We finna act like Kobe wouldn't lead the Heat over the Spurs?

[sportjames23]

Kobe, the Spurs killa?

[RRR3]

Kobe is the worst player I've ever seen tbqh. I'd take Joel Anthony over him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Has Kobe EVER gotten the complete lack of help in a Finals that LeBron got this year against the Spurs?

[DaSeba5]

I don't think anyone is beating that Spurs team.

[GODbe]

:lol Kobe was eating the prime version of that team alive. Can only imagine the massacre that would ensue if that switch happened. Not to mention he'd be with a superteam this time around. No doubt Heat sweep each time.

[buddha]

Has Kobe EVER gotten the complete lack of help in a Finals that LeBron got this year against the Spurs?

kind of hard for LeBron's teammates to succeed when he is playing PG and only averages 4 assists.

[NumberSix]

Kobe would have lost to Brooklyn

[sportjames23]

Replace Lebron with Jordan and the Spurs get swept. F outta here.


Fix'd for you, my nigguh.

[Angel Face]

Lebron sisterhood acting like that Spurs team is invincible when in fact that Spurs team wasn't even the best Spurs championship team in their team's history. Heck, their last year's line - up wasn't that much different from this year and the fact that their core 3 is old and out of prime.

[Angel Face]

Replace Jordan with LeBron and the Spurs win in 4. F outta here.

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[JohnFreeman]

Kobe is garbage

[played0ut]

I don't think so. Aside from Lebron, the team was playing pretty bad. But possible if you consider Kobe driving the team to play harder. That's my only knock on Lebron and the heat 2014.


Replace Jordan with LeBron and the Spurs win in 4. F outta here.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe would probably put up 28 ppg against the Spurs, on lower FG% than LeBron.... It would basically be the same series

[deja vu]

Replace old Duncan with prime Duncan and the Spurs sweep the Heat. And win 2013 as well.

[inclinerator]

lebron 28 on 55 percent

let's say kobe averaged 35 against them on 50 percent, still lose unless kobe can defend 5 players at once

[SouBeachTalents]

Replace old Duncan with prime Duncan and the Spurs sweep the Heat. And win 2013 as well.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070106155834/uncyclopedia/images/archive/1/15/20070526081818!CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg

[KBaller33]

Replacing LeBron with any other all time great wouldn't change anything. Jordan or Kobe would get their points but they can't play defense for everyone else on the court. They can't get Wade to create a shot for his own. They can't help the terrible point guard play the Heat had this series.

[Soundwave]

Replacing LeBron with any other all time great wouldn't change anything. Jordan or Kobe would get their points but they can't play defense for everyone else on the court. They can't get Wade to create a shot for his own. They can't help the terrible point guard play the Heat had this series.

Jordan created a different type of focus with his teammates, a certain confidence and ability to battle/compete.

Miami was just a group of individuals, I don't think LeBron inspires that type of focus from his teammates. They play well when things are going good for them and fold when it gets tough.

Points/rebounds/assists are just one metric, great players impact the "flow" of the game in numerous way ... ie: hitting a shot at a key moment to swing momentum back in their favor.

That stuff does not show up on a stat sheet, but it's often things like that accumulated over the span of a game that can change a game.

The Spurs simply crushed Miami's spirit. But they're not some superhuman team, they had big trouble with 8th seed Dallas, could've easily lost that series, and probably would've needed 7 games versus the Thunder if Ibaka had not been injured.

[LBJFTW]

Replace old Duncan with prime Duncan and the Spurs sweep the Heat. And win 2013 as well.

And that would still hold true with a PRIME wade on the Heat.

[SouBeachTalents]

And that would still hold true with a PRIME wade on the Heat.

There's no way in hell a team with prime LeBron AND Wade is getting swept

[KBaller33]

Jordan created a different type of focus with his teammates, a certain confidence and ability to battle/compete.

Miami was just a group of individuals, I don't think LeBron inspires that type of focus from his teammates. They play well when things are going good for them and fold when it gets tough.

Points/rebounds/assists are just one metric, great players impact the "flow" of the game in numerous way ... ie: hitting a shot at a key moment to swing momentum back in their favor.

That stuff does not show up on a stat sheet, but it's often things like that accumulated over the span of a game that can change a game.

The Spurs simply crushed Miami's spirit. But they're not some superhuman team, they had big trouble with 8th seed Dallas, could've easily lost that series, and probably would've needed 7 games versus the Thunder if Ibaka had not been injured.

I agree with the focus part. MJ is different in that aspect and he would bring and inspire more fight. But they way the Spurs were playing I doubt much would change. They had the greatest finals shooting performance in one game. Their ball movement was amazing. MJ would be super competetive as usual but I don't see it happening. Do you think MJ gets Wade to create a shot for self? The 2014 finals was the worst series Wade ever had. The Heat couldn't get pass that.

[LBJFTW]

There's no way in hell a team with prime LeBron AND Wade is getting swept

Do you not know how good a prime Duncan is?

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you not know how good a prime Duncan is?

He's not good enough to SWEEP a prime LeBron/Wade duo

[Prometheus]

I'm sick of this bullshit. Prime Duncan would have done this, no he wouldn't beat LeBron and Wade, Jordan would have beat the Spurs, LeBron should have beat the Spurs... you're all a bunch of ****ing idiots - basketball is a 5 on 5 game - "Duncan" did not beat "LeBron" this year, the ****ing Spurs beat the Miami Heat in dominating fashion because they were a much better basketball team. They were cohesive, well-coached, full of savvy players who defended, moved the ball extremely well and shot the lights out like we've never seen a team do before.

Replace LeBron with Kobe? First of all Miami would have two starting shooting guards so there goes that ****ing idea... the Heat were getting blown out by 20 points every game. What the **** is Kobe gonna do? Jordan? Sorry Jordan is the greatest baller in history and LeBron can't hold his jock strap, but put Jordan at the 3 spot on that Miami squad and they'd get blown out just the same. You ****ing morons wasting your breath about how MJ would have inspired the team to focus harder and blah blah blah god dammit they got severely outplayed and outcoached, no single player would have made a damn bit of difference.

If anything, replacing LeBron with anyone else would have led to a sweep. The only game Miami stole was won on the coattails of LeBron going berserk. **** OP, **** stalkerforlife, **** all you stupid repetitive kobetards spitting your repetitive garbage and being blind to the actual game of basketball.

[sportjames23]

Prometheus, bruh, you sound upset. May I suggest you take a valium? Or fap to some pr0n? Or smoke some weed? Just relax, my friend.

[Soundwave]

I agree with the focus part. MJ is different in that aspect and he would bring and inspire more fight. But they way the Spurs were playing I doubt much would change. They had the greatest finals shooting performance in one game. Their ball movement was amazing. MJ would be super competetive as usual but I don't see it happening. Do you think MJ gets Wade to create a shot for self? The 2014 finals was the worst series Wade ever had. The Heat couldn't get pass that.

It's the same Spurs team that very nearly was beaten in round 1 by the 8th seed Dallas Mavericks just a few weeks prior.

They just wanted it more than Miami did, Miami did not want to fight for a chip.

Beyond that I think a few chickens came home to roost for Miami ... for one I don't think LeBron/Wade/Bosh ever really played that great together. Their games were not a good fit and LeBron isn't the type of leader to get his teams to fit into his game philosophy.

Jordan was willing to accept a very different style of offence in the triangle, taking fewer shots, and letting Pippen taking over more of the ball handling because it's what was best for the team. LeBron expects everyone to play his style of game, I saw zero inclination on his part to adapt his game for the betterment of Bosh/Wade at all. He basically wanted to play the exact same way he did in Cleveland.

It's not a coincidence I think that when Lebron teams fold in the post-season, it tends to be a spectacular collapse with not a lot of fight left by the end of it. Dallas looked like the greatest team ever assembled by the end of the 2011 Finals when they were whupping Miami too. Shaq teams did the same thing.
It's kind of a reflection of the lead player IMO.

[SCdac]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif
thread isn't complete without it

[Inferno]

Kobe would probably put up 30 ppg against the Spurs, on lower FG% than LeBron.... It would basically be the same series

^^^

[Prometheus]

Prometheus, bruh, you sound upset. May I suggest you take a valium? Or fap to some pr0n? Or smoke some weed? Just relax, my friend.

lol I love basketball my dude. I also love the truth. both are being disrespected and I'm just venting. repped for counseling though

[Prometheus]

Prometheus, bruh, you sound upset. May I suggest you take a valium? Or fap to some pr0n? Or smoke some weed? Just relax, my friend.

also because of how true your tagline is

[sportjames23]

also because of how true your tagline is


We good, my nigguh. Let's smoke up and then go pick up some hoes. :cheers:

[Prometheus]

We good, my nigguh. Let's smoke up and then go pick up some hoes. :cheers:

lol i'll take the bud and pass on the booty... got a wifey with a fat ass ready for it 24/7, actually I'm done with ISH for now, gonna sip some st ides and watch orange is the new black with her :banana:

[sportjames23]

I hear ya, bruh. :cheers:

[RRR3]

lol i'll take the bud and pass on the booty... got a wifey with a fat ass ready for it 24/7, actually I'm done with ISH for now, gonna sip some st ides and watch orange is the new black with her :banana:
I'll take the girls if Prometheus doesn't

[sekachu]

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I don't think anyone is beating that Spurs team.[/QUOT




I can see the heat players would play much better with their heart with MJ on the team and the spurs momentum wouldn't be as strong against MJ's heat.

[305Baller]

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I don't think anyone is beating that Spurs team.[/QUOT




I can see the heat players would play much better with their heart with MJ on the team and the spurs momentum wouldn't be as strong against MJ's heat.


Kobe did own the Spurs...yet did not OWN a defensively stout Celtics team??

[Myth]

Who is OP with his blue bar?

[sportjames23]

Who is OP with his blue bar?

I am the first of a new breed of ISHer.

We shall replace you, as homo sapiens replaced the Cro Magnons and Neanderthals.

Kneel before your new master.

Kneel before...

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120831143213/supermanrebirth/images/7/79/Terence_Stamp_Zod.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Brilliant analogy and top notch logic... Kobe would beat the Spurs, well, because he's the Spurs killer.

So I just checked his series' against the Spurs because I knew he beasted in 2001 and 2008... but damn, what happened in 1999, 2003 and 2004?

1999: 21 ppg on 45%
2003: 32/5/4 on 43% and 27 fga........ Through first 4 games: 35 ppg on 41% :lol
2004: 26 ppg on 46% and 22 fga

Spurs kilaaaaa

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan created a different type of focus with his teammates, a certain confidence and ability to battle/compete.

Miami was just a group of individuals, I don't think LeBron inspires that type of focus from his teammates. They play well when things are going good for them and fold when it gets tough.

Points/rebounds/assists are just one metric, great players impact the "flow" of the game in numerous way ... ie: hitting a shot at a key moment to swing momentum back in their favor.

That stuff does not show up on a stat sheet, but it's often things like that accumulated over the span of a game that can change a game.

The Spurs simply crushed Miami's spirit. But they're not some superhuman team, they had big trouble with 8th seed Dallas, could've easily lost that series, and probably would've needed 7 games versus the Thunder if Ibaka had not been injured.


Yup... The Thing was just, the Spurs best is/was much better than the Heat's best... In fact the Spurs best couldn't be matched by anyone in the league... Spurs best blew Teams out by 20+ Points at home, and except for 3 games or so, they won all their games by 15+ Points, right? Another record..

And let's not Forget, if not for that mighty cramp, the series would probably be at 3-2.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's the same Spurs team that very nearly was beaten in round 1 by the 8th seed Dallas Mavericks just a few weeks prior.

They just wanted it more than Miami did, Miami did not want to fight for a chip.

Beyond that I think a few chickens came home to roost for Miami ... for one I don't think LeBron/Wade/Bosh ever really played that great together. Their games were not a good fit and LeBron isn't the type of leader to get his teams to fit into his game philosophy.

Jordan was willing to accept a very different style of offence in the triangle, taking fewer shots, and letting Pippen taking over more of the ball handling because it's what was best for the team. LeBron expects everyone to play his style of game, I saw zero inclination on his part to adapt his game for the betterment of Bosh/Wade at all. He basically wanted to play the exact same way he did in Cleveland.

It's not a coincidence I think that when Lebron teams fold in the post-season, it tends to be a spectacular collapse with not a lot of fight left by the end of it. Dallas looked like the greatest team ever assembled by the end of the 2011 Finals when they were whupping Miami too. Shaq teams did the same thing.
It's kind of a reflection of the lead player IMO.



Ohhhhhhhhh that analogy is such a cop-out :oldlol:

While I like your above post, you seem to get everything wrong here...

When you talk about Teams folding and collapsing, I think about 30 Point losses in last games... Kobe '06, '08, '11... I don't think of LeBron, a guy who was swept once and lost in 5 once, the rest always going to 6 and 7.. Never really getting blown out in any of those game 6's and 7's.


Also his style was dramatically different from the Cleveland one... In Cleveland LeBron averaged 35 ppg in 2009 and 32 ppg in 2010 before the late series meltdown / quit Job (?) vs Celtics... This LeBron is more passive, possibly gets to 30, but during the game does a lot more to get others involved.. Or lets say let them take over more. Which, on this supposedly stacked Team, should have worked.

[knickswoman]

Thats why kobe is better. Lebron lacks the skills to score on elite defenses while kobe can. And the reason why idiots think bran is better than kobe is because of his apg which really can be replaced by other players like pippen or wade but kobe cant be replaced. So whos better is all about whos harder to replace/find not how much stats you have.

[Hoopz2332]

GTFO...lebron could have avg 35 ppg and they still would have lost because

1.Spurs scored at will with a balanced attack

2.Noone outside of LBJ showed up

[Magic 32]

Brilliant analogy and top notch logic... Kobe would beat the Spurs, well, because he's the Spurs killer.

So I just checked his series' against the Spurs because I knew he beasted in 2001 and 2008... but damn, what happened in 1999, 2003 and 2004?

1999: 21 ppg on 45%
2003: 32/5/4 on 43% and 27 fga........ Through first 4 games: 35 ppg on 41% :lol
2004: 26 ppg on 46% and 22 fga

Spurs kilaaaaa

What happend in 1999?

He was 20.

What happend in 2004?

While dealing with Colorado hearings, he did this...

http://s29.postimg.org/l4my68r0n/hgjkgh.png

And if 2003 is the worst he did agsint the best team of the last 15 year?

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[aj1987]

Do you not know how good a prime Duncan is?
Do you know how good prime Wade was?


Unless he's playing with a peak/prime Shaq, he is not winning shit. Not saying that Kobe is a bad player or anything like that. The Spurs were just hot. 53 and 47 (from the 3)? That's just insane. Unless Kobe can guard 3 players at the same time, no.

[Hoopz2332]

Brilliant analogy and top notch logic... Kobe would beat the Spurs, well, because he's the Spurs killer.

So I just checked his series' against the Spurs because I knew he beasted in 2001 and 2008... but damn, what happened in 1999, 2003 and 2004?

1999: 21 ppg on 45%
2003: 32/5/4 on 43% and 27 fga........ Through first 4 games: 35 ppg on 41% :lol
2004: 26 ppg on 46% and 22 fga

Spurs kilaaaaa


:lol

[Magic 32]

:lol

Going for 4 in a row is hard.

Not that Lebron would .....or will ever know about that. :banana:

[dubeta]

kobe needs a minimum 20/10 big man and the GOAT coach to even think about beating the spurs

[ArbitraryWater]

What happend in 1999?

He was 20.

What happend in 2004?

While dealing with Colorado hearings, he did this...

http://s29.postimg.org/l4my68r0n/hgjkgh.png

And if 2003 is the worst he did agsint the best team of the last 15 year?

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I swear dude have you ever not made an apology for your boy or cut out games for Kobe from a series? My gosh... Don't you feel retarded doing that every time? I mean every single time?

LeBron was shit against the '08 Celtics... LeBron choked in 2011...

See, not that hard being real about your favorite player.. Try it.