Why is Duncan so highly regarded while Kobe is a "sidekick?"

[stalkerforlife]

First of all, I have Duncan in my top 5-7 players of all time.

However, my question is, why is Kobe punished for being a "sidekick" to Shaq and Duncan is glorified, no matter how he performs in the finals or who wins the finals MVP? One could argue Kobe was certainly no real sidekick, but just as important as Shaq, especially in the closing moments of games and during conference playoffs. I'm guessing the answer will be...

"Duncan anchored the defense." Okay great, but how are we going to deny that Kobe was the best defender during the three-peat? Is anyone really denying that? Kobe was hands down the best perimeter defender in the world during the three-peat.

Th double standard is illogical, totally based upon a hatred for Kobe Bryant.

Kobe is top 5 all time.

[T_L_P]

Is anyone really denying that? Kobe was hands down the best perimeter defender in the world during the three-peat.

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

That was PJAX in 04.

Kobe was only a sidekick for one of his rings though. 01 and 02 are not sidekick rings.

[Real14]

top 5-7:oldlol:

[navy]

Why do you think none of these guys are touching Jordan? Everyone gets punished for sidekick rings. The question is how much.

[riseagainst]

Kobe was only a clear sidekick in 2000. The other two with Shaq were more of a Magic/Kareem type of contribution. Early 80s kareem.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why do you think none of these guys are touching Jordan? Everyone gets punished for sidekick rings. The question is how much.

You just can't beat 6/6 in the Finals.

Plus he has the stats to go with it.

[T_L_P]

top 5-7:oldlol:

Only people who don't have him in or around the top 10 are irrational fans, tbh. People who say everyone else did it for him without any real proof or explanation. In a word: you. :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe was only a clear sidekick in 2000. The other two with Shaq were more of a Magic/Kareem type of contribution. Early 80s kareem.

Oh, I know. I am just going with the hater rhetoric.

[HOoopCityJones]

Only people who don't have him in or around the top 10 are irrational fans, tbh. People who say everyone else did it for him without any real proof or explanation. In a word: you. :oldlol:

TLP confirmed as Duncan's secret Lover his wife was talking about.


Seriously though, **** sidekick one ROLE PLAYER ring in his twilight years and you wanna act like Duncan surpassed Kobe or Shaq.

[dubeta]

Dont't worry I dont discriminate

I consider both to be Sidekicks

[SOD 21]

[QUOTE=T_L_P]

[SouBeachTalents]

Dont't worry I dont discriminate

I consider both to be Sidekicks

Like LeBron was in the 2011 Finals

[navy]

You just can't beat 6/6 in the Finals.

Plus he has the stats to go with it.
The Thing about Jordan's 6/6 is that he was the best player on the team. There was no real debate about it. We never had to try to prop him upby saying who was anchoring the defense or scoring in the clutch or things people use to diminish their teammates to prop up stars. (Both are fair talking points though) Can other top 10 other legends say that? :confusedshrug:

[T_L_P]

TLP confirmed as Duncan's secret Lover his wife was talking about.


Seriously though, **** sidekick one ROLE PLAYER ring in his twilight years and you wanna act like Duncan surpassed Kobe or Shaq.

He was ahead of Kobe with four. Go look at the numbers and help. Duncan did more to win four than Kobe did five. He did it without another player being capable of top 50 status, let alone top 5. He did it with a small-market team that didn't attract free agents, with one of the lowest spending owners in the league. He did it without being someone's number two for half his career, and with a coach who had done nothing before his arrival.

Shaq is another story. If you pick Shaq, fine, but Duncan is now more accomplished and a much better team player.

Then again, you're the one who said the 2010 Lakers were better than the 03 Spurs, which might just be the most ridiculous claim ever.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Thing about Jordan's 6/6 is that he was the best player on the team. There was no real debate about it. We never had to try to prop him upby saying who was anchoring the defense or scoring in the clutch or things people use to diminish their teammates to prop up stars. (Both are fair talking points though) Can other top 10 other legends say that? :confusedshrug:

Hakeem, & maybe Bird

[Real14]

Only people who don't have him in or around the top 10 are irrational fans, tbh. People who say everyone else did it for him without any real proof or explanation. In a word: you. :oldlol:
I know your Duncan stan ass was gonna say something:lol . I just don't think Duncan deserves to be that high, that's all:confusedshrug: maybe number 11, 12, 13,14 or 15.

[HOoopCityJones]

The Thing about Jordan's 6/6 is that he was the best player on the team. There was no real debate about it. We never had to try to prop him upby saying who was anchoring the defense or scoring in the clutch or things people use to diminish their teammates to prop up stars. (Both are fair talking points though) Can other top 10 other legends say that? :confusedshrug:

that's why he's the Goat.

There's too much but and if when you talk about Kobe ,Duncan and Lebron.

[dubeta]

Like LeBron was in the 2011 Finals

u must really hate lebron considering you attack him in every post I make :oldlol:

I guess taking the heat to 4 finals and 2 Rings werent enough for you :facepalm

[SOD 21]

But to answer the original question, Kobe doesn't have that likability factor to many fans who felt that he had a sense of entitlement, arrogance and ruffled many people the wrong way.

For example, he even upset Karl Malone in Kobe Bryant's first All-Star game when Kobe Bryant waved him off while setting a screen because Kobe wanted to go one-on-one against Michael Jordan.

Too many psychotic fans view Kobe as being born with a golden spoon, right or wrong.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was ahead of Kobe with four. Go look at the numbers and help. Duncan did more to win four than Kobe did five. He did it without another player being capable of top 50 status, let alone top 5. He did it with a small-market team that didn't attract free agents, with one of the lowest spending owners in the league. He did it without being someone's number two for half his career, and with a coach who had done nothing before his arrival.

Shaq is another story. If you pick Shaq, fine, but Duncan is now more accomplished and a much better team player.

He was past his prime, but Robinson is a borderline top 25 player

[riseagainst]

u must really hate lebron considering you attack him in every post I make :oldlol:

I guess taking the heat to 4 finals and 2 Rings werent enough for you :facepalm

don't you do the same with Durant and Kobe?

[navy]

Hakeem, & maybe Bird
Bird cant say that.

Hakeem can say it, but he is only at two rings. Hurts his case. :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

u must really hate lebron considering you attack him in every post I make :oldlol:

I guess taking the heat to 4 finals and 2 Rings werent enough for you :facepalm

I don't hate any players, I'm just objective and bring up the good & bad about them, clearly something you're incapable of doing. I bet you don't even think LeBron played poorly in the 2011 Finals

[T_L_P]

He was past his prime, but Robinson is a borderline top 25 player

All-time? Without doubt. Around number 20 for me.

But 98-03 Robinson extrapolated over a whole career? Not top 50.

Shaq, in his peak, is a top 3 all-time player, and Kobe won 60% of his championships with him. Star power is still without doubt the most important thing in this league. :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

I don't hate any players, I'm just objective and bring up the good & bad about them, clearly something you're incapable of doing. I bet you don't even think LeBron played poorly in the 2011 Finals

LeBron played bad but it was all relative to the players

18/7/7 on 47% shooting is great for just about any player, heck its better than whatever wade put up in the finals the last 3 years, but of course it is below what lebron shouldve done

But then again people act like 2011 was just about lebron

In game 4 Wade missed a key freethrow to tie the game with 30 seconds left, and messed up an inbound pass a play later to tie the game, thats flat out inexcuseable but noone brings that up

And wade didnt show up in the elimination Game 6 either

Did wade play better than lebron? Sure, but the difference between the 2 isnt nearly as large as people make it out to be

[HOoopCityJones]

All-time? Without doubt. Around number 20 for me.

But 98-03 Robinson extrapolated over a whole career? Not top 50.

Shaq, in his peak, is a top 3 all-time player, and Kobe won 60% of his championships with him. Star power is still without doubt the most important thing in this league. :confusedshrug:

And how much is the percentage Shaq won without Kobe compared to vise versa? :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

All-time? Without doubt. Around number 20 for me.

But 98-03 Robinson extrapolated over a whole career? Not top 50.

Shaq, in his peak, is a top 3 all-time player, and Kobe won 60% of his championships with him. Star power is still without doubt the most important thing in this league. :confusedshrug:
98-03 D-Rob trained Duncan to fit in that system and follow their father Gregg's instructions to win titles man:coleman:

[Lebronxrings]

Its ISH double standard.

Duncan is the golden boy while kobe and lebron are hated on.



Kobe was a sidekick though.

[navy]

Dumb shit
Honestly you could have just said Lebron has never won where he was putting up "role player/sidekick" type numbers.

[HOoopCityJones]

Honestly you could have just said Lebron has never won where he was putting up "role player/sidekick" type numbers.

Yea, they're called loses. :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

Its ISH double standard.

Duncan is the golden boy while kobe and lebron are hated on.



Kobe was a sidekick though.

And Duncan was even lower on that totem pole in 2014 , a glorified role player. :pimp:

[Lebronxrings]

And Duncan was even lower on that totem pole in 2014 , a glorified role player. :pimp:
we can agree on that :cheers:

[T_L_P]

98-03 D-Rob trained Duncan to fit in that system and follow their father Gregg's instructions to win titles man:coleman:

Can you explain that system?

[dubeta]

OK so the hierarchy for alphas to sidekicks are

1a./1b Jordan 6 rings 6 FMVP LeBron 2 rings 2 FMVP

2. Shaq 4 rings 3 FMVP

3. Duncan 5 rings 3 FMVP

4. Kobe 5 rings 2 FMVP

[navy]

Yea, they're called loses. :roll:
Exactly. :oldlol:

Not all rings are created equal. The reason Kobe gets punished more than Duncan (by some, I actually have them in the same tier) is that he could put up somewhat pedestrian numbers in 2000, and play subpar in the Finals and still win all while playing with Shaquille O Neal who was good for like 30/10 on 60%.

You think he's gonna get Jordan credit for those rings? Please.

[dubeta]

how many players can have a finals average of 40% fg and win 5 rings?

How many players can shoot 6-24 in a Game 7 and still win?

that answers the question

[MastaKilla]

Kobe in 2000 was..

1st team all D
2nd team nba
All star

Averaged 21/5/4 with 1.5 steals & 1.5 blocks per game in the playoffs.

Kobe in the 2000 playoffs averaged more points, assist, STEALS & BLOCKS than Duncan in did in the 2014 playoffs.

[riseagainst]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dubeta again.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe in 2000 was..

1st team all D
2nd team nba
All star

Averaged 21/5/4 with 1.5 steals & 1.5 blocks per game in the playoffs.

Kobe in the 2000 playoffs averaged more points, assist, STEALS & BLOCKS than Duncan in did in the 2014 playoffs.

Exactly.

But Duncan is glorified and Kobe is punished.

[Lebronxrings]

solution: both were sidekicks

They're automatically disqualified from top 5 discussion.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe in 2000 was..

1st team all D
2nd team nba
All star

Averaged 21/5/4 with 1.5 steals & 1.5 blocks per game in the playoffs.

Kobe in the 2000 playoffs averaged more points, assist, STEALS & BLOCKS than Duncan in did in the 2014 playoffs.

Thread.

[navy]

Kobe in 2000 was..

1st team all D
2nd team nba
All star

Averaged 21/5/4 with 1.5 steals & 1.5 blocks per game in the playoffs.

Kobe in the 2000 playoffs averaged more points, assist, STEALS & BLOCKS than Duncan in did in the 2014 playoffs.
All this is solid no doubt.

Shaq averaged 31/15/3 with 2.4 blocks.

That is a sidekick ring. As was Duncan's in 2014. :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

Can you explain that system?
Pop's system man:facepalm you know it:rolleyes:

[T_L_P]

Pop's system man:facepalm you know it:rolleyes:

Obviously you don't, otherwise you would have explained it. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Obviously you don't, otherwise you would have explained it. :lol

:roll:

[Real14]

:roll:
niguhz that's salty and disagree wit me laughing like little school gurlz. that's wassup:lol

[T_L_P]

niguhz that's salty and disagree wit me laughing like little school gurlz. that's wassup:lol

Care to explain it? :oldlol:

[MastaKilla]

TLP

2000 Kobe averaged more points, more assist, more steals and more blocks than Duncan in 2014

You can try to hide behind you advanced "block %" stats but the fact of the matter is 2000 Kobe was significantly better than 2014 Duncan.

2000 Kobe was first team all defense, 2nd team all nba & an all star.

2014 Duncan didnt make an all nba team or an all defensive team nor was he an all star.

[Real14]

TLP

2000 Kobe averaged more points, more assist, more steals and more blocks than Duncan in 2014

You can try to hide behind you advanced "block %" stats but the fact of the matter is 2000 Kobe was significantly better than 2014 Duncan.

2000 Kobe was first team all defense, 2nd team all nba & an all star.
:applause:

[Lebronxrings]

I hate how people act like Duncan is GOAT for winning a ring as a role player. Put any top 7 current PFs and they still win.

[T_L_P]

TLP

2000 Kobe averaged more points, more assist, more steals and more blocks than Duncan in 2014

You can try to hide behind you advanced "block %" stats but the fact of the matter is 2000 Kobe was significantly better than 2014 Duncan.

2000 Kobe was first team all defense, 2nd team all nba & an all star.

[Real14]

I hate how people act like Duncan is GOAT for winning a ring as a role player. Put any top 7 current PFs and they still win.
true story.

[T_L_P]

:applause:

Still nothing? Does that mean you can't explain it and, thus, weren't even old enough to be watching?

[stalkerforlife]

TLP

2000 Kobe averaged more points, more assist, more steals and more blocks than Duncan in 2014

You can try to hide behind you advanced "block %" stats but the fact of the matter is 2000 Kobe was significantly better than 2014 Duncan.

2000 Kobe was first team all defense, 2nd team all nba & an all star.

2014 Duncan didnt make an all nba team or an all defensive team nor was he an all star.

Ether.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe = GOAT #5
Duncan = GOAT #6
It's very close.
Duncan is boring. Kobe is exciting. Duncan puts people to sleep, while Kobe riles people up.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe = GOAT #5
Duncan = GOAT #6
It's very close.
Duncan is boring. Kobe is exciting. Duncan puts people to sleep, while Kobe riles people up.

I can get with Kobe at 5 and Duncan at 6.

[MastaKilla]

[QUOTE=T_L_P]

[dubeta]

Kobe = GOAT Sidekick #5
Duncan = GOAT Sidekick#6
It's very close.
Duncan is boring. Kobe is exciting. Duncan puts people to sleep, while Kobe riles people up.

Kobe is #5 on the All-Sidekick List while Duncan is #6

The List is

Wade
Pippen
Horry
Jason Terry
Kobe
Duncan

[SwayDizzle]

I can get with Kobe at 5 and Duncan at 6.
just to let you know how close it is. if duncan won the FMVP last season, the rankings would be flipped

[jzek]

Kobe = 5 rings, only 2 FMVPs
Duncan = 5 rings, 3 FMVPs

Thus, Kobe is the bigger sidekick since he's been carried in 60% of his total rings.

[T_L_P]

That quote is from 2004 :facepalm

Phil Jackson said that the Spurs title in 99 has an asterik.. So I guess you agree with that too..

And Duncan has won finals series while shooting 9% worse than his regular season averages.

Duncan hasn't even been the best player in a finals series in his past 4 finals.

Duncan won Finals MVP in 05 and Brown, Pop, Manu, Ben Wallace all said he was the reason they won. :facepalm

Duncan was way past it in the past two Finals, but he was the best Spur in 2013. So your whole logic fails there.

[Unstoppabull]

Kobe has more haters.

[r0drig0lac]

The Thing about Jordan's 6/6 is that he was the best player on the team. There was no real debate about it. We never had to try to prop him upby saying who was anchoring the defense or scoring in the clutch or things people use to diminish their teammates to prop up stars. (Both are fair talking points though) Can other top 10 other legends say that? :confusedshrug:
Russell

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe has more haters.

Simple.

Yet true.

[MastaKilla]

Duncan won Finals MVP in 05 and Brown, Pop, Manu, Ben Wallace all said he was the reason they won. :facepalm

Duncan was way past it in the past two Finals, but he was the best Spur in 2013. So your whole logic fails there.

I said he hasn't been the best player in a finals series in his last 4 finals.. 2013, was Lebron.

Duncan was out played by Manu in 05, Parker in 07, wasn't the best player in the series in 2013, choked on a layup that could have won the series & wasn't the best player on his team for the 2014 finals.

And seeing how valuable Phil Jackson's word is to you, since you keep copy and pasting his quotes, Duncan ring in 99 has an **asterik**

[STATUTORY]

People give Duncan's bisexual ass a free hall pass for EVERYTHING. Choking, not repeating, horrendous Olympics, having a b/f on the side, horrendous fashion sense, being labeled GOAT PF when he's a Center. Basically he does no wrong.

didn't he also have his woman step out on his suspect down low @ss?

ain't no cuckold in my top 5, just saying

[riseagainst]

didn't he also have his woman step out on his suspect down low @ss?

ain't no cuckold in my top 5, just saying

:roll:

[T_L_P]

People give Duncan's bisexual ass a free hall pass for EVERYTHING. Choking, not repeating, horrendous Olympics, having a b/f on the side, horrendous fashion sense, being labeled GOAT PF when he's a Center. Basically he does no wrong.


1. Duncan choked in 2004 for sure.

2. Maybe because, before 2013, he never had the clear-cut best team in the league? How can you repeat when your teammates are constantly injured and not even superstars in the first place?

3. Nothing to do with his NBA career, still averaged like 15/10 on 60% shooting whilst being doubled and tripled (go watch some of the footage and see how they played him compared to AI and the others

4/5. :biggums:

There's more proof of Jordan being gay since he obsesses over Pippen's size. :oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

Kobe is top 5 all time.

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[Real14]

Still nothing? Does that mean you can't explain it and, thus, weren't even old enough to be watching?
I told you the answer man, pop's system and you should know pop's system very well by now.

[HOoopCityJones]

didn't he also have his woman step out on his suspect down low @ss?

ain't no cuckold in my top 5, just saying

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[T_L_P]

I told you the answer man, pop's system and you should know pop's system very well by now.


Kid can't even explain a system. No wonder the Knicks are in such a mess. :oldlol:

[Real14]

Kid can't even explain a system. No wonder the Knicks are in such a mess. :oldlol:
You don't even know your own man's system:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

TLP is a fraud.

[rmt]

The claim that Duncan was the best player in only 3 of the 5 championships is false.

Duncan was the Spurs best player in 06-07 (all-nba 1st team, all-defensive 1st team, all-star). Parker didn't make any all-nba team but did get all-star honors.

06-07 regular season
Duncan 20 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 assts / 2.4 blks 54.6%
Parker 18.6 pts / 5.5 assts 52%

07 playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 assts / 3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 assts 48%


Even 2013-14 is close (especially when DEFENSE is taken into account):

13-14 regular season
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 3 assts / 1.9 blks 49%
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 assts 49.9%

14 playoffs
Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 assts / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 assts 48.6%

As far as the role player claim, if Duncan was a role player in 13-14, then ALL Spurs players are role players (even Parker - remember they closed out OKC in the 2nd half of game 6 without TP and he began Finals game 5 going 0-10 but Spurs had a big lead).

[T_L_P]

You don't even know your own man's system:facepalm

Of course I do. It relies on passing until the perfect shot is found.

Now could you explain the 98-05 system? I doubt it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Actually, no, Kobe was not the best defender on the Lakers...

Shaq was, by a good margin... People forget this guy was 2nd on the DPOTY Vote in 2000. He was a huge intimidator around the basket, and had clearly more impact than Kobe on that end, as well.

Duncan = Leader of 4 'Chips
Kobe = Leader of 2 'Chips

[Lebronxrings]

The claim that Duncan was the best player in only 3 of the 5 championships is false.

Duncan was the Spurs best player in 06-07 (all-nba 1st team, all-defensive 1st team, all-star). Parker didn't make any all-nba team but did get all-star honors.

06-07 regular season
Duncan 20 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 assts / 2.4 blks 54.6%
Parker 18.6 pts / 5.5 assts 52%

07 playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 assts / 3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 assts 48%


Even 2013-14 is close (especially when DEFENSE is taken into account):

13-14 regular season
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 3 assts / 1.9 blks 49%
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 assts 49.9%

14 playoffs
Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 assts / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 assts 48.6%

As far as the role player claim, if Duncan was a role player in 13-14, then ALL Spurs players are role players (even Parker - remember they closed out OKC in the 2nd half of game 6 without TP and he began Finals game 5 going 0-10 but Spurs had a big lead).
hi T_L_P

[Real14]

Of course I do. It relies on passing until the perfect shot is found.

Now could you explain the 98-05 system? I doubt it.
Its the same system that works to be contenders every year.

[T_L_P]

Actually, no, Kobe was not the best defender on the Lakers...

Shaq was, by a good margin... People forget this guy was 2nd on the DPOTY Vote in 2000. He was a huge intimidator around the basket, and had clearly more impact than Kobe on that end, as well.

Duncan = Leader of 4 'Chips
Kobe = Leader of 2 'Chips

If you contextualise by positions, Kobe has a case. But the idea that a guard had the bigger impact on the defense than a big, one who protected the rim well no less, is absurd. People don't seem to understand that bigs simply bring more to the table, especially one like Shaq.

[Real14]

Actually, no, Kobe was not the best defender on the Lakers...

Shaq was, by a good margin... People forget this guy was 2nd on the DPOTY Vote in 2000. He was a huge intimidator around the basket, and had clearly more impact than Kobe on that end, as well.

Duncan = Leader of 4 'Chips
Kobe = Leader of 2 'Chips
Kobe= leader of 2 chips and 1b leader of 3 chips
Duncan= leader of 2 chips.

[T_L_P]

Its the same system that works to be contenders every year.

Damn you really are as stupid as your syntax would suggest. You lost this one as soon as you admitted you could't explain how a system works.

Added to ignore. :cheers:

[Real14]

Damn you really are as stupid as your syntax would suggest. You lost this one as soon as you admitted you could't explain how a system works.

Added to ignore. :cheers:
I just told you itz pop's system:biggums:

[Artillery]

Kobe= leader of 2 chips and 1b leader of 3 chips
Duncan= leader of 2 chips.

Boiled down:

5/3/2>>>>5/2/1

Let us proceed.

[HOoopCityJones]

Boiled down:

5/3/2>>>>5/2/1

Let us proceed.

Boiled down:

Duncan = proven **** smoker

Kobe = accused rapist

let us proceed.

[bballnoob1192]

ISH is pretty much define by our double standards to support agendas. Every thread is plague by this mindset, so ISH's basketball opinion is pointless.

[Big#50]

Because ISH is full of dumb ass kids.

[toxicxr6]

God damn threads like this just turn into a Kobe jack off session.. Are all you Kobe stans having fun waving those Kobe glow sticks around in here...

How do you expect other people on the forum to take you seriously at all.. It's embarrassing..

Answering the question in the thread is pointless due to the way you act...

Like 5 year old children throwing up all sorts of rubbish to make people believe Santa clause is real...


Ish voted

#5 Duncan

Nothing you can do at this point will put Kobe ahead of him... Duncan is set in stone above him.. So please just get over it

[dubeta]

BOTH duncan and kobe were sidekicks while LeBron and MJ's were alphas :no:

[rmt]

hi T_L_P

Sorry, I'm not him.

[SexSymbol]

If you have no biases than you probably can't have any of Kobe or Duncan higher than the other.
They're too interchangeble and have different things going for them.
It's really just what you prefer.
Both at 5-6 to me on the top 10