2014 Edition of ISH's All-Time List: #9 (REDO)

[DaSeba5]

MODS CLOSE THIS THREAD. I'm just going to add to Russ' list.

http://ocnnreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bf97bb0349eb9a2b25efeb11b2d9.jpg

So forget all the threads you've seen. We're starting over, but not at #1 again. The list went downhill after #9. If you know who the alts are, tell me whose vote counts. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEBRON AND KOBE. It's just that the #9 thread ended too fast and felt rigged. I'd rather do this fair.

The previous winner of Russ' #8 All-time thread was Shaquille O'Neal.

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan (#23) - SG.
6x NBA Champion, 6x Finals MVPs, 5x MVPs, 14x All-Star, x10 Scoring Champ, DPOY (1988), ROTY (1985)
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (#33) - C.
6x NBA Champion, 2x NBA Finals MVPs, 6x MVPs, 19x All-Star, 2x Scoring Champ, ROTY (1970)
3. Bill Russell (#6) - C.
11x NBA Champion, 5x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star
4. Wilt Chamberlain (#13)- C.
2x NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, 4x NBA MVP, 13x All-Star, 7x Scoring Champ, ROTY (1960)
5. Tim Duncan (#21) - PF/C.
5x NBA Champion, 3x NBA Finals MVP, 2x NBA MVP, 14x All-Star, ROTY (1998)
6. Larry Bird (#33) - SF.
3x NBA Champion, 2x NBA Finals MVP, 3x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star, ROTY (1980), Coach of the Year (1998)
7. Magic Johnson (#32) - PG.
5x NBA Champion, 3x NBA Finals MVP, 3x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star
8. Shaquille O'Neal (#32,34,33,36) - C.
4x NBA Champion, 3x Finals MVP, NBA MVP, 15x All-Star, ROTY (1993)

To vote on who you think the 9th best player of all time is, simply comment or post a picture. I will start the new thread every day around 9:00 PM EST (should be within a couple of minutes, it's not going to be exact). If it's too close to call (5 or less votes), I will leave it open until midnight. By midnight, whoever has the most votes will win and we will move on.

YOU MUST HAVE 1000 POSTS FOR YOUR VOTE TO COUNT


VOTE COUNT:
LeBron-17
Kobe-21
Hakeem-2

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron

[Orlando Magic]

LeBron

[ArbitraryWater]

Love that Picture.. start of an era

[Mass Debator]

Kobe

[MP.Trey]

The dysfunction with this shit. I've voted like six different times today. :oldlol:

Kobe at #9. He's in the same tier as Shaq for me so he should be right behind.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Love that Picture.. start of an era
Same..it's what i think of when i first think of Shaq and that Lakers run...

Anyways: LeBron James

[ArbitraryWater]

This isn't 2011 anymore, People.. Kobe over LeBron, even all-time, doesn't make much sense anymore when LeBron's top 5 seasons are all > Kobe's top 5 seasons... Think about it.

2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014 LeBron = Any Kobe Version if we're being honest :confusedshrug:

[DaSeba5]

The dysfunction with this shit. I've voted like six different times today. :oldlol:

Kobe at #9. He's in the same tier as Shaq for me so he should be right behind.

Yah I'm sorry. But it was pointless to start over from the beginning. I think starting at #9 is the right thing to do.

[BasedTom]

Lebron edges out Hakeem, but things get very close.

so yeah, Bran's my vote

[Raymone]

Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

Since OP should be leading this shit from now on, make some requirements... Only Posters with 500+ Posts (?) and how long does the voting go? A day? Or does a player Need a required amount of votes?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Make a minimum post requirement...ISH's All-Time List should be made by people who actually post on ISH..

[Heatles201]

LeBron James

[DaSeba5]

Since OP should be leading this shit from now on, make some requirements... Only Posters with 500+ Posts (?) and how long does the voting go? A day? Or does a player Need a required amount of votes?

I will start a new one every day at 9 PM EST, so this one will close tomorrow at 9 PM EST. With an exception that if it's too close to call. If it's around 2-3 votes, I'll give it until midnight EST.

[JohnFreeman]

Lebron

[zoom17]

Lebron

[Bernie Nips]

LeBron

[ArbitraryWater]

I will start a new one every day at 9 PM EST, so this one will close tomorrow at 9 PM EST. With an exception that if it's too close to call. If it's around 2-3 votes, I'll give it until midnight EST.

Too close should be within 5 votes or less okay?

Although I fear this will be the case among several Players, especially after we're through with the last of the 3 LeBron/Kobe/Hakeem..

[DaSeba5]

Too close should be within 5 votes or less okay?

Although I fear this will be the case among several Players, especially after we're through with the last of the 3 LeBron/Kobe/Hakeem..

Ok if it's 5 or less votes close. If it's still close by midnight, we move on because then it will drag out.

[DaSeba5]

Make a minimum post requirement...ISH's All-Time List should be made by people who actually post on ISH..

How many posts do you think is fair?

[Cocaine80s]

How many posts do you think is fair?
500+ and green

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How many posts do you think is fair?
1000...500 would be fine too

[ArbitraryWater]

We don't need to exclude red posters, but overall it would probably be fair..

Still, against it..

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Lebron then Akeem

[DaSeba5]

1000...500 would be fine too

Considering how much people post on here, I'm sure a 1000 won't be a problem. But I think 500 is enough. I mean if you post 500 times on here you must like this place enough to post 500 times.

[ArbitraryWater]

Now 10-3 for LeBron

[DaSeba5]

Now 10-3 for LeBron

I'm counting 9. But now 8 since we're doing only posters with 1000 posts.

[ArbitraryWater]

Considering how much people post on here, I'm sure a 1000 won't be a problem. But I think 500 is enough. I mean if you post 500 times on here you must like this place enough to post 500 times.

Basically what it does is keep away alts / same poster posting multiple times... I'm not sure 500 really is enough. Maybe for 2014 Posters.. But look at me :lol

I like 1000... Guys that aren't alts / Have 1 account and actually post here

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm counting 9.

Me/Cocaine/OrlandoMagic/RoundMound/BasedTom/Heatles/Freeman/zoom/BernieNips/MilkyBarKid... Although yea, if you dont count Heatles, then 9.. Which makes more sense.

[DaSeba5]

Me/Cocaine/OrlandoMagic/RoundMound/BasedTom/Heatles/Freeman/zoom/BernieNips/MilkyBarKid... Although yea, if you dont count Heatles, then 9.. Which makes more sense.

Ok. As long as I have people helping me with the voting count because it's hard to keep track then it should be smooth from here.

[Riley Martin]

Between Hakeem and Kobe.. mmm I'll say Kobe.

[DaSeba5]

Between Hakeem and Kobe.. mmm I'll say Kobe.

Sorry you need 1000 posts.

[Milbuck]

What is the point of this? Just keep the one that already exists open..

[ArbitraryWater]

What is the point of this? Just keep the one that already exists open..

A troll-fest with 10+ alts and no rules, led by russwest? Naw..

[fpliii]

Nah can't count him... 400 Posts since 2011.. Never seen the guy before.. Obvious alt
Riley used to post on ESPN and I know him from another board, not an alt. He's a Heat fan fwiw.

[Milbuck]

A troll-fest with 10+ alts and no rules, led by russwest? Naw..
The whole issue was closing the thread too early..so just keep that one open. It's not like the voting was close anyways, Kobe had more votes than Lebron and Hakeem combined. And how are we to determine who is an alt?

[fpliii]

A troll-fest with 10+ alts and no rules, led by russwest? Naw..
To be fair, we're gonna end up with two lists now. russwest0's with Kobe-LeBron going 9-10, and this one with LeBron-Kobe going 9-10. Hakeem, KG, Oscar, etc. don't have enough supporters to move the needle.

Don't have an issue with it, just an observation.

[ArbitraryWater]

Riley used to post on ESPN and I know him from another board, not an alt. He's a Heat fan fwiw.

Yea but we could say this for everyone.. Need a strict rule.. And frankly, just because you know him from ESPN, doesn't really mean he's not one.. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything.

[ArbitraryWater]

The whole issue was closing the thread too early..so just keep that one open. It's not like the voting was close anyways, Kobe had more votes than Lebron and Hakeem combined. And how are we to determine who is an alt?

Well I doubt any alt will have 1000 or even 500 Posts.. So actually it might be easier than you think.

[fpliii]

Yea but we could say this for everyone.. Need a strict rule.. And frankly, just because you know him from ESPN, doesn't really mean he's not one.. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything.
Yeah, that's fine if you don't want to set a bad precedent/open up the floodgates.

[robert de niro]

since this thread has no credibility whatsoever, brandon jennings

[Milbuck]

Well I doubt any alt will have 1000 or even 500 Posts.. So actually it might be easier than you think.
Lurkers exist, but whatever. Just continue with that thread considering there are so many votes already there that are most likely going to be discounted from posters who 1) might not come back to see the re-do, and 2) posters who don't want to re-vote. Start your sub-500 post rule in that thread.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron is in the lead with mostly green bar posters voting, an objective OP and finally some fair rules = no credibility >>> kobe fans

[r0drig0lac]

Bean

[Kobr]

Kobe Bryant.

I almost didn't post in this disgrace of a list that would have Kobe outside of 6-8th.

[BasedTom]

LeBron is in the lead with mostly green bar posters voting, an objective OP and finally some fair rules = no credibility >>> kobe fans
It's only been up for an hour.

Our burger-flipping friends from the Worst Coast deserve to have their voices heard. The reason why this thread even exists is because of Russ being unfair as hell and closing it in half an hour

[chazzy]

Kobe

[Denitron]

OP :applause:

:lol if Kobe falls to #11 now

Voting for Lebron

[Fudge]

Kobe Bryant

[MP.Trey]

Honestly you know how ISH works. 10 people in a row will rattle off Kobe votes, then LeBron votes, then Kobe votes, then LeBron votes, a couple Hakeem votes. An early lead means nada.

[DaSeba5]

since this thread has no credibility whatsoever, brandon jennings

Why doesn't it have credibility?

[G-train]

Kobe Bryant

[ArbitraryWater]

Any reasoning for Bean?

For LeBron I got:

Better Peak, better prime, better Playoff Performer, regular season Performer, THREE more MVP's, better scorer as can easily be seen by both volume/ppg AND Efficiency, better across the board basically, way better in Elimination games / pressure games / back against the wall and last second shots, better playmaker, rebounder, Defender (2010-2013 > Kobe 2000-2003)

Better Peak and prime, LeBron's top FIVE years > Kobe's top 5 years... All of them.

2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014 > Kobe 2001, 2003, 2008, 2006, 2009

And the real difference Comes beyond that, when Kobe has 1 more great year in 2010, and the rest is kind of meh compared to LeBron's sick 2011, 2008, 2007, 2006 and the upcoming seasons..

For Kobe I got: Phyve Rangz, 81 Poinz, Killer Instinct, Clutch Gene, All-Star Games, Dunk Contest, Hit 12 Threes in a Game..

[ArbitraryWater]

It's only been up for an hour.

Our burger-flipping friends from the Worst Coast deserve to have their voices heard. The reason why this thread even exists is because of Russ being unfair as hell and closing it in half an hour

I know, I'm just saying LeBron being in the lead was the reason he didn't call it credible anymore

[RRR3]

Kobe.


Because I feel like being difficult :lol

[Milbuck]

Any reasoning for Bean?

For LeBron I got:

Better Peak, better prime, better Playoff Performer, regular season Performer, THREE more MVP's, better scorer as can easily be seen by both volume/ppg AND Efficiency, better across the board basically, way better in Elimination games / pressure games / back against the wall and last second shots, better playmaker, rebounder, Defender (2010-2013 > Kobe 2000-2003)

Better Peak and prime, LeBron's top FIVE years > Kobe's top 5 years... All of them.

2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014 > Kobe 2001, 2003, 2008, 2006, 2009

And the real difference Comes beyond that, when Kobe has 1 more great year in 2010, and the rest is kind of meh compared to LeBron's sick 2011, 2008, 2007, 2006 and the upcoming seasons..

For Kobe I got: Phyve Rangz, 81 Poinz, Killer Instinct, Clutch Gene, All-Star Games, Dunk Contest, Hit 12 Threes in a Game, a Member of 3 more title Teams..
Lebron's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 28/9/6/2/1 on 58% TS

Kobe's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS

[stalkerforlife]

Um, no. russwest's top 10 is the real one, as he put in a lot of hard work.

I won't dignify this BS with a vote.

[no pun intended]

Kobe Bryant.

[dubeta]

Lebron's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 28/9/6/2/1 on 58% TS

Kobe's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS

:applause: exactly bran> bean

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 28/9/6/2/1 on 58% TS

Kobe's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS

Sure, stat wise they look Close.. And when including TS%.. But refute a Point of mine.

LeBron IS a much better playmaker and passer, Rebounder, and I'm still taking 28 ppg on 50% on 20 fga (LeBron 12+13) over 30 ppg on 46% and 23 fga...

[DaSeba5]

It got close.

[chazzy]

It got close.
All of us west coasters were stuck in traffic on the way home from flipping burgers

[DaSeba5]

All of us west coasters were stuck in traffic on the way home from flipping burgers

No problem. I'm glad it did. I already have little credibility for hijacking Russ' threads, but at least I won't be accused of rigging this for LeBron or anything. Kobe could win again.

[Beatlezz]

Bean. :whatever:

[Magic731]

Kobe

[DaSeba5]

If worst comes to worse, Russ can use this thread to start over at #10.

[Beatlezz]

It got close.

So, are you going to redo this again WHEN Kobe wins it again? :coleman::durantunimpressed: :whatever: :kobe:

[Angel Face]

Kobe won by a landslide in the other thread. No need to be insecure about Lebron not in top 10 as realistically, he's not. Stop dreaming. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Reasons for Kobe? Still None?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 28/9/6/2/1 on 58% TS

Kobe's back-to-back championship playoff stats: 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS

All of those Kobe numbers are rounded up...

29.7/5.7/5.5 on 56.5% TS

vs

28.1/9.1/6.1 on 58.0% TS


Adjusting Kobe's number to the Heat's pace...

2013 Heat = 89.8
2012 Heat = 90.5

Average Pace = (89.8*23+90.5*23)/46 = 90.15

2010 Lakers = 95.2
2009 Lakers = 96.9

Average Pace = 96.05

Kobe's Numbers:

27.9/5.3/5.2 on 56.5% TS

LeBron's Numbers:

28.1/9.1/6.1 on 58.0% TS

[DaSeba5]

So, are you going to redo this again WHEN Kobe wins it again? :coleman::durantunimpressed: :whatever: :kobe:

I only redid it because he closed the #9 thread in an hour. I'm a Heat fan. I have no agenda here. There are no Heat players in the top 10. I have no allegiance to LeBron.

[DaSeba5]

Kobe won by a landslide in the other thread. No need to be insecure about Lebron not in top 10 as realistically, he's not. Stop dreaming. :oldlol:

Who says Kobe won't win by a landslide again? Kobe has the momentum in this thread right now.

[GODbe]

The voting ended in the other thread. Stop trying to force LeBald into the top 10:facepalm .

[scandisk_]

This is easy

The cold blooded killa :rockon:

[DaSeba5]

The voting ended in the other thread. Stop trying to force LeBald into the top 10:facepalm .

Kobe is probably going to win again. That wasn't my intent, Kobe stans.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron

[navy]

All of those Kobe numbers are rounded up...

29.7/5.7/5.5 on 56.5% TS

vs

28.1/9.1/6.1 on 58.0% TS


Adjusting Kobe's number to the Heat's pace...

2013 Heat = 89.8
2012 Heat = 90.5

Average Pace = (89.8*23+90.5*23)/46 = 90.15

2010 Lakers = 95.2
2009 Lakers = 96.9

Average Pace = 96.05

Kobe's Numbers:

27.9/5.3/5.2 on 56.5% TS

LeBron's Numbers:

28.1/9.1/6.1 on 58.0% TS
Bran > Kobe

But Im not sure if Id place Lebron over Kobe before Lebron retires.

We should punish Bran and Kobe stans for ruining he vote and put Hakeem and West into the Top 10. :rockon:

[RRR3]

I vote for Kobe to speed things up (and I hate Kobe), even though I voted LBJ in thread that russwest rigged, and mamba boys are still complaining

[ArbitraryWater]

I vote for Kobe to speed things up (and I hate Kobe), even though I voted LBJ in thread that russwest rigged, and mamba boys are still complaining

And that was pretty dumb considering you think LeBron should be ahead and this will turn out Close :lol

[Orlando Magic]

This is easy

The cold blooded killa :rockon:

Reggie Miller?

[RRR3]

And that was pretty dumb considering you think LeBron should be ahead and this will turn out Close :lol
Yeah I feel like ****ing around though and I should really not care much anyways about these lists. I haven't watched most of these players anyways.

[Warfan]

This thread is basically which player has more of his stans online right now.

It's way to late now, but I suggested early on that people should do a well-though write up to explain their pick. But that shit aint happening on ISH, atleast for a certain number of posters

[DaSeba5]

This thread is basically which player has more of his stans online right now.

It's way to late now, but I suggested early on that people should do a well-though write up to explain their pick. But that shit aint happening on ISH, atleast for a certain group of posters

Sadly yes. I'll probably stop after this one. I'm sure Russ will go on a rant about me tomorrow. I should have started it a while ago before Russ.

[DaSeba5]

I just want to get past LeBron and Kobe, and get into the fun part of ranking players in the teens and 20s.

[RRR3]

I just want to get past LeBron and Kobe, and get into the fun part of ranking players in the teens and 20s.
Honestly I would either just go to 11 and keep kobe 9 LBJ 10 like earlier (even though both of those were questionable, especially the kobe vote) or just ban LBJ and kobe from being voted for. They **** everything up tbqh

[Myth]

Hakeem

[TylerOO]

lekang

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Once we get past 9-11 we it should be a lot smoother

[Myth]

This is easy

The cold blooded killa :rockon:

Jayson Williams doesn't deserve mention in a top 10 list :no:

[RRR3]

Hakeem
Silence. There are only two options, Bean and Bran.

No non-stanning allowed :no:

[ShackEelOKneel]

The only guy to every make Shaq look like a chump: Hakeem Olajuwon

[Orlando Magic]

The only guy to every make Shaq look like a chump: Hakeem Olajuwon

That's not true at all. You probably didn't watch the series.

[Round Mound]

Hakeem

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lebron

[CeilingFan#1]

Hakeem

[russwest0]

How was the list "rigged?"

It had over total 30 votes and Kobe had the clear lead.

People had been bitching about me taking too long before making new threads. Kobe had like 10 straight votes at one point and was clearly in 2nd place in the thread prior.

It was clear who was going to win so why leave the thread up for a few days with Kobe having a huge lead?

You guys are pathetic... :facepalm

[CeilingFan#1]

[YOU MUST HAVE 1000 POSTS FOR YOUR VOTE TO COUNT

DO NOT START A NEW ONE BEFORE 9 PM of TOMORROW. If you want a fair, official list, you will be patient.


I hope you realize this makes no sense considering #1-8 didn't use this criteria. If you want this stipulation, you should just start over from #1.

[CeilingFan#1]

How was the list "rigged?"

It had over total 30 votes and Kobe had the clear lead.

People had been bitching about me taking too long before making new threads. Kobe had like 10 straight votes at one point and was clearly in 2nd place in the thread prior.

It was clear who was going to win so why leave the thread up for a few days with Kobe having a huge lead?

You guys are pathetic... :facepalm

What is clear is that you only stopped the one early that benefitted Kobe. That sir, is a fact. As I said in the above post, consistency is the only way these list make sense.

[russwest0]

I hope you realize this makes no sense considering #1-8 didn't use this criteria. If you want this stipulation, you should just start over from #1.

Apparently they don't understand and want to start creating their own rules and threads now that they are unhappy that I listened to their request and started making the threads sooner once the winner was clear.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Thank god these guys didn't run the list throughout the top 10. Who knows what rules they would have made up whenever someone they didn't like got voted higher than they wanted.

[russwest0]

What is clear is that you only stopped the one early that benefitted Kobe. That sir, is a fact. As I said in the above post, consistency is the only way these list make sense.

Go count the votes. I stopped other votes just about that early once guys had that big of a lead on votes. For example MJ.

People only whined because they thought I was leaving the other threads open for too long as if it had something to do with Kobe and not me being busy on the weekends :oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

Go count the votes. I stopped other votes just about that early once guys had that big of a lead on votes. For example MJ.

People only whined because they thought I was leaving the other threads open for too long as if it had something to do with Kobe and not me being busy on the weekends :oldlol:
its monday

[DaSeba5]

I hope you realize this makes no sense considering #1-8 didn't use this criteria. If you want this stipulation, you should just start over from #1.

Since a lot of people are complaining about this then I'll drop this section of it.

[dreamwarrior]

Kobe

[imdaman99]

Kobe Bryant

[VIntageNOvel]

Kobe

[aj1987]

LeBron.

[Dr Seuss]

Kobe

[Cold soul]

Kobe

[Heavincent]

Kobe

[Milbuck]

Don't know if I already voted when I was talking to AW..but Kobe.

[dyna]

Lebron

[DaSeba5]

Well I jumped to 11, but I guess people still want to do this one.

[RRR3]

Kobe is 9th, LeBron is 10th. Lets focus on 11 now

[Derivative]

Lebron James

[dannywpt]

Kobe Bean

[Sakkreth]

LeBron

So Kobe with 19 and LeBron with 18 so far.

[pauk]

Lebron

[BGriffin's Dad]

kobe

[ImKobe]

Kobe

[livinglegend]

Lebron