Tony Stewart hits, kills driver Kevin Ward Jr. in sprint car race

[OncePerMonth]

More blame for Ward for me. He'd still be alive today if he just stayed in his car or near it in the first place.

They are supposed to get out of their car and walk to the field. Pausing for 4 seconds because you are upset (which happens all the time) doesn't mean it is your fault for being run down by a car.

[dude77]

They are supposed to get out of their car and walk to the field. Pausing for 4 seconds because you are upset (which happens all the time) doesn't mean it is your fault for being run down by a car.

if you run into traffic on a race track .. and not just that .. try to engage a car .. the percentage that it's your fault is .. very fkn high

[KNOW1EDGE]

That's a likely scenario, but it's still negligent homicide or manslaughter.

So far it's just an accident. And unless you can prove Stewart's intent or get a confession out of him, that's all this will ever be.

There is no video evidence to convict him of negligent homicide or manslaughter.

[Sarcastic]

So far it's just an accident. And unless you can prove Stewart's intent or get a confession out of him, that's all this will ever be.

There is no video evidence to convict him of negligent homicide or manslaughter.


It's still possible that he may face criminal charges, even without intent.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/08/12/tony-stewart-kevin-ward-jr-crash-death-possible-criminal-charge/13972537/

[Godzuki]

So far it's just an accident. And unless you can prove Stewart's intent or get a confession out of him, that's all this will ever be.

There is no video evidence to convict him of negligent homicide or manslaughter.


people are just giving their opinions tho. people here are acting like mf'ers can't speak and talk about it unless they got definitive proof :facepalm

other thing is a lot of people here don't seem to know much about race car. Hell i don't know much about race car but i know more than a lot of people here it seems....like a lot of people here don't understand what a Caution Flag is which is extremely important to this situation. They also don't get that a lot of drivers have been pissed and been on the track like Ward was in a lot of races so Ward is not the first to do that.

and if you really believe race car drivers can only see a few feet ahead of them, no matter what race car, or how they're always looking down at their dials, then you're gullible as fukk. Stewart saw Ward way before that i'm sure, no doubt in my mind. how/why he got that close is open to interpretation. Ward was VERY visible which is VERY obvious from the video, the track was well lit. There is just a lot of stupidity people are throwing out there or others are buying into which is contrary to whats shown, or common sense...and yes they can handle these cars much better than some are suggesting as well. these guys make a living racing, its all they do....don't underestimate the repetition of things pro's go through to be pro's.

[gts]

They are supposed to get out of their car and walk to the field. Pausing for 4 seconds because you are upset (which happens all the time) doesn't mean it is your fault for being run down by a car.
No they're not.. they're supposed to stay in the car with the belts on until the safety crew shows up. You only get out of the car if it's on fire or you are in danger of being exposed to hot liquids or fuel..

As a matter of fact since this weekend's tragedy four tracks have announced that it will be a violation that's punishable by loss of points or fine to get out of your car unless staying in the car is exposing yourself to danger...

If you do get out of the car you're supposed to go over the wall...

[bagelred]

if you run into traffic on a race track .. and not just that .. try to engage a car .. the percentage that it's your fault is .. very fkn high

Exactly. When Stewart purposely swerved his car right at Kevin Ward, Ward was obviously asking to be killed.

I mean, what was Stewart supposed to do...not kill him? Ward was standing on the track so clearly all bets are off.

[dude77]

Exactly. When Stewart purposely swerved his car right at Kevin Ward, Ward was obviously asking to be killed.

I mean, what was Stewart supposed to do...not kill him? Ward was standing on the track so clearly all bets are off.


we can speculate on whether he intentionally hit him or not .. fact is that running onto a track with speeding cars = yes, you're asking to be killed .. .. I mean, it's about the dumbest shit you can do in that situation .. and now that's all we have .. speculation ..

it's not like stewart was targeting someone idly standing by .. don't run onto the track like a headless chicken and nothing happens

[gts]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/video?vid=&vid=318236739524

[Godzuki]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/video?vid=&vid=318236739524

oh pls...u can give me a 2 inch peephole and thats all i'd be looking thru and seeing 30yds ahead of me to see where every car is at, to take advantage of positioning, wind currents, and win a race.

i used to argue with these rednecks who swore nascar took the top conditioned athletes in sports to drive a race car when i first worked in what i do being a helper to these ignorant mf'ers. these mf'ers exaggerating so much shit, while calling real pro athletes poosies. shit was unreal how much hype they put on race car stuff contrary to reality.

i can multitask in my car hitting Note3 buttons while keeping my eyes on the road because i'm so used to it.

there is so much exaggerated technical BS when its explained in everything its always sort of funny to me vs realistically doing those things.

[Sarcastic]

Looks like that video was made by the Tony Stewart defense team.


All the other drivers on the track saw Ward, but Stewart didn't? You have to remember, he was by the most experienced driver that day. Other drivers that have experience driving those cars have said that he was within view. I would take their word for it over a Fox propaganda video.

[gts]

tom jensen ‏@tomjensen100 52m
Robin Pemberton up: New @nascar rule - drivers are to stay in car unless on fire, smoking, etc.

Pemberton: We

[gts]

http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/sprint-car-champion-and-nascar-crew-chief-weighs-in-on-canandaigua-tragedy

[russwest0]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/video?vid=&vid=318236739524

LMAO, that video was cringeworthy with how obvious their intent was

[Sarcastic]

http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/sprint-car-champion-and-nascar-crew-chief-weighs-in-on-canandaigua-tragedy


I mean you can keep posting propaganda links for Tony Stewart, or you can listen to actual other racers who were on the track that day.


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[DCL]

LMAO, that video was cringeworthy with how obvious their intent was


they clearly had an objective or just made a video for complete morons. they purposely tried to demonstrate the least visible angle possible, like above that b1tch's head from the back. i was surprised they didn't try to show the track visibility from the perspective of her foot. :oldlol:

[gts]

DA says

NY Grand Jury comes back with no evidence to support filing charges against Stewart, 20 plus witnesses, drivers, fans, track officials including 2 forensic accident investigators and 2 from the NY State Police crime lab presented evidence/testimony

Toxicology on Ward showed marijuana in his blood at time of death "at high enough levels to impair judgement"


Video evidence presented by NY State Police shows car swerved after the impact with Ward not before and that Ward had crossed two thirds of the track and onto the driving line

[rufuspaul]

I must have seen a different video than the one shown to the grand jury. In the one I saw Stewart definitely fishtails into Ward. Guess he got lucky with that jury. Pretty sure Ward's family will sue in civil court.

[bagelred]

if you run into traffic on a race track .. and not just that .. try to engage a car .. the percentage that it's your fault is .. very fkn high

Unless of course, someone purposely swerves into. Other than Stewart running over Ward, it was Ward's fault.

"If you don't want to get raped, don't wear a short skirt. She clearly was asking for it." Same thing.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol that idiot got high before he drove that death trap then ran into the middle of the track.

Sure it wasn't coke or meth? That doesn't sound like something I'd do on weed.

[Myth]

I figured he'd get off because it is impossible to determine his intention, but I still believe he clipped him on purpose.

[dude77]

Unless of course, someone purposely swerves into. Other than Stewart running over Ward, it was Ward's fault.

"If you don't want to get raped, don't wear a short skirt. She clearly was asking for it." Same thing.

lol .. it's in no way the same thing .. wtf are you on ? ..

you're running onto a track full of speeding cars in the middle of a fkning race .. it's his fault if he gets hit .. yes, there's a chance that someone may hit him intentionally .. but wtf is looking to hit him intentionally .. he spontaneously ran onto the track .. no one has any idea he's going to run onto the track .. it's 99% his fault .. this is some darwin shit

[bagelred]

lol .. it's in no way the same thing .. wtf are you on ? ..

you're running onto a track full of speeding cars in the middle of a fkning race .. it's his fault if he gets hit .. yes, there's a chance that someone may hit him intentionally .. but wtf is looking to hit him intentionally .. he spontaneously ran onto the track .. no one has any idea he's going to run onto the track .. it's 99% his fault .. this is some darwin shit

It's 99% his fault. The 1% is just Stewart swerving his car purposely into him. Hey, if you don't want someone to purposely hit you with their car, then don't get out of your vehicle.

Ward. :hammerhead:

[dude77]

It's 99% his fault. The 1% is just Stewart swerving his car purposely into him. Hey, if you don't want someone to purposely hit you with their car, then don't get out of your vehicle.

Ward. :hammerhead:


yeah and that 1% is up for debate .. and apparently it's been shut down now .. we don't know if it was intentional .. but the 99% is not debatable and hard fact .. he's a fkn numbnuts for running onto a track full of racing cars .. and that is what mainly contributed to his death .. stay in your car and you're alive right now .. you can troll all you want but that's the reality

[gigantes]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/tony-stewart-not-charged-by-grand-jury-in-death-of-kevin-ward-jr-190047656.html


Tantillo also said that there was no evidence of "aberrational" driving from Stewart before he hit Ward and that it appeared Stewart was driving in a straight line until he hit Ward. Two videos of the accident were used as evidence in the investigation.

"Those videos were examined in detail. They were enhanced. They were run through programs that allow the frames to be isolated," Tantillo said. "They were run at 75, 50 and 25 percent speed. They were overlaid with grids and data and they were pretty important piece of the evidence here.

"The videos did not demonstrate any aberrational driving by Tony Stewart until the point of impact with Kevin Ward, at which his vehicle veered to the right, up the track as a result of the collision. Prior to that his course was pretty straight."

[bagelred]

It's not even debatable. It's like here in New York. When I'm driving and someone is jaywalking in front of me, I speed up and try to hit them. Jaywalking is ILLEGAL and DANGEROUS. F-cking moron. If I kill him, it's 99% his fault. He clearly is ASKING to be killed if he doesn't obey traffic rules. I know I'd be exonerated.

[gigantes]

It's not even debatable. It's like here in New York. When I'm driving and someone is jaywalking in front of me, I speed up and try to hit them. Jaywalking is ILLEGAL and DANGEROUS. F-cking moron. If I kill him, it's 99% his fault. He clearly is ASKING to be killed if he doesn't obey traffic rules. I know I'd be exonerated.
not to mention, pretty slick for you to pick a jaywalker who's high as a kite, then have a grand jury spend a month investigating forensics afterwards and find no actual evidence that you aimed for the poor sap!

bagelred :cheers:

[bagelred]

not to mention, pretty slick for you to pick a jaywalker who's high as a kite, then have a grand jury spend a month investigating forensics afterwards and find no actual evidence that you aimed for the poor sap!

bagelred :cheers:

Exactly. If you purposely run over a HIGH jaywalker, even better. :cheers:

[dude77]

It's not even debatable. It's like here in New York. When I'm driving and someone is jaywalking in front of me, I speed up and try to hit them. Jaywalking is ILLEGAL and DANGEROUS. F-cking moron. If I kill him, it's 99% his fault. He clearly is ASKING to be killed if he doesn't obey traffic rules. I know I'd be exonerated.

lol troll ..

you're on a roll of stupidity .. first you compared this to women getting raped and now comparing cars in street roads and jaywalkers to a high speed race at night time no less, on a race track (where you never have any expectation of there being pedestrations) :facepalm .. what other retarded comparisons do you have for us ?



that 1% is up for debate .. and apparently it's been shut down now .. we don't know if it was intentional .. but the 99% is not debatable and hard fact .. he's a fkn numbnuts for running onto a track full of racing cars .. and that is what mainly contributed to his death .. stay in your car and you're alive right now .. you can troll all you want but that's the reality

[gigantes]

Exactly. If you purposely run over a HIGH jaywalker, even better. :cheers:
weed, then brief NDS, then meets his maker.

sounds like a cool f-cking trip, man.