Replace Duncan with...

[Lebronxrings]

-Pau Gasol

-Griffin

-Ibaka

How many titles do these guys win in duncans place. Pop should be able to win just as much with these guys.

[Le Shaqtus]

Ibaka? Really :lol

[dubeta]

the same 5 at least

maybe even 6, i dont see either of them missing a layup to win in 2013

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Griffin - Yes probably this year (no other year) although their defense would suffer a lot...even an old Duncan is a great defender

Pau - Prime Pau on this team would win...probably not any of the other 4...

Ibaka - Don't win shit

[SouBeachTalents]

the same 5 at least

maybe even 6, i dont see either of them missing a layup to win in 2013

Wow, you think LeBron would lose in the Finals twice to Ibaka?

[imdaman99]

Wow, you think LeBron would lose in the Finals twice to Ibaka?
:roll: op is known retard

[Purch]

There's no big in the Nba capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03

[SouBeachTalents]

There's no big in the Nba capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03

One of the most underrated performances of all time

[imdaman99]

Replace OP with a potato

And the world is a better place.

And take his shitty alt dubeta with him.

[bdreason]

Pop is a great coach... but great players win games.

[rmt]

There's no big in the Nba capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03

I'd go so far as to say that there's no PLAYER in the NBA capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03.

So let's hear the arguments that Lebron or Kobe could carry a team like Duncan did in 03 - say you give them comparable bigs - a rookie center and 2nd year PF and a 2nd year PG - kinda like Lebron this year on CLE - mind you, it's gotta be late first round pick like Parker, late 2nd round picks like Manu and SJax - no #1 picks like Anthony Davis. Oh I guess that discounts Irving - well even ignoring that he's a #1 draft pick. Don't think many believe Lebron's got a chance of winning with what CLE's got now.

[dubeta]

I'd go so far as to say that there's no PLAYER in the NBA capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03.

So let's hear the arguments that Lebron or Kobe could carry a team like Duncan did in 03 - say you give them comparable bigs - a rookie center and 2nd year PF and a 2nd year PG - kinda like Lebron this year on CLE - mind you, it's gotta be late first round pick like Parker, late 2nd round picks like Manu and SJax - no #1 picks like Anthony Davis. Oh I guess that discounts Irving - well even ignoring that he's a #1 draft pick. Don't think many believe Lebron's got a chance of winning with what CLE's got now.

popovichs offensive schemes was the #1 reason for success. Duncan was a part of a well oiled machine. Good player but not great

[toxicxr6]

popovichs offensive schemes was the #1 reason for success. Duncan was a part of a well oiled machine. Good player but not great


This post shows how dumb you really are...

03 were a defensive team which was not a potent offensive team :facepalm

You might want to watch 03 Duncan in the finals.. Probably a level of basketball you have never seen


Enjoy watching your red bars grow

Negged

[dubeta]

This post shows how dumb you really are...

03 were a defensive team which was not a potent offensive team :facepalm

You might want to watch 03 Duncan in the finals.. Probably a level of basketball you have never seen


Enjoy watching your red bars grow

Negged

stay mad

[Lebronxrings]

I'd go so far as to say that there's no PLAYER in the NBA capable of carrying a team like Duncan did in 03.

So let's hear the arguments that Lebron or Kobe could carry a team like Duncan did in 03 - say you give them comparable bigs - a rookie center and 2nd year PF and a 2nd year PG - kinda like Lebron this year on CLE - mind you, it's gotta be late first round pick like Parker, late 2nd round picks like Manu and SJax - no #1 picks like Anthony Davis. Oh I guess that discounts Irving - well even ignoring that he's a #1 draft pick. Don't think many believe Lebron's got a chance of winning with what CLE's got now.
you are greatly underestimating the roster :facepalm

Parker, jackson, bowen, rose, ginobili, robinson is STACKED. Throw in a GOAT coach in pop and its game over league.

[toxicxr6]

you are greatly underestimating the roster :facepalm

Parker, jackson, bowen, rose, ginobili, robinson is STACKED. Throw in a GOAT coach in pop and its game over league.
You deserve a neg for that too

Negged

[Lebronxrings]

You deserve a neg for that too

Negged
can't refute my statement *****?

[mentallooser]

People have REALLY forgotten just how great a player Duncan has been. Good lord.

[Carbine]

It's not that people have forgotten, it's that THESE people weren't even alive for his peak - or weren't old enough to truly understand and digest what they were watching.

[toxicxr6]

can't refute my statement *****?

You realise those players at that stage of their careers weren't even putting up numbers as good as what Miami had this year
Parker put up Ray Allen numbers except shooting 40%
Robinson was comparable to chris Anderson
Jackson didn't even compare to wade

Keep your legs shut your sticking out this forum

[Aussie Dunker]

Gasol maybe 1

Griff maybe 1

Ibaka 0

Defense is very underrated.... Which is what separates Duncan from a lot of others..

Replace Duncan with KG, and then we are looking at 3-5 titles...

[rmt]

you are greatly underestimating the roster :facepalm

Parker, jackson, bowen, rose, ginobili, robinson is STACKED. Throw in a GOAT coach in pop and its game over league.

Do you think Pop was considered GOAT coach after winning ONE title 4 years earlier?

2003 playoffs

Duncan 24.7 pts / 15.4 rebs / 5.3 assts /3.3 blks 52.9%
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 assts 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 rebs 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs 38.6%

Is that really STACKED?

By contrast:

2014 playoffs
James 27.4 pts / 7.1 rebs / 4.8 assts / 1.9 stl 56.5%
Wade 17.8 pts / 3.9 assts 50%
Bosh 14.9 pts / 5.6 rebs 50.7%
Allen 9.3 pts / 3.4 rebs 41.3%

[no pun intended]

Gasol maybe 1

Griff maybe 1

Ibaka 0

Defense is very underrated.... Which is what separates Duncan from a lot of others..

Replace Duncan with KG, and then we are looking at 3-5 titles...
This.

[VIntageNOvel]

-Pau Gasol

-Griffin

-Ibaka

How many titles do these guys win in duncans place. Pop should be able to win just as much with these guys.



the same 5 at least

maybe even 6, i dont see either of them missing a layup to win in 2013


dude answering himself :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

some posters try way to hard. lrn2troll

[GrapeApe]

Duncan was essentially a star from day one in the NBA. Did Pop coach him at Wake Forest too? Calling him a system player is a joke. He MADE the system.

[Fudge]

stay mad
LOOOL you lost, brah. Body bagged.

[Lebronxrings]

i still see no difference between pau gasol and tim duncan. Granted, if gasol had the looks and opportunities duncan had, i think he would be just as good.

[stalkerforlife]

LOL @ Pau winning a playoff game without Kobe.

[GrapeApe]

LOL @ Pau winning a playoff game without Kobe.

Or Derek Fisher.

[deja vu]

i still see no difference between pau gasol and tim duncan. Granted, if gasol had the looks and opportunities duncan had, i think he would be just as good.
C'mon, Pau was a softie. Duncan was/is miles ahead of Pau DEFENSIVELY.

[Real14]

Gasol would have 5 or more.

[bballnoob1192]

-Pau Gasol

-Griffin

-Ibaka

How many titles do these guys win in duncans place. Pop should be able to win just as much with these guys.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm what the **** are you even trying to say. Let's replace those second tier PF with malone, barkley, KG. they prolly win about the same.

[Dragic4Life]

I think all 3 would win under Pop system.

Ibaka is better denfensively than Duncan.

Griffin offensively.

Pau overall just better.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think all 3 would win under Pop system.

Ibaka is better denfensively than Duncan.

Griffin offensively.

Pau overall just better.

:roll:

[Dragic4Life]

:roll:
Pau won 2009 and 2010 with less help than Duncan did. And Pau is just a better post offensive player.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau won 2009 and 2010 with less help than Duncan did. And Pau is just a better post offensive player.

Lol, so who on the Spurs was better than 09-10 Kobe?

[Dragic4Life]

Lol, so who on the Spurs was better than 09-10 Kobe?
Kawhi Leonard defensively.

Manu and Parker offensively.

[Real14]

Manu and Parker offensively.

http://cdn.teamcococdn.com/assets/image/640x0/scale:max/sig:061b3c793d6bda1de317ffa8c242ce71/s020211-kobe-conan.jpg

[bballnoob1192]

Lol, so who on the Spurs was better than 09-10 Kobe?
why are you even arguing with michaelcorleone4life. His agenda is pretty obvious.

[Dragic4Life]

http://cdn.teamcococdn.com/assets/image/640x0/scale:max/sig:061b3c793d6bda1de317ffa8c242ce71/s020211-kobe-conan.jpg
Manu and Parker in Pop's system is far better than Kobe ISO. That's taking nothing away from how good a scorer 09 Kobe was.

[GrapeApe]

I think all 3 would win under Pop system.

Ibaka is better denfensively than Duncan.

Griffin offensively.

Pau overall just better.

What little hope I have left for humanity may have died after reading that.

[Dragic4Life]

What little hope I have left for humanity may have died after reading that.
You really believe Ibaka, Griffin or Pau won't win under Pop's system?:facepalm

[T_L_P]

You really believe Ibaka, Griffin or Pau won't win under Pop's system?:facepalm

What the **** was the system from 98-07, when Duncan won most of his rings?

And you have Duncan ranked fifth all time too. Can't keep track of your alts?

--

Anyway, Gasol wins one, Ibaka and Griffin win none. If they were drafted in 98, that is.

[Jlamb47]

OP is a F4g

Dubeta is a bitch

Griffin - 0

Ibaka - 0

Gasol - maybe 2

[Lebron23]

OP is underrating Tim. He was the Spurs best player in 3 of their last 5 NBA championships.

And stop overrating Griffin. He's not even a better playoffs performer than Prime Kemp.

[T_L_P]

you are greatly underestimating the roster :facepalm

Parker, jackson, bowen, rose, ginobili, robinson is STACKED. Throw in a GOAT coach in pop and its game over league.

Parker - Duncan's second option and he was shit - shot about 40% and got benched for Speedy Claxton

Jackson, Rose - solid role players

Bowen - good-to-great defense, had some horrible offensive showings (shot 23% in the Finals as a starter)

Manu - rookie, still adapting to NBA ball, shot badly as well

Robinson - 7/7 role player: you wouldn't even be listing him if his name was Will Prelude

Parker, Rose, Pop all said Duncan carried them. I think RC said they were still rebuilding before the season, and only one GM predicted them to win it all.

Now crawl back in your hole. Your statement has been refuted. :facepalm

[T_L_P]

OP is underrating Tim. He was the Spurs best player in 3 of their last 5 NBA championships.

And stop overrating Griffin. He's not even a better playoffs performer than Prime Kemp.

3?

[Dragic4Life]

What the **** was the system from 98-07, when Duncan won most of his rings?

And you have Duncan ranked fifth all time too. Can't keep track of your alts?

--

Anyway, Gasol wins one, Ibaka and Griffin win none. If they were drafted in 98, that is.
Duncan ranks 5th because of accolades.

Swap him with any of those PFs and they will take his place on the all time list.

[Jlamb47]

Duncan ranks 5th because of accolades.

Swap him with any of those PFs and they will take his place on the all time list.
Not that many 2 way players like Duncan that are that elite at his position. Your a Lebron stan, replace him with Mj/Kobe/Durant theyl all be 3/5 cuz they wouldnt choke in 2011

[T_L_P]

Duncan ranks 5th because of accolades.

Swap him with any of those PFs and they will take his place on the all time list.

Based on what, your own biases?

:facepalm

Replace LeBron with Detlef Schrempf, and he has more rings than LeBron (2011 for sure, 2012 and 2013 are stacked). See how easy it is?

[Dragic4Life]

Based on what, your own biases?

:facepalm

Replace LeBron with Detlef Schrempf, and he has more rings than LeBron (2011 for sure, 2012 and 2013 are stacked). See how easy it is?
Let's evaluate them based on basketball ability and skills ALONE. No rings, no MVPs, nothing else but ability.

All time PF ranking among those mentioned in OP would be:

1. Pau Gasol
2. Serge Ibaka
3. Tim Duncan
4. Blake Griffin

[Jlamb47]

Let's evaluate them based on basketball ability and skills ALONE. No rings, no MVPs, nothing else but ability.

All time PF ranking among those mentioned in OP would be:

1. Pau Gasol
2. Serge Ibaka
3. Tim Duncan
4. Blake Griffin

Ibaka and Gasol dont have the skill set Duncan has
were also talking about Defense + Offense

You seem to downgrade anyone for Lebron
your a ****ing idiot, replace Lebron wtih Durant/Kobe in 2011 and they win and dont choke bitch

[T_L_P]

Let's evaluate them based on basketball ability and skills ALONE. No rings, no MVPs, nothing else but ability.

All time PF ranking among those mentioned in OP would be:

1. Pau Gasol
2. Serge Ibaka
3. Tim Duncan
4. Blake Griffin

Ability and skills are ambiguous words. Let's talk impact.

You seriously think prime Duncan has less impact than Serge Ibaka and Pau Gasol? If so, I know you're just trolling. You're no better than dubeta or lebronxring tbh.

Oh, and Detlef > Bron.

[Dragic4Life]

Ability and skills are ambiguous words. Let's talk impact.

You seriously prime Duncan has less impact than Serge Ibaka and Pau Gasol? If so, I know you're just trolling.
Remember, Duncan had prime DRob, prime Parker and prime Manu not to mention coach pop.

If either Ibaka or Gasol comes into the league with that much help, they'll no doubt grow into a top 5 player of all time.

Impact is all circumstantial tbh, had Duncan not been drafted to a stacked team, his impact would be significantly less impressive.

[Jlamb47]

Ability and skills are ambiguous words. Let's talk impact.

You seriously think prime Duncan has less impact than Serge Ibaka and Pau Gasol? If so, I know you're just trolling. You're no better than dubeta or lebronxring tbh.

Oh, and Detlef > Bron.

He mad Duncan made Lebron his bitch this past post season

[Jlamb47]

Remember, Duncan had prime DRob, prime Parker and prime Manu not to mention coach pop.

If either Ibaka or Gasol comes into the league with that much help, they'll no doubt grow into a top 5 player of all time.

Impact is all circumstantial tbh, had Duncan not been drafted to a stacked team, his impact would be significantly less impressive.

03 you idiot
Second year Manu (isnt prime)
rookie Parker (isnt prime)
DRob last year

He almost had a quadrible double game
putting up numbers majority players can only dream of
your as dumb as it gets
Stay salty bitch

2/5

[Dragic4Life]

He mad Duncan made Lebron his bitch this past post season
I'm not mad. Duncan is gonna retire soon. 5 rings is his ceiling while Lebron is still hitting his peak.

Lebron James can easily win 3-5 more rings with the new Cavs.

[Dragic4Life]

Jlamb47 you keep posting "2/5" like it means anything.:facepalm :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Remember, Duncan had prime DRob, prime Parker and prime Manu not to mention coach pop.

If either Ibaka or Gasol comes into the league with that much help, they'll no doubt grow into a top 5 player of all time.

Impact is all circumstantial tbh, had Duncan not been drafted to a stacked team, his impact would be significantly less impressive.

He had one year or prime Robinson you ****ing nub.

LeBron had prime Wade, Bosh, Allen and Pat Riley and still has a losing record in the Finals. :eek:

[Jlamb47]

I'm not mad. Duncan is gonna retire soon. 5 rings is his ceiling while Lebron is still hitting his peak.

Lebron James can easily win 3-5 more rings with the new Cavs.

Lebron LOST 2 more times then Duncan but been to the finals 1 more time then him
I bet it sucks to have a Losing finals record

[Dragic4Life]

He had one year or prime Robinson you ****ing nub.

LeBron had prime Wade, Bosh, Allen and Pat Riley and still has a losing record in the Finals. :eek:
Wade's prime was in 2009 you ****ing nub.

And Bosh's prime was his Toronto days.

Allen's prime was in 2008.

Pat Riley ain't shit, he did nothing to help Lebron as a player.

[T_L_P]

Wade's prime was in 2009 you ****ing nub.

And Bosh's prime was his Toronto days.

Allen's prime was in 2008.

Pat Riley ain't shit, he did nothing to help Lebron as a player.


Prime Wade, Bosh, Allen and Pat and still a losing record. :eek:

Could you imagine Ariza or Prince getting that kind of help? They'd be 3/5 for sure. :eek:

[Jlamb47]

Wade's prime was in 2009 you ****ing nub.

And Bosh's prime was his Toronto days.

Allen's prime was in 2008.

Pat Riley ain't shit, he did nothing to help Lebron as a player.

your head must be stuck in lebron pvssy

Bosh is 30 years old how was he not in his prime???

Wade was maybe delvining a little but 26 5 5 isnt elite?
thats 2011 when Lebron choked his ring away and WAdes FMVP

[AnaheimLakers24]

why doesnt bran have a ring without a allstar studded cast?

bran is top 24 imo

[Dragic4Life]

why doesnt Kobe have a ring without a allstar studded cast?

Kobe is top 24 imo
Fixed.

[Jlamb47]

Fixed.


Wade + Bosh ? Gasol

Lol he had WAde a top 4 SG of all time :wtf:

Lebron stan

[Dragic4Life]

Wade + Bosh ? Gasol

Lol he had WAde a top 4 SG of all time :wtf:

Lebron stan
Prime Shaq > Prime Manu + Prime Parker + DRob >>>>>>>> Declining Wade + Bosh + Old Allen.

[T_L_P]

Prime Shaq > Prime Manu + Prime Parker + DRob >>>>>>>> Declining Wade + Bosh + Old Allen.

Prime D. Rob never played with prime Parker or Manu.

However, prime Wade, Bosh and James all played with each other. And prime LeBron Brad Miller'd his way out of the Finals. :oldlol:

[Jlamb47]

Prime Shaq > Prime Manu + Prime Parker + DRob >>>>>>>> Declining Wade + Bosh + Old Allen.

lol delcining Wade still putting up numbers better then Parker and Manu
and im a fan of spurs u dumb ass

DRob was never in his prime with manu and parker that was his last year if you watched any basketball

[Dragic4Life]

Prime D. Rob never played with prime Parker or Manu.

However, prime Wade, Bosh and James all played with each other. And prime LeBron Brad Miller'd his way out of the Finals. :oldlol:
Stop saying prime Wade and Bosh.

Prime Wade was 2009. Prime Bosh was 2006-2009.

[IGOTGAME]

I don't think Gasol wins any titles if we switch them year for year. Maybe if we switched absolute peak Pau for last years old Duncan they win but I'm not sure because Pau isn't the leader and doesn't command the respect that Duncan does.

[T_L_P]

Stop saying prime Wade and Bosh.

Prime Wade was 2009. Prime Bosh was 2006-2009.

Duncan's prime was 98-08. Shaq was 95-04.

Primes last a long time, and Wade was very much in his in 2011. He put up 25/7/4/2/1. Those are superstar numbers. LeBron got jealous and threw the Finals because Wade was so good. :eek:

[Dragic4Life]

Duncan's prime was 98-08
Probably the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum and that is a tall order.:facepalm

You're saying Duncan's prime lasted a decade?:facepalm

[Jlamb47]

Stop saying prime Wade and Bosh.

Prime Wade was 2009. Prime Bosh was 2006-2009.

Lol
2010-11 ★ 29 MIA NBA SG 76 76 37.1 9.1 18.2 .500 0.8 2.7 .306 8.3 15.5 .534 6.5 8.6 .758 1.6 4.8 6.4 4.6 1.5 1.1 3.1 2.6 25.5
2011-12 ★ 30 MIA NBA SG 49 49 33.2 8.5 17.1 .497 0.3 1.1 .268 8.2 15.9 .513 4.8 6.1 .791 1.5 3.3 4.8 4.6 1.7 1.3 2.6 2.2 22.1
2012-13 ★ 31 MIA NBA SG 69 69 34.7 8.2 15.8 .521 0.2 1.0 .258 8.0 14.9 .537 4.5 6.2 .725 1.2 3.7 5.0 5.1 1.9 0.8 2.8 2.0 21.2
2013-14 ★ 32 MIA NBA SG 54 53 32.9 7.7 14.1 .545 0.2 0.6 .281 7.5 13.5 .557 3.5 4.8 .733 1.1 3.4 4.5 4.7 1.5 0.5 3.0 2.0 19.0

There go DWade numbers in the 4 year span he played with Lebron
he was an ALL STAR EVERY YEAR and look at his numbers
thats sure looks like close to prime and all star to me
Lebron just couldnt win with 2 PRIME players
more prime then what Duncan had u f4g

[Jlamb47]

Probably the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum and that is a tall order.:facepalm

You're saying Duncan's prime lasted a decade?:facepalm
Duncan won in 3 generations bitch
and he beat LEBITCH TWICE

[T_L_P]

Probably the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum and that is a tall order.:facepalm

You're saying Duncan's prime lasted a decade?:facepalm

A prime means the years you were elite.

Duncan: 98-07/08
Shaq: 95-04
Garnett: 99-08
LeBron: 05-current
Kobe: 01-12/13
Magic/Bird: pretty much whole careers

There's a prime and a peak. Peak Duncan is 01-03. Peak LeBron is 09-12. Shaq 99-02. Kobe 06-08.

Not a hard concept, bro. And even still, Wade was in his prime in 2011. Look at the nubers.

[Lebronxrings]

Duncan Stans insecure as hell. You guys lost credibility when you brought up lebron for no reason.

Gasol and Duncan are similar. While I know Duncan Stans easily get mad, let's just say gasol wins the same amount as Duncan with that cast. There's no shame in that.

I think we should all credit pop though. He's a genius.

[Dragic4Life]

I have a funny feeling Jlamb47 is T_L_P's alt.

The only 2 delusional Duncan stans on ISH.

[rmt]

OP is underrating Tim. He was the Spurs best player in 3 of their last 5 NBA championships.

And stop overrating Griffin. He's not even a better playoffs performer than Prime Kemp.

Strongly disagree. Duncan was the Spurs best player in 06-07 (all-nba 1st team, all-defensive 1st team, all-star). Parker didn't make any all-nba team but did get all-star honors.

06-07 regular season
Duncan 20 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 assts / 2.4 blks 54.6%
Parker 18.6 pts / 5.5 assts 52%

07 playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 assts / 3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 assts 48%


Even 2013-14 is close (especially when DEFENSE is taken into account):

13-14 regular season
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 3 assts / 1.9 blks 49%
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 assts 49.9%

14 playoffs
Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 assts / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 assts 48.6%

[Lebronxrings]

I have a funny feeling Jlamb47 is T_L_P's alt.

The only 2 delusional Duncan stans on ISH.
Yes I agree. I don't believe anyone sucks Duncan's dick that much.

[T_L_P]

I have a funny feeling Jlamb47 is T_L_P's alt.

The only 2 delusional Duncan stans on ISH.

Your idea of delusion is pretty far-fetched.

The only bold statement I've made here is that Gasol, Ibaka and Griffin aren't better players than Duncan. That's a fact.

Duncan averaged 25/14/4/3 from 99-05 in the Playoffs. From 05-10, Gasol averaged 19/10/3/1. That's a huge difference.

It wasn't Popovich either. Duncan was being called a superstar before he had anything to do with the Spurs, and you sure as hell haven't shown me any proof that Popovich did anything to make Duncan a player (except "GOAT coach, would have made Pau/Ibaka/Griffin top 5 players bla bla bla"). If that were true, why aren't Manu and Parker top 5 players, or even top 50 players for that matter?

LeBron is a ****ing great player. He may very well end his career in the top 5 or whatever, but the idea that Duncan does nothing better than him is stupid. And the idea that he can be replaced by Serge Ibaka is about as ludicrous as the idea that LeBron can be replaced by Larry Nance. LeBron called Duncan the most dominant player of the past fifteen years.

Just read what players have to say about him:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/06/04/fundamental-greatness-an-oral-history-of-tim-duncan/

[Big#50]

Spurs win nothing. Not even Shaq leads them to a ring in any of these seasons.

[Lebronxrings]

Your idea of delusion is pretty far-fetched.

The only bold statement I've made here is that Gasol, Ibaka and Griffin aren't better players than Duncan. That's a fact.

Duncan averaged 25/14/4/3 from 99-05 in the Playoffs. From 05-10, Gasol averaged 19/10/3/1. That's a huge difference.

It wasn't Popovich either. Duncan was being called a superstar before he had anything to do with the Spurs, and you sure as hell haven't shown me any proof that Popovich did anything to make Duncan a player (except "GOAT coach, would have made Pau/Ibaka/Griffin top 5 players bla bla bla"). If that were true, why aren't Manu and Parker top 5 players, or even top 50 players for that matter?

LeBron is a ****ing great player. He may very well end his career in the top 5 or whatever, but the idea that Duncan does nothing better than him is stupid. And the idea that he can be replaced by Serge Ibaka is about as ludicrous as the idea that LeBron can be replaced by Larry Nance. LeBron called Duncan the most dominant player of the past fifteen years.

Just read what players have to say about him:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/06/04/fundamental-greatness-an-oral-history-of-tim-duncan/
Admit it, parker carried Duncan, ginobili carried him, kawhi carried him and he had stacked casts with Robinson those other years.03 was the only real respectful performance and throw in what a genius pop was, and it isn't that impressive. If lebron averaged those numbers, everyone would trash him and say how stacked his team was. Just because Duncan's a nice guy shouldn't change facts.

[T_L_P]

Admit it, parker carried Duncan, ginobili carried him, kawhi carried him and he had stacked casts with Robinson those other years.03 was the only real respectful performance and throw in what a genius pop was, and it isn't that impressive. If lebron averaged those numbers, everyone would trash him and say how stacked his team was. Just because Duncan's a nice guy shouldn't change facts.

2012 Finals: 29/10/7/1.5/0.5/.558 TS%

117 ORtg/109 DRtg

2013 Finals: 25/11/7/2/1/.529 TS%

113 ORtg / 105 DRtg

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2003 Finals: 25/17/5/1/5/.546 TS%

109 ORtg / 83 DRtg

LeBron held Durant to .650 TS% and Kawhi to .583 TS%.

Duncan held Kenyon Martin to .381 TS%, including a 3-23 shooting game 6

Duncan's 2003 Finals is better than any of LeBron's. So if Duncan's was just a respectful performance, LeBron's was merely mediocre.

Of course you're gonna twist the facts and say Duncan got carried, whilst LeBron had to drag his team to victory. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

Admit it, parker carried Duncan, ginobili carried him, kawhi carried him and he had stacked casts with Robinson those other years.03 was the only real respectful performance and throw in what a genius pop was, and it isn't that impressive. If lebron averaged those numbers, everyone would trash him and say how stacked his team was. Just because Duncan's a nice guy shouldn't change facts.
Are you ****ing 13 years old? You obviously never watched any prime Duncan but you insist on running your ****ing mouth. I used to be a sub teacher and you sound like a middle schooler who thinks he's smart.

[Jlamb47]

Are you ****ing 13 years old? You obviously never watched any prime Duncan but you insist on running your ****ing mouth. I used to be a sub teacher and you sound like a middle schooler who thinks he's smart.

Hes Dragic4life or whatever the name is
he has 2 acounts

[riseagainst]

lebronxrings is dragic4life's other alt?

[tpols]

Duncan was essentially a star from day one in the NBA. Did Pop coach him at Wake Forest too? Calling him a system player is a joke. He MADE the system.

He really didnt "make" the system.. the spurs win with passing and ball movement and duncan is not close to the best passer on the team. Parker, manu, and diaw are all better along with possibly a few of their other guards.

[T_L_P]

He really didnt "make" the system.. the spurs win with passing and ball movement and duncan is not close to the best passer on the team. Parker, manu, and diaw are all better along with possibly a few of their other guards.

I assume he meant the early Spurs. This system has been around for three years. 98-05 the Spurs were a defensive team with no real offensive system, other than relying on Duncan's post-ups. 06-08 they relied on Duncan/Parker pick and rolls, and 09-11 is not worth talking about. :oldlol:

[tpols]

The 03 Spurs finished 1st in the West and had the best record in the entire NBA.. they had HCA throughout the whole playoffs. The spurs often finished as the best or second best team in the league every single year.. they were 4 seeds ahead of LA in 03, yet everyone still had the lakers winning because they were known to win in the playoffs while the spurs never held it together in the playoffs like they did in the regular season.

Then the spurs play the 50 win Nets? The spurs were a 60 win team.. they were flat out better and pop/manu/parker/sjax are a better core than what jason kidd had to work with.

[T_L_P]

The 03 Spurs finished 1st in the West and had the best record in the entire NBA.. they had HCA throughout the whole playoffs. The spurs often finished as the best or second best team in the league every single year.. they were 4 seeds ahead of LA in 03, yet everyone still had the lakers winning because they were known to win in the playoffs while the spurs never held it together in the playoffs like they did in the regular season.

Then the spurs play the 50 win Nets? The spurs were a 60 win team.. they were flat out better and pop/manu/parker/sjax are a better core than what jason kidd had to work with.

Okay...point? That doesn't mean they should have beaten the Lakers or won two games against a healthy Dallas.

[Dragic4Life]

Okay...point? That doesn't mean they should have beaten the Lakers or won two games against a healthy Dallas.
You can replace Duncan with anybody in the top 10 all time PF list and there will be no difference as to how many rings the Spurs win.

[T_L_P]

You can replace Duncan with anybody in the top 10 all time PF list and there will be no difference as to how many rings the Spurs win.

If you say so. You can replace LeBron with any top 25 SF. Still two rings.

[riseagainst]

If you say so. You can replace LeBron with any top 25 SF. Still two rings.

:lol

[Dragic4Life]

If you say so. You can replace LeBron with any top 25 SF. Still two rings.
I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you and you come up with this shit...

[T_L_P]

:lol

2011 is a given. If that spot was filled by current-day Bill Russell they still win. Then the 2012 and 2013 Heat have two superstars, and Mike Miller/Ray Allen, the legacy savers.

[riseagainst]

I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you and you come up with this shit...

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[Jlamb47]

Replace Lebron with Durant/Kobe/AI/TMAC/VC/MJ/Drexler/Bird/Wilkins/ they win in 2011

[T_L_P]

I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you and you come up with this shit...

You're right. What was I thinking? I should have said any top 50 SF. Sorry man. :rant :banghead:

[tpols]

Okay...point? That doesn't mean they should have beaten the Lakers or won two games against a healthy Dallas.

Its not some insurmountable feat like some spurs fans say...

[Lebronxrings]

The 03 Spurs finished 1st in the West and had the best record in the entire NBA.. they had HCA throughout the whole playoffs. The spurs often finished as the best or second best team in the league every single year.. they were 4 seeds ahead of LA in 03, yet everyone still had the lakers winning because they were known to win in the playoffs while the spurs never held it together in the playoffs like they did in the regular season.

Then the spurs play the 50 win Nets? The spurs were a 60 win team.. they were flat out better and pop/manu/parker/sjax are a better core than what jason kidd had to work with.
thats the point im trying to bring up. Duncan had a great cast which any top 10 pf could win with. Its not a knock against duncan so i don't understand why duncan stans are getting so defensive over this.

[T_L_P]

Its not some insurmountable feat like some spurs fans say...

Of course not. But it's still one of the great Finals performances. If it isn't then none of Shaq's Finals are either, or Kobe's series against the Spurs in 01, or Jordan's against some of those Heat teams, etc etc.

[DJ Leon Smith]

You can replace Duncan with anybody in the top 10 all time PF list and there will be no difference as to how many rings the Spurs win.

You can replace Dragic with any human being existing and there would be no difference in the Suns failing to make the playoffs in 2013.