The Cavs have no excuses at all

[juju151111]

Top 5 PG,Top 5 SG,Top top 2 SF,Top 5 OF, and a great center. No way LeBron can choke right?

[KobesFinger]

Top SG?

[Lebronxrings]

kyrie isn't a top 10pg
waiters is no where close to elite
lebron IS the best SF
Love isn't top 5 pf
varejao is old and one of the worst starting centers

[Dragic4Life]

Top 2 SF

Top 2 PG

Top 3 PF

Top 5 Coach

and a great center

Thunder have no excuses at all. No way Durant can choke right?

[russwest0]

I made a thread like this and provided sound reasoning and it got deleted. :lol

[Lebronxrings]

Top 2 SF

Top 2 PG

Top 3 PF

Top 5 Coach

and a great center

Thunder have no excuses at all. No way Durant can choke right?
this.

Add in the thunder has best sixth man reggie jackson, sniper lamb, and defensive juggernaut perkins.

[juju151111]

Top 2 SF

Top 2 PG

Top 3 PF

Top 5 Coach

and a great center

Thunder have no excuses at all. No way Durant can choke right?
What? Coach is garbage, and our center is not great.

[Lebronxrings]

What? Coach is garbage, and our center is not great.
steven adams IS great. Don't make me bump fudge and russwests threads.

Single handedly outcoached pop, rivers, carlisie and phil jackson.

[edrick]

Great center? :rolleyes: That's the main flaw. That and a new coach, and a lack of chemistry.

[juju151111]

Great center? :rolleyes: That's the main flaw. That and a new coach, and a lack of chemistry.
Yes

[Kingwillball]

Top 5 PG,Top 5 SG,Top top 2 SF,Top 5 OF, and a great center. No way LeBron can choke right?


Yeah they do, they are young and inexperienced and experts on ESPN saying they are not even best team in East.. so they have excuses

[Kingwillball]

waiters is no where close to elite
lebron IS the best SF
Love isn't top 5 pf
varejao is old and one of the worst starting centers


:wtf: :biggums:

[Fudge]

Edited:
Top 7 PG
Top 1 SF
Top 2 PF
Top 10 SG

Not to mention Tristan Thompson, Mike Miller, Shawn Marion, Anderson Varejao, amongst others. :biggums: Team is loaded.

[MMM]

The Cavs aren't even favourites in the East and are a completely new team. Even the 11 Heat fell short the first time and were far superior to this cavs team in comparison.

[juju151111]

Edited:
Top 7 PG
Top 1 SF
Top 2 PF
Top 10 SG

Not to mention Tristan Thompson, Mike Miller, Shawn Marion, Anderson Varejao, amongst others. :biggums: Team is loaded.
Who are the 6 PG that's better.

[BuffaloBill]

Edited:
Top 7 PG
Top 1 SF
Top 2 PF
Top 10 SG

Not to mention Tristan Thompson, Mike Miller, Shawn Marion, Anderson Varejao, amongst others. :biggums: Team is loaded.



That's better. But either way, this team is loaded.

[tmacattack33]

Irving being a top 10 PG is up for debate.

Waiters is not a top 5 SG.

Varejao is a good center, not great.


Durant has and has had more help for the past 4 years. Chris Paul has had similar help for the past few years and more help last year. Harden had similar help in Houston the past two years.

[juju151111]

The Cavs aren't even favourites in the East and are a completely new team. Even the 11 Heat fell short the first time and were far superior to this cavs team in comparison.
The Heat team only fell apart because Lebrick choked. How is the 11 Heat have more talent?

[MMM]

What? Coach is garbage, and our center is not great.

Thought you were a Lakers fan or am I mistaking you for some else

[MMM]

The Heat team only fell apart because Lebrick choked. How is the 11 Heat have more talent?

The answer to that question should be self evident, as I said current Cavs aren't even favourites in the East.

[juju151111]

Thought you were a Lakers fan or am I mistaking you for some else
I'm a Bulls fan.

[Kingwillball]

The Cavs aren't even favourites in the East and are a completely new team. Even the 11 Heat fell short the first time and were far superior to this cavs team in comparison.


I disagree, I like the Cavs supporting Cast better

Miller=Miller
Matrix= Battier
Waiters >than Jones whomever else
Thomspon= or > than Haslem
Andy V> than the Garbage Heat had at Center

[JtotheIzzo]

kyrie isn't a top 10pg
waiters is no where close to elite
lebron IS the best SF
Love isn't top 5 pf
varejao is old and one of the worst starting centers

Bran stans already selling out teammates.:roll:

[tpols]

The Cavs aren't even favourites in the East and are a completely new team. Even the 11 Heat fell short the first time and were far superior to this cavs team in comparison.

wouldn't say far superior.. the 11 heat rolled out mike bibby and joel Anthony for large chunks as their pg and C. The cavs don't have any Dwayne wades but they have no glaring weakness at any position.

[Lebronxrings]

:wtf: :biggums:
griffin, aldridge, davis, ibaka, gasol are better

[MMM]

I'm a Bulls fan.

OK yeah
Remember you from when those Rondo/Rose debates were intense. Glad to see Rose back btw.

As for the Cavs I don't see them within the top 5 next season and for all their talent questions will remain on how cohesive they can be.

[Lebronxrings]

Bran stans already selling out teammates.:roll:
in no order:westbrook, rose, cp3, lillard, rondo, dragic, parker, lowry, conley, jackson are all better.

[tpols]

Irving being a top 10 PG is up for debate.

Waiters is not a top 5 SG.

Varejao is a good center, not great.


Durant has and has had more help for the past 4 years. Chris Paul has had similar help for the past few years and more help last year. Harden had similar help in Houston the past two years.

Durant and chris paul play out west.. if you swapped clippers for heat or thunder for heat into the east both would likely have a ring by now.

[JtotheIzzo]

in no order:westbrook, rose, cp3, lillard, rondo, dragic, parker, lowry, conley, jackson are all better.

dumb.

you should host a TV show, American Branstan

[juju151111]

OK yeah
Remember you from when those Rondo/Rose debates were intense. Glad to see Rose back btw.

As for the Cavs I don't see them within the top 5 next season and for all their talent questions will remain on how cohesive they can be.
Meh sometime s Talent is so great you don't even need cohesive. The 04 Lakers were a mess but still made it to the finals. Way too much talent on this team.

[juju151111]

in no order:westbrook, rose, cp3, lillard, rondo, dragic, parker, lowry, conley, jackson are all better.
Stay off the pipe bro.

[PJR]

But LeBron said they ain't ready to win in the letter doe

[Lebronxrings]

whats wrong with my list? Whos irving better than?

[Hoopz2332]

Top 5 PG,Top 5 SG,Top top 2 SF,Top 5 OF, and a great center. No way LeBron can choke right?


GReat center? who are you talking about:oldlol: Kyrie Top5?:lol

[MMM]

wouldn't say far superior.. the 11 heat rolled out mike bibby and joel Anthony for large chunks as their pg and C. The cavs don't have any Dwayne wades but they have no glaring weakness at any position.

The difference in star power shouldn't ignored. Having 2 top 3-5 players makes a world of difference more so than TT being better than Anthony.

[Kingwillball]

griffin, aldridge, davis, ibaka, gasol are better

No they are not griffin is arguable and Davis is really a center but if u consider him a PF yes potentially better cause of defense. Only Davis would I consider as good of a pairing with Lebron cause love perfect with 3 balls rebounding and outlet passing. Gasol is not on loves level anymore if he ever was..

[Kingwillball]

whats wrong with my list? Whos irving better than?

If u think Conley is better than Kyrie u have no business making opinions like they are facts about basketball. And wtf is Jackson please dont tell me backup on OKC ?

[K Xerxes]

It's a great mix of talent, but the problem will be cohesion, lack of playoff experience and, of course, obvious defensive frailties. I expect it to take at least a year for the Cavs to mount a serious challenge at the title. They should make the ECF and maybe finals this year, but I expect them to be soundly defeated by a superior team.


Durant and chris paul play out west.. if you swapped clippers for heat or thunder for heat into the east both would likely have a ring by now.

The best of the east still has to beat the best of the west, so it's kind of a pointless hypothetical.

[Hoopz2332]

Kyrie isn't a top 5 pg. Dude is basically jameer nelson with more flash:oldlol:

Kevin Love is better than Bosh but I don't consider either player a true #1 option winning franchise type player.

[Poetry]

In 2013-2014:

'Bron was the number 3 scorer in the league.

Love was the number 4 scorer in the league.

Kyrie was the number 14 scorer in the league (and he's only 22).

These dudes have more firepower than the Avengers.

[MMM]

Meh sometime s Talent is so great you don't even need cohesive. The 04 Lakers were a mess but still made it to the finals. Way too much talent on this team.

Yeah but 2/3rds of this big 3 have yet to show that they able to win in this league. Not only is their team new but so is the coaching staff. When things get tough in the season they are not going to have the same reference points that the other good teams in the league can.

[K Xerxes]

Anyway, in what world is a 31 year old Varejao a 'great' center. :facepalm:

[JtotheIzzo]

If u think Conley is better than Kyrie u have no business making opinions like they are facts about basketball. And wtf is Jackson please dont tell me backup on OKC ?

Bobby Jackson came to my mind before Reggie Jackson.

Kid is on crack, typical Branstan though, throw everyone else under the bus, haven't even played a game yet and the shit is going down

[Hoopz2332]

Anyway, in what world is a 31 year old Varejao a 'great' center. :facepalm:


exactly:lol

[stalkerforlife]

Once again, Lebron had put himself in a no win situation by stacking his team.

It is sad to see someone with his talent do this.

[Kingwillball]

Bobby Jackson came to my mind before Reggie Jackson.

Kid is on crack, typical Branstan though, throw everyone else under the bus, haven't even played a game yet and the shit is going down

To be fair im a bran supporter and im hyping team up, he could be troll just being annoying.

[Magic 32]

kyrie isn't a top 10pg
waiters is no where close to elite
lebron IS the best SF
Love isn't top 5 pf
varejao is old and one of the worst starting centers

http://www.gizorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/It-has-begun-600x327.jpg

[04mzwach]

Watch the Cavs fans turn on Love if they under perform in the regular season. I don't think it really matters because they're making the playoffs no matter what in the East though. When it really matters in the playoffs, will Love step up his defense though? It's a wide belief that defense is the most important thing in the playoffs. The champions for the past years have had great defense. Do people actually expect this team to win a championship with Love failing on defense time and time again?

[KBaller33]

They're great individually, but I don't know how they will play together and how Kyrie and Love will react to the playoff atmosphere.

[Poetry]

Interesting to see ESPN had Kyrie ranked as the #8 player in the league in October 2013.

I don't think he's that good yet, but he's only getting better.

"Irving, Grant Hill, Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson are the only players in NBA history to average at least 18 points and five assists per game while shooting at least 45 percent from the field in each of their first two NBA seasons."
-- ESPN Stats & Information (@ESPNStatsInfo)

[Roundball_Rock]

Top 5 PG,Top 5 SG,Top top 2 SF,Top 5 OF, and a great center. No way LeBron can choke right?

They have little excuse to not make the Finals. The reason I keep the door open is Blatt may be a bust and the Cavs may not gel. Still, they are the prohibitive favorites to win the East. As far as a title goes, the Clippers, Thunder and Spurs are on par with the Cavs so they aren't title locks. They are a team adding two new players as their best players, adding some other key role players like Miller and bringing in a coach with zero NBA experience. It could take them until 2016 to hit their stride. The Clippers and Thunder have no excuses, though, given their continuity.

[SamuraiSWISH]

As individuals besides LeBron, and maybe AV their defense is crap. We'll see how they play together as a unit. But their starting lineup is filled to the brim with young legs, and offensive talent.

Irving
Waiters
LeBron
K. Love
AV

On paper or NBA2k is YIKES

[dubeta]

Lmao!

This team has no defenders outside of lebron

Lebron and Andy are the only ppl with playoff experiece


The rest of the team are 20 year old playoff virgins

Miami are still the favorites. If Cleveland could just make the playoffs that would be success enought

[J Shuttlesworth]

If Love can step up his defense, they will be the favorites

[Lebronxrings]

To be fair im a bran supporter and im hyping team up, he could be troll just being annoying.
jackson saved durant and westbrooks ass in the playoffs.

Kyrie hasn't proven shit, as he has never been there.

Come on man!

[Beastmode88]

Top 2 SF

Top 2 PG

Top 3 PF

Top 5 Coach

and a great center

Thunder have no excuses at all. No way Durant can choke right?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jlamb47]

Either way Lebron got 2 very very good players on his team
Lebron always will

[mehyaM24]

jackson saved durant and westbrooks ass in the playoffs.

Kyrie hasn't proven shit, as he has never been there.

Come on man!

im a big lebron fan, but lay off the drugs dude.

the cavs with lebron/irving/love/waiters are favorites in the east. no question about it.

[Beastmode88]

So much eventually damage control just incase they lose. :roll:

[bballnoob1192]

lebron stans are pathetic they havn't even played together yet and the stans are already shitting on lebrons teammates. SMH. Love is better than any PF not name aldridge, griffin, and maybe CBosh (we will have to see how he does as the go to guy with the heat). Marc gasol is not a PF btw. pau sucks now. davis is just as inexperience and "empty stats" as love. who else is better than him? and kyrie is behind cp3, lillard, curry, rondo, and westbrook. cuz that's the current elite tier pg after that he is equal or better than guys like dragic, and other starting PGs on playoff teams. AV is prolly better center than joel anthony or whatever the heat had during their run. and dion waiters is a top 10 SG albeit the lower end in the league.

[returnofthemack]

Lmao!

This team has no defenders outside of lebron

Lebron and Andy are the only ppl with playoff experiece


The rest of the team are 20 year old playoff virgins

Miami are still the favorites. If Cleveland could just make the playoffs that would be success enought


Mike miller and James jones have to playoff experience? If they get ray Allen or Marion they can pop those 30 year old playoff Cherries too.

[DaSeba5]

Wow a lot of damage control just in case they lose from LeBron stans in this thread.

[jimmy77x]

ZERO excuses