2014 Edition of ISH's All-Time List: #14

[DaSeba5]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/moses-malone/moses-malone-608.jpg

The winner of the thread #13 was Moses Malone.

Current ISH All-Time List:
1. Michael Jordan (#23) - SG.
6x NBA Champion, 6x Finals MVPs, 5x MVPs, 14x All-Star, 10x Scoring Champ, DPOY (1988), ROTY (1985), highest scoring game in playoffs
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (#33) - C.
6x NBA Champion, 2x NBA Finals MVPs, 6x MVPs, 19x All-Star, 2x Scoring Champ, ROTY (1970)
3. Bill Russell (#6) - C.
11x NBA Champion, 5x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star
4. Wilt Chamberlain (#13)- C.
2x NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, 4x NBA MVP, 13x All-Star, 7x Scoring Champ, ROTY (1960), 100 point game
5. Tim Duncan (#21) - PF/C.
5x NBA Champion, 3x NBA Finals MVP, 2x NBA MVP, 14x All-Star, ROTY (1998)
6. Larry Bird (#33) - SF/PF.
3x NBA Champion, 2x NBA Finals MVP, 3x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star, ROTY (1980), Coach of the Year (1998)
7. Magic Johnson (#32) - PG.
5x NBA Champion, 3x NBA Finals MVP, 3x NBA MVP, 12x All-Star
8. Shaquille O'Neal (#32,34,33,36) - C.
4x NBA Champion, 3x Finals MVP, NBA MVP, 15x All-Star, NBA Scoring Champ (95, 00), ROTY (1993)
9. Kobe Bryant (#24)- SG.
5x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, NBA MVP, 16x NBA All-Star, 2x NBA Scoring Champ (06-07)
10. LeBron James (#23, #6)- SF.
2x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 4x NBA MVP, 10x NBA All-Star, NBA Scoring Champ (08), ROTY (04)
11. Hakeem Olajuwon (#34)- C.
2x NBA Champion, 2x Finals MVP, NBA MVP, 12x NBA All-Star, 2x DPOY (93-94)
12. Oscar Robertson (#14, #1)- PG/SG.
NBA Champion, NBA MVP, 12x NBA All-Star, ROTY (1961), Only player to average a triple double for season.
13. Moses Malone (#22, #13, #20, #21, #24, #2, #4, #8)- PF/C.
NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, 3x NBA MVP, 2x ABA All-Star, 12x NBA All-Star

Going to do one once a day.

VOTE COUNT:
Jerry West: 16
Dr.J: 6
Dirk: 2
Mikan: 1
KG: 2
Melo: 1
Webber: 2

[Richesly]

Carmelo Anthony

[JohnFreeman]

Chris Webber

[played0ut]

jerry west

[DaSeba5]

I say the Logo

[r0drig0lac]

Dr. J

[uber]

Jerry West

[StephHamann]

http://i.imgur.com/YSeh2xR.gif

[ShackEelOKneel]

West

[BoutPractice]

Jerry West.

[russwest0]

George Mikan.

[MP.Trey]

http://us.cdn001.fansshare.com/photos/nba/nba-logo-vector-logo-1833981231.jpg

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kevin Garnett...

Mikan is another interesting one. I don't think he'd be very good today...certainly not as good as KG...but how much value does being a "pioneer" hold on these lists? and how much should we hold the rules he played under against him?

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn all the Mikan jokes really made an impact on you guys huh?

Wait for the top 30 to come around to drop his name

[moe94]

Damn all the Mikan jokes really made an impact on you guys huh?

Wait for the top 30 to come around to drop his name

Why then? Why is it so laughable to say him now, but not later? Around 30 is good, yeah?

[Sakkreth]

Julius Erving

[ArbitraryWater]

Why then? Why is it so laughable to say him now, but not later? Around 30 is good, yeah?

Here, seing as you can't really argue, and are basically representing the typical 2012-2014 ish poster, I actually went out and did some Research...

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/89524-george-mikans-historical-standing/

Most of the knowledge Posters who forget more about Basketball than you'll ever know have him 20-30 as well btw..

[russwest0]

Damn all the Mikan jokes really made an impact on you guys huh?

Wait for the top 30 to come around to drop his name

If you're gonna joke about Mikan then you might as well joke about Wilt and Russell.

BTW no Mikan = no Kareem

[SHAQisGOAT]

Julius Erving

[moe94]

Here, seing as you can't really argue, and are basically representing the typical 2012-2014 ish poster, I actually went out and did some Research...

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/89524-george-mikans-historical-standing/

Most of the knowledge Posters who forget more about Basketball than you'll ever know have him 20-30 as well btw..

Ironic how you're trying to call me out on not arguing while linking to other people's OPINIONS. :oldlol:

Explain why you'd have him ranked in the 30s because you don't respect his accomplishments enough to rank him now. Why that arbitrary cutoff point?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The lower down on the list you go the less the gap between the players gets...There really is not a big difference between Nowitzki and David Robinson or Jerry West/Oscar/Baylor/DrJ/Pippen/Havlicek etc....even though i suspect one of those guys gets ranked 20 spots lower than another...

So if you think Mikan can be 20-30 (which i agree with btw..I'll be voting for Dirk/West/KG/etc.. before him) it's not ridiculous to see him at #14...

[Iceman#44]

Jerry West

[aj1987]

Jerry West.

[MrC1991]

Doctor J

[ArbitraryWater]

Ironic how you're trying to call me out on not arguing while linking to other people's OPINIONS. :oldlol:

Explain why you'd have him ranked in the 30s because you don't respect his accomplishments enough to rank him now. Why that arbitrary cutoff point?

First off, why are you highlighting "OPINIONS" ? This is all an Opinion, it's about making the best possible Argument.

Okay so you're still incapable of debating?

In case you didn't know, I made the OP and the Posters below are just a collection of peeps who love to talk Basketball and did their Research on historical stuff...

It's no arbitrary cutoff point... It's just looking at the list and feeling that that's about where he fits... Boy you sure asking a ton of questions, guess that's the best Thing to do when you're completely helpless... More smileys please.

[Richesly]

Why did you not count my vote? I said Carmelo. Respect the ballot please.

[russwest0]

Why did you not count my vote? I said Carmelo. Respect the ballot please.

:no: You need 1000 posts kid

[Richesly]

:no: You need 1000 posts kid

You need one green bar kid.

[wally_world]

Doctor J for me

The Logo is not better :facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

Jerry West.

[Shade8780]

Moses beat the Logo?

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jerry-west.jpg

[Smook A.]

The Logo

[Y2ktors]

Jerry West

[WillC]

Jerry West

Probably the best Finals performer of all-time but, unfortunately, his team could never beat the mighty Celtics dynasty.

Should be above Moses Malone.

[tmacattack33]

julius erving

[pauk]

Jerry West.

[Fudge]

Jerry East

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Dr. J

[kshutts1]

I'll continue with my KG pick.

And a quick response on the Mikan "debate"... He's one of the hardest players to rank, IMO. Only way I can justify a ranking is by looking at Mikan vs peers. But that would make him near GOAT level. Doubt his play holds up, though. That said, I'll never argue for him or Pettit/Cousy/Lucas/Guerin/Arizin in terms of being top 30, though I think they all deserve it. I just wouldn't be able to formulate a legit argument. I'll rank them as far back as I think they could possibly go, and notate that I'm ranking them as low as possible because I don't have the knowledge to rank them higher.

[Mass Debator]

Jerry West.

And tbh, this list isn't so bad. The only "glitch" is Magic and Bird not being top 5.

[Fiddlesticks]

Chris Webber

[ArbitraryWater]

Jerry West.

And tbh, this list isn't so bad. The only "glitch" is Magic and Bird not being top 5.

This list is nothing new.. It's everyone rephrasing the general consensus without making an argument or putting work in their vote.. Nobody is open to new things.

[Dragic4Life]

Oscar and Moses over West.:facepalm

[kshutts1]

This list is nothing new.. It's everyone rephrasing the general consensus without making an argument or putting work in their vote.. Nobody is open to new things.
Not picking on you, though it may feel that way with our Dirk disagreement, but an argument is difficult to make without knowing against whom you're arguing, and we don't know if people did, or did not, put in work. We just know they didn't "show their work", to borrow a math term.

I think it's fair to say that we've all put in the work. By being life-long fans, we've always considered such a question. Rankings/lists are THE discussion point amongst most fans. I've been thinking about my list since I was maybe fifteen.

[Mass Debator]

This list is nothing new.. It's everyone rephrasing the general consensus without making an argument or putting work in their vote.. Nobody is open to new things.
To be fair, the majority hasn't seen a lot of these GOAT players so that's all they could do...assume greatness and look up stats, accolades, discussions, and videos. Word of mouth too.

I for one can't really judge off of videos. I have to see them in real life and if we go by that, J-Kidd is in my top 10 GOAT. I wasn't even legal yet when I saw Jordan live so I can't fairly evaluate his game so tbh, Iverson is way up there in my secret GOAT list...but that list doesn't really matter.

As long as there is a list that the majority can't really argue with, well, that's that...a good enough list. No one's going to believe me when I say Iverson is top 5 all time. And yeah, a lot of these lists are labeled wrong. Some should be like best accolades and stats of all time or best stats and longevity of all time. Greatest is too broad of a term. Dr. J, Magic, Bird, and Jordan are probably the greatest thing that happened to the NBA. And then like Isiah/Bad Boys, Shaq, Reggie, Iverson, Yao, Kobe, and Lebron. Maybe even Linsanity. But greatest...it can mean anything, but in general, I'm sure it means on-court accomplishments.

[stalkerforlife]

Dirk.

[DaSeba5]

Moses beat the Logo?

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jerry-west.jpg

Yah Oscar ran away with it like West is now.

[DaSeba5]

Should I move on?

[DaSeba5]

Huh?

Yea close it up..

It was close, but then by the day's end he was clearly going to win.

[Rolando]

Dr. J. for f