Best Post Player : "Kobe or Lebron" ?

[Tycriss]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Evbd_a6cAV0/0.jpg

or

http://thebrandonkshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/lebron.jpg

[Lebronxrings]

the guy who didn't shoot 6/24

[knickswoman]

ill take the guy who has 5 rings

[raprap]

Lebron.

[navy]

Kobe pre 2012 or 2013 Lebron. After that it's probably a toss up.

[GODbe]

POSTbe, and it's not close.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3167276/kobe-fadeaway-on-lebron-o.gif
http://i.minus.com/ibnX1F0TfhfYf7.gif

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe makes post plays look fluid an sexy.

bran looks like a retarded monkey throwing turds at glass with no coordination

[Meticode]

Kobe is the all-time better right now in-my-opinion, but I think LeBron will surpass Kobe by the end of his career and has a legit shot a cracking the top 5 if he can win a ring in Cleveland and maybe get one more MVP.

[To4]

Is this even a serious question?? answer is KOBE

[Beatlezz]

http://minus.com/is0ppYV4h9btB.gif

[lakerfreak]

Post play definitely goes to Kobe on this one.

[GODbe]

http://minus.com/is0ppYV4h9btB.gif
:facepalm By far the most awkward post player in the NBA. This comparison is a disgrace to Kobe.

[jayfan]

Kobe. Easy.

Lebron doesn't even play in the post. Certainly doesn't do it well. It's a shame, really. He could probably dominate the post if he dedicated himself to it.







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[JellyBean]

Kobe.

[Inactive]

Lebron has improved his post game, but Kobe's is still better imo.

Lebron's post game still doesn't look as polished as it could be, but he's so good at getting deep position that he doesn't necessarily need great moves to get high percentage shots.

[Kvnzhangyay]

:facepalm By far the most awkward post player in the NBA. This comparison is a disgrace to Kobe.

Well then explain why Lebron shot 55.9% from the post?

Sure I would agree Kobe is a better, smoother player in the post, but cmon brah the comparison is a disgrace to Kobe? :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Relative to position or just overall? LeBron is obviously better overall...if he was posting up the same players Kobe is (typically guards) he would have more success than Kobe...

[avonbarksdale]

kobe has waaay more and way better moves

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll take the one who's actually the best statistical / most effective post-player in the nba... hint: It's not a rapist


BUT KOBE HAS BETTER LOOKING MOVES DOEEEE!!!!

[MastaKilla]

Kobe is the all-time better right now in-my-opinion, but I think LeBron will surpass Kobe by the end of his career and has a legit shot a cracking the top 5 if he can win a ring in Cleveland and maybe get one more MVP.

Da fuq does this have to do with the OPs question??

[raprap]

I'll take the one who's actually the best statistical / most effective post-player in the nba... hint: It's not a rapist


BUT KOBE HAS BETTER LOOKING MOVES DOEEEE!!!!
I swear kobe ******gers have never played a single bball game in their lives. Its all about aesthetics for them. :hammerhead:

[MastaKilla]

Relative to position or just overall? LeBron is obviously better overall...if he was posting up the same players Kobe is (typically guards) he would have more success than Kobe...

And if Dwight was posting up the same players as Kobe he would have more success.

And if Kobe was posting up the same players as andre miller he would have more succes.

Great logic.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And if Dwight was posting up the same players as Kobe he would have more success.

And if Kobe was posting up the same players as andre miller he would have more succes.

Great logic.

Yes...that's true..

So Dwight is a better post player than Kobe if we're just isolating that skill...

Of course nobody would put a guard on dwight because he'd kill em in the post the same way nobody would put a center to defend kobe because he'd just iso and blow-by him...which has nothing to do with post-up ability

so if we're just isolating one skill: Post-up ability then:
Dwight > Lebron > Kobe

And honestly, relative to position im not even sure Kobe is better...he just has a much prettier game...It's like Saying Mchale is better in the post than Shaq...sure he has a lot more moves but in terms of overall effectiveness? I'm not sure he's actually better.

[MastaKilla]

Yes...that's true..

So Dwight is a better post player than Kobe if we're just isolating that skill...

Of course nobody would put a guard on dwight because he'd kill em in the post the same way nobody would put a center to defend kobe because he'd just iso and blow-by him...which has nothing to do with post-up ability

so if we're just isolating one skill: Post-up ability then:
Dwight > Lebron > Kobe


What are you even trying to say? That Dwight is more skilled in the post than Kobe because Dwight would do well if posting up the same guys kobe does

Is your IQ above 80, honest question.

Because that's the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What are you even trying to say? That Dwight is more skilled in the post than Kobe because Dwight would do well if posting up the same guys kobe does

Is your IQ above 80, honest question.

Because that's the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life.

Nowhere did i say "more skilled"....Dwight IS BETTER in the post than Kobe...no doubt

And the irony of you trying to insult my intelligence when you haven't even made a single argument against my point...

It's like saying who's a better ball handler Blake Griffin or [insert any average PG here]..well the answer is obviously the PG but if you're doing it relative to size/position then Blake is the answer..

[MastaKilla]

Last time Kobe was healthy he led the league in post up fg%

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[MastaKilla]

Nowhere did i say "more skilled"....Dwight IS BETTER in the post than Kobe...no doubt


Okay

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMm c


:roll: :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Okay

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMm c


:roll: :roll:
That doesn't refute my point at all...Kobe is being guarded by guards in the post Dwight is being guarded by centers..

[MastaKilla]

That doesn't refute my point at all...Kobe is being guarded by guards in the post Dwight is being guarded by centers..


And?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:rolleyes:
excellent response

[dyna]

Better question Kobe or Wade?.

[Chrono90]

Kobe because of footwork.

Lebron will get you in the open with those fast break points and he's a great player cause he also gets assists and rebounds.

But when you compare Kobe and Lebron for their offensive talent alone, it's Kobe hands down.

[20Four]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Evbd_a6cAV0/0.jpg

or

http://thebrandonkshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/lebron.jpg
Are you fvcking stupid? Is this thread worthy?

[dubeta]

considering kobe falls in love with that 37-38% fadeaway shot i'll live with that

i'd be more scared of bron posting me up than kobe

[20Four]

considering kobe falls in love with that 37-38% fadeaway shot i'll live with that

i'd be more scared of bron posting me up than kobe
lol you are an idiot kill yourself

[christian1923]

Kobe easy

[stalkerforlife]

Is this a joke?

lol

[Lebronxrings]

lol you are an idiot kill yourself
says the guy who probably thinks kobe 37% fade-away is better then lebrons post ups.

[Just2McFly]

If you are going by aesthetics, you would say Kobe.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Relative to position or just overall? LeBron is obviously better overall...if he was posting up the same players Kobe is (typically guards) he would have more success than Kobe...
if early boykins was 20 feet tall hed be GOAT


canadians :facepalm

[dubeta]

I've realized that these kobe stans have a deep down sexual attraction to their idol

Whenever they compare kobe in comparisons, they talk about the "eye test", the aesthetics of the footwork, the jumpshot, all looks. They all forget about actual effectiveness (fg%, PER, win shares)

Heck when people talk about lebron's physique they talk about how effective it is for basketball, for kobe stans they talk about kobes physique like they're actually attracted to it

All these facts make me conclude that kobe stans are just closet fgts

[RoundMoundOfReb]

if early boykins was 20 feet tall hed be GOAT


canadians :facepalm

That isn't close to what i'm saying at all....if anything that would be the argument for saying Kobe is better than Dwight at posting up...that if he were taller he'd score more on the same defenders...

****ing moron

[Beastmode88]

the guy who didn't shoot 6/24

I'd pick the guy who went 5/7 not 2/5.

[Dragic4Life]

I'll take Lebron James.

[Beastmode88]

I've realized that these kobe stans have a deep down sexual attraction to their idol

Whenever they compare kobe in comparisons, they talk about the "eye test", the aesthetics of the footwork, the jumpshot, all looks. They all forget about actual effectiveness (fg%, PER, win shares)

Heck when people talk about lebron's physique they talk about how effective it is for basketball, for kobe stans they talk about kobes physique like they're actually attracted to it

All these facts make me conclude that kobe stans are just closet fgts

How would you characterize lebron stan's then? Delusional? Bipolar? Mentally challenged? Please explain this. :facepalm

http://i.imgur.com/Fnl5qw8.png

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Heavincent]

Kobe is probably the best post player in the entire league.

[Dragic4Life]

Kobe is probably the best post player in the entire league.
:facepalm

[MastaKilla]

:facepalm

Kobe had the most points per post up in the entre league the last year he was healthy. Also shot the highest percentage. He was the best post player in 2013

[Dragic4Life]

Kobe had the most points per post up in the entre league the last year he was healthy. Also shot the highest percentage. He was the best post player in 2013
No

[MastaKilla]

No

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMm c

Yes.

[played0ut]

Kobe is more skilled with MUCH better footwork.

Lebron could be unstoppable in the post, but he doesn't take full advantage of his size all the time. I don't know why.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif

http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/12/120112103340368103.gif



Having great post moves could make you a scoring threat and could help your team get the W. You need a great footwork and coordination to be a great post player. It's thing beauty when executed properly. Aesthetically pleasing.

Let's take a look at this sample gifs.



Having a great great post move could bail you out of pressure situations.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-16-2014/vqB52c.gif

Having a great post move could help your team win championship against a stacked team.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-16-2014/JNUcyv.gif

There are many all time great players and not so all time great players who utilized post moves effectively. Guys like Kareem, Duncan, Russell, KG, McHale and many others are masters of this art.

Without post moves and poor foot work, you are limited to jumpshots and drives which limits your scoring capabilities. You're gonna be easier to defend.

Let's take a look and pick a random NBA player who lacks post move. For example LeBron James.

He tried to immitate Kobe's move, but with lack of foot work and poor coordination, he gets called for travelling.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-16-2014/Mvmfhg.gif

His stiffness makes him easier to defend

http://minus.com/is0ppYV4h9btB.gif

Lacking post moves will be harder for you to score on close game situations.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-16-2014/CvjMaf.gif

That's all folks, let's dedicate this thread to the Art of Post Moves. :cheers:

[played0ut]

Also that quote is a bit misleading. Lebron's gotten much better in the post. But he still doesn't fully take advantage of it.


His unique edge is that it's ALWAYS a constant mismatch for him. He can post on virtually ANY guard and blow by ANY big. He should abuse the hell out of it. :confusedshrug:

[played0ut]

Who is this btw?

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/123/f/1/jimmyking1964_by_dantheman9758-d4ygg1c.gif

[bballnoob1192]

lebron is great in the post. I'm pretty sure there are stats to back this up somewhere, but kobe is just way more fluid and better looking even if the stats don't hold up.

[played0ut]

lebron is great in the post. I'm pretty sure there are stats to back this up somewhere, but kobe is just way more fluid and better looking even if the stats don't hold up.

.... uh


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMm c

Yes.

[sportjames23]

I'd pick the guy who went 5/7 not 2/5.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Kobe's post game is generally tidier, however LeBron's is more efficient as he can take advantage of mismatches more effectively.
I'd take LeBron personally, but he still could improve a lot.

[no pun intended]

Easily Kobe.

The reason Kobe's post game is more fluid is that when he posts up, he does it with a gameplan in mind. He already knows what moves he will execute from start to finish. However, LeBron has the body and skillset to dominate in the post, yet he doesn't use it to his advantage much for reasons unknown. I personally thought he should've posted up more often during the finals last year, as he did versus the Nets where he destroyed them from down low. But then again, Leonard and Diaw's defense against him in the post probably deterred him from continuing to be aggressive there. Therefore, whenever LeBron does post up, he does it with unusual hesitance, which fazes him from executing fluidly.

[L.A. Jazz]

:facepalm By far the most awkward post player in the NBA. This comparison is a disgrace to Kobe.
I would say it's Blake Griffin not Lebron.

For the OP question you have to go with Kobe.

[played0ut]

I would say it's Blake Griffin not Lebron.

For the OP question you have to go with Kobe.

That would be Dwight. Terrible footwork. He looks clumsy. Plus he takes a long moment to set himself to prepare for the move-- it's not yet muscle memory or instinctive. But he's trying and still training with the Dream. Which is good.


These players should really work on their fundamentals first-- today's league may be overall more athletic, but probably has the weakest fundamentally sound players ever. In team ball especially.

[Sakkreth]

Kobe is more skilled with MUCH better footwork.

Lebron could be unstoppable in the post, but he doesn't take full advantage of his size all the time. I don't know why.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif

http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/12/120112103340368103.gif

Nice. First one is travel though.

[SexSymbol]

easily Kobe.
Kobe's literally the best in the league in post-ups.

[ImKobe]

Let's see

variety of moves - Kobe
quickness - Kobe
more fluid - Kobe
stronger - Lebron
efficiency - Kobe (2012-13 Kobe was the best post player in the league)


Lebron could be harder to stop than Kobe because of his size, Lebron can just push himself into the paint and finish at the rim whereas Kobe will create space out of nothing and a splash a high-arcing fadeaway

[9erempiree]

Where are the moderators when you need them? This thread shouldn't exist.

[L.A. Jazz]

Nice. First one is travel though.
right, he changes his pivot foot. but it's so quick and fluid the refs missed it.

[Sakkreth]

right, he changes his pivot foot. but it's so quick and fluid the refs missed it.

Yup, hard to be mad about such missed calls.

[VIntageNOvel]

this thread is an insult to kobe,
this is just like flash or goku thread :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

OKC couldn't stop LeBron in the post, in the 2012 finals. Kobe has a great post game

[played0ut]

And LA jazz:


Nice. First one is travel though.

It's not a travel.

When he completes his dribble he's allowed two counts. (The two counts are the step back fake jumper.)

After the two count, he's allowed to only use his rear foot as a pivot foot (his left foot is the pivot foot).

Once his pivot foot leaves the ground he must release the ball before his pivot foot lands (which he did).




I had to carefully read the travel rules when people kept calling me for travel when I was trying to incorporate Hakeem's footwork in my game. :oldlol:

[MaxFly]

Where are the moderators when you need them? This thread shouldn't exist.

This is a good conversation to be had. These threads are the best way to prevent history from being rewritten. If some are saying that LeBron is a better post player now in spite of how crazy that notion is, it's probably best to let posters fight it out so that there is a record of intelligent discussion on the topic.

[VIntageNOvel]

OKC couldn't stop LeBron in the post, in the 2012 finals. Kobe has a great post game


kinda hard to stop someone if youre not allowed to touch him

[JohnFreeman]

kinda hard to stop someone if youre not allowed to touch him
Stop exaggerating

[Kvnzhangyay]

kinda hard to stop someone if youre not allowed to touch him

That doesn't change the fact you can't stop him :confusedshrug:

[Sakkreth]

And LA jazz:



It's not a travel.

When he completes his dribble he's allowed two counts. (The two counts are the step back fake jumper.)

After the two count, he's allowed to only use his rear foot as a pivot foot (his left foot is the pivot foot).

Once his rear foot leaves the ground he must release the ball before his pivot foot lands (which he did).


I had to carefully read the travel rules when people kept calling me for travel when I was trying to incorporate Hakeem's footwork in my game. :oldlol:

It's a travel. After last dribble he was standing on both feet, his left being his pivot, then he steps with his right (which is legal ofc), then steps with his left (which is illegal) then uses his left to elevate which means that step was definetly before the shot, because after step he used his left to elevate and he shot the ball while he was in the air.

[Magic 32]

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http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2011/05/11/2015029417.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3768613/ledunk_medium.gif
http://nbatitlechase.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/lebron-shake-and-bake.gif

[Jlamb47]

Kobe wtf?
Lebron just got a post game 2 years back and its still raw at times
hes just strong and a freak
Kobe is beautiful in the post

[andgar923]

Kobe easily.

Why is this thread so long? :confusedshrug:

[Dragic4Life]

Look at the numbers, their efficiency.

Lebron is clearly the better post player.

[Jlamb47]

Look at the numbers, their efficiency.

Lebron is clearly the better post player.

WHen i look at number i see

5/7 and 2/5

[Mr Exlax]

Kobe is more dangerous to his defender in the post.

LeBron is more dangerous to the entire defense in the post.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe is more skilled with MUCH better footwork.

Lebron could be unstoppable in the post, but he doesn't take full advantage of his size all the time. I don't know why.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/z%20Comparison/T-MAC/n%20The%20Truth/kobemanu.gif

http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/12/120112103340368103.gif

Those aren't even post plays :wtf:

[ArbitraryWater]

easily Kobe.
Kobe's literally the best in the league in post-ups.

http://ofmusingsandwonderings.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/you-keep-using-that-word1.jpg

[jayfan]

Those aren't even post plays :wtf:

True.




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