Are all Pit Bull owners extremely defensive?

[hateraid]

First off, not a Pit Bull hater, but I do fear the breed as I was attacked by a couple.
Generally I find all Pit Bull owners crazy defensive. I have 2 friends on Facebook post about how society is stupid and that Pit Bulls are not a violent breed and will remind people of this every single day. I think if you invest into the breed you come with it's baggage and stop complaining about it everyday! There are hundreds of dog varieties yet these people chose to pick a breed with this rep. You have to deal with it.
Yes there are ignorant people, but people are also entitled to their opinions about this subject.
Thoughts?

[nathanjizzle]

i think its 2 extremes, just like any other political topic. one side is ignorant and blame the dog breed, the other side thinks that pitbulls are equal in temperament to other dogs. The truth is pitbulls are more dangerous than other dogs, they are just built to tear shit apart, but it depends on how the dog was raised if the dog is dangerous or not. my dog isnt a pitt and he was raised with love, and i know hes a good dog, but i wouldnt leave him in a room alone with my nephew or niece. dogs are just wild cards.

[OncePerMonth]

There definitely a negative stereotype about pit bulls out there, so I understand them trying to educate.

[DeuceWallaces]

They can be pretty annoying and you seem pretty wound up in Facebook so it's probably even worse. They're innately aggressive dogs but so are many, many, breeds and it's up to the owners to keep that in check.

[FatComputerNerd]

I think no dog breed is any more innately aggressive than another, assuming it's a domesticated breed.

Aggressive pits were made that way by how they were brought up.

I think there are many parallels of this within humanity, and people who think all pit bulls are bad are innately racist!

[OncePerMonth]

They can be pretty annoying and you seem pretty wound up in Facebook so it's probably even worse. They're innately aggressive dogs but so are many, many, breeds and it's up to the owners to keep that in check.

I think this is incorrect. They innately strong, and therefore more frequently trained to be aggressive compared to other dogs.

[DeuceWallaces]

I think no dog breed is any more innately aggressive than another, assuming it's a domesticated breed.

Agressive pits were made that way by how they were brought up.

I think there are many parallels of this within humanity.


Well that's not true. Many have been bred over centuries and hundreds of generation for aggressive behavior.

[BrownEye007]

My cousin has a pit bull and its one of the nicest dogs I've ever met.

[MadeFromDust]

Yes.

They always trying to say their pit bullies are so sweet and lovable when we all know they attack more humans and other animals on the regular and with more ferocity.

[nathanjizzle]

My cousin has a pit bull and its one of the nicest dogs I've ever met.

this is the reason for their volatile temperament. they are one of the most loyal dog breeds, but if they are mistreated, the same characteristic that makes them loyal turns into one that makes them aggressive and dangerous. they are awesome dogs, respect and love them they will return it 2 fold. mistreat them and abuse them they will return the favor.

[FatComputerNerd]

this is the reason for their volatile temperament. they are one of the most loyal dog breeds, but if they are mistreated, the same characteristic that makes them loyal turns into one that makes them aggressive and dangerous. they are awesome dogs, respect and love them they will return it 2 fold. mistreat them and abuse them they will return the favor.

This is true amongst dogs, humans, and most sentient species, regardless of "breed".

[NumberSix]

i think its 2 extremes, just like any other political topic. one side is ignorant and blame the dog breed, the other side thinks that pitbulls are equal in temperament to other dogs. The truth is pitbulls are more dangerous than other dogs, they are just built to tear shit apart, but it depends on how the dog was raised if the dog is dangerous or not. my dog isnt a pitt and he was raised with love, and i know hes a good dog, but i wouldnt leave him in a room alone with my nephew or niece. dogs are just wild cards.
Not really. A German shepherd has a stronger bite than a pitbull. Pitulls just get a lot of negative attention for no good reason.

[DeuceWallaces]

Not really. A German shepherd has a stronger bite than a pitbull. Pitulls just get a lot of negative attention for no good reason.

Yes really. They have phenomenal jaw strength and their skin folds are essentially armor against retaliation. They're aggressive breeds and are involved in a lot of incidents when not properly trained.

[hateraid]

Not really. A German shepherd has a stronger bite than a pitbull. Pitulls just get a lot of negative attention for no good reason.
Who would you take in a dog fight?

[DeuceWallaces]

Who would you take in a dog fight?

I'll take the one bred for dog fighting.

[FatComputerNerd]

My Chow Chow who passed away a few years ago would have given any Pit a run for his/her money.

She was a sweetie though, and would never have wanted to fight in the first place.

Ironically Chows are considered to be another aggressive breed, but mine wouldn't have hurt a fly unless she had to.

[hateraid]

I'll take the one bred for dog fighting.
And if they both were?

[DeuceWallaces]

Chows are really aggressive. Mine hates other dogs. Lots of people don't know their dog is dog-aggressive because they never get them close enough to others.

My step mom had one that started a fight with our 80lbs Dalmatian and got herself killed.

[~primetime~]

I think no dog breed is any more innately aggressive than another, assuming it's a domesticated breed.

you don't know much about dogs...

[~primetime~]

One of my closest friends is a pit owner and breeder, he is extremely proud of his dog and enters it in competitions and such. I am like you hateraid, I don't like pits around me they make me nervous. When I am around his dog I tell him "keep that fckin thing away from me" and he just laughs and doesn't get defensive about it at all.

I also have an in-law with a pit who I was just hanging out at a lake house with, whenever the pit came around my son I would pick my son up and get inbetween them. he would say "oh he's harmless you don't have to worry". I don't care though, not taking chances, that pit attacks my son and I am not sure there is much I could do about it. My son punches everything too.

[FatComputerNerd]

nurture vs nature

I think nurture factors in more, at least when it comes to raising dogs.

Nature is overrated.

[FatComputerNerd]

One of my closest friends is a pit owner and breeder, he is extremely proud of his dog and enters it in competitions and such. I am like you hateraid, I don't like pits around me they make me nervous. When I am around his dog I tell him "keep that fckin thing away from me" and he just laughs and doesn't get defensive about it at all.

I also have an in-law with a pit who I was just hanging out at a lake house with, whenever the pit came around my son I would pick my son up and get inbetween them. he would say "oh he's harmless you don't have to worry". I don't care though, not taking chances, that pit attacks my son and I am not sure there is much I could do about it. My son punches everything too.

Sounds like your friend's pits were raised and trained to be aggressive fighters.

That could be done with any breed really. More people are bitten every year by chihuahuas and goldens than by pits.

[DeuceWallaces]

I can't believe how ignorant people in this thread are about breed behaviors and tendencies.

Pits, Rotties, Chows, Mastiffs, they're all very aggressive dogs. Bred over centuries to be aggressive. It's in their DNA; there's no denying it. Other breeds can be dangerous because of their mix of intelligence and skittishness; essentially being very aware of their surroundings and are easily spooked like aussies, collies, healers, weimaraners, etc.

It can all be avoided with proper training and care, but it doesn't change the fact that there are innate behavioral differences among breeds. It's the whole point of breeding to begin with.

[DeuceWallaces]

One of my closest friends is a pit owner and breeder, he is extremely proud of his dog and enters it in competitions and such. I am like you hateraid, I don't like pits around me they make me nervous. When I am around his dog I tell him "keep that fckin thing away from me" and he just laughs and doesn't get defensive about it at all.

I also have an in-law with a pit who I was just hanging out at a lake house with, whenever the pit came around my son I would pick my son up and get inbetween them. he would say "oh he's harmless you don't have to worry". I don't care though, not taking chances, that pit attacks my son and I am not sure there is much I could do about it. My son punches everything too.

I don't think I'd ever let a child around a pit or other aggressive breed if they're not part of the inner family; like they live with the dog or are around the dog 2-4 days a week.

I put our chow outside when we're at my nephew's just because I can see her getting agitated with the noise and commotion of the little human.

[~primetime~]

nurture vs nature

I think nurture factors in more, at least when it comes to raising dogs.

Nature is overrated.

There isn't much nature involved here unless you are talking about wolf or coyote. These dogs are man made, and some are made to be aggressive.

Doesn't matter though even if this was nature there are breeds of animals more or less aggressive than other breeds.

[NumberSix]

nurture vs nature

I think nurture factors in more, at least when it comes to raising dogs.

Nature is overrated.
Dogs are man-made species. There is not nature in the equation.

[FatComputerNerd]

Mankind is part of nature.

[hateraid]

Sounds like your friend's pits were raised and trained to be aggressive fighters.

That could be done with any breed really. More people are bitten every year by chihuahuas and goldens than by pits.

But more fatal attacks are done by pit Bulls. http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog+attack+stats+with+breed+2012.pdf

[NumberSix]

Mankind is part of nature.
And?

[~primetime~]

Saying there are more bites by chihuahuas, etc than pits is pointless, for all I know there are 100x more chihuahua owners than pit owners out in the world.

[Riley Martin]

I can't believe how ignorant people in this thread are about breed behaviors and tendencies.

Pits, Rotties, Chows, Mastiffs, they're all very aggressive dogs. Bred over centuries to be aggressive. It's in their DNA; there's no denying it. Other breeds can be dangerous because of their mix of intelligence and skittishness; essentially being very aware of their surroundings and are easily spooked like aussies, collies, healers, weimaraners, etc.

It can all be avoided with proper training and care, but it doesn't change the fact that there are innate behavioral differences among breeds. It's the whole point of breeding to begin with.

This. I can't believe people deny these differences.

[FatComputerNerd]

And?

And what?

Are you asking me a question?

[hateraid]

All in all I'm not attacking the breed. Of course in most cases it's not their fault.
What I'm saying is the owners CHOSE that specific breed full well knowing the consequences yet act surprised when they get treated the way they expected.

If you're going to commit to that breed you are investing into it's reputation as well.

[hateraid]

I can't believe how ignorant people in this thread are about breed behaviors and tendencies.

Pits, Rotties, Chows, Mastiffs, they're all very aggressive dogs. Bred over centuries to be aggressive. It's in their DNA; there's no denying it. Other breeds can be dangerous because of their mix of intelligence and skittishness; essentially being very aware of their surroundings and are easily spooked like aussies, collies, healers, weimaraners, etc.

It can all be avoided with proper training and care, but it doesn't change the fact that there are innate behavioral differences among breeds. It's the whole point of breeding to begin with.

I find the people most ignorant to these facts are the owners of the breeds themselves

[FatComputerNerd]

My Chow Chow (MSRIP) in her younger years, having a snooze

http://i61.tinypic.com/25pjozr.jpg

[kenuffff]

first off pit bulls are not an officially recognized breed of dog. so what a pitbull is exactly varies. it's basically some mutt of a "bull" breed. that being said there are some people devoted to finding homes for these dogs after morons buy them and neglect them. i'd say those people have a right to be defensive. then you have what i'd call the generalized pitbull owner. they bitch and moan about not understanding why the dog has a bad reputation in one breath, then the next thing out of their mouth will be something about "man she'll tear someone up if they mess with me!" "watch out he's vicious if you mess with him" . they also may have some dog fighting type crap at their home like a rope swing for the dog to swing around by its jaws to demonstrate how bad ass of a non-existent breed of dog they have. then you have the 3rd owner , this is what i'd label the small level drug dealer pet owner, they have some extra cash from selling their wares, and buy up some dog because "it's a rednose from a long line of fighting pitts", basically they got scammed out of thousand bucks, they'll tie this dog up to a tree, probably neglect it,maybe even try to fight it, use it to ward off anyone robbing them etc. most dogfighting and the drug trade go hand and hand. most of these dogs end up with owner #1 in the end once the owner goes to jail or gets sick of the dog. in short pittbulls are a non-existent breed of dog so its impossible to know the temperment of the breed since it doesn't exist, so any speculation of it is stupid. in the 80s you had the doberman, everyone had one of those, then you had the rockweiller in the 90s, now you have the pittbull. if you want a dog for protection a mastiff is probably what you want as they were bred to kill and capture men, even a german shepard is better than a mongoloid pitbull that you have no base for its intelligence or aptitude in whatever skill you're looking for.

[kenuffff]

I can't believe how ignorant people in this thread are about breed behaviors and tendencies.

Pits, Rotties, Chows, Mastiffs, they're all very aggressive dogs. Bred over centuries to be aggressive. It's in their DNA; there's no denying it. Other breeds can be dangerous because of their mix of intelligence and skittishness; essentially being very aware of their surroundings and are easily spooked like aussies, collies, healers, weimaraners, etc.

It can all be avoided with proper training and care, but it doesn't change the fact that there are innate behavioral differences among breeds. It's the whole point of breeding to begin with.

pitbull is not a breed of dog, it's a "type" of dog at best. so there is no basis for how aggressive , how intelligent etc , or what skills its suited for, mastiffs have been bred for 1000s of years, comparing a mutt to that is ridiculous. that's why pitbulls end up hurting so many people they vary so tremendously.

[hateraid]

pitbull is not a breed of dog, it's a "type" of dog at best. so there is no basis for how aggressive , how intelligent etc , or what skills its suited for, mastiffs have been bred for 1000s of years, comparing a mutt to that is ridiculous. that's why pitbulls end up hurting so many people they vary so tremendously.

On that same premise you know what you are getting. Nobody is actively going out and getting a mutt.
Also loved your previous post. Great input

[Cactus-Sack]

Yes, yes they are.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Pit Bulls truly scare me. I like german sheps out of all the big type of dogs.

[dunksby]

I own a GSD, she is 4 months old and been with me since she was 7 weeks. She is a hyper pup and wants to bite everything (she has slowed down a lot now that her teeth are mostly out) but it's just puppies being puppies. As far as aggressive behavior she has shown none even under intense obedience training. She never barks randomly, I have heard hear bark on few occasions mostly during play-time with other puppies.
Dogs are pack animals and they have to know who the alpha of the pack is, if their masters are not fit enough they take control of the pack and that's when all the aggressive behavior issues set in. People think dogs only need love while what they really need is security and belonging to a pack with a strong pack leader. As long as you have the respect of your dog it will never do something you don't favor.

[~primetime~]

pitbull is not a breed of dog, it's a "type" of dog at best. so there is no basis for how aggressive , how intelligent etc , or what skills its suited for, mastiffs have been bred for 1000s of years, comparing a mutt to that is ridiculous. that's why pitbulls end up hurting so many people they vary so tremendously.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier

The American Pit Bull Terrier is the breed being discussed here

[masonanddixon]

I hate pit bulls. I think they should all be killed or banned in Queensland as the state is the habitat to much wildlife and pitbulls/dogs are their greatest threat. It's amazing how much damage we inflict upon the environment.

They aren't native here and don't belong here.

[PHX_Phan]

I could care less what dog people want to own, but what pisses me off are the ones who let their big ass 100lb dog free roam with no restraint. That's great that you trust your dog. I don't. Keep that shit on a leash.

[tomSR.]

Chows are really aggressive. Mine hates other dogs. Lots of people don't know their dog is dog-aggressive because they never get them close enough to others.

My step mom had one that started a fight with our 80lbs Dalmatian and got herself killed.

RIP to your step mom

[oh the horror]

Pits aren't even the highest in terms of aggressive breeds out there. WTf are some of you talking about?

[hateraid]

Pits aren't even the highest in terms of aggressive breeds out there. WTf are some of you talking about?
Pit owner?

[oh the horror]

Pit owner?


No. I have a dachshund.


Grandparents have a pit and he's a big goofy dog.


He attacks critters that comes into the yard but he's no more aggressive than my wiener dog.


Difference is he's about 10 times larger so I'm sure he can do more damage but that doesn't mean he's MORE aggressive than other breeds out there.

[Swaggin916]

OP afraid of a dog :facepalm

[ace23]

Dogs are man-made species. There is not nature in the equation.
Man didn't make dogs. What?

[hateraid]

No. I have a dachshund.


Grandparents have a pit and he's a big goofy dog.


He attacks critters that comes into the yard but he's no more aggressive than my wiener dog.


Difference is he's about 10 times larger so I'm sure he can do more damage but that doesn't mean he's MORE aggressive than other breeds out there.

I figured you were taking a more subjective stance.
Regardless of it may or may not be the most aggressive dog fact is they ARE bred to be an aggressive type dog. They were bred to bait bulls and bears. And regardless if your dachshund is just as aggressive, Pits have the actual tools to do damage. What's more dangerous, an angry little person with a butter knife or a less angry wrestler with a bat?
Also the fact that by far more than any other breed have been reported for fatal attacks. It carries a reputations.
This is not chastising your grandparents for owning the breed, but again, you have to live with it's reputation once you decide to own the dog.

[GimmeThat]

if you could tell me how those unagressive dog survived for centuries


how are cats even still around?

[NumberSix]

if you could tell me how those unagressive dog survived for centuries


how are cats even still around?
What r u asking?

[Graviton]

I figured you were taking a more subjective stance.
Regardless of it may or may not be the most aggressive dog fact is they ARE bred to be an aggressive type dog. They were bred to bait bulls and bears. And regardless if your dachshund is just as aggressive, Pits have the actual tools to do damage. What's more dangerous, an angry little person with a butter knife or a less angry wrestler with a bat?
Also the fact that by far more than any other breed have been reported for fatal attacks. It carries a reputations.
This is not chastising your grandparents for owning the breed, but again, you have to live with it's reputation once you decide to own the dog.
Regardless if African-Americans may or may not be the most aggressive human, the fact is they were bred to be aggressive and tough workers. They were bred to carry heavy loads and work in farms without rest. Regardless if your feisty asiancousin is just as aggressive, African-Americans have the actual tools to do damage. What's more dangerous, an angry little asian person with a butter knife or a less angry 6'5 black man with elite athleticism and a bat?

And by far more than any other race have been reported for violent crimes and fatal attacks. It carries a reputation. This is not chastising your grand gran grandparents for owning slaves, but again you have to live with the reputation once you decide to have a black friend.

[GimmeThat]

What r u asking?

I've played with tall people who were absolutely sh*t at basketball

[ace23]

I've played with tall people who were absolutely sh*t at basketball
Are you drunk?

[GimmeThat]

Are you drunk?

nah, I just think lions and cheetas make great pets.

like... if I get to have them when they were born of course.

[hateraid]

Regardless if African-Americans may or may not be the most aggressive human, the fact is they were bred to be aggressive and tough workers. They were bred to carry heavy loads and work in farms without rest. Regardless if your feisty asiancousin is just as aggressive, African-Americans have the actual tools to do damage. What's more dangerous, an angry little asian person with a butter knife or a less angry 6'5 black man with elite athleticism and a bat?

And by far more than any other race have been reported for violent crimes and fatal attacks. It carries a reputation. This is not chastising your grand gran grandparents for owning slaves, but again you have to live with the reputation once you decide to have a black friend.

Nice play on it, but picking a pet and choosing your friends are 2 completely different things.
Pit owner I presume?

[Graviton]

Nice play on it, but picking a pet and choosing your friends are 2 completely different things.
Pit owner I presume?
Nah I don't own any dogs, just using information without any context is misleading.

Dogs, just like humans, aren't born violent or aggressive. They are just products of their environment, as puppies they are blank paper whose tendencies and personalities are formed based on their external experiences. So if a dog has an ignorant and violent owner, he will have the same qualities. Even if certain dogs are bred to be aggressive, doesn't mean they are automatically violent no matter what. The way their owners raise and train them has more impact on them than their breeding history.

Issue with pitbulls is the fact lot of their owners are dipshits that watched too much TV and think they are badasses for owning them, so they treat them like a toy instead of an actual living creature that requires care and nurturing. You can't blame the dog for its nature when they are affected by circumstances out of their control. Same way you can't blame kids in the hood for selling drugs when they have no dads, positive role models or opportunities.

You seem to be basing your assumptions on personal experiences and applying it to the vast majority. That's like me asking "Are all black parents terrible" after I get robbed by someone's kid.

[LJJ]

A horse is a horse.

They own these fighting dogs that are incredibly powerful, aggressive and have a reputation of grievously injuring people because...that's what appeals to them.

They know most people are not okay with owning a dog breed specifically because you love that aggressive implication, hence the excessive apologism.

[hateraid]

Nah I don't own any dogs, just using information without any context is misleading.
Out of context? Everything in that post was based on facts that were even presented in this very thread
Pitbull were bred to bait Bulls:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
Pitbulls do have the most reported dog attacks: http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog+attack+stats+with+breed+2012.pdf
Pitbulls are more physically imposing than a Dachshund.
How is that out of context?


Dogs, just like humans, aren't born violent or aggressive. They are just products of their environment, as puppies they are blank paper whose tendencies and personalities are formed based on their external experiences. So if a dog has an ignorant and violent owner, he will have the same qualities. Even if certain dogs are bred to be aggressive, doesn't mean they are automatically violent no matter what. The way their owners raise and train them has more impact on them than their breeding history.

I'd suggest to follow this thread a little closer


Issue with pitbulls is the fact lot of their owners are dipshits that watched too much TV and think they are badasses for owning them, so they treat them like a toy instead of an actual living creature that requires care and nurturing. You can't blame the dog for its nature when they are affected by circumstances out of their control. Same way you can't blame kids in the hood for selling drugs when they have no dads, positive role models or opportunities.

That is actually stereotyping and out of context. Not all Pitbull owners are like that.
As for the bolded would you still choose not to hang around these individuals? If not then you are lending yourself the the opposing argument.


You seem to be basing your assumptions on personal experiences and applying it to the vast majority. That's like me asking "Are all black parents terrible" after I get robbed by someone's kid.

Despite my own personal experience I never discriminated against owning the breed at all. The only thing I am presenting is that owners generally jump to the defensive full well knowing what they are buying into.

[Graviton]

1) It's out of context because you are focusing on pure stats without taking into account the owner or their environment, I can do the same. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/time-young-black-men-murder-14-times-more-than-young-white-men/)Does this mean all black men are inherently more violent and dangerous?


"Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are human aggressive by nature.
Fact: Studies by the Center for Disease Control have proven that no one breed of dog is inherently vicious. The CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, NOT breed, is the number one cause of dog bites.

Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are inherently vicious.
Fact: No more vicious than Golden Retrievers, Beagles, or other popular

[GimmeThat]

what you ought to rephrase it

is "Are all Pit Bull owners familiar with the environment of aggressiveness in nature?"

[niko]

Nah I don't own any dogs, just using information without any context is misleading.

Dogs, just like humans, aren't born violent or aggressive. They are just products of their environment, as puppies they are blank paper whose tendencies and personalities are formed based on their external experiences. So if a dog has an ignorant and violent owner, he will have the same qualities. Even if certain dogs are bred to be aggressive, doesn't mean they are automatically violent no matter what. The way their owners raise and train them has more impact on them than their breeding history.

Issue with pitbulls is the fact lot of their owners are dipshits that watched too much TV and think they are badasses for owning them, so they treat them like a toy instead of an actual living creature that requires care and nurturing. You can't blame the dog for its nature when they are affected by circumstances out of their control. Same way you can't blame kids in the hood for selling drugs when they have no dads, positive role models or opportunities.

You seem to be basing your assumptions on personal experiences and applying it to the vast majority. That's like me asking "Are all black parents terrible" after I get robbed by someone's kid.

You're a little too far to one direction. Dogs do have tendencies, some breeds are more violent than others. (Some are smarter, some are dumber, etc.) I'd be cautious around pit bulls because the fact is they have violent tendencies so they need to have owners who treat them well and train them not to be like that. And most dog owners don't. Plus the size has to be taken into account, they are big and strong. An angry toy poodle is not a threat.

But i think acting like pit bulls are the same as any other dog is a bit of a stretch. They need good owners, and most dog owners suck. Pit Bulls are smart, so a well trained pit bull is a great soft spoken dog. I had a yorkie (tiny thing) and this pit bull in the park was in love with her and scared the **** out of her (size wise) so he followed her slowly, lied down, brought her toys, crawled as to not be too big to be threatening, etc. But that's a good owner. Good dog owners aren't the rule.

[PHX_Phan]

On que, people miss the point entirely.

Aggressiveness doesn't matter. A Pomeranian is probably more aggressive than a Pit, but wtf can a Pomeranian do to an adult other than bite at your ankles? Pits and other typical fighting breeds also tend to attack things a lot different. A Pomeranian will typically be aggressive until they no longer feel threatened. Pits are known to latch on to something and shake until it stops moving during an attack. Huge difference between breeds and the way they attack.

Pit bulls are basically a step below having a Tiger for a pet. It may be docile and not aggressive at all, but if it ever decided to snap it will kill something or someone in seconds. The stats are pretty staggering. Pits account for the majority of all reported dog fatalities while a lot of other breeds never make the list.

[Crown&Coke]

Are they defensive? yes, their dogs are being banned from certain areas. I think it was Mark Buehrle, when got dealt to Toronto had to leave his dog because they are banned there. But Facebook nutjobs are not known for their brilliance. they are idiots.

I had one, sweetest thing ever. Huge and clumsy. Only issues we had with him were excessive slobber, unaware of how strong he was (he would almost knock me over after seeing me after work just be running into my leg) and he would purposely knock your beer over to lap it up if you had it sitting on the ground.

He was a house dog until I got new carpet. My baby nephew would pull on his face and ears. Smack him in the face, and the boy just took it.

The only time he showed any aggression towards someone he met was when my bro in law yelled at my sister. He got up and growled and stepped in between the two, he did the same when I yelled at her, and he is my dog (granted my sister loves him and sees him all the time.) That boy was one of the loves of my life. I cried my eyes out in the shower for an hour when he passed.

A German Sheppard can snap as quickly as a pit. My brother's neighbor taught his to be a straight up killer (but he controls his dog). Owners are the culprits. Idiots should not be allowed to have shit they can't handle.

[ItsMillerTime]

Pitbull owner here. I do get defensive when people automatically judge me or my dog just because of his breed. I've had him since he was a puppy, he's been raised right and has never attacked any person or other animal. He's even got loose a couple times in the neighborhood, didn't attack anyone. He lives with 2 other dogs and 2 cats, and the only problem I've seen with the other dogs is during feeding time. But most dogs are defensive about their food, anyway.

99% of pitbull problems can be traced back to the owner.

[boozehound]

They can be pretty annoying and you seem pretty wound up in Facebook so it's probably even worse. They're innately aggressive dogs but so are many, many, breeds and it's up to the owners to keep that in check.
this. I do agree that the owners tend to be extremely defensive of the breed. And generally refuse to acknowledge that they have been bred to be aggressive. Now, some of the nicest dogs I have known were pits (or at least partial pits) and the owner plays a big role in that.

[hateraid]

1) It's out of context because you are focusing on pure stats without taking into account the owner or their environment, I can do the same. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/time-young-black-men-murder-14-times-more-than-young-white-men/)Does this mean all black men are inherently more violent and dangerous?


"Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are human aggressive by nature.
Fact: Studies by the Center for Disease Control have proven that no one breed of dog is inherently vicious. The CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, NOT breed, is the number one cause of dog bites.

Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are inherently vicious.
Fact: No more vicious than Golden Retrievers, Beagles, or other popular “family” dogs. In a recent testing done by The American Canine Temperament Testing Society (ATT), pit bulls achieved a passing rate of 83.9%, passing 4th from the highest of 122 breeds. That’s better than Beagles, passing at 78.2 and Golden Retrievers passing at 83.2%. The average passing rate for ALL breeds is 77%."


2) Stereotyping would be me not wanting to hang around any black people/pitbulls just because certain statistics tell me they are more dangerous. You can't just judge humans/dogs based on your preconceived notions about them.


3) Your question after each response was "Pitbull owner I assume?". :oldlol:

It's pretty clear you already made up your mind, nothing anyone says will change it.

Yes I have had a personal experience but it has little do do with why I created this thread, since I have yet to discriminate anyone from owning a Pitbull.
I presumed you owned one because you reacted as any defensive Pitbull owner does by going to an extreme to prove a point. If by asking you got you defensive it wasn't my intentions so I apologize for that. But you did assume I was some ignorant Pitbull hater.
I have two friends that own Pitbulls and I have not disowned them as friends nor have I ever told them they shouldn't own one. What bothers me is the fact that they constantly have to remind the world how lovable their dogs are and how ignorant the world is. They knew the consequences of getting one and completely ignore the facts like all the facts being pointed out in this thread. When you make life decisions knowing full well the reprocutions you have to suck it up and live with it instead of spewing it back.

[hateraid]

[QUOTE=Graviton]
Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are inherently vicious.
Fact: No more vicious than Golden Retrievers, Beagles, or other popular

[NumberSix]

1) It's out of context because you are focusing on pure stats without taking into account the owner or their environment, I can do the same. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/time-young-black-men-murder-14-times-more-than-young-white-men/)Does this mean all black men are inherently more violent and dangerous?
Yes. :hammerhead:

[~primetime~]

Comparing the natural aggressive behavior of different breeds of animal is not the same as comparing different races of humans.

If you were to look at animals in nature, where they have no owner to train them to act a certain way, you would see a whole array of aggression levels. No one taught wolves to act aggressive...

[boozehound]

Man didn't make dogs. What?
While I recognize that you are a dumbass, surely you know that dogs are not a natural species, but a type (many types) of domesticated wolves? In other words, they were a species created by artificial selection.


Also, for those comparing pits to shit dogs like smaller terriers (which are super aggressive as well), the real comparison should be to breeds like labs, pyrenees, standard poodles, etc. You know, dogs of a comparable size?

[LJJ]

Pitbull owner here. I do get defensive when people automatically judge me or my dog just because of his breed. I've had him since he was a puppy, he's been raised right and has never attacked any person or other animal. He's even got loose a couple times in the neighborhood, didn't attack anyone. He lives with 2 other dogs and 2 cats, and the only problem I've seen with the other dogs is during feeding time. But most dogs are defensive about their food, anyway.

99% of pitbull problems can be traced back to the owner.

See, you are the irresponsible owner everybody hates. It's like letting your 8 year old kid play on the street with a real gun.

"But but but, he's raised right. He didn't even hurt anyone this time"

It's a damn pitbull. It could kill a child no matter how well it's raised. It's too big and powerful to just let escape and roam around freely. What if a 10 year old pokes it in the eye?

[boozehound]

Nah I don't own any dogs, just using information without any context is misleading.

Dogs, just like humans, aren't born violent or aggressive. They are just products of their environment, as puppies they are blank paper whose tendencies and personalities are formed based on their external experiences. So if a dog has an ignorant and violent owner, he will have the same qualities. Even if certain dogs are bred to be aggressive, doesn't mean they are automatically violent no matter what. The way their owners raise and train them has more impact on them than their breeding history.

Issue with pitbulls is the fact lot of their owners are dipshits that watched too much TV and think they are badasses for owning them, so they treat them like a toy instead of an actual living creature that requires care and nurturing. You can't blame the dog for its nature when they are affected by circumstances out of their control. Same way you can't blame kids in the hood for selling drugs when they have no dads, positive role models or opportunities.

You seem to be basing your assumptions on personal experiences and applying it to the vast majority. That's like me asking "Are all black parents terrible" after I get robbed by someone's kid.
this is completely bogus. Most animals breeds have innate instincts in a way humans do not. We are much more mutable due to language and culture. Dogs breeds have hardwired instincts. If you were a dog owner (or at least a good one), you would recognize this. This is why a poodle or lab will point without being trained, my great pyr will herd people and other animals with no training, etc.

[DeuceWallaces]

See, you are the irresponsible owner everybody hates. It's like letting your 8 year old kid play on the street with a real gun.

"But but but, he's raised right. He didn't even hurt anyone this time"

It's a damn pitbull. It could kill a child no matter how well it's raised. It's too big and powerful to just let escape and roam around freely. What if a 10 year old pokes it in the eye?

Lol I missed this guys post. Holy shit he is the problem and has no idea. Your dog should never be free to roam, yet alone a ****ing pit from a clueless owner.

[hateraid]

Comparing the natural aggressive behavior of different breeds of animal is not the same as comparing different races of humans.

If you were to look at animals in nature, where they have no owner to train them to act a certain way, you would see a whole array of aggression levels. No one taught wolves to act aggressive...

Bingo.
On the flip side grizzly bears are docile by nature. Because I choose to domesticate one doesn't negate the fact it's a grizzly.

[DeuceWallaces]

this is completely bogus. Most animals breeds have innate instincts in a way humans do not. We are much more mutable due to language and culture. Dogs breeds have hardwired instincts. If you were a dog owner (or at least a good one), you would recognize this. This is why a poodle or lab will point without being trained, my great pyr will herd people and other animals with no training, etc.

Ha, we've had our Aussie since she was 6 weeks old and she's trained quite well, but I'll be damned if you start running that she won't try to herd your ass in a corner right away.

[ItsMillerTime]

See, you are the irresponsible owner everybody hates. It's like letting your 8 year old kid play on the street with a real gun.

"But but but, he's raised right. He didn't even hurt anyone this time"

It's a damn pitbull. It could kill a child no matter how well it's raised. It's too big and powerful to just let escape and roam around freely. What if a 10 year old pokes it in the eye?

He's got loose literally twice in the 3 years I've owned him. Both times when someone didn't shut the door properly. I don't let him meander around the neighborhood, idiot. I immediately went after him both times. My point is he didn't run up to the anybody and attack when he most certainly had the choice.

[Meticode]

My in-laws have a Pitbull and I fully trust her with my daughter. You can stick your whole hand in her mouth and she won't bite at all. I think owners get super defensive because when they hear about people not liking the breed the feel as if you're lumping their dog which is usually part of their family with all the other Pitbulls out there that attack people.

In any case from being around a Pitbull all the time 24/7 for almost 1.5 years they are a more aggressive breed b nature and it's harder to train that out of them. And it's always there in the back of their minds if they become defensive. They have a shit-load of energy and owners need to make sure the breed get enough exercise. Then on top of that make sure the discipline the breed when things aren't done correctly by the dog.

It wouldn't surprise me if 75%+ of all Pitbull attacks were because the owner was irresponsible with the breed from the first place.

[~primetime~]

The American Pit Bull Terrier was bred for various jobs, including bear, hog and bull baiting, holding cattle for butcher's, hog hunting, and dog fighting. There are various others, but these are the main ones from what I can see. Given their history, they are a high energy breed, usually with a high prey drive, and are prone to dog aggression. That said, human aggression was NEVER a desired trait in this breed. Period. They needed to be human friendly so that their owners/handlers could deal with them, hands on, in the pit during a fight. ANY dog that showed human aggression, waaaay back when, was euthanized immediately to ensure it didn't get put back into the gene pool. Not only were the fighting dogs of yesterday fighters, they were beloved pets as well, who received the best of the best in terms of food, vet care, etc... They could basically go home and chill with the kids at the end of the day without a problem. Human aggression and dog aggression are two very, VERY, different things.

The APBT is not human aggressive by nature, based on what the breed was created for. HOWEVER, because people have forgotten how important temperament and genetics are, SOME APBTs are born with a horrible temperament. THESE dogs can turn aggressive, quickly, and should more or less be euthanized when the problem is discovered. ANY APBT that displays human aggression, unprovoked, should be euthanized. Period. The backyard breeders of today have lost sight of temperament, and only see dollar signs, therefore, the temperament of the APBT has basically gone to **** in a handbag.

Dog aggression, along with an extremely high prey drive, on the other hand, is a common and accepted trait in this breed. Dog aggression is a genetic thing with this breed, and while you can train AROUND that trait, you can never fully train it OUT. It's instinct, and that's not something you can train out. Dog aggression and human aggression should NEVER be confused as the same thing.

So, all in all, while it can have a good deal to do with their upbringing, genetics is the absolute core of the APBT temperament. Thanks to backyard breeders, etc... a good deal of APBTs are born with horrible temperaments due to genetics. That said, it is NOT in the nature of the APBT to be human aggressive, although dog aggression IS in their nature, and should be expected when looking into the APBT breed. It is NOT always in how you raise the dog. You can socialize a dog and train it until you're blue in the face, but if the genetics are crap, NONE of it will matter, the dog's temperament will still be CRAP. That said, if the genetics are good in terms of temperament, you can take the most aggressive dog (i.e. the Vick dogs) and rehabilitate it with the right amount of money and man power. If the genetics are good, the dog is going to have a good temperament. If the genetics are crap, no amount of training and socializing will change the dog. You can't change genetics. Period.

I'm also tired of the "training them to fight" thing. You don't TRAIN an APBT to fight. You encourage the WANT that's already there. Just like you don't really TRAIN an Aussie to herd, or a Bloodhound to track, or a Lab to retrieve. They're doing what they were bred to do, what instinct TELLS them to do. Same goes for the APBT and fighting other dogs. A well bred APBT from a reputable breeder that knows what they're doing, doesn't need to be trained to fight. The instinct is there, no matter what. No training necessary. That's also a HUGE contributing factor to the problem with temperament. Idiot thugs of today think they have to "train" their "pit bulls" (which usually aren't even APBTs) to fight, as opposed to matching the gamest to the gamest. Training a dog to fight and to be aggressive is a law suit waiting to happen. Training aggression into a dog, is another HUGE part of why their temperaments are going to **** in a handbag.

^^^ this was posted on Yahoo Answers in regards to the "nature vs nurture" debate

yeah I know it's "Yahoo Answers" but this post makes a lot sense to me...

[hateraid]

My in-laws have a Pitbull and I fully trust her with my daughter. You can stick your whole hand in her mouth and she won't bite at all. I think owners get super defensive because when they hear about people not liking the breed the feel as if you're lumping their dog which is usually part of their family with all the other Pitbulls out there that attack people.

In any case from being around a Pitbull all the time 24/7 for almost 1.5 years they are a more aggressive breed b nature and it's harder to train that out of them. And it's always there in the back of their minds if they become defensive. They have a shit-load of energy and owners need to make sure the breed get enough exercise. Then on top of that make sure the discipline the breed when things aren't done correctly by the dog.

It wouldn't surprise me if 75%+ of all Pitbull attacks were because the owner was irresponsible with the breed from the first place.

Thank you Meticode!
This is the type of response I was hoping for from a Pit bull owner. Recognition of the breed and accountability for their animal instead of lashing out at generalized perception. Repped

[2LeTTeRS]

I don't own a pit; but I always loved the breed and would likely have one today if one didn't almost rip my girls ring finger off. The bad thing was I have been around this dog literally hundreds of times; but the one random day she goes out to be introduced to him the dog was startled when his owner sneezed and he clamped on to her hand. The thing bled out instantly and took months to heal.

Fact of the matter is; I don't care how well you train a pit it has the potential to inflict serious damage.

[hateraid]

^^^ this was posted on Yahoo Answers in regards to the "nature vs nurture" debate

yeah I know it's "Yahoo Answers" but this post makes a lot sense to me...

Dog aggression is a genetic thing with this breed, and while you can train AROUND that trait, you can never fully train it OUT

I think people loose sight of that.

[FatComputerNerd]

While some breeds may be more inclined to certain types of behavior, I think nurture beats nature 9 times out of ten.

[Stempel, HERB]

I find the people most ignorant to these facts are the owners of the breeds themselves


On that same premise you know what you are getting. Nobody is actively going out and getting a mutt.
Also loved your previous post. Great input


Pit owner?


Bingo.
On the flip side grizzly bears are docile by nature. Because I choose to domesticate one doesn't negate the fact it's a grizzly.


Thank you Meticode!
This is the type of response I was hoping for from a Pit bull owner. Recognition of the breed and accountability for their animal instead of lashing out at generalized perception. Repped

You're such a loser. People must share your point of view or they fit your profile. And, you expect people to take you seriously? :roll:

[hateraid]

You're such a loser. People must share your point of view or they fit your profile. And, you expect people to take you seriously? :roll:

You know what's more pathetic? Someone who uses an alternate account to attack another poster. 200 posts and 3/4 directed at me.
I'm flattered that I can make that much of an impact on a person

[NumberSix]

While some breeds may be more inclined to certain types of behavior, I think nurture beats nature 9 times out of ten.
You think wrong.

[Rake2204]

My brother happens to be very defensive about his pit bull. We all really like his dog and I sometimes forget it's a pit bull but that does not stop him from occasionally making unprovoked statements out of nowhere like, "You guys think pit bulls are crazy but people don't know what they're talking about." Kind of weird, but I assume he's just misprojecting the negative feedback he's read and received from other corners of the world.

[Stempel, HERB]

You know what's more pathetic? Someone who uses an alternate account to attack another poster. 200 posts and 3/4 directed at me.
I'm flattered that I can make that much of an impact on a person

I was gonna tell you that you're about to feel really stupid, but then I remebered who you are. The guy who sells people stuff they don't want or need for a living but believes to his core that he's doing them a service. The guy who rains down shame on his son, wife, brother and anyone else because he wants to have a good time. Feels remorseful for a few days, talks about it with his bros on ish, and makes a promise to never do it again. It's easier than actually working on yourself to become a better person. You expect people to be grateful cuz you weren't a drunk piece of trash for a month or two. :roll:

P.S. It was more like 3 or 4 posts directed at you. I don't need very many at all to tear you down. You're cut from the same cloth as Schololololar and fat's montrash.

For the record, there's a long list and you aren't even close to all-time leader DoucheWalnuts. I'mHereToLectureYouNYC is coming on strong tho.

[Sarcastic]

Pitbull attacking woman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JEQCQh-g-8

Pitbull attacking a duck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficwZQYmRLE

Pitbull attacking a baby:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8T-68ED1I


http://www.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/03/pup3-934x.jpg


http://www.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/03/pup5-620x.jpg


http://www.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/03/pup16-620x.jpg

[hateraid]

I was gonna tell you that you're about to feel really stupid, but then I remebered who you are. The guy who sells people stuff they don't want or need for a living but believes to his core that he's doing them a service. The guy who rains down shame on his son, wife, brother and anyone else because he wants to have a good time. Feels remorseful for a few days, talks about it with his bros on ish, and makes a promise to never do it again. It's easier than actually working on yourself to become a better person. You expect people to be grateful cuz you weren't a drunk piece of trash for a month or two. :roll:

P.S. It was more like 3 or 4 posts directed at you. I don't need very many at all to tear you down. You're cut from the same cloth as Schololololar and fat's montrash.

For the record, there's a long list and you aren't even close to all-time leader DoucheWalnuts. I'mHereToLectureYouNYC is coming on strong tho.

You know what the funny thing is? Here you are trying to crap on me yet everything you post will fall on deaf ears with anyone and everyone on this site. You know why? You're the bottom of the barrel type of poster on a message board. An alternate account too big of a ***** to call someone out under his original alias.
So no matter who you attack or how much you think you're "tearing someone down" you'll always be the bigger moron.
What's funny is that you've obviously created this account because you you suffer from severe envy. Nobody payed attention to you so you make an account to damage others reputation to protect your own. :roll:
Dude catches feeling over not being popular on a message board.But you put me in with a good class of peeps. I'm flattered.:cheers:

[hateraid]

This just happened over the weekend.
My best friend and his girlfriend had gone camping. They were walking their dogs. My buddy has a puggle and his girlfriend has 2 Pomchis (pomeranian chihuahua cross breed). 3 unleashed pitbulls came running over. One was sniffing one of the pomchis. All of a sudden the pit bull chomps on the Pomchi into it's mouth. The Pit had it in it's clutches. My buddy's girl was trying to pry it out of it's mouth while my buddy was trying to wrestle it to get the mouth to open. All the while the owner was trying to yell at it to release. The dog finally let go of the little one but took a bite at my buddy's girl and bit into her arm. The owner pulled it off. The girl had to get stitches and most likely has a permanent disfigurement. Her dog died instantly. All the while the owner kept repeating, " this is the first time that's ever happened."
All it takes is one time. Yes, I here over and over blame the owners, not the dog. As I've said before no matter how well it's trained there still needs to be precautions. You may say it's the most lovable of all breeds, but in the end it is still a breed that was made a weapon.

[KNOW1EDGE]

If you own a pit-bull, or any dog, you should understand that not everyone likes dogs or is comfortable with them, so control your dog and it's all good.

[TripleA]

My friend had a mutt dog that a meth dealer used to own. It legitimately needs to be chained. It tries to bite my neck and arms ever time I'm near it. If its not chained I stay outside the gate. Once it attacked a cat and killed it.

[Lensanity]

I don't see anything wrong with trying to educate people on things they should know, especially if they believe myths. Same thing with Cannabis

[aj1987]

My 15 month old ~100lbs Rottie. He's amazing, but gets excited from time to time and jumps on people to lick them.

http://i.imgur.com/aZKoX0V.jpg

[SCREWstonRockets]

I own a pitbull, for some it can be ruff. I will say that most problem with pitbulls and dogs in general, can fall into the owners hands. For example, no dog should ever be allowed to roam free, unleashed. No matter how trained they are. Because there are factors you can't control and I've heard stories of well trained dogs that are attacked or ran over because they were not leashed.

I do think pitbulls get a bad reputation. Its hard because there are legit stories for both sides. So some of it may be warranted but many are uneducated about the breed which makes it unfair. In a lot of these bad cases, they are not even full bred pit bulls, some are not traditional pitbulls at all.

With that said, you have to be respectful of people. I only walk my pit very early in the mornings and late at night because I know how most people feel about pitbulls. Same thing with dog parks, I only go if nobody else is there. People literally crap their pants when they see her. Its a shame because shes so sweet but I understand. Plus I just rather not have to deal with it.

Simply put, dogs aren't for everybody. Espeically certain breeds. Pitbulls have a lot of energy so they need to be properly walked and excersized. Most owners are lazy f***s. After the initial cute puppy stage, they neglect their dog and just leave them in the backyard or only walk just to pee/crap. And they wonder why their pit tears up the home. Save yourself a headache and don't get a dog if you can't handle all that comes with owning one.

[32jazz]

Regardless if African-Americans may or may not be the most aggressive human, the fact is they were bred to be aggressive and tough workers. They were bred to carry heavy loads and work in farms without rest. Regardless if your feisty asiancousin is just as aggressive, African-Americans have the actual tools to do damage. What's more dangerous, an angry little asian person with a butter knife or a less angry 6'5 black man with elite athleticism and a bat?

And by far more than any other race have been reported for violent crimes and fatal attacks. It carries a reputation. This is not chastising your grand gran grandparents for owning slaves, but again you have to live with the reputation once you decide to have a black friend.
:rolleyes:

So you ignorantly believe African Americans were ' bred' for certain characteristics & explains their ' elite athleticism' as you say?


West Africans who were never slaves or ' bred' to be ' elite athletes' by Whites & are among the best / most explosive athletes in sports.


Hakeem Olajuwon ,Christian Okoye , etc....( 2 guys who had barely seen the sports they played let alone participated).

Suh is one of the most explosive D - Lineman in the game .

Osi Umenyiora , Nnamdi Asomigha , Madieu Williams,Ayanbadejo & his brothers and many other Africans not of slave descent in the NFL.

Along with Olajuwon there is Mutombo , Serge Ibaka , Omeka Okafor,etc.....and many more NBA players despite lack of opportunity, training in West Africa.



Do East Africans ( Kenyans,Somalis ,Ethiopians ,etc.....) owe their complete dominance in endurance running to being ' bred' by Whites?


West Africans & those of West African descent explosiveness/ athleticism' has nothing to do with slavery . Guys are born with good genes ,but more important than that they work hard at their craft.

Again you ignorance about this is astounding.

[32jazz]

I can't believe how ignorant people in this thread are about breed behaviors and tendencies.

Pits, Rotties, Chows, Mastiffs, they're all very aggressive dogs. Bred over centuries to be aggressive. It's in their DNA; there's no denying it. Other breeds can be dangerous because of their mix of intelligence and skittishness; essentially being very aware of their surroundings and are easily spooked like aussies, collies, healers, weimaraners, etc.

It can all be avoided with proper training and care, but it doesn't change the fact that there are innate behavioral differences among breeds. It's the whole point of breeding to begin with.
Not defending Pit Bulls since I find them & most dog breeds near worthless( I only like dogs as dogs & its great seeing them do what they were bred' for).

That being said good Fighting Pit Bulls are aggressive ,but mostly aggressive with other Dogs & not humans.

Good Fighting stock Pit Bulls are among the easiest dogs to steal by strangers because they aren't very aggressive with people.

I have 2 friends ( one a classmate) with over 30 Pit Bulls & one is of 'Boudreaux' Figthing stock from Louisiana & they have to be vigilante with security because of Pit Bull theft.


Truly professional fighting dogs had to be handled by strangers & aggressiveness towards humans was not encouraged.


A lot of Pit Bulls bites are probably Pit Bull types, mixes or Curs

Not saying they are dangerous or don't deserve a bad reputation ,but Pit Bulls types have been around for over a couple centuries or so mostly with no issue.

Its only been since the 1980's perhaps that Pit Bulls have gotten this awfull reputation when they became the cool dog to own & far too many idiots & bad breeeding / over breeding became the norm.

[TheMan]

I own a pitbull, for some it can be ruff. I will say that most problem with pitbulls and dogs in general, can fall into the owners hands. For example, no dog should ever be allowed to roam free, unleashed. No matter how trained they are. Because there are factors you can't control and I've heard stories of well trained dogs that are attacked or ran over because they were not leashed.

I do think pitbulls get a bad reputation. Its hard because there are legit stories for both sides. So some of it may be warranted but many are uneducated about the breed which makes it unfair. In a lot of these bad cases, they are not even full bred pit bulls, some are not traditional pitbulls at all.

With that said, you have to be respectful of people. I only walk my pit very early in the mornings and late at night because I know how most people feel about pitbulls. Same thing with dog parks, I only go if nobody else is there. People literally crap their pants when they see her. Its a shame because shes so sweet but I understand. Plus I just rather not have to deal with it.

Simply put, dogs aren't for everybody. Espeically certain breeds. Pitbulls have a lot of energy so they need to be properly walked and excersized. Most owners are lazy f***s. After the initial cute puppy stage, they neglect their dog and just leave them in the backyard or only walk just to pee/crap. And they wonder why their pit tears up the home. Save yourself a headache and don't get a dog if you can't handle all that comes with owning one.
You know you're shit :applause:

I own two, the white pit is a male and the brown one is female. The male is really energetic while the female is lazy. Both are aggressive towards other dogs but friendly towards people...


http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/5/6/2/9/dsc01951_thumb.jpg
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/5/6/2/9/dsc05131_2_thumb.jpg

[32jazz]

You know you're shit :applause:

I own two, the white pit is a male and the brown one is female. The male is really energetic while the female is lazy. Both are aggressive towards other dogs but friendly towards people...


http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/5/6/2/9/dsc01951_thumb.jpg
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/5/6/2/9/dsc05131_2_thumb.jpg

I mostly agree with you & screwston Rocket ,but I also think people 'like you are partially responsible for the breeds bad reputation.


1)Why do you even want a dog that was specifically bred' for fighting when you don't fight them or use them for a secondary use like hunting game or pest?

2)Besides it's ability to fight what does the Pitbull offer that any other breed doesnt?


I like 'dogs as dogs ' & love to see them at work doing what they were bred' to do. Not just Pit Bulls ,but other breeds as well. Working breeds & not a dog who is treated like a human ( clothing on them & licking owners in the mouth) & sitting around fat ,lazy , near diabetic,etc.........instead of what they were bred' for .

I don't understand why someone wants a Beagle( great rabbit hunter) in a NYC high rise or suburb either.


Pit bulls were once a dog owned by a small percentage of people ( esepcially in the South)for a specific reason; Fighting! Or feral hog hunting.

There were no issues with Pit Bulls until they became a worthless pet owned by far too many people instead of a working breed owned by serious / knowledgeable dog fighters.

[TheMan]

I mostly agree with you & screwston Rocket ,but I also think people 'like you are partially responsible for the breeds bad reputation.


1)Why do you even want a dog that was specifically bred' for fighting when you don't fight them or use them for a secondary use like hunting game or pest?

2)Besides it's ability to fight what does the Pitbull offer that any other breed doesnt?


I like 'dogs as dogs ' & love to see them at work doing what they were bred' to do. Not just Pit Bulls ,but other breeds as well. Working breeds & not a dog who is treated like a human ( clothing on them & licking owners in the mouth) & sitting around fat ,lazy , near diabetic,etc.........instead of what they were bred' for .

I don't understand why someone wants a Beagle( great rabbit hunter) in a NYC high rise or suburb either.


Pit bulls were once a dog owned by a small percentage of people ( esepcially in the South)for a specific reason; Fighting! Or feral hog hunting.

There were no issues with Pit Bulls until they became a worthless pet owned by far too many people instead of a working breed owned by serious / knowledgeable dog fighters.


I hate this argument, I've gotten into many debates over at PitBullChat with folks who feel the same way you do. Some of them openly admit to owning game dogs and do fight them because that is what they were bred for. I'm vehemently against that. Using that logic, why not let Mastins, Bull Mastiffs, Molossers, Dogue de Bordeauxs etc go ahead a maul people? After all, these were war dogs, these were bred to fight alongside their human masters since ancient times. The Greeks and Romans employed them in battle.

What good is a Bull Mastiff if he ain't mauling someone :rolleyes:

Another thing, I don't know where you got the whole thing about pitbulls being owned by a few people, they've been popular since the begining of the 20th century. Pete the pup from Our Gang was an APBT, so was the RCA dog and WWI hero dog Sgt Stubby...they've been popular a while now dude.
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[9erempiree]

There is really no point in owning these dogs and its true, its the owners fault for the behavior of their dogs but at the same time, these dogs can snap at any moment. Its the nature of the the beast.

I prefer not to own a pit bull for these very reasons. The one reason why I would get a pit bull is to guard my house. Whatever happened to the good old 'guard dog'. Is it not politically correct to have a dog do what its suppose to do anymore?

Anyways, without digressing, I wouldn't want these dogs because I am too afraid it will escape and attack someone.

[9erempiree]

I think the problem here are people trying to convert a 'ho into a housewife'. Basically tricking out a guard dog to be some lovable pet, when they are not bred for this. Come to think of it...I 100 percent agree that its the owners fault.

If you want a pet, get a dog that has the temper for it.

If you have a pitbull for strictly guarding your house then I am ok with it. Just don't walk the damn thing without a leash, like the OP's story.

Nobody buys a Porsche to go off roading do they?

[TheMan]

:applause:
I hate this argument, I've gotten into many debates over at PitBullChat with folks who feel the same way you do. Some of them openly admit to owning game dogs and do fight them because that is what they were bred for. I'm vehemently against that. Using that logic, why not let Mastins, Bull Mastiffs, Molossers, Dogue de Bordeauxs etc go ahead a maul people? After all, these were war dogs, these were bred to fight alongside their human masters since ancient times. The Greeks and Romans employed them in battle.

What good is a Bull Mastiff if he ain't mauling someone. :rolleyes:

Another thing, I don't know where you got the whole thing about pitbulls being owned by a few people, they've been popular since the begining of the 20th century. Pete the pup from Our Gang was an APBT, so was the RCA dog and WWI hero dog Sgt Stubby...they've been popular a while now dude.
https://40.media.tumblr.com/4acf68fd169597950fc1c3b425e8a756/tumblr_nit7iz2l6w1u7vgzzo1_500.jpg
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http://a5.typepad.com/6a01a73dd2f983970d01a511de3e55970c-pi

[TheMan]

I think the problem here are people trying to convert a 'ho into a housewife'. Basically tricking out a guard dog to be some lovable pet, when they are not bred for this. Come to think of it...I 100 percent agree that its the owners fault.

If you want a pet, get a dog that has the temper for it.

If you have a pitbull for strictly guarding your house then I am ok with it. Just don't walk the damn thing without a leash, like the OP's story.

Nobody buys a Porsche to go off roading do they?
Once again, you show a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the subject being discussed. So many things wrong in your post and anyone who knows about APBTs would just :facepalm

First, a pitbull would be among the worst choices for a guard dog, since a well bred pitbull is very friendly towards humans. For a guard dog, go German Shepherd, Rottie, Doberman Pinscher etc., not a pitbull :facepalm

Ah, forget it, you're helpless

[32jazz]

I hate this argument, I've gotten into many debates over at PitBullChat with folks who feel the same way you do. Some of them openly admit to owning game dogs and do fight them because this is why they were bred. Using that logic, why not let Mastins, Bull Mastiffs, Molossers, Dogue de Bordeauxs etc go ahead a maul people? After all, these were war dogs, these were bred to fight alongside their human masters since ancient times. The Greeks and Romans employed them in battle. What good is a Bull Mastiff if he ain't mauling a person :rolleyes:

Why do YOU own a dog that was specifically bred' to fight other Dogs to the death and have a long track record of doing it?

Those other breeds don't have the same persistent issue because & they arent over bred with every Tom , Dick & Sue wanting one because they are cool.


Facts:

1) Pit Bul!s were bred' to kill other Dogs & fight them to the death

2)People who don't have PitBulls love their dogs & know Pit Bulls were bred' to kill theirs

Thus they dislike / distrust PitBulls.
And then people who own Pit Bulls foolishly wonder why people dislike / distrust Pit Bulls.

You've said yourself that your Pit Bulls are very aggressive with other dogs( that people love) that havent been bred to fight.

What if they get away from you or your yard ,as dogs occasionally do ,& kills someone's dog? Oops!


Even the most cautious owners lose track of their dogs ,but unlike Pit Bulls( bred to kill dogs) the consequences aren't usually as disastrous.



Pit Bulls had no issues when serious / knowledgeable dog fighters & hunters kept these dogs.
Only when casual owners like yourself stepped in have they become a nuisance & earned a bad reputation.

[32jazz]

There is really no point in owning these dogs and its true, its the owners fault for the behavior of their dogs but at the same time, these dogs can snap at any moment. Its the nature of the the beast.

I prefer not to own a pit bull for these very reasons. The one reason why I would get a pit bull is to guard my house. Whatever happened to the good old 'guard dog'. Is it not politically correct to have a dog do what its suppose to do anymore?

Anyways, without digressing, I wouldn't want these dogs because I am too afraid it will escape and attack someone.Exactly.

As all dogs tend to escape from owners ,but your Labradoodle is most likely not going to kill the neighbors dogs than the breed ( Pit Bulls) that was bred to kill other Dogs.

They aren't by nature very aggressive with people ( unless trained or poor breeding) ,but they are aggressive towards other Dogs & I don't understand why casual owners want such responsibility.


They were bred' for Fighting & Pit Bulls rarely had issues when they were mostly confined to serious/ knowledgeable dog fighters . Explosion of casual ownership & poor breeding have been detrimental to its reputation.

[9erempiree]

Once again, you show a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the subject being discussed. So many things wrong in your post and anyone who knows about APBTs would just :facepalm

First, a pitbull would be among the worst choices for a guard dog, since a well bred pitbull is very friendly towards humans. For a guard dog, go German Shepherd, Rottie, Doberman Pinscher etc., not a pitbull :facepalm

Ah, forget it, you're helpless

Thank you Dog Whisperer.:lol

[9erempiree]

Exactly.

As all dogs tend to escape from owners ,but your Labradoodle is most likely not going to kill the neighbors dogs than the breed ( Pit Bulls) that was bred to kill other Dogs.

They aren't by nature very aggressive with people ( unless trained or poor breeding) ,but they are aggressive towards other Dogs & I don't understand why casual owners want such responsibility.


They were bred' for Fighting & Pit Bulls rarely had issues when they were mostly confined to serious/ knowledgeable dog fighters . Explosion of casual ownership & poor breeding have been detrimental to its reputation.

That's a very good point you just made and that is, if bred for fighting, there seem to be less tendency for an attack due to being confined for that very purpose.

Put this breed in the hands of casual pet owners, lets face it, most people try to turn these breeds into pets. They are not pets, they are bred to work and in this case, kill. Therefore a lot of the casual owners have more incidents with their dogs either killing, mauling or biting another dog or human.

[TheMan]

The reason we have pitbulls is because my wife rescued the white male when he was a puppy in Tijuana, his parents were fighting dogs and the owner just had the puppy running around without much care and the pup would go upstairs (the neighbor who originally owned him lived downstairs) to my wife and she just got attached to him and we offered to buy him and the owner sold him to us. We learned about his history AFTER we bought him, BTW.

It had nothing to do with trying "to be cool", if you noticed, we didn't even clip their ears to make them look "bad ass". Don't generalize bro, we take great care to have our dogs never be in position to cause harm to other dogs. We've made the fence much bigger, we have a huge property so my dogs get great exercise and when we do take them out, we muzzle them both.

[32jazz]

The reason we have pitbulls is because my wife rescued the white male when he was a puppy in Tijuana, his parents were fighting dogs and the owner just had the puppy running around without much care and the pup would go upstairs (the neighbor who originally owned him lived downstairs) to my wife and she just got attached to him and we offered to buy him and the owner sold him to us. We learned about his history AFTER we bought him, BTW.

It had nothing to do with trying "to be cool", if you noticed, we didn't even clip their ears to make them look "bad ass". Don't generalize bro, we take great care to have our dogs never be in position to cause harm to other dogs. We've made the fence much bigger, we have a huge property so my dogs get great exercise and when we do take them out, we muzzle them both.


And even the most well meaning of owners lose track of their dogs at times . They can be crafty & owners make mistakes. It happens. But when it hpaaens with Pit Bulls its a bit more disastrous.


At least you do understand/ that your dog was bred specifically to kill other Dogs

. Other dog lovers are aware of this so don't be upset when people dislike or distrust your dogs.


Pit Bull ownership was nowhere near the explosion of the dogs in the 1980' s. I don't care what myth about Pit Bulls you want to proffer ,but the fact is casual ownership of that breed was nowhere near what it is today.


I'm bad at posting photos ,but I have some showing how dangerous they were considered at the turn of the century tas well. They were known for potentially for chewing off little girls faces then as well.

Google Pit Bull Nanny Dog Myth" . I have to go hope someone can post the pictures of the girls cowering / praying rom Pit Bulls & the muzzled Pit Bulls with babies.

[TheMan]

And even the most well meaning of owners lose track of their dogs at times . They can be crafty & owners make mistakes. It happens. But when it hpaaens with Pit Bulls its a bit more disastrous.


At least you do understand/ that your dog was bred specifically to kill other Dogs

. Other dog lovers are aware of this so don't be upset when people dislike or distrust your dogs.


Pit Bull ownership was nowhere near the explosion of the dogs in the 1980' s. I don't care what myth about Pit Bulls you want to proffer ,but the fact is casual ownership of that breed was nowhere near what it is today.


I'm bad at posting photos ,but I have some showing how dangerous they were considered at the turn of the century tas well. They were known for potentially for chewing off little girls faces then as well.

Google Pit Bull Nanny Dog Myth" . I have to go hope someone can post the pictures of the girls cowering / praying rom Pit Bulls & the muzzled Pit Bulls with babies.
I don't feel like getting in a back and forth, I've done that numerous times at PitBullChat, I don't know if you can tell but I read up on the history of APBTs and know all about their origins and what they were bred for. I just don't agree with the whole 'they have to do what they were bred for or else they're useless' thing. A well bred and balanced pitbull will be aggressive towards other dogs and great with people. Would I ever leave my children alone with my dogs? NO, and not because I don't trust my dogs, but because they are animals at the end of the day, they aren't human family members, they are anmals and have the potential to be unpredictable.

I realize some unbalanced pitbulls have attacked people but it's really overblown. Many times it's not even a pitbull attack and the media, because it grabs headlines, just irresponsibly goes with it.
https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/pick-the-pitbull-postd92fd.jpg?w=770&h=1155
I'm curious as to how many people here can pick out the American Pit Bull Terrier in this poster, most probably can't.

[gigantes]

First off, not a Pit Bull hater, but I do fear the breed as I was attacked by a couple.
Generally I find all Pit Bull owners crazy defensive. I have 2 friends on Facebook post about how society is stupid and that Pit Bulls are not a violent breed and will remind people of this every single day. I think if you invest into the breed you come with it's baggage and stop complaining about it everyday! There are hundreds of dog varieties yet these people chose to pick a breed with this rep. You have to deal with it.
Yes there are ignorant people, but people are also entitled to their opinions about this subject.
Thoughts?
i was attacked by a pitbull who i had already been friendly with for around a year. the owner shared a house with me at the time. i bro-hugged my buddy and the dog went sort of berzerk on us.

i don't hate dogs or anything, but their temperment seems unpredictable, not to mention the breed is also a basement fighting dog and seemingly a status symbol of sorts for urban black americans. :/

[gigantes]

a couple months later i took beau to the local park to play with the other dogs, and he got over-excited or something. he took the play-fighting to be more real than it was and nipped another dog. the other dog bit beau in the achilles or somesuch, and it didn't heal well and the owner didn't have a pile of money to do reconstruction work or whatever and the pitbull had to be put down.

pitbulls and tiny dogs seem to have the least common sense out of all the dog breeds i've ever met. give me a retriever or a huskie any day over a pitbull, please.

[TheMan]

a couple months later i took beau to the local park to play with the other dogs, and he got over-excited or something. he took the play-fighting to be more real than it was and nipped another dog. the other dog bit beau in the achilles or somesuch, and it didn't heal well and the owner didn't have a pile of money to do reconstruction work or whatever and the pitbull had to be put down.

pitbulls and tiny dogs seem to have the least common sense out of all the dog breeds i've ever met. give me a retriever or a huskie any day over a pitbull, please.
LMAO, that was like the dumbest thing you could've done.

Ever seen when little kids are wrestling/play fighting and then it's starts getting serious and before you know it, a real fight breaks out? Pitbulls do that, I learned the hard way with mine :lol

[gigantes]

LMAO, that was like the dumbest thing you could've done.

Ever seen when little kids are wrestling/play fighting and then it's starts getting serious and before you know it, a real fight breaks out? Pitbulls do that, I learned the hard way with mine :lol
oh... well i'm sorry for being so stupid. i'm glad it gave you such a huge laugh, tho. :cheers:

anyway the owner had asked me if i could fill in for him and take the dog to the park. i'd done that stuff with many dogs before and didn't realise that pitbulls would be so unpredictable and dangerous to even themselves.

[32jazz]

I don't feel like getting in a back and forth, I've done that numerous times at PitBullChat, I don't know if you can tell but I read up on the history of APBTs and know all about their origins and what they were bred for. I just don't agree with the whole 'they have to do what they were bred for or else they're useless' thing. A well bred and balanced pitbull will be aggressive towards other dogs and great with people. Would I ever leave my children alone with my dogs? NO, and not because I don't trust my dogs, but because they are animals at the end of the day, they aren't human family members, they are anmals and have the potential to be unpredictable.

I realize some unbalanced pitbulls have attacked people but it's really overblown. Many times it's not even a pitbull attack and the media, because it grabs headlines, just irresponsibly goes with it.
https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/pick-the-pitbull-postd92fd.jpg?w=770&h=1155
I'm curious as to how many people here can pick out the American Pit Bull Terrier in this poster, most probably can't.

And I have read upon their history as well & the fact remains that they were well known at the turn of the century but their numbers skyrocketed in the 80's . Bad press actually attracted bad people / dog owners to the breed that once was for dogfighting & feral hog hunting. Serious / knowledgeable dogfighting owners.


I'll play the 'gotcha' game with the dogs in the photos although they are bad photos not showing the size of many of the breeds: (pardon my spelling)

1) American Bulldog ( 2) Japanese Tosa or Fila Brasilera (3) Boxer (4)Dogue Bordoux or Turner & Hooch dog

(5) That's either a Cane Corso or PresaCanario . (6) Dogo Argentina
(7) Cane Corso or Presa (8). Pointer type dog or Vizla? (9) Boerbeol (10) Neopolitan Mastiff?

(11) Boston Terrier or French Bulldog. (12) your precious Pit Bull. (13) English Bulldog was once a damn good breed (14) Bull Mastiff. ( 15) Rottweiler


Again . Your dog was bred to be dog aggressive & fight other Dogs to the death ( if they are game) so don't be upset when people distrust your dog.

You should have understood the breed you were getting.

I prefer working dogs & feel far too many dogs are bred & are in the hands of the wrong people. Not the dogs fault.

[TheMan]

And I have read upon their history as well & the fact remains that they were well known at the turn of the century but their numbers skyrocketed in the 80's . Bad press actually attracted bad people / dog owners to the breed that once was for dogfighting & feral hog hunting. Serious / knowledgeable dogfighting owners.


I'll play the 'gotcha' game with the dogs in the photos although they are bad photos not showing the size of many of the breeds: (pardon my spelling)

1) American Bulldog ( 2) Japanese Tosa or Fila Brasilera (3) Boxer (4)Dogue Bordoux or Turner & Hooch dog

(5) That's either a Cane Corso or PresaCanario . (6) Dogo Argentina
(7) Cane Corso or Presa (8). Pointer type dog or Vizla? (9) Boerbeol (10) Neopolitan Mastiff?
(11) Boston Terrier or French Bulldog. (12) your precious Pit Bull. (13) English Bulldog was once a damn good breed (14) Bull Mastiff. ( 15) Rottweiler


Again . Your dog was bred to be dog aggressive & fight other Dogs to the death ( if they are game) so don't be upset when people distrust your dog.

You should have understood the breed you were getting.

I prefer working dogs & feel far too many dogs are bred & are in the hands of the wrong people. Not the dogs fault.
Actually, I don't get defensive about my dogs, on the contrary, I live in Mexico and they are very popular and I get many asking me when they'll have pups (they are out of luck, I'm not breeding them). Obviously I do run into some dog owners who get a weary look to their faces when they see my dogs but it's been mostly positive. Besides, I realy don't care what others think.

Yeah, you picked the right dog but you seem to be knowledgeable about dogs, most people aren't and they have trouble picking out the APBT, they think this is a APBT...
http://hqbullies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/standard.jpg
In reality they are not supposed to be bulky...
https://ethicsalarms.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/american-pit-bull-terrier.jpg

BTW, my dogs are my first APBTs, I love them but overall my favorite breeds of dogs are Dobies and Rotties, my wife is the one who loves pitbulls.

[32jazz]

Actually, I don't get defensive about my dogs, on the contrary, I live in Mexico and they are very popular and I get many asking me when they'll have pups (they are out of luck, I'm not breeding them). Obviously I do run into some dog owners who get a weary look to their faces when they see my dogs but it's been mostly positive. Besides, I realy don't care what others think.

Yeah, you picked the right dog but you seem to be knowledgeable about dogs, most people aren't and they have trouble picking out the APBT, they think this is a APBT...
http://hqbullies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/standard.jpg
In reality they are not supposed to be bulky...
https://ethicsalarms.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/american-pit-bull-terrier.jpg

BTW, my dogs are my first APBTs, I love them but overall my favorite breeds of dogs are Dobies and Rotties, my wife is the one who loves pitbulls.:cheers:

Good on you for not breeding them as there rare far too many owners who aren't responsible as you.

I agree that monstrosity isn't a PiT Bull ,but bad breeding by uneducated owners who are wanting a 'look'. Pit Bulls that my friends own( Fighting stock) are around 35-45 pounds( fairly small dogs).


I'm just a bit of a purist who doesn't humanize dogs & like seeing ' working' breeds doing what they were bred' for & not just just Pit Bulls . No near diabetic Beagles( other hunting breeds) in a Manhattan high rise ,etc... . ..



I missed some of the dogs since I'm still not really certain of the difference between Cane Corso & Presa Canario .

My High School Football coach/ gym teacher has Cane Corsos's that he has offered to sell me , but they are huge responbility & I would like to have more space before I even consider that type dog( fenced acreage).


My favorite dog breed is the German Shepherd though.

Had one as a child very smart & sometimes overly protective. Friends could not shake my hand or get to close or she assumed someone was harming us & would attack.

When I'm ready maybe a Belgian Malinois since they are similar I'm told & less grooming/fur issues.


Congratulations on rescuing 2 dogs & preventing more irresponsible people from owning such a beautiful ,but overbred/ misunderstood/ mis used breed.

[FatComputerNerd]

While some breeds may be more inclined to certain types of behavior, I think nurture beats nature 9 times out of ten.


You think wrong.


Raycist!!!

[TheMan]

:cheers:

Good on you for not breeding them as there rare far too many owners who aren't responsible as you.

I agree that monstrosity isn't a PiT Bull ,but bad breeding by uneducated owners who are wanting a 'look'. Pit Bulls that my friends own( Fighting stock) are around 35-45 pounds( fairly small dogs).


I'm just a bit of a purist who doesn't humanize dogs & like seeing ' working' breeds doing what they were bred' for & not just just Pit Bulls . No near diabetic Beagles( other hunting breeds) in a Manhattan high rise ,etc... . ..



I missed some of the dogs since I'm still not really certain of the difference between Cane Corso & Presa Canario .

My High School Football coach/ gym teacher has Cane Corsos's that he has offered to sell me , but they are huge responbility & I would like to have more space before I even consider that type dog( fenced acreage).


My favorite dog breed is the German Shepherd though.

Had one as a child very smart & sometimes overly protective. Friends could not shake my hand or get to close or she assumed someone was harming us & would attack.

When I'm ready maybe a Belgian Malinois since they are similar I'm told & less grooming/fur issues.


Congratulations on rescuing 2 dogs & preventing more irresponsible people from owning such a beautiful ,but overbred/ misunderstood/ mis used breed.
:cheers:

Yeah, my wife was the one who insisted on not breeding because she didn't want a lowlife getting a pup and making it a fighting dog. Funny thing is, we neutered the male, partly in hopes of lowering his drive but it didn't work, he still wants to kick every dog's ass he encounters:lol

Quick story, a few months after we "fixed" our male, we took him out for a nice walk, long story short, a couple of stupid kids purposelly let loose their pitbull, he charged my dog, and after a couple of minutes of chaos, my dog had the other pitbull by the throat and one of the kids was freaking out thinking my dog was about to kill his dog :oldlol: My wife was freaking too but I knew a pitbull doesn't kill another one in a matter of minutes. Anyways, I broke them up with a break stick and the other pit along with his owner left with their tail between their legs.:lol

[Jameerthefear]

pitbulls are really ugly dogs. idk why ppl like them

[TheMan]

pitbulls are really ugly dogs. idk why ppl like them
Well, you're beta af, stick to these
http://petfriendlysites.com/petfriendlysites/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/happy-pomeranian.jpg
us alphas will hang with bad ass dawgs :pimp:
http://www.caragankennel.com/images/our_dogs/jd/JD-04.jpg

[Jameerthefear]

Top dog is ugly too. Also, that pit is probably pure while 99% of owners are going to have a mixed

[TheMan]

I have no idea if my dogs are pure bred, frankly it doesn't matter that much to me. All I know is that his parents were game dogs in Tijuana, my dog is super aggressive against other dogs and is always looking to get into it with whatever dog wants to throw down. Even nuetering him didn't make him less aggressive like the vet promised. :facepalm

I would guess Shorty is 100% APBT

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq202/ilcapo92/DSC01103.jpg

[NumberSix]

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq202/ilcapo92/DSC01103.jpg
White privilege.

[TheMan]

Shorty or Enano in Spanish is my wife's pit. My dog is the brown female and her name is Gorda or Fatso in English because she's a lazy fat fvck :lol
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/5/6/2/9/dsc05131_2_thumb.jpg