with their accolades and used several pictures throughout their careers to make it look very official and organized. I also would have showed the number of votes on the first post.

[Magic731]

Hakeem

[Fudge]

Hakeem

[Angel Face]

No way LeBron takes the 10th spot,

I'll vote Hakeem

[RoundMoundOfReb]

31-25 for LeBron according to my count which could be wrong...also Fudge voted for Hakeeem like 6 times...so i only counted him once and didn't count KingPush which is a cocaine80s alt...

[#number6ix#]

Bron

[Fudge]

Hakeem has 36 votes.

Dude got the #10 in the bag. Close it up, russ.

[Milbuck]

It's 36-35 for Hakeem, 36-36 if you count KingPush..

[Milbuck]

You counted Fudge and KendrickPerkins?
I counted Fudge once, not KP or his multiple posts. And with that last post Lebron's up by 1.

[Cocaine80s]

I counted Fudge once, not KP or his multiple posts. And with that last post Lebron's up by 1.
voting was over when Lebron reached 30 votes. He was up 30-25

[Milbuck]

voting was over when Lebron reached 30 votes. He was up 30-25
30 votes if it's a landslide..a day when it's closer. When it's between like 1-2 votes like it is right now it's not at all decided.

[Cocaine80s]

30 votes if it's a landslide..a day when it's closer. When it's between like 1-2 votes like it is right now it's not at all decided.
now ur just making up rules. Some legit poster like deseba should just restart this shit with clear rules

[zoom17]

30 votes if it's a landslide..a day when it's closer. When it's between like 1-2 votes like it is right now it's not at all decided.

blame russwest he closed #9 thread four hours in.

[houston]

LeBron


yup

[Fudge]

blame russwest he closed #9 thread four hours in.
Yo

[Milbuck]

now ur just making up rules. Some legit poster like deseba should just restart this shit with clear rules
It was stated on the first page..30 posts or a day. Why the **** would it be reasonable to close voting at that number when it's between 1 or 2 votes?

blame russwest he closed #9 thread four hours in.
Dumb move on his part, definitely..but it's a different situation. Kobe had more votes than Lebron and Hakeem combined. This thread was a matter of a couple votes.

[Cocaine80s]

It was stated on the first page..30 posts or a day. Why the **** would it be reasonable to close voting at that number when it's between 1 or 2 votes?


i just counted the first 30 votes. its 18-12, not between 1 or 2 votes

[ArbitraryWater]

I got:

6-6 after 1st page, 14-8 LeBron after 2nd page, (Im not gonna fkn count Crose with 11 posts... Lord Bean and Jerry Seinfeld, both Hakeem voters, are likely alts as well, but counted) 18-13 LeBron after 3, 20-16 LeBron after 4, 26-21 LeBron after 5, 28-24 LeBron after 6, (with another likely alt in HannibalKid voting for Hakeem, which I counted) 32-27 LeBron after 7 (Fudge posting again, obv not counted, and a suspicious Bobby13, likely alt, AGAIN for Hakeem, but counted), 35-28 after 8, (OBVIOUSLY not counting the alt with 2 fkn posts who came in to give Hakeem another vote.. neither the KingPush alt, cocaine80s), 37-31 LeBron after 9... which is where it is at the moment.

So without counting these 2 or 10 post guys, or Fudge dozens posts, it's LeBron by a bit.

LeBron: 37
Hakeem: 31

[Fudge]

KendrickPerkins isn't me. :facepalm

[navy]

So is this thread still going on?

[Heatles201]

Bran

[robert_shaww]

hakeem

[Meticode]

Not even going to vote because the past thread got ****ed up. :lol

[Cocaine80s]

hakeem
get the fvck out of here milbitch

[Milbuck]

get the fvck out of here milbitch
That hasn't been funny in weeks.

[Cocaine80s]

That hasn't been funny in weeks.
negged

[JohnFreeman]

Why are you voting 10? 9 thread wasn't even up long

[Milbuck]

negged
Good thing your rep/negs don't mean anything.

[JohnFreeman]

lebron

[DaSeba5]

Why are you voting 10? 9 thread wasn't even up long

We're on 11 now

[ZMonkey11]

Isiah Thomas

[Cone]

lbj

[stalkerforlife]

Hakeem.

[stalkerforlife]

What case does Hakeem have over LeBron?:oldlol:

Winning back to back titles with the worst supporting cast in the history of back to back titles?

:biggums:

He won with ROLE players and didn't need to COLLUDE.

[Angel Face]

Winning back to back titles with the worst supporting cast in the history of back to back titles?

:biggums:

He won with ROLE players and didn't need to COLLUDE.

This, Lebron is almost 1/5 in the Finals on a super stacked team. He's lucky Ray's 3 gifted him his 2nd ring.

Hakeem >>> Lebron.

[1987_Lakers]

Winning back to back titles with the worst supporting cast in the history of back to back titles?

:biggums:

He won with ROLE players and didn't need to COLLUDE.

Rick Barry also won with role players, is he the GOAT SF now? Dirk did the same thing, but nobody is putting him ahead of LeBron.

The fact is LeBron has the same amount of titles, more Finals appearances, & has 3 more league MVPs than Hakeem.

[played0ut]

lebron

[nzahir]

bron