Lebron demands talent everywhere

[UK2K]

Drafted by Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesn't have enough talent, leaves.

Goes to Miami. Wins two championships but then realizes that Miami's roster is old and losing talent each season. Leaves.

Arrives in Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesnt have enough talent and immediately demands the FO trade for Love.

Does this make him weak? Or competitive? Part of me sees it as him being a giant vag but another part of me can't blame him because he will always and forever be judged on the number of rings he wears.

[Cocaine80s]

isnt that exactly what your boy Dwight did?

[russwest0]

Drafted by Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesn't have enough talent, leaves.

Goes to Miami. Wins two championships but then realizes that Miami's roster is old and losing talent each season. Leaves.

Arrives in Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesnt have enough talent and immediately demands the FO trade for Love.

Does this make him weak? Or competitive? Part of me sees it as him being a giant vag but another part of me can't blame him because he will always and forever be judged on the number of rings he wears.


dude came to cle and straight up admitted that he can't win it all even with three first overall picks and two additional top 5 picks :lol :lol :lol :lol

[played0ut]

The collusion circa 2010 is one thing.

But nothing wrong with wanting Love. All great players have tried to influence who their teammates would be.

[LBJ 23]

Negged. You forgot to mention his first 7 years with Cavs when he didn't even once complain about his teammates nor did he demand anything roster related unlike other superstars.

[VIP2000]

dude came to cle and straight up admitted that he can't win it all even with three first overall picks and two additional top 5 picks :lol :lol :lol :lol

But have any of those guys ever sniffed the playoffs?

[LBJFTW]

Negged. You forgot to mention his first 7 years with Cavs when he didn't even once complain about his teammates nor did he demand anything roster related unlike other superstars.

Not publically, but that's only because he has a good PR manager.

[UK2K]

Negged. You forgot to mention his first 7 years with Cavs when he didn't even once complain about his teammates nor did he demand anything roster related unlike other superstars.
Who did Durant demand?

[VengefulAngel]

Who did Durant demand?


Why are you comparing Durant to Lebron, Durant has 1 year where he's been playing at a level near Lebron, stop comparing these two players.

Lets use PER as our metric, if you disagree with this metric then we'll go to RAPM.

Lebron ( Top 5 seasons)
2008-2009 31.7
2012-2013 31.6
2009-2010 31.1
2011-2012 30.7
2013-2014 29.3

(Noted Lebron has an advantage in the fact that he has played more years)

Durant ( Top 4)

2013-2014 29.8
2012-2013 28.3
2x 2009-2010/2011-2012 26.2

Playoff PER:

27.72 (Average) - LBJ
24.4 (Average) - Durant

Lebron has accumulated more OWS and DWS in a 7 year span than Durant, Lebron has more accolades in the same time span and didn't have the supporting cast that Durant has in the first 7 years in the NBA.

[LBJ 23]

Who did Durant demand?

Are you just playing stupid or what?

At one point Durant had Westbrook (top 5 PG, arguably top3), Harden (best 6th man in the league) and Ibaka (best shotblocker in the league). Compare that to Lebron's roster in his first 7 years and then tell me what more should Durant demand?

[raprap]

Some posters here are just :lol :facepalm

[VengefulAngel]

Some posters here are just :lol :facepalm

^^ :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's almost as if good players want to play with other good players :eek:

[raprap]

It's almost as if good players want to play with other good players :eek:
:eek: :eek:

[bagelred]

Drafted by Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesn't have enough talent, leaves.

Goes to Miami. Wins two championships but then realizes that Miami's roster is old and losing talent each season. Leaves.

Arrives in Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesnt have enough talent and immediately demands the FO trade for Love.

Does this make him weak? Or competitive? Part of me sees it as him being a giant vag but another part of me can't blame him because he will always and forever be judged on the number of rings he wears.

The guy is weak. Stay in one place and build something there...fight thru adversity.

He'll never be like Melo who is sticking out in New York and will fight thru the tough times, and build a winner from ground up. How amazing is Melo, right?
It's so great to see Melo get praise he deserves for not jumping ship at first opportunity.

Lebron? Not so much....

[dubeta]

Kobe really helped change the nba landscape with the introduction of the 'collusion era' in 2004 where he stacked the deck in his favor (shaq, Malone, Payton)

Then the celtics did it in 2008


After dan gilbert ran lebron out of Cleveland lebron had no choice but to join bosh's collusion to the heat

No biggie

[Hoopz2332]

Drafted by Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesn't have enough talent, leaves.

Goes to Miami. Wins two championships but then realizes that Miami's roster is old and losing talent each season. Leaves.

Arrives in Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesnt have enough talent and immediately demands the FO trade for Love.

Does this make him weak? Or competitive? Part of me sees it as him being a giant vag but another part of me can't blame him because he will always and forever be judged on the number of rings he wears.


Most championship teams are made up of atleast 2 Hall of fame level players. Lebron never played with an eliteplayer in their prime in his first stint with the cavs. I have no prob with him wanting talent around him:confusedshrug: Durant has had Westbrokk by his side for almost his entire career and he happens to be better than anyone lebron has ever played with outside of wade.

[Magic 32]

Kobe really helped change the nba landscape with the introduction of the 'collusion era' in 2004 where he stacked the deck in his favor (shaq, Malone, Payton)

Then the celtics did it in 2008

After dan gilbert ran lebron out of Cleveland lebron had no choice but to join bosh's collusion to the heat

No biggie

Old players joining contender = long and wonderful tradition

2010-2014 Heat = Hideous and despicable rigging of the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prsuJCpXOZ4&t=0m58s

A travesty!!!!

[longtime lurker]

LeBron says it winning a championship in Cleveland won't be easy and will take time. He then immediately wants moves to make the Cavs a championship team.

[UK2K]

Most championship teams are made up of atleast 2 Hall of fame level players. Lebron never played with an eliteplayer in their prime in his first stint with the cavs. I have no prob with him wanting talent around him:confusedshrug: Durant has had Westbrokk by his side for almost his entire career and he happens to be better than anyone lebron has ever played with outside of wade.
I actually don't mind the first move from Lebron. Bailing on Miami was a puss move but I get wanting to go home, but then getting there and playing GM takes it to a whole new level.

[aj1987]

Old players joining contender = long and wonderful tradition

2010-2014 Heat = Hideous and despicable rigging of the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prsuJCpXOZ4&t=0m58s

A travesty!!!!
If only LeBron had a top 7 GOAT in him Prime/Peak, since his first day in the league, on his team.

[russwest0]

If only LeBron had a top 7 GOAT in him Prime/Peak, since his first day in the league, on his team.

http://pulseteamwear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lEbRON-CHOKE-copy.jpg

[Dengness9]

Kobe really helped change the nba landscape with the introduction of the 'collusion era' in 2004 where he stacked the deck in his favor (shaq, Malone, Payton)

Then the celtics did it in 2008


After dan gilbert ran lebron out of Cleveland lebron had no choice but to join bosh's collusion to the heat

No biggie

The Celtics were all much older when they came together as oppose to Miami.

You would say some beta shit like that though.

[aj1987]

http://i.imgur.com/MYiJnnn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BhnreGS.gif

[dubeta]

The Celtics were all much older when they came together as oppose to Miami.

You would say some beta shit like that though.
Wade was 28 pierce was 30 big difference

[Magic 32]

If only LeBron had a top 7 GOAT in him Prime/Peak, since his first day in the league, on his team.

Yes, we all know who much credit you get for that.

[choppermagic]

Honestly, i can accept that the media is also to blame. The sheer hype and pressure they put on Lebron makes him basically demand as many All Star players to play along side him. I am guessing that before in the 80s and 90s, a player would be given a little more room to get to his prime of 28-29 and grow with a team before the huge championship pressure hits. Since Lebron came into the league, the question has been "how can X team get enough help to get Lebron the title"? Lebron has pretty much picked up on that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade was 28 pierce was 30 big difference

That is a huge difference actually. Look how much Wade fell off from 28/29 to 30/31

[Dengness9]

Wade was 28 pierce was 30 big difference


How old was KG and Ray Allen?

See how you just dodged the shit outta it. Nice try.

[Dengness9]

http://i.imgur.com/MYiJnnn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BhnreGS.gif


Lebron hadn't won a chip by that age either.

Bosh cried like a bitch in 2011 post that too.

[Dengness9]

Honestly, i can accept that the media is also to blame. The sheer hype and pressure they put on Lebron makes him basically demand as many All Star players to play along side him. I am guessing that before in the 80s and 90s, a player would be given a little more room to get to his prime of 28-29 and grow with a team before the huge championship pressure hits. Since Lebron came into the league, the question has been "how can X team get enough help to get Lebron the title"? Lebron has pretty much picked up on that.


You wrote all that to not bring up the fact that Lebron foolishly muttered he was winning 8 chips?

Not 1 Not 2 Not 3.....etc fueled this shit, and it came out his ass which is also his mouth.:D

[aj1987]

Lebron hadn't won a chip by that age either.

Bosh cried like a bitch in 2011 post that too.
LeBron didn't win because he didn't have a top 3 PG, an elite defensive PF and SG, and the 6th MOY. You think Cleveland LeBron wouldn't have won with that team?

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol: at all the collusion talk. Even with the "collusion" the Heat were not more talented than the Thunder or Clippers. The Heat had a case in 2011 based on their top 3--but they had nothing beyond that. They were reminiscent of the "2 deep" Lakers of the early 2000's in 11'. Beyond 2011, the Heat were never the most stacked team in their era let alone historically stacked. Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka or even Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka>LeBron/2012-2014 Wade/2012-2014 Bosh. The Clippers with Paul/Griffin/Jordan/Crawford/Reddick also have more talent--and unlike OKC or MIA have a good coach. OKC arguably has the second and third best players in the league and the LAC arguably have the third and fourth best--plus more beyond their top 2 than the Heat ever had. You also have other teams like the Rockets and Portland with multiple franchise players.

The Heat won 2 rings in 4 years and had the best record in their conference once. Yet people act as if some unbeatable juggernaut was formed. That team was in the Finals 4 years in a row. They replaced LeBron with an all-star SF and shored up their bench. So if they were stacked during the "collusion" era surely they will remain championship contenders? Right? :hammerhead:

LeBron does indeed want to have the best roster around him. Who doesn't, though?

[dannywpt]

#RecruitForGreatness

[Stringer Bell]

It's almost as if good players want to play with other good players :eek:

Yes. So shocking!

[Dengness9]

LeBron didn't win because he didn't have a top 3 PG, an elite defensive PF and SG, and the 6th MOY. You think Cleveland LeBron wouldn't have won with that team?

Nope.

[FLDFSU]

Weren't you the same people that criticized him for not recruiting players while in Clev the first time around?

What's the problem?

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm glad that no other teams like the Bulls or the Warriors showed any interest in Kevin Love. They are content with what they have and don't want to improve :rockon: I hope teams like the Bucks have balls and stick with what they have instead of trying to get better players to join

[FLDFSU]

:oldlol: at all the collusion talk. Even with the "collusion" the Heat were not more talented than the Thunder or Clippers. The Heat had a case in 2011 based on their top 3--but they had nothing beyond that. They were reminiscent of the "2 deep" Lakers of the early 2000's in 11'. Beyond 2011, the Heat were never the most stacked team in their era let alone historically stacked. Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka or even Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka>LeBron/2012-2014 Wade/2012-2014 Bosh. The Clippers with Paul/Griffin/Jordan/Crawford/Reddick also have more talent--and unlike OKC or MIA have a good coach. OKC arguably has the second and third best players in the league and the LAC arguably have the third and fourth best--plus more beyond their top 2 than the Heat ever had. You also have other teams like the Rockets and Portland with multiple franchise players.

The Heat won 2 rings in 4 years and had the best record in their conference once. Yet people act as if some unbeatable juggernaut was formed. That team was in the Finals 4 years in a row. They replaced LeBron with an all-star SF and shored up their bench. So if they were stacked during the "collusion" era surely they will remain championship contenders? Right? :hammerhead:

LeBron does indeed want to have the best roster around him. Who doesn't, though?

:applause:

[aj1987]

Nope.
Well, then you're an idiot. If LeBron is taking a team to 66 wins and 61 wins with Mo Williams as his 2nd best player, he can sure as hell win a ring with Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden.

[tomtucker]

Drafted by Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesn't have enough talent, leaves.

Goes to Miami. Wins two championships but then realizes that Miami's roster is old and losing talent each season. Leaves.

Arrives in Cleveland. Decides Cleveland doesnt have enough talent and immediately demands the FO trade for Love.

Does this make him weak? Or competitive? Part of me sees it as him being a giant vag but another part of me can't blame him because he will always and forever be judged on the number of rings he wears.

[B]it just makes him a dirty rotten bitch...........that

[edrick]

dude came to cle and straight up admitted that he can't win it all even with three first overall picks and two additional top 5 picks :lol :lol :lol :lol

Those dudes almost made it to the playoffs when Lebron left, almost. Much quality.

[Torious]

OKC arguably has the second and third best players in the league and the LAC arguably have the third and fourth best--plus more beyond their top 2 than the Heat ever had. You also have other teams like the Rockets and Portland with multiple franchise players.

So. Who's the third best player in the league and why does he play for both OKC and LAC? :eek:

[navy]

This is the dumbest thread ive ever seen.

[choppermagic]

You wrote all that to not bring up the fact that Lebron foolishly muttered he was winning 8 chips?

Not 1 Not 2 Not 3.....etc fueled this shit, and it came out his ass which is also his mouth.:D

Ha, you're so right. I was trying to be gracious for once and not put all the blame on Lebron himself, but yeah, he is still a douche.

[Fudge]

And proceeds to say he likes competition. :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

So. Who's the third best player in the league and why does he play for both OKC and LAC? :eek:


OKC arguably has the second and third best players in the league and the LAC arguably have the third and fourth best--plus more beyond their top 2 than the Heat ever had. You also have other teams like the Rockets and Portland with multiple franchise players.

Both Paul and Westbrook have a case for being #3.

[ILLsmak]

LeBron didn't win because he didn't have a top 3 PG, an elite defensive PF and SG, and the 6th MOY. You think Cleveland LeBron wouldn't have won with that team?

Lol bron could practice his corner standing with Westbrook on his squad. I wonder what he'd do when he realized he would never be the primary ball handler. Prolly go ape. I'm pretty sure no nba player in history is gonna talk or earn the ball out of westbrooks hands.

-Smak

[JT123]

Lol bron could practice his corner standing with Westbrook on his squad. I wonder what he'd do when he realized he would never be the primary ball handler. Prolly go ape. I'm pretty sure no nba player in history is gonna talk or earn the ball out of westbrooks hands.

-Smak
Such a stupid response. :lol You don't lead the league in scoring for multiple years like Durant has if your point guard is unwilling to give up the ball! :hammerhead: Lebron would welcome less ball handling responsibility, which is why he left the Heat as they have no one else who is capable of running the offense.

[UK2K]

Its almost like Lebron doesn't want all the pressure.

He set the bar high in Miami and while I wouldn't call 2 titles a failure... It was according to Lebrons own words.

Cleveland should just fire the GM and let Lebron do it. He's making the moves anyway.

[Jlamb47]

Lebron = Recruiting king

[JT123]

Its almost like Lebron doesn't want all the pressure.

He set the bar high in Miami and while I wouldn't call 2 titles a failure... It was according to Lebrons own words.

Cleveland should just fire the GM and let Lebron do it. He's making the moves anyway.
You act like that is a bad thing. :lol Tell me what Cleveland's management has done since he left that has been so great? Draft an overrated point guard who can't even make the playoffs in a super weak conference. Hire Mike Brown back on. :facepalm Draft the biggest bust in NBA history.
Excuse Lebron for wanting the Cavs to actually have some success. :rolleyes:

[Nash]

He should not demand talent? Cavs/Miami front office don't demand talent?