Magic Johnson 1982 FMVP..

[MastaKilla]

Took 3 shots in the deciding game

Was the 5th leading scorer in the series

Led the team in turnovers

Did not lead the team in assist.

Last 2 games of the series scored a combined 23 points.

3 hall of famers beside him.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Aside from the thread who actually does vote for FMVPs anyways? Never found out

[Hey Yo]

Looks like Jammal Wilkes should have won it.

That's 2 FMVP's Tragic shouldn't have won.

[Pointguard]

Took 3 shots in the deciding game

Was the 5th leading scorer in the series

Led the team in turnovers

Did not lead the team in assist.

Last 2 games of the series scored a combined 23 points.

3 hall of famers beside him.
You are going to die when you read Bill Russell's career.

What is the counter point - Dr J??? You have to win three games or break records to be on the losing side. It wasn't close. And you never hear this year as one the robbed MVP years. If you only look at points it means you don't understand the rest of the game. Nobody would have taken Toney over Magic and Toney had gaudy stats in that final.

In the final game Magic had 13/13/13.

[played0ut]

Heh. It's called leadership and intangibles, buddy. Controlling the pace of the game. Study the game a bit more over raw numbers then come back.


Anyway, his Finals Stats:

16/10/8/2.5 steals on 53% FG, .85%FT

Looks ok to me.

[Psileas]

Took 3 shots in the deciding game

Was the 5th leading scorer in the series

Led the team in turnovers

Did not lead the team in assist.

Last 2 games of the series scored a combined 23 points.

3 hall of famers beside him.

Nixon:
-Had 3-14 FG and 4-18 FG nights.
-Worst defender among starters
-3rd leading scorer
-Not a rebounder

Wilkes:
-Only 2.8 apg
-4th rebounder of the team
-43.5% FG
-Not a single blocked shot, playing SF

Kareem:
-Only 18.0 ppg
-Only 7.7 rpg
-Had a miserable 6 point game
-Shot worse than Magic from the field (and obviously the FT line, too)

McAdoo:
-Only 5.0 rpg
-0.8 assists, lol
-Non factor defensively

All of the above:
-Not the leader or the pace-maker Magic was.

[played0ut]

You are going to die when you read Bill Russell's career.

What is the counter point - Dr J??? You have to win three games or break records to be on the losing side. It wasn't close. And you never hear this year as one the robbed MVP years. If you only look at points it means you don't understand the rest of the game. Nobody would have taken Toney over Magic and Toney had gaudy stats in that final.

In the final game Magic had 13/13/13.

that was me in your cp btw

[Hey Yo]

Heh. It's called leadership and intangibles, buddy. Controlling the pace of the game. Study the game a bit more over raw numbers then come back.


Anyway, his Finals Stats:

16/10/8/2.5 steals on 53% FG, .85%FT

Looks ok to me.
His 53% looks good, but he avg. just under 9FGA for the seven game series. While avg. about 44mpg.

[Pointguard]

that was me in your cp btw
CP???
My central processor??? You hacked me? Sorry, I hung out with the IT unit today.

[MastaKilla]

He led his team in turnovers while not even leading them in assist.

What other point guard could get away with that and still win a finals series?

If a Lebron won a finals series while being the 5th leading scorer while leading the team in turnovers he would never hear the end of it.

[played0ut]

His 53% looks good, but he avg. just under 9FGA for the seven game series. While avg. about 44mpg.

Yes, but consider the context. He's the point guard and facilitates the offense. His job is to make it easier for his teammates to score, not score himself. Look at what he facilitated:

LAKERS FINALS STATS; Starting 5 and 6th man

Jamaal Wilks: 19.7 / 5.8 / 2.8
Kareem: 18.0 / 7.7 / 3.8
Norm Nixon: 17.7 / 3.7 / 10.0
Bob McAdoo: 16.3 / 5.0 / 0.8
Magic Johnson: 16.2 / 10.8 / 8.0
Michael Cooper: 13.3 / 4.7 / 3.7


Lol damn. He did a pretty fcking good job to me.






Thoughts?




CP???
My central processor??? You hacked me? Sorry, I hung out with the IT unit today.

userCP. I forgot this forum doesn't show people who repped/negged them

[LAZERUSS]

http://www.si.com/vault/1982/06/14/624618/the-lakers-danced-up-a-storm

[QUOTE]The Lakers so overwhelmed the 76ers in Games 3 and 4 that of the 48 minutes played in each, Los Angeles led by 10 points or more for 35:48 on Tuesday and 33:44 on Thursday. During one remarkable stretch of more than 20 minutes in Game 4

[Hey Yo]

Yes, but consider the context. He's the point guard and facilitates the offense. His job is to make it easier for his teammates to score, not score himself. Look at what he facilitated:

LAKERS FINALS STATS; Starting 5 and 6th man

Jamaal Wilks: 19.7 / 5.8 / 2.8
Kareem: 18.0 / 7.7 / 3.8
Norm Nixon: 17.7 / 3.7 / 10.0
Bob McAdoo: 16.3 / 5.0 / 0.8
Magic Johnson: 16.2 / 10.8 / 8.0
Michael Cooper: 13.3 / 4.7 / 3.7


Lol damn. He did a pretty fcking good job to me.
The context is..Jamaal should have easily won FMVP.

If you avg less than 9 FGA per game, in a 7 game series, while avg about 44MPG and looked at as a superstar...... then you're not confident with your shot. You're relying on the GREAT talent around you to do the scoring for ya.

[LAZERUSS]

The context is..Jamaal should have easily won FMVP.

If you avg less than 9 FGA per game, in a 7 game series, while avg about 44MPG and looked at as a superstar...... then you're not confident with your shot. You're relying on the GREAT talent around you to do the scoring for ya.

Magic shot .533 from the field while Wilkes shot .435.
Magic had a TS% of .610 while Wilkes was at .465.

Next...

[Hey Yo]

Magic shot .533 from the field while Wilkes shot .435.
Magic had a TS% of .610 while Wilkes was at .465.

Next...
Read the thread....Magic took less than 9FGA per game for a 7 game series.

3FGA in game 7 of the Finals. People say James protects his FG %

[LAZERUSS]

Magic easily led both teams in rebounding in that series, as well. He averaged 10.8 rpg, while Philly's best rebounder was Dr. J, at 8.2 rpg. Kareem was LA's second best rebounder, at 7.7 rpg.

H2H with Erving in the last four games of that series, Magic outrebounded Dr. J by a 40-26 margin.

And of course, a Magic defensive rebound was almost always either a fast-break basket, or even a coast-to-coast layup.

[MastaKilla]

Yes, but consider the context. He's the point guard and facilitates the offense. His job is to make it easier for his teammates to score, not score himself. Look at what he facilitated:

LAKERS FINALS STATS; Starting 5 and 6th man

Jamaal Wilks: 19.7 / 5.8 / 2.8
Kareem: 18.0 / 7.7 / 3.8
Norm Nixon: 17.7 / 3.7 / 10.0
Bob McAdoo: 16.3 / 5.0 / 0.8
Magic Johnson: 16.2 / 10.8 / 8.0
Michael Cooper: 13.3 / 4.7 / 3.7


Lol damn. He did a pretty fcking good job to me.






Thoughts?





userCP. I forgot this forum doesn't show people who repped/negged them

Why are you giving all the credit to magic for facilitating the offense?

He didnt lead the team in assist and yet still led the team in turnovers.

[Hey Yo]

Magic easily led both teams in rebounding in that series, as well. He averaged 10.8 rpg, while Philly's best rebounder was Dr. J, at 8.2 rpg. Kareem was LA's second best rebounder, at 7.7 rpg.

H2H with Erving in the last four games of that series, Magic outrebounded Dr. J by a 40-26 margin.

And of course, a Magic defensive rebound was almost always either a fast-break basket, or even a coast-to-coast layup.
9FGA avg. for a 7 game series. Led the team in turnovers for the series

FMVP????

[LAZERUSS]

Why are you giving all the credit to magic for facilitating the offense?

He didnt lead the team in assist and yet still led the team in turnovers.

Actually it was quite a remarkable series. Magic averaged 16-11-8 as a part-time PG. Had he been running the offense full-time, he would have easily put up a triple-double series.

[LAZERUSS]

9FGA avg. for a 7 game series. Led the team in turnovers for the series

FMVP????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you think that Magic couldn't have averaged more ppg in that Finals?

He SHELLED essentially the same Sixer roster in the clinching game six win of the '80 Finals (and with KAJ resting at home), with a 42-15-7 game on 14-23 FG/FGA, and 14-14 FT/FTA. In THAT series all he did was average 22-11-9 and on a .573 FG% and a .632 TS%.

All from ROOKIE Magic...

[Hey Yo]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you think that Magic couldn't have averaged more ppg in that Finals?

He SHELLED essentially the same Sixer roster in the clinching game six win of the '80 Finals (and with KAJ resting at home), with a 42-15-7 game on 14-23 FG/FGA, and 14-14 FT/FTA. In THAT series all he did was average 22-11-9 and on a .573 FG% and a .632 TS%.

All from ROOKIE Magic...
So why didnt he do that in the 1982 series and put it away early, w/o having to face Moses???

[LAZERUSS]

So why didnt he do that in the 1982 series and put it away early, w/o having to face Moses???

You will have to ask Pat Riley. Magic did whatever was asked of him.

But we KNOW that he DOMINATED BOTH clinching game Six's in '80 and '82. One with 42 points on 23 FGA, and the other with 13 points on 3 FGAs.

[Hey Yo]

You will have to ask Pat Riley. Magic did whatever was asked of him.

But we KNOW that he DOMINATED BOTH clinching game Six's in '80 and '82. One with 42 points on 23 FGA, and the other with 13 points on 3 FGAs.
LOL @ keep going back to 1980.

Doesnt change the fact he avg only 9FGA in a 7 game series while avg about 44MPG in 1982.

Why keep bringing up 1980 when KAJ was the real FMVP?

[Psileas]

9FGA avg. for a 7 game series. Led the team in turnovers for the series

FMVP????

It's 10 FGA for a 6 game series. The only 2 teammates of his who took way more FG's shot way worse, so Magic was his team's most efficient scorer any way you put it. And LOL at projecting LeBron's mentality into Magic, as if Magic cared to protect his FG%'s. The same Magic who would heave 30+ footers in any good end of quarter/half/game chance. Magic would have no problem to take either 2 or 20 shots if he deemed it's the right thing in order to get the win.

And he led the Finals in rebounding, over Kareem, McAdoo, Dawkins, Erving (whom he kept away from the boards).
And in steals.
And was 2nd in FT%.
And ran the Sixers to death.

But, oh, wait, he averaged 2 apg less than Nixon and took 42 less shots to make only 13 less. Blatant MVP conspiracy here. :facepalm :oldlol:

[Pointguard]

9FGA avg. for a 7 game series. Led the team in turnovers for the series

FMVP????

You are going by stats you see and not the game itself. Magic's turnovers are usually passes gone off of unprepared recipients (like off of somebody's head who should have had his hands up) or a player not continuing toward the basket. You really don't know what you are passing judgement on. And then with the FGA you are ignoring the fact of how well they were spread out.

[finchyyy]

Magic deserved this FMVP more than the one he got in he's rookie year.

[imnew09]

Overrated af. kobe > magic

[jlip]

"He [Magic] is the only player who can take three shots and still dominate a game."
---Dr. J

[Genaro]

So much revisionist history through numbers on ISH. Try watching the fking games. You may find out why Magic was MVP and maybe learn a little bit about basketball in the process.

[wakencdukest]

So much revisionist history through numbers on ISH. Try watching the fking games. You may find out why Magic was MVP and maybe learn a little bit about basketball in the process.



Exactly. A couple of guys who didn't see any of the games, analyzing box scores thinking they know something.