One of Elgin's hang-time shots over Nate Thurmond:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3dFHHkjkJc8/U-GqUEXGX-I/AAAAAAAAFRE/u200mFYm98c/s400/Sequence%252004.Still004.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd5mdVga4To

Anyone who watched my recent mix of Elgin has seen it but here it is on it's own. Outstanding example of hang time, Nate actually would have blocked that shot had Elgin not had the body control and hand strength to hang, wait, and shoot it on the way down after Nate was out of the way.

[Dragic4Life]

Honestly we've seen that multiple times in this current era, almost every game even. Nothing special.

[CavaliersFTW]

Honestly we've seen that multiple times in this current era, almost every game even. Nothing special.
It's seen multiple times in any era, usually as a circus shot. Elgin's was one of the best at using it on a regular basis, probably the best at doing so in his era. And not a lot of players past or present like to hang on a regular basis.

[Dragic4Life]

It's seen multiple times in any era, usually as a circus shot. Elgin's was one of the best at using it on a regular basis, probably the best at doing so in his era. And not a lot of players past or present like to hang on a regular basis.
Can't believe I'm saying this... But Kobe does it so often enough he can replicate that Baylor shot in his sleep.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

^---- see what I mean? "Circus shot over Dwight Howard"... Elgin is doing that over Nate. And he's actually doing so carrying 25 more pounds of mass than Kobe. Nate is one of the all-time shot blockers too, at LEAST as good as Dwight. Go ahead and carry on acting like it's nothing noteworthy though.

[CavaliersFTW]

Can't believe I'm saying this... But Kobe does it so often enough he can replicate that Baylor shot in his sleep.
And it's treated like a spectacular play every time. Because it IS a spectacular play. Quit pretending extraordinary basketball abilities aren't extraordinary. 95% of the league doesn't hang in the air and change their shots like Kobe or Baylor to complete an inside shot over superlative rim-protecting shot blockers like Dwight or Nate Thurmond. You are trying way too hard to make great hang-time seem like an ordinary thing.

[Dragic4Life]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

^---- see what I mean? "Circus shot over Dwight Howard"... Elgin is doing that over Nate. And he's actually doing so carrying 25 more pounds of mass than Kobe. Nate is one of the all-time shot blockers too, at LEAST as good as Dwight. Go ahead and carry on acting like it's nothing noteworthy though.
Sorry but you're either a 70 year old elderly feeling nostalgic or just an idiot.

Nate is not better than Dwight. In fact, NOT ONE CENTER in that era is better than Dwight Howard in terms of conditioning and athleticism.

And yes, it's NOTHING noteworthy at all.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sorry but you're either a 70 year old elderly feeling nostalgic or just an idiot.

Nate is not better than Dwight. In fact, NOT ONE CENTER in that era is better than Dwight Howard in terms of conditioning and athleticism.

And yes, it's NOTHING noteworthy at all.
:biggums:

[Dragic4Life]

:biggums:
You're blinded by your prolonged d1ck sucking of these old era players so much so that you're "impressed" by that shot which we see every game now done even by scrubs.

Even made a thread.:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

You're blinded by your prolonged d1ck sucking of these old era players so much so that you're "impressed" by that shot which we see every game now done even by scrubs.

Even made a thread.:facepalm
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1112/11123556/2598450-1711094907-24362.jpg

[Dragic4Life]

http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1112/11123556/2598450-1711094907-24362.jpg
Why would I be butt hurt over a run of the mill "hang-time shot" which I see every game done by so many many players?:oldlol: :facepalm

[duskovujosevic]

hang time does not exist.

[played0ut]

Nate is not better than Dwight. In fact, NOT ONE CENTER in that era is better than Dwight Howard in terms of conditioning and athleticism.



?

What about all those anecdotes and official records of Wilt's speed and strength? High jump records? Arnold Schwarzenegger in an interview attesting to Wilt's monstrous strength? :confusedshrug:

The guy led the league over half his career in MPG and set league record at 48.5 MPG


The 7'2" goliath ran a sub 11 second 100 yard dash and also threw the shot put 56 feet. Despite competing and excelling in both sprinting and throwing his best events were not surprisingly the jumping events as Chamberlain triple jumped in excess of 50 feet and successfully won the Big 8 Conference high jumping competition three years in a row. In the world of track and field it is an extraordinarily rare athlete that can compete at the highest level in the shortest sprints, all the jumping events, and the throwing events.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/4113288






Your thoughts?

[played0ut]

BTW. That is from a university article, not a 'stan' post on some random basketball forum--from a real journalist. He doesn't present 'hearsay and rumors' as facts;

See below for the journalist on unproved 'hearsay' of Wilt's shot put as a youth.



Chamberlain excelled at every aspect of track and field including running, jumping, and throwing. He is reported to have tossed a shot put over 53 feet in his youth.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/4113288

[Dragic4Life]

?

What about all those anecdotes and official records of Wilt's speed and strength? High jump records?

...Your thoughts?
Myth.

[JohnFreeman]

Myth.
:oldlol:

[dreamwarrior]

That's one of Jordan's signature moves too. No doubt he copied Elgin but aside from those two nobody has ever been so skilled to be known for that. A lot of people have Jordan's fade-away now, perfected to the point where it's a mundane shot, but most people including Kobe don't have the natural leaping ability to pull off that shot consistently and in almost any situation. Even guys who could jump, like VC and TMac could never master that shot.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Honestly we've seen that multiple times in this current era, almost every game even. Nothing special.
I agree that this sort of thing is more common now, but much more credit goes to the innovator than the imitator.

[played0ut]

Myth.

heh, right.



you can keep trolling now i know you got my point

[3ball]

The only other guy in history to shoot as many hangtime shots as Elgin, was Jordan of course... Kobe is 3rd.

Here are a few from Jordan - the limit is 10 gifs, but there are literally hundreds more from the goat.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_best_hangtime_probably__86e032ab3379ef21ee0 7d7a493c922cc.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Baseline_Hangtime_Jumps_0208a631ff153e05f91 c5d22f0116056.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/More_Hangtime_from_Jordan_f0fb5275dad27843c3cc9792 b7c5a373.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Much_Elevation_on_doubl_5e7983db33638ec7592 3fbd6ec57675a.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Hangtime_Jumper_on_Ehlo_f1e46c7198411621cd3 2a9b0975872bf.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/No_hangtime_like_Jordans_0dd6db619b8c6a7c785b93425 f5b59da.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Super_Hangtime_Jumpshot_4068bc22668f5d466c0 9f6c775361299.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Monster_Hangtime_vs_Cel_0258c960587084ddc92 3a2b465cbd531.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/hangtime_turnaround_jumper_16e208dbfb2148eba149f19 e14a53d9e.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Fadeaway_Hangtime_VS_En_f2e6935bf43334e8c5c 30c1b2b6489d8.gif


This is a taste of what the goat mid-range game looks like... and this was back when contested, mid-range shots amongst congestion were the norm because the 3-point shot wasn't used to space the floor like today's game, which put downward pressure on efficiency that today's players don't have to deal with (in today's game, contested mid-range shots are considered the worst quality shots and teams run from them like the plague - and the spacing makes it so players don't have to take these shots - it's just an weaker, softer brand of basketball today where guys get better quality shots on average than previous eras).

[gts]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3dFHHkjkJc8/U-GqUEXGX-I/AAAAAAAAFRE/u200mFYm98c/s400/Sequence%252004.Still004.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd5mdVga4To

Anyone who watched my recent mix of Elgin has seen it but here it is on it's own. Outstanding example of hang time, Nate actually would have blocked that shot had Elgin not had the body control and hand strength to hang, wait, and shoot it on the way down after Nate was out of the way.


Sweet.. thanks for sharing, Elgin was the original high fly act

[uber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

^---- see what I mean? "Circus shot over Dwight Howard"... Elgin is doing that over Nate. And he's actually doing so carrying 25 more pounds of mass than Kobe. Nate is one of the all-time shot blockers too, at LEAST as good as Dwight. Go ahead and carry on acting like it's nothing noteworthy though.

mama, there goes that man :facepalm i hate marc jackson

[played0ut]

This is a taste of what the goat mid-range game looks like... and this was back when contested, mid-range shots amongst congestion were the norm because the 3-point shot wasn't used to space the floor like today's game, which put downward pressure on efficiency that today's players don't have to deal with (in today's game, contested mid-range shots are considered the worst quality shots and teams run from them like the plague - and the spacing makes it so players don't have to take these shots -

Fun Fact:

MJ said before he didn't care to be a 3 point specialist. He was compared to Drexler for having weaker 3 pt % and replied that Clyde was better than MJ chooses to be. He said it took away from the rest of his slashing, jumpshots, and other mid-game.

He said otherwise he'd just camp on the perimeter, which he didn't want to do.

[pudman13]

Nate is not better than Dwight. In fact, NOT ONE CENTER in that era is better than Dwight Howard in terms of conditioning and athleticism.



You don't get it, do you?

A few things:

--the point of this is that Baylor was a great player who would have been great in today's game
--Thurmond is at least three inches taller than Howard
--Baylor's hang time was greater than Kobe's if you compare the two clips.

[PHILA]

Another play where he took Luke Jackson off the dribble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANH50UrlQk8&t=2m41s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANH50UrlQk8&t=2m41s)

[SOD 21]

That move by Elgin Baylor 50 years ago was quite extraordinary in that era. But it is also rather ordinary by today's standards.

[CavaliersFTW]

That move by Elgin Baylor 50 years ago was quite extraordinary in that era. But it is also rather ordinary by today's standards.
As demonstrated by a link to the exact same play by Kobe over Dwight, no it isn't. That's ESPN highlight material, then, now, and tomorrow. Love how some people try to sell it short ignoring examples posted of a player like Kobe doing it with the crowd and announcers going nuts :oldlol:

[played0ut]

That move by Elgin Baylor 50 years ago was quite extraordinary in that era. But it is also rather ordinary by today's standards.

I don't think so. It's just that it's been seen enough that the 'wow' factor is gone, even if it's still extraordinarily difficult for most players to do.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wow. The compilation of hangtime gifs from 3ball are amazing :applause:


As demonstrated by a link to the exact same play by Kobe over Dwight, no it isn't. That's ESPN highlight material, then, now, and tomorrow. Love how some people try to sell it short ignoring examples posted of a player like Kobe doing it with the crowd and announcers going nuts :oldlol:

Come on dude. That move by Baylor was nice, but Kobe switched hands and hung in the air longer. NOT "exactly" the same play. :oldlol:

[moe94]

As demonstrated by a link to the exact same play by Kobe over Dwight, no it isn't. That's ESPN highlight material, then, now, and tomorrow. Love how some people try to sell it short ignoring examples posted of a player like Kobe doing it with the crowd and announcers going nuts :oldlol:

Kobe's looked way nicer. :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe's looked way nicer. :confusedshrug:
Baylor's same drive from 3 different angles, in color, would have looked a lot nicer too

[Pointguard]

The only other guy in history to shoot as many hangtime shots as Elgin, was Jordan of course... Kobe is 3rd.

Here are a few from Jordan - the limit is 10 gifs, but there are literally hundreds more from the goat.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_best_hangtime_probably__86e032ab3379ef21ee0 7d7a493c922cc.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Baseline_Hangtime_Jumps_0208a631ff153e05f91 c5d22f0116056.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/More_Hangtime_from_Jordan_f0fb5275dad27843c3cc9792 b7c5a373.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Much_Elevation_on_doubl_5e7983db33638ec7592 3fbd6ec57675a.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Hangtime_Jumper_on_Ehlo_f1e46c7198411621cd3 2a9b0975872bf.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/No_hangtime_like_Jordans_0dd6db619b8c6a7c785b93425 f5b59da.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Super_Hangtime_Jumpshot_4068bc22668f5d466c0 9f6c775361299.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Monster_Hangtime_vs_Cel_0258c960587084ddc92 3a2b465cbd531.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/hangtime_turnaround_jumper_16e208dbfb2148eba149f19 e14a53d9e.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Fadeaway_Hangtime_VS_En_f2e6935bf43334e8c5c 30c1b2b6489d8.gif


This is a taste of what the goat mid-range game looks like... and this was back when contested, mid-range shots amongst congestion were the norm because the 3-point shot wasn't used to space the floor like today's game, which put downward pressure on efficiency that today's players don't have to deal with (in today's game, contested mid-range shots are considered the worst quality shots and teams run from them like the plague - and the spacing makes it so players don't have to take these shots - it's just an weaker, softer brand of basketball today where guys get better quality shots on average than previous eras).

Actually, the guys who grew up watching Elgin imitated him. At one time there were about three guys who did it as much as Jordan did: George McGinnis, whole game was a one handed double pump. There was a guy name Larry Kenon who did it alot. And George Gervin did it a lot.

[CavaliersFTW]

Actually, the guys who grew up watching Elgin imitated him. At one time there were about three guys who did it as much as Jordan did: George McGinnis, whole game was a one handed double pump. There was a guy name Larry Kenon who did it alot. And George Gervin did it a lot.
Let's also not forget the doctor was an all-time great hang time master too

[smoovegittar]

Let's also not forget the doctor was an all-time great hang time master too
Ohhhhh yeahhh....

Great thread BTW. Never fails to get some of the infants in here upset when NBA history is mentioned. :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

CavsFTW,

Can you estimate how much footage you have of a prime Baylor (pre-65), in terms of his actual playing time in that same span?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/hangtime_turnaround_jumper_16e208dbfb2148eba149f19 e14a53d9e.gif

That is so ridiculous. To hang like that, then manage to shoot it over the shot blocker and have the touch on your shot on the way down. Christ.

[SexSymbol]

Can't believe I'm saying this... But Kobe does it so often enough he can replicate that Baylor shot in his sleep.
Yeah, but Kobe's one of the most agile and flexible players in the league, not many players have such ability.

Nice shot by Baylor, good work OP, I think you should make .gif's of these plays too. Though what I wanna say is that I see this shot being attempted every day on the court by 35+ YO men who are obviously not very good at basketball

[Pointguard]

Let's also not forget the doctor was an all-time great hang time master too
I swore somebody said his name already but looked and you are right, nobody did. Of course I would forget the most popular one. All of those guys were contemporaries and grew up dueling each other with Elgin moves.

[CavaliersFTW]

CavsFTW,

Can you estimate how much footage you have of a prime Baylor (pre-65), in terms of his actual playing time in that same span?
I don't know, I'd say 30% maybe? Even pre-65 Baylor is not 100% healthy though, after 1963 he had calcium deposits on both knee tendons that according to coach schauss slowed his explosiveness for rebounding and running down the floor executing full-court plays. The play in the OP is 1963-64 season. Elgin still looks pretty athletic in a lot of post 1965 footage though, some of his 1968-1970 footage is really impressive IMO (he's well into his 30's at that point), he's still dunking over multiple defenders, dunking over Bill Russell, blowing by people with a first step, spinning and twisting and putting up off balance shots, etc I don't know what exactly felt different in his legs after his injuries or how it affected his athleticism but he always seemed to still have a high degree of body control and at least a decent enough vertical too keep dunking up until his final season (age 38).

[LAZERUSS]

I suspect that about 1-2% of a prime Baylor exists in video footage. And that is about the same for a prime Wilt, as well. And there is practically nothing for Gus Johnson, who smashed three backboards in the 60's.

And if CavsFTW hadn't unearthed a couple of Wilt's unbelievable blocks (where his fingertips are near the top of the backboard), most here would have scoffed at the notion that Chamberlain was capable of touching the top of the backboard (and it was widely accepted at the time that he did, including two eye-witness accounts.) And the "Wilt-bashers" used to laugh at the idea that Chamberlain had enormous strength, claiming it was pure mythology,...until the none other than Arnold Schwartzenegger came out in an interview with Bill Simmons in which he was just stunned by the staggering amount of weights that Wilt was throwing around in their workouts together. Oh, and the "bashers" took a real beating when none other than Tex Winter, in a video interview, claimed that he witnessed Wilt, with a couple of steps behind the free throw line, throwing down a dunk with a free-throw line jump. He was so shocked that he headed up an NCAA committee that eventually banned that "freakish activity."

Of course, as the years went by, video footage became more-and-more common, to the point where we now have enormous volumes of footage available for players like Lebron and Kobe. But it's really too bad that very little footage exists for the greats of the 60's. Thank god we have quite a bit of footage of Pistol Pete and the Doc, though. So we know that the players from the late 60's were already performing the same incredible feats that the greats of the current era are doing now.

[fpliii]

Stupid question, but did Hawkins take/make a lot of those types of shots as well? From my understanding he had great body control and hang time too (could be wrong), but I haven't heard his name mentioned nearly as often as the others in this thread.

[LAZERUSS]

Stupid question, but did Hawkins take/make a lot of those types of shots as well? From my understanding he had great body control and hang time too (could be wrong), but I haven't heard his name mentioned nearly as often as the others in this thread.

I still recall going to a Lakers game in the 70's and Hawkins throwing down a monstrous "windmill" dunk. He was James Worthy long before Worthy was. He had enormous hands and a condor-like wingspan, too. His dunks were just effortless.

[CavaliersFTW]

Stupid question, but did Hawkins take/make a lot of those types of shots as well? From my understanding he had great body control and hang time too (could be wrong), but I haven't heard his name mentioned nearly as often as the others in this thread.
yes! He's the 2nd player that could do it all and hang forever if you got between his shot and the basket. His career should have overlapped with at least half of Baylor's, he just got snubbed by the NBA.

[fpliii]

I still recall going to a Lakers game in the 70's and Hawkins throwing down a monstrous "windmill" dunk. He was James Worthy long before Worthy was. He had enormous hands and a condor-like wingspan, too. His dunks were just effortless.
:applause:

yes! He's the 2nd player that could do it all and hang forever if you got between his shot and the basket. He just got snubbed by the NBA.
:cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

That move by Elgin Baylor 50 years ago was quite extraordinary in that era. But it is also rather ordinary by today's standards.

Yep, you would never ever see a 6-3 37 year old white guy, playing 33 mpg, lead the current NBA in apg. Nor a 6-11 injury-prone white stumblebum lead the NBA in bpg in this era. And you would be laughed off of this forum if you even suggested that a 6-8 non-athletic white guy would run away with rpg titles (and in only 35 mpg BTW), in this era. Oh, and can you imagine a white 6-3 starting point guard shooting .368 from the field in this era?

Nope, today's NBA players are all 7-0+ and playing way above the rim. You would never see a 6-6 starting center in this era, much less a 6-9 center being the best at his position. They all have extraordinary range and ball-handling skills (e.g top-tier centers like DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond.)

We have come a long way since the 60's...

[SexSymbol]

I'm very fascinated by overwhelmingly amazing comments by Baylor's peers.
It seems like everybody mentions the guy in a good breath.
From looking at the footage that I've seen from him, the statistics, and comments from peers it seems like the guy is incredibly underrated.

[fpliii]

DeAndre Jordan
To be fair, it really looked like he put it together last year (ppg/rpg/bpg):

Oct 13.0/14.0/2.0 on .579 shooting in 38.3mpg
Nov 9.5/12.7/2.3 on .596 shooting in 35.1mpg
Dec 8.1/14.0/2.3 on .711 shooting in 35.0mpg
Jan 10.6/15.3/2.5 on .664 shooting in 36.6mpg
Feb 13.1/13.5/2.8 on .757 shooting in 37.9mpg
Mar 10.9/13.5/2.5 on .667 shooting in 33.4mpg
Apr 11.4/10.7/2.7 on .745 shooting in 29.0mpg
vs GSW 12.1/15.1/4.0 on .757 shooting in 36.7mpg
vs OKC 6.7/9.5/0.8 on .692 shooting in 30.8mpg

Given the Warriors numbers are a bit inflated because Bogut didn't play, and he was poor defensively against OKC, but I think for what he is (a shot-blocker/intimidator on defense, very solid rebounder, good finisher who doesn't demand touches) he's a pretty good player.

Don't get me wrong, I do get your point, but until last year he was a guy who people would put in the same sentence as a McGee, but under Doc he looked pretty useful within a team concept.

[LAZERUSS]

To be fair, it really looked like he put it together last year (ppg/rpg/bpg):

Oct 13.0/14.0/2.0 on .579 shooting in 38.3mpg
Nov 9.5/12.7/2.3 on .596 shooting in 35.1mpg
Dec 8.1/14.0/2.3 on .711 shooting in 35.0mpg
Jan 10.6/15.3/2.5 on .664 shooting in 36.6mpg
Feb 13.1/13.5/2.8 on .757 shooting in 37.9mpg
Mar 10.9/13.5/2.5 on .667 shooting in 33.4mpg
Apr 11.4/10.7/2.7 on .745 shooting in 29.0mpg
vs GSW 12.1/15.1/4.0 on .757 shooting in 36.7mpg
vs OKC 6.7/9.5/0.8 on .692 shooting in 30.8mpg

Given the Warriors numbers are a bit inflated because Bogut didn't play, and he was poor defensively against OKC, but I think for what he is (a shot-blocker/intimidator on defense, very solid rebounder, good finisher who doesn't demand touches) he's a pretty good player.

Don't get me wrong, I do get your point, but until last year he was a guy who people would put in the same sentence as a McGee, but under Doc he looked pretty useful within a team concept.

Oh, I think Jordan is a good center. But again, he doesn't have any range, and in fact, his team doesn't even have any designed plays for him. And thre are some here (maybe many) who honestly believe he would dominate in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. And yet there were a plethora of similar-sized, and more skilled centers, playing in those eras.

Take a look at the centers of the early to mid-70's in the NBA. Hell, a no name like Neal Walk, who was 6-10 (and likely would measure at 6-11+ in today's NBA) had a 20-12 season. And no one in their right mind would have taken him over the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Hayes, Unseld, McAdoo, Lanier, Cowens, Thurmond, KAJ, Gilmore, and Wilt.

I'm sure you have seen the footage of Willis Reed. He was Zach Randolph long before Randolph was (Reed played PF for several years.) And Kevin Love is a clone of Jerry Lucas. Pistol Pete was everything that Rubio is today, except he was taller, more athletic, and far more skilled.

I have said it before, but there is nothing being done in today's NBA that wasn't being accomplished in the 60's (and I would argue that the best shooters would have been the equal of today's 3pt specialists, as well.)

And I have also stated that the greats of this era...Lebron, Kobe, KD, Dirk, KG, and other's, would have been great in the 60's, as well. But I honestly don't believe that any of them would have been putting up seasons that would have blown away the best of Oscar, Russell, West, Baylor, Barry, Thurmond, Reed, Bellamy, Frazier, and Wilt, either.

[STATUTORY]

The only other guy in history to shoot as many hangtime shots as Elgin, was Jordan of course... Kobe is 3rd.

Here are a few from Jordan - the limit is 10 gifs, but there are literally hundreds more from the goat.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_best_hangtime_probably__86e032ab3379ef21ee0 7d7a493c922cc.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Baseline_Hangtime_Jumps_0208a631ff153e05f91 c5d22f0116056.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/More_Hangtime_from_Jordan_f0fb5275dad27843c3cc9792 b7c5a373.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Much_Elevation_on_doubl_5e7983db33638ec7592 3fbd6ec57675a.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Hangtime_Jumper_on_Ehlo_f1e46c7198411621cd3 2a9b0975872bf.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/No_hangtime_like_Jordans_0dd6db619b8c6a7c785b93425 f5b59da.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Super_Hangtime_Jumpshot_4068bc22668f5d466c0 9f6c775361299.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Monster_Hangtime_vs_Cel_0258c960587084ddc92 3a2b465cbd531.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/hangtime_turnaround_jumper_16e208dbfb2148eba149f19 e14a53d9e.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Fadeaway_Hangtime_VS_En_f2e6935bf43334e8c5c 30c1b2b6489d8.gif


This is a taste of what the goat mid-range game looks like... and this was back when contested, mid-range shots amongst congestion were the norm because the 3-point shot wasn't used to space the floor like today's game, which put downward pressure on efficiency that today's players don't have to deal with (in today's game, contested mid-range shots are considered the worst quality shots and teams run from them like the plague - and the spacing makes it so players don't have to take these shots - it's just an weaker, softer brand of basketball today where guys get better quality shots on average than previous eras).

a lot of it has to do with camera work, notice the camera is never panned out at the end of the jump and always focused on his upper body. gives the illusion that he's jumping longer than he really is