Wiggins told Bill Self he wanted to get traded

[JohnMax]

"When all this trade stuff started, I talked to Andrew and Andrew told me, "I hope I get traded," Self said. "And I'm like, 'No you don't.' And he said, "Coach, I do. It's better for me, knowing my personality and what I need to do, to go somewhere where I'm forced to be something as opposed to going in there where they're going to be patient with me and I'm going to be a piece."

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"Even though in a weird way everybody would love the opportunity to play with LeBron because you're guaranteed winning," Self said, "for the longevity of his career, he needs to develop that mindset to be the guy, for him to be great, and I think being Minnesota will help him do that."

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"I think he's handled everything great. He's excited," Self said. "I think the whole thing that's been blown out of proportion a bit is that he's been in limbo. He's known since the summer that he'd be traded. It's OK. In some ways he's looking forward to going to Minnesota."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/10/5098043/self-wiggins-wants-to-be-traded.html

[AnaheimLakers24]

bram Is such a bitch. good for wiggins leaving that hell hole. atleast he wont get thrown under the bus by cavs fans

[Cocaine80s]

pretty sure most top picks would want to play somewhere that they can be the #1 option.

[Kvnzhangyay]

bram Is such a bitch. good for wiggins leaving that hell hole. atleast he wont get thrown under the bus by cavs fans

Lol wtf wut does he have to do with this

[NattyPButter]

7 years from a lot of the Cavs fans that wanted him traded for Love will be asking for him to come back.

[navy]

7 years from a lot of the Cavs fans that wanted him traded for Love will be asking for him to come back.
If you are asking for him back in 7 years you made the right choice.

[TheMarkMadsen]

"When all this trade stuff started, I talked to Andrew and Andrew told me, "I hope I get traded," Self said. "And I'm like, 'No you don't.' And he said, "Coach, I do. It's better for me, knowing my personality and what I need to do, to go somewhere where I'm forced to be something as opposed to going in there where they're going to be patient with me and I'm going to be a piece."

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"Even though in a weird way everybody would love the opportunity to play with LeBron because you're guaranteed winning," Self said, "for the longevity of his career, he needs to develop that mindset to be the guy, for him to be great, and I think being Minnesota will help him do that."

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"I think he's handled everything great. He's excited," Self said. "I think the whole thing that's been blown out of proportion a bit is that he's been in limbo. He's known since the summer that he'd be traded. It's OK. In some ways he's looking forward to going to Minnesota."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/10/5098043/self-wiggins-wants-to-be-traded.html

Basically confirmin Lebron only went back to Cleveland because he knew Love would get traded there.

Soooooo damn shady

[Kblaze8855]

It sounds like hes saying he needs to be forced to be great from a motivation standpoint....but im guessing something is lost without context.

[navy]

Basically confirmin Lebron only went back to Cleveland because he knew Love would get traded there.

Soooooo damn shady
It's still Summer....

[NBAplayoffs2001]

pretty sure most top picks would want to play somewhere that they can be the #1 option.

I've been thinking that too. I think it's also the main reason why Evan Turner got really screwed when he was drafted by the 76ers. Andre Iguodala was just a way better version of Evan Turner at the time, to this day I think they should have gone with Derrick Favors.

[NattyPButter]

If you are asking for him back in 7 years you made the right choice.

well I'm looking at it at a contract stand point. Even though it could be longer then that. I expect him to be real good in 2 to 3 years though.

[OncePerMonth]

Bennett on the other hand will suck either way, so he might as well wish to stay on the Cavs.

[stalkerforlife]

Wiggins has his own team now.

That's what alphas want.

I like his personality so far.

[lakerfreak]

Good for wiggins to want this, and even better for someone like Jabari Parker who tanked his workout to send the message crystal clear from the beginning.

a team that has had 4 (or 5) top picks the last few years, who just signed lebron and is about to acquire k. love, is no place for a top pick aspiring to be a superstar.

Good for Cleveland to open their minds to this, and good for Minnesota to handle their rebuilding process wisely. With Rubio being their main man, which makes Ricky happy, and Wiggins being the number one focus of development on that team, the timberwolves can look to build around a promising young core for several years to come.

[senelcoolidge]

sure Wigs:rolleyes:
Lebron had that talk with him, now he wanted to get traded. Sure. Cavs aren't winning and championships anyway.

[DukeDelonte13]

has a player ever after being traded been like, "Nah, i didn't wanted to get traded here".

I'm sure Wiggins is just happy that the speculation is over and he can just begin his career and play some bball.

If they would have announced he was staying he would have made statements on how happy he is to stay with Lebron.

[poido123]

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't Canadians tend to be a little more reserved?

Wiggins probably wants to avoid a guy with Lebron's diva tendencies and ego on a team?

[Cocaine80s]

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't Canadians tend to be a little more reserved?

Wiggins probably wants to avoid a guy with Lebron's diva tendencies and ego on a team?
lol

[FireMcFailPlease]

Wiggins is going to like it here.


Happy and ready to start a new era.

[gilalizard]

Good for him.

The guy wants to forge his own identity and destiny, not be a bit-player in LeBron's narrative.

[dubeta]

Lebron gave him the opportunity to stay and win rings early, and be on a potential championship team, instead Wiggins declines and wants to be lottery bound in Minnesota :lol

Thats today's generation for you

[alanLA92]

Lebron gave him the opportunity to stay and win rings early, and be on a potential championship team, instead Wiggins declines and wants to be lottery bound in Minnesota :lol

Thats today's generation for you

Wiggins had a choice? :facepalm

[D-Rose]

Lebron gave him the opportunity to stay and win rings early, and be on a potential championship team, instead Wiggins declines and wants to be lottery bound in Minnesota :lol

Thats today's generation for you
:roll:

[miles berg]

Rubio & Wiggins are going to be fantastic together.

Can't wait to watch them.

[poido123]

Rubio & Wiggins are going to be fantastic together.

Can't wait to watch them.


I think they are a good pairing, I must admit.

Rubio will be able to find Wiggins on countless alley oops.

[JohnFreeman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't Canadians tend to be a little more reserved?

Wiggins probably wants to avoid a guy with Lebron's diva tendencies and ego on a team?
I don't think him and LeBron have actually spoken

[NuggetsFan]

If I'm Wiggins I'd be pumped. Shots, minutes, bigger role. Great for development and an underrated for prospects. He would have took a backseat to LeBron and Irving for atleast 2 years, and that can affect a players development. A longer leash and the green light is important.

Different situation but I still think Beasley would have turned out different had he went to a team like Seattle/similar situation to Durant instead of going to Miami with prime Wade looking at the playoffs.

Minnesota will let him play through his mistakes and demand a more aggressive style.

[LoneyROY7]

:applause:

Wiggins is gonna be an absolute monster. In 5 years, EVERYONE will be destroying Cleveland for this move.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't Canadians tend to be a little more reserved?

Wiggins probably wants to avoid a guy with Lebron's diva tendencies and ego on a team?

Canadians to me come off as more simple than Americans in a good way.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

If I'm Wiggins I'd be pumped. Shots, minutes, bigger role. Great for development and an underrated for prospects. He would have took a backseat to LeBron and Irving for atleast 2 years, and that can affect a players development. A longer leash and the green light is important.

Different situation but I still think Beasley would have turned out different had he went to a team like Seattle/similar situation to Durant instead of going to Miami with prime Wade looking at the playoffs.

Minnesota will let him play through his mistakes and demand a more aggressive style.

Well at that point Beasley really had no excuse. We aren't talking about the 2005 squad or the 2006 squad. On those two teams, he's coming off the bench most likely but there was no reason for him to have performed as badly as he had career wise. Evan Turner is an example of an individual that IMO was overhyped because of his maturity and IQ for the game but his lack of athleticism is very evident once he became a pro.

[COnDEMnED]

"When all this trade stuff started, I talked to Andrew and Andrew told me, "I hope I get traded," Self said. "And I'm like, 'No you don't.' And he said, "Coach, I do. It's better for me, knowing my personality and what I need to do, to go somewhere where I'm forced to be something as opposed to going in there where they're going to be patient with me and I'm going to be a piece."

<snippet>

"Even though in a weird way everybody would love the opportunity to play with LeBron because you're guaranteed winning," Self said, "for the longevity of his career, he needs to develop that mindset to be the guy, for him to be great, and I think being Minnesota will help him do that."

<snippet>

"I think he's handled everything great. He's excited," Self said. "I think the whole thing that's been blown out of proportion a bit is that he's been in limbo. He's known since the summer that he'd be traded. It's OK. In some ways he's looking forward to going to Minnesota."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/10/5098043/self-wiggins-wants-to-be-traded.html
He sounded pretty intelligent until the bolded. Playing with Lebron is no guarantee win, ask anyone in Cleveland, fans or past players.

[KBaller33]

Does anyone think a Wiggins-LeBron combo would be exciting?Especially on a fast break? This trade is the best for both teams though. The Cavs are contenders and the Wolves get to start over their rebuild.

[Milbuck]

Rubio-Lavine-Wiggins-Dieng with Muhammad and GRIII off the bench..that's a sick young core. With good coaching and a bit of luck, meaning both Lavine and Wiggins pan out, they could be an elite team in like 3-4 years.

[FLDFSU]

Is Lebron James the only one that knew that the Cavs would be contenders? Does Wade, Bosh, Melo, Deng etc. not have the foresight or advisers around them to evaluate the Cleveland situation and determine that the Cavs were prime with the assets to acquire Kevin Love this Summer and become contenders?

From what I recall, Love already rejected the Cavs once this year when the Cavs attempted to bring him to Cleveland. Did he not know that the Cavs would be contenders?

Melo flew 1/2 around the world last month listening to offers on how he be on a contender but not once do I recall Melo making a visit to Cleveland. Does Melo not have smart people around him screaming at him to look at the Cavs as a viable option if he wanted to contend?

Does Lebron have some inside information that no else in the league has on Cleveland? Not even Deng, who fled from Cleveland at first chance he got, is privy to?

[Angel Face]

Wiggins bringing back the old school era competitive mentality.

Parker tanked his work out to avoid being drafted by the Cavs...
Wiggins wanting to be traded, doesn't want easy rings...

Old school competitiveness. I like this draft class.

:applause:

[KNOW1EDGE]

It seems like that is honestly the type of dude Wiggins is.

I like his mentality and drive to be THE guy, I'd like to see him do it. Minny could be pretty good next year if theyes can add some front court depth.

[wally_world]

Teams aside, would you rather live in Cleveland or Minnesota? :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

I love the bickering and the drama. Kid is ending up a Laker and we all know it. :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

bram Is such a bitch. good for wiggins leaving that hell hole. atleast he wont get thrown under the bus by cavs fans
:roll:

[DukeDelonte13]

:applause:

Wiggins is gonna be an absolute monster. In 5 years, EVERYONE will be destroying Cleveland for this move.


if it takes 5 years cavs made the right move.

[R.I.P.]

It seems like that is honestly the type of dude Wiggins is.

I like his mentality and drive to be THE guy, I'd like to see him do it. Minny could be pretty good next year if theyes can add some front court depth.

I think what he is saying is the opposite. He hates losing like most athletes, but for his own development he needs to be challenged. He can play mediocre, not develop his game, have a nice life and possibly still win titles with LeBron, while if he goes to Minnesota he

[JtotheIzzo]

Its competitive nature.

First you are like 'damn! we got LeBron man, I am gonna bust my ass to help us win a championship, and I can learn from this guy everyday!' Totally stoked.

But then the rumors start, and you feel a bit hurt, then the coach and management start telling you not to worry, but you hear the rumors and understand the logic behind them, so you are like 'ya know what, f*ck these guys and this loser organization, they wanna move me, I am gonna come back and bust their ass!'

I think at first he was hurt a bit as anyone would be when you are not wanted, but I think that provides great motivation. Kid popped his 'this game is a business' cherry early, should help him down the road in pressure situations.

Huge leap for his maturity, first the guy skips his last year of high school, goes to Kansas, struggles to find his way but still gets second team all American, now gets dissed before his first pro game. I cannot wait to see how he comes back. Someone is getting dunked on.

[IGOTGAME]

Its competitive nature.

First you are like 'damn! we got LeBron man, I am gonna bust my ass to help us win a championship, and I can learn from this guy everyday!' Totally stoked.

But then the rumors start, and you feel a bit hurt, then the coach and management start telling you not to worry, but you hear the rumors and understand the logic behind them, so you are like 'ya know what, f*ck these guys and this loser organization, they wanna move me, I am gonna come back and bust their ass!'

I think at first he was hurt a bit as anyone would be when you are not wanted, but I think that provides great motivation. Kid popped his 'this game is a business' cherry early, should help him down the road in pressure situations.

Huge leap for his maturity, first the guy skips his last year of high school, goes to Kansas, struggles to find his way but still gets second team all American, now gets dissed before his first pro game. I cannot wait to see how he comes back. Someone is getting dunked on.

might be Bron Bron

[GimmeThat]

so did the Cavs wanted Love, or did Wiggins wanted the Wolves or just anything but the Cavs?

[BoutPractice]

Being snubbed can be a powerful motivational tool (just ask Michael...).

Add to that the opportunity to be a core player from the start, and Wiggins' chances to make a play for ROY are looking much better than they did a month ago.

I still believe staying with the Cavs could have made him even better in the long term, though.

[DMV2]

He sounded pretty intelligent until the bolded. Playing with Lebron is no guarantee win, ask anyone in Cleveland, fans or past players.
He could meant winning vs rebuilding. Pretty sure that's what he meant.

[boozehound]

"I didnt want to take her to prom anyways." Ok there

[nightprowler10]

It's better for me, knowing my personality and what I need to do, to go somewhere where I'm forced to be something as opposed to going in there where they're going to be patient with me and I'm going to be a piece."

I can respect that.

[chosen_one6]

He sounded pretty intelligent until the bolded. Playing with Lebron is no guarantee win, ask anyone in Cleveland, fans or past players.
Don't be a dumb ass. LeBron has made the playoffs for 9 years straight. Playing with him guarantees 50+ wins and a trip to the conference finals.

[STATUTORY]

no self respecting alpha with game ever want to play with bran

[Optimus Prime]

:applause:

Wiggins is gonna be an absolute monster. In 5 years, EVERYONE will be destroying Cleveland for this move.

In 5 years, Cleveland with LeBron and Love will have won a ring or two. You always trade mysterious, possible future potential for championships. Only the ignorant will be "destroying Cleveland" for this move. :facepalm

[JerrySeinfeld]

In 5 years, Cleveland with LeBron and Love will have won a ring or two.

Not that I disagree, but what if they don't?

Wiggins has so much potential, I just don't see how you can pass that up...

[LoneyROY7]

In 5 years, Cleveland with LeBron and Love will have won a ring or two. You always trade mysterious, possible future potential for championships. Only the ignorant will be "destroying Cleveland" for this move. :facepalm

:lol

I can just as easily say they won't have any titles.

[Optimus Prime]

Not that I disagree, but what if they don't?

Wiggins has so much potential, I just don't see how you can pass that up...

You can play the "What If?" game until you're blue in the face. What if Wiggins is a bust, or just a role player? What if Wiggins blows out his knee and is never the same?

The fact of the matter is that Cleveland just got LeBron back, the best player currently in the NBA. However, he's going to be 30. If you have the opportunity to trade a "might be a star someday" rookie for a "is a star now" player that increases your chances of winning a ring during LeBron's prime, you do it. Without a second thought. Which is why you don't see many real NBA analysts criticizing the move. You always go for championships.

There are plenty of star players in the league, but only one team takes home the gold every year. If you find yourself in the position that your team is one of the contenders, you do everything possible to push the team over the top and win a ring while you still can. :kobe:

[Optimus Prime]

:lol

I can just as easily say they won't have any titles.

LeBron has been in the last 4 Finals and is still in his prime.

The East is still pretty terrible, and Cleveland will be rather stacked.

You're a "Clippers fan" with a Blake and CP3 avatar.

Enough said. :confusedshrug:

[LoneyROY7]

LeBron has been in the last 4 Finals and is still in his prime.

The East is still pretty terrible, and Cleveland will be rather stacked.

You're a "Clippers fan" with a Blake and CP3 avatar.

Enough said. :confusedshrug:

Me being a Clippers fan has nothing to do with this thread at all. :lol

I don't believe Cleveland will have won a single title in 5 years. Deal with it.

[COnDEMnED]

Don't be a dumb ass. LeBron has made the playoffs for 9 years straight. Playing with him guarantees 50+ wins and a trip to the conference finals.
9 years in the east, including his stint with Miami, and only 2 rings. If that's your argument, he could be more of a winner by playing for the Spurs. I agree with you if you consider making the playoffs as an equivalent of winning the championship. If that's all it takes to be a winner, consider me a multi championship winner with my 1 baseball championship trophy and my 2 second place Babe Ruth titles.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I admire this kid, he seems like the anti-LeBron (actually wanting the responsibility to carry a team). Its a tough gig in Minnesota cause of the small market.

I just hope he stays (or that Minnesota can build around him) and does not take off like Love down the road.

[scandisk_]

sounds like a pipe-dream, but what if Air-wigz is da real air/heir to the throne? :eek:

[Angel Face]

sounds like a pipe-dream, but what if Air-wigz is da real air/heir to the throne? :eek:

:eek:

:pimp:

[LBJ 23]

I admire this kid, he seems like the anti-LeBron (actually wanting the responsibility to carry a team).

Please elaborate

[Arhen]

Wiggins wont be an Alpha, he will be Pippen, he will find an alpha.

Embiid is an Alpha, and hopefully if he stays healthy, he will become a player unlike any other.

This coming from someone who is from Canada, a Wiggins diehard fan from high school days, watched every game from last year of highschool and kansas.

Wiggins is special find though, and just finds a way to contribute without being the focus, will be a very worthwhile number 1 pick, and better then love within 2 years.

[ImKobe]

I think they are a good pairing, I must admit.

Rubio will be able to find Wiggins on countless alley oops.

Wolves are a must watch for me this season, I'm dying to see Wiggins play in the big league after all that hype. I'm thinking shades of Pippen, who didn't come into the league as a complete player either, but learned from others and thanks to his leadership, made his team a lot better. Wiggins seems like he's too reserved, but he's just a kid and he's still growing into a man. His numbers were similar to MJ's freshman season numbers, so college really doesn't mean anything, when top college players all-time have been busts in the NBA.