USA cut wall,Beal, and Millsap

[Jlamb47]

USA cut Wall,Beal,and Millsap off the roster and now 16 players left and 4 more to cut

Lillard,Irving made it further then Wall witch is suprising
Who do yal think will make the cut?

[kshutts1]

I don't understand the cut of Wall and Millsap.

The article that I read, on ESPN, said that Rose is a "shoo-in". I don't understand why a player that has not been healthy for two straight years would be a shoo-in over one of the best passing PGs in the league. IMO, if a PG can't shoot 3's well, he better be a great passer and defender. Neither Rose nor Wall is known for shooting 3s. Wall is the better passer/defender, and thus the better fit, at this stage. So that makes no sense.

Then on to Millsap... bigs in the Olympics need to either hit an outside jumper or protect the paint. Neither Faried or Millsap can protect the paint, but Millsap can hit a jumper. So the choice, again, makes no sense.

I'd like to see explanations, but we all know that will never happen.

Maybe Beal, Wall and Millsap were scared off by George's injury, and asked to be cut?

[Rocketswin2013]

Who is left?

[Jlamb47]

Who is left?

Rose
Curry
Harden
Durant
Davis

Parsons
Hayward
Derozan
Lillard
Irving
Cousins
Drummonds
Plumlee
Thompson
Faried
Koever

[Spaulding]

Already a bigger thread on this. Same topic posted three times.

[Jlamb47]

Already a bigger thread on this. Same topic posted three times.

Then go post on them, i dont live on here so i wouldnt know. Il make a thread whenever i feel like it

[GimmeThat]

I'm surprised about Wall and Beal getting cut.

can't say I understand Coach K's thinking here
but I'm sure he saw something in the lack of their skill set that seemed undesireable

DeRozan's size must have played a part in it
he's probably the guy that helps keep Irving or Lillard on the court.

[GimmeThat]

Then on to Millsap... bigs in the Olympics need to either hit an outside jumper or protect the paint. Neither Faried or Millsap can protect the paint, but Millsap can hit a jumper. So the choice, again, makes no sense.

I'd like to see explanations, but we all know that will never happen.

Maybe Beal, Wall and Millsap were scared off by George's injury, and asked to be cut?

I think the difference is on court production efficiency. And Faried has always been a very good rebounder in my opinion. actually reminds me a little bit of Reggie Evan.

If both were given 12-16 minutes per game, Faried is simply going to have a more defined role over Millsap. And be better at such defined role.

I am doubtful he is enough to keep Korver on the squad though.

But Parsons/Hayward still got something to prove as far as I'm concerned.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm surprised about Wall and Beal getting cut.

can't say I understand Coach K's thinking here
but I'm sure he saw something in the lack of their skill set that seemed undesireable

DeRozan's size must have played a part in it
he's probably the guy that helps keep Irving or Lillard on the court.

DeMar has a pretty impressive scrimmage too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDH9SXudxQ8

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349971

[pegasus]

Why are they cutting them in installments? That's a bit humiliating to be cut first. Just reduce the roster to 12 already.

[Spaulding]

Then go post on them, i dont live on here so i wouldnt know. Il make a thread whenever i feel like it

Nah your just too lazy to look before you post.

Your response to my education makes you look like some teenage Maury chick.

http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/i-do-what-i-want.jpeg

[Finger Roll]

Why are they cutting them in installments? That's a bit humiliating to be cut first. Just reduce the roster to 12 already.

this post is whats wrong with america

[ralph_i_el]

Good. Get Wall and Beal in shape and rested. No excuses for another slow start to the season by Beal

[Levity]

with beals great shooting and his improving ability to put the ball on the floor and attack the basket or make the right pass, i really thought he'd make the team.

[Legends66NBA7]

with beals great shooting and his improving ability to put the ball on the floor and attack the basket or make the right pass, i really thought he'd make the team.

He had a good scrimmage for Team White, but he ultimately gets cut because of his lack of size and versatility. He can only play SG on this team and you have Harden, Thompson, Korver, and DeRozan who are more versatile at the position already as it is.

Also, another reason I believe he got cut is because Wall (bad scrimmage with Team Blue, doesn't fit FIBA style despite being the better defender among his fellow PG's) got cut too, I don't think they were going to keep him either... could cause potential conflict IMO.

I'm assuming the same will happen to Korver (Millsap cut) too since despite his versatility in position, all he will be on the floor for is to shoot... but I'm vouching for Korver too so we'll see what ahppens.

[Jlamb47]

Nah your just too lazy to look before you post.

Your response to my education makes you look like some teenage Maury chick.

http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/i-do-what-i-want.jpeg

Your a f4g
maybe i am too lazy,
people seem to reply in this

[lakerfreak]

Im more surprised about Millsap than the other two.

Millsap is a system player, and can fit in with whoever is playing. As for Wall and Beal, too many good guards. I would keep Lillard as the main guard with Kyrie. D-Rose needs to watch himself at risk of getting hurt again...

[Miles and Miles]

Rose
Curry
Harden
Durant
Davis

Parsons
Hayward
Derozan
Lillard
Irving
Cousins
Drummonds
Plumlee
Thompson
Faried
Koever

OK who are the last 4 to be cut?

[Jlamb47]

OK who are the last 4 to be cut?

There is 16 left and theyl cut the roster to 12 so i guess theyl still be choosing.

[steve]

Im more surprised about Millsap than the other two.

Millsap is a system player, and can fit in with whoever is playing. As for Wall and Beal, too many good guards. I would keep Lillard as the main guard with Kyrie. D-Rose needs to watch himself at risk of getting hurt again...

I'm surprised Millsap was cut too considering he provides more uniqueness to the roster than any of the other bigs. Part of the problem might be what someone mentioned earlier with Beal being Millsap can really only play the 4. But considering the dearth of big men the US has at their disposal and the fact that Millsap is a significantly better shooter (and a tougher defender -- outside of Davis) is a little baffling.

Ultimately what it boiled down to, at least for Wall and Millsap, was the US being pretty dead set against either of them making the roster. They were last minute additions to the player pool and really brought on to fill out the team for scrimmaging purposes. I'd be surprised if the coaching staff didn't have a pretty set roster already in mind (this is somewhat obvious with the way they've been pushing Rose the entire time -- and it was somewhat obvious during the practices Wall was there only to spell Rose).

What I find interesting is how Coach K still hasn't seemed to learn from coaching international ball over the last 8 years. He has a bunch of guards in Curry, Irving, and Lillard (and to a lesser extent Rose) who are not particularly good pick and roll defenders and specifically die on screens set most of the time. Which is something that has plagued the US since the Greece game in '06. It's easy to get around when you have uber-talented and experienced players like Lebron, Paul, Durant, Kobe etc... (and to be honest, their success internationally has more to do with their talent level than actual tactics). This team doesn't necessarily have that benefit and on top of that, they don't have a player on the roster who really fits the traditional playmaker role that has helped them succeed in the past (none of the players are close to on the level of Kidd, Paul, and Williams -- Curry's the closest and while his court vision is fine, he is way too casual with his passes and still a scorer/shooter at heart).

He's also setting this US team up to get muscled to death inside by some of the bigger teams in this tournament. They could get away with playing Durant at the 4 primarily because they also had George potentially working with him, who has the size, strength, and length to at least be a facsimile of a 4 while retaining the skill level of a 3. But with him being injured, who takes that spot? Parsons doesn't have anywhere near the necessary strength and Hayward doesn't have the size (despite noticeably bulking up). They could play Faried there but no international team is going to respect him on offense and he's always had trouble defensively with whoever he's guarding. This problem is only going to be compounded if they cut Cousins for Plumlee, who is going to due what the coaches ask him to do but he's in over his head here and is a step slow with everything he does.

Having Love, Griffin, and Aldridge bowing out before camp certainly made things tougher (as does George's injury) but Coach K and his coaching staff seem to be over thinking things in terms of team building and fit rather than working with players.

[hawksdogsbraves]

OK who are the last 4 to be cut?

My guess:

Hayward
Korver
Drummond
Plumlee

Cutting Cousins would be a huge mistake, they're going to need his size and ability on the post in one of these games.

[Jlamb47]

My guess:

Hayward
Korver
Drummond
Plumlee

Cutting Cousins would be a huge mistake, they're going to need his size and ability on the post in one of these games.
Parsons is better then Korver but i think Korver gets chose for his off ball movement and shooting

[RedBlackAttack]

Why are they cutting them in installments? That's a bit humiliating to be cut first. Just reduce the roster to 12 already.
I don't think there is any humiliation in getting "cut" from Team USA. Just being invited to camp tells you everything you need to know about these guys.

[Thorpesaurous]

I agree with Wall over Rose for a lot of the same reasons that have been mentioned. They're both pretty similar, but Rose has a far more agressive scoring nature, and Wall's playmaking may be more valuable on this roster. And the weaknesses of outside shooting are similar. But it's a close enough call I'm not hugely bothered.
I think Beal deserved to go considering the other options. Even though I really like him.

And I would have definitely kept Milsap at least through this point. I liked the notion of his versatility within the international context. Plus he's a guy used to fitting in on a roster with guys who can use that. His jumper is a legit threat as a stretch four internationally. He can handle and pass to play at the high posts. And this is a team that needs bigs. I know he's undersized, but so is Faried, and on this roster I'da gone Milsap's versatility over Faried's sort of one trick pony energy and rebounding.

[TheTruth11]

I don't understand the cut of Wall and Millsap.

The article that I read, on ESPN, said that Rose is a "shoo-in". I don't understand why a player that has not been healthy for two straight years would be a shoo-in over one of the best passing PGs in the league. IMO, if a PG can't shoot 3's well, he better be a great passer and defender. Neither Rose nor Wall is known for shooting 3s. Wall is the better passer/defender, and thus the better fit, at this stage. So that makes no sense.

Then on to Millsap... bigs in the Olympics need to either hit an outside jumper or protect the paint. Neither Faried or Millsap can protect the paint, but Millsap can hit a jumper. So the choice, again, makes no sense.

I'd like to see explanations, but we all know that will never happen.

Maybe Beal, Wall and Millsap were scared off by George's injury, and asked to be cut?

Wall is on the verge of becoming a great player but at this point in their careers a healthy Rose runs the team better, takes care of the ball better - less turnovers. Also Rose has reportedly been one of the best defenders in camp. Coaches have raved about his defense. Rose's shot has reportedly improved. And when healthy there are very few people are as explosive as Rose - his ability to get to basket and finish will come in handy. He gives the team a nice mix of shooters and guys who can blow by their defender and get to the basket. Plus Rose has played for Team USA before.

Johnny Wall's time will come.