[robert_shaww]

Nowitzki played in a weaker era with better teammates, just won 1 ring in his entire carrer because of that lucky game 2 of the finals (down 71-88 with 7min left).

Malone is the 2nd greatest scorer ever, and just because he lost against Jordan Bulls twice in the finals and was really very very close of winning any of those series he is an inferior player?

I dont get it.

Really, why is Dirk Better?

[Nastradamus]

DIrk obviously played in the stronger era, but almost nobody considers Dirk better than Malone. Malone is the #2 all time PF pretty solidly.

[Nowitness]

karl - 24.6 ppg - 526 ts%

dirk - 25.6 ppg - .579 ts%

better scorer. :biggums:

[robert_shaww]

karl - 24.6 ppg - 526 ts%

dirk - 25.6 ppg - .579 ts%

better scorer. :biggums:

lol at nowitzki a better scorer than the 2nd of all time, only kareem is better than Karl....:facepalm

[Beastmode88]

In before Karl Malone is the best power forward of all time. :roll:

[robert_shaww]

In before Karl Malone is the best power forward of all time. :roll:

2nd best. Duncan is better, i admit that....but now nowitzki???? because he one 1 ring....come on....

[Beastmode88]

2nd best. Duncan is better, i admit that....but now nowitzki???? because he one 1 ring....come on....

WHOA WHOA WHOA. when was this acknowledged? T_L_P rejoice! :rockon:

[Phiology]

Stats were posted above.

1 ring (one might argue that the number of rings isnt that important, I do think so too, but for 90% it is vital to being a top player)

more versatile on offence, better for teams spacing

more help? malone played his career with frickin top 5 (top 10) pg stockton and lights out hornacek. Also had a supposedly good coach in Sloan as well (even though the three players might have rubbed off more on him than otherwise).

I think it's a fair assumption that Nowitzki is better, but in PF battles, one can always argue otherwise because of different time/different player style.

[stalkerforlife]

Because Dirk raised his level of play when it mattered the most, the playoffs.

[LakersDaBEst]

Dirk is not

[robert_shaww]

Because Dirk raised his level of play when it mattered the most, the playoffs.

oh, great, so what if Dirks mavs faced Jordan bulls in the finals???

[stalkerforlife]

oh, great, so what if Dirks mavs faced Jordan bulls in the finals???

I don't know, what if? What if my aunt had balls? What if Malone faced Shaq, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Allen, etc?

Dirk took out the most stacked team of all time IN THEIR PRIME. All those boys were young and healthy.

[robert_shaww]

I don't know, what if? What if my aunt had balls? What if Malone faced Shaq, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Allen, etc?

Dirk took out the most stacked team of all time IN THEIR PRIME. All those boys were young and healthy.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

now i understand those "red squares" you are writting stuff that definitely makes people angry"

[stalkerforlife]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Dude, relative to the era and the talent at the given time.

I am not saying the Heat were the best team ever, even according to talent.

[robert_shaww]

Look, come on...lets be good...

If those mavs are playing against Jordan Bulls....thats a 4 game series...and you know it. thats all im asking for...admit it.

[stalkerforlife]

Look, come on...lets be good...

If those mavs are playing against Jordan Bulls....thats a 4 game series...and you know it. thats all im asking for...admit it.

What about the 16 or so times when they didn't play the Bulls?

And how would that Jazz team fare against the Heat?

[robert_shaww]

What about the 16 or so times when they didn't play the Bulls?

And how would that Jazz team fare against the Heat?

those jazz against 11 heat would have won easily...and those mavs against jordan bulls, would have probaly lost in 4, maybe 5.

[robert_shaww]

What about the 16 or so times when they didn't play the Bulls?

And how would that Jazz team fare against the Heat?

what about the 16 times nowitzki choked in the playoffs?

[stalkerforlife]

what about the 16 times nowitzki choked in the playoffs?

He's only played 16 seasons, dude. I believe 1 of which was cut short due to a severe injury. So 15.

:coleman:

[stalkerforlife]

Listen Robert, you're one of my favorite posters here. I vouch for you. However, that doesn't mean I won't destroy you. I will humble you.

[robert_shaww]

He's only played 16 seasons, dude. I believe 1 of which was cut short due to a severe injury. So 15.

:coleman:

do you know malone scored 37.000 points?

[robert_shaww]

Listen Robert, you're one of my favorite posters here. I vouch for you. However, that doesn't mean I won't destroy you. I will humble you.

:rockon:

[stalkerforlife]

:rockon:

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

do you know malone scored 37.000 points?

Very impressive longevity. Maybe the best longevity ever.

Truthfully, I don't have a huge problem if you want to rank Malone higher. You may be right and I may be biased.

[robert_shaww]

Very impressive longevity. Maybe the best longevity ever.

Truthfully, I don't have a huge problem if you want to rank Malone higher. You may be right and I may be biased.

can you explain me why the heat lost to the spurs...i still dont get it (seriously)

[Legends66NBA7]

what about the 16 times nowitzki choked in the playoffs?

What about the 19 times Malone choked ?

[stalkerforlife]

can you explain me why the heat lost to the spurs...i still dont get it (seriously)

Head scratcher, dude. Lebron's unwillingness to take more shots certainly didn't help.

Plus, the Spurs were on of the best passing teams I have ever seen.

[ImKobe]

karl - 24.6 ppg - 526 ts%

dirk - 25.6 ppg - .579 ts%

better scorer. :biggums:

Malone's career averages are lower because he played until his 40s, a very long and a consistent career in terms of production

for 11 straight seasons, he averaged 27 or more points per game

from 87-98 regular season

27.6 ppg 10.9 rpg 3.5 apg 1.5 spg 0.9 bpg on 53%FG, 59%TS, 25.4 PER :bowdown:

87-98 Playoffs

27.1 ppg 11.5 rpg 3 apg 1.4 spg 0.8 bpg on 47%FG, 53%TS, 22.7 PER

Nowitzki NEVER averaged 27 ppg for an NBA season, his rebounding and assist numbers are also inferior, TS% and PER are pretty much identical for the two, though Dirk's numbers are better in the Playoffs, but Malone was better in the Finals.

Though everyone says Heat won the 06 Finals because of Wade getting so many calls, it would have been a lot closer had Dirk shot better than 39% from the field and 25% from 3, Malone's production is more consistent, though he did screw up in crunch time of the 98 Finals Game 6...

Overall I'd say it's pretty close, Dirk obviously has the edge with the 2011 championship run, Malone has the edge with his longetivity, rebounding, scoring, passing.

Personally, I think Malone is the better player, but Dirk's had the better career. Championship >>>

[robert_shaww]

What about the 19 times Malone choked ?

didnt choked....just weak teammates and a stronger era (80

[stalkerforlife]

Malone's career averages are lower because he played until his 40s, a very long and a consistent career in terms of production

for 11 straight seasons, he averaged 27 or more points per game

from 87-98 regular season

27.6 ppg 10.9 rpg 3.5 apg 1.5 spg 0.9 bpg on 53%FG, 59%TS, 25.4 PER :bowdown:

87-98 Playoffs

27.1 ppg 11.5 rpg 3 apg 1.4 spg 0.8 bpg on 47%FG, 53%TS, 22.7 PER

Nowitzki NEVER averaged over 26 ppg for an NBA season, his rebounding and assist numbers are also inferior, TS% and PER are pretty much identical for the two, though Dirk's numbers are better in the Playoffs, but Malone was better in the Finals.

Though everyone says Heat won the 06 Finals because of Wade getting so many calls, it would have been a lot closer had Dirk shot better than 39% from the field and 25% from 3, Malone's production is more consistent, though he did screw up in crunch time of the 98 Finals Game 6...

Overall I'd say it's pretty close, Dirk obviously has the edge with the 2011 championship run, Malone has the edge with his longetivity, rebounding, scoring, passing.

Personally, I think Malone is the better player, but Dirk's had the better career. Championship >>>

Why lie, though?

[Legends66NBA7]

didnt choked....

Okay, Dirk didn't choke either than.

[ImKobe]

Why lie, though?

26.6 ppg is his career high regular season ppg, I meant he never even averaged 27 ppg, my bad

[Dragic4Life]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/01/25/nba-mavs-dirkx-large.jpg

[brain drain]

This is easy: playoff performances.

Dirk has five postseasons with a PER above 26.
Malone has zero.

[ImKobe]

This is easy: playoff performances.

Dirk has five postseasons with a PER above 26.
Malone has zero.

Yet Malone's 97 & 98 Finals numbers shit on Dirk's 06 & 11 Finals....

[JT123]

It's not just that Malone lost twice to Jordan's Bulls, it's that he came up smaller than mini-me every time his team really needed him to step up!
Misses 2 free throws at the end of game 1 of the 97 Finals, allowing Jordan to hit the game winning buzzer beater. Get's stripped at the end of game 6 of the 98 Finals, allowing Jordan to hit the game winner. :facepalm Can you imagine the reaction if that was Lebron in the place of Malone? :lol Yet for some reason people always wanna give Malone a pass for his epic fck ups.
It wasn't just those 2 bad moments I listed either, as in those two Finals series against Jordan Malone only had about 2 good games. :confusedshrug:

[brain drain]

Yet Malone's 97 & 98 Finals numbers shit on Dirk's 06 & 11 Finals....

So 23.8 ppg / 10.3 apg @48.5 TS% (Malone 97 finals) "shits on" 22.8/10.8 @53.0 TS% (Dirk 2006)?

And 25/10.5 @55.3 TS% (Malone 98) "shits on" 26.0/9.7 @ 53.7 TS% (Dirk 2011)?

Yeah, right.

[robert_shaww]

So 23.8 ppg / 10.3 apg @48.5 TS% (Malone 97 finals) "shits on" 22.8/10.8 @53.0 TS% (Dirk 2006)?

And 25/10.5 @55.3 TS% (Malone 98) "shits on" 26.0/9.7 @ 53.7 TS% (Dirk 2011)?

Yeah, right.

malone played agaisnt jordan rodman and pippen. stfu

[SexSymbol]

Dirk's the better scorer, should be a two time champion

[Cone]

because he is

[robert_shaww]

Dirk's the better scorer, should be a two time champion

:facepalm

Points Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786
11 Oscar Robertson 26,710
12 Dominique Wilkins 26,668
13 John Havlicek 26,395
14 KEVIN GARNETT 25,626
15 Alex English 25,613
16 Reggie Miller 25,279
17 Jerry West 25,192
18 PAUL PIERCE 25,031
19 TIM DUNCAN 24,904
20 Patrick Ewing 24,815
21 RAY ALLEN 24,505
22 Allen Iverson 24,368
23 Charles Barkley 23,757
24 Robert Parish 23,334
25 VINCE CARTER 23,190

[SexSymbol]

:facepalm

Points Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 Michael Jordan 32,292
4 KOBE BRYANT 31,700
5 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419
6 Shaquille O'Neal 28,596
7 Moses Malone 27,409
8 Elvin Hayes 27,313
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 26,946
10 DIRK NOWITZKI 26,786
11 Oscar Robertson 26,710
12 Dominique Wilkins 26,668
13 John Havlicek 26,395
14 KEVIN GARNETT 25,626
15 Alex English 25,613
16 Reggie Miller 25,279
17 Jerry West 25,192
18 PAUL PIERCE 25,031
19 TIM DUNCAN 24,904
20 Patrick Ewing 24,815
21 RAY ALLEN 24,505
22 Allen Iverson 24,368
23 Charles Barkley 23,757
24 Robert Parish 23,334
25 VINCE CARTER 23,190

Allen Iverson is a better scorer than Malone, his total is also lower.

[Cone]

what about the 16 times nowitzki choked in the playoffs?

so losing in the playoffs = choking?

i guess dirk averaging 35/12/4 on 53/39/92% vs a better denver team is choking, huh?

[robert_shaww]

so losing in the playoffs = choking?

i guess dirk averaging 35/12/4 on 53/39/92% vs a better denver team is choking, huh?

go watch the golden state series in 2007.

[ralph_i_el]

Goddamn I'm biting. Quit trying to use the all time point list as a scorer ranking.

I always fall for these weak trolls ****

[robert_shaww]

Goddamn I'm biting. Quit trying to use the all time point list as a scorer ranking.

I always fall for these weak trolls ****

ok...so now the all time scorer raking is a weak argument? 37.000 pts is nothing.... :facepalm :facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

ok...so now the all time scorer raking is a weak argument? 37.000 pts is nothing.... :facepalm :facepalm
Damn near the weakest argument. Longevity and era have nothing to do with actual scoring ability. If you really think Malone is the second best scorer ever you are mentally ****ed. I just have to assume you don't even like basketball and have never watched it.

[97 bulls]

I can why Nowitzki would rank higher due to the championship. But Malone is the better player.

[nzahir]

Because all idiots look at are rings and not the era they played in or how much talent was on their team. Rings are a TEAM accomplishment.

[r0drig0lac]

because he is
:applause:

[SexSymbol]

Because all idiots look at are rings and not the era they played in or how much talent was on their team. Rings are a TEAM accomplishment.
Malone couldn't replace what Dirk did on the 11 team

[KevinNYC]

can you explain me why the heat lost to the spurs...i still dont get it (seriously)

The Spurs put 5 guys who can shoot the ball on the floor at any given time and then they pass, pass, pass until they get a good look. Miami couldn't double-team anyone and get away with it. Miami couldn't cheat or relax on defense. It tired Miami out. When the Spurs offense is flowing, they are ridiculously hard to beat.

[97 bulls]

The Spurs put 5 guys who can shoot the ball on the floor at any given time and then they pass, pass, pass until they get a good look. Miami couldn't double-team anyone and get away with it. Miami couldn't cheat or relax on defense. It tired Miami out. When the Spurs offense is flowing, they are ridiculously hard to beat.
Miami just didn't want it as bad. There's no one on that team that commands a double team. Miamis defense sucked. Far too many open threes. And the Spurs hit them.

I also feel the Spurs had a huge chip on their shoulder and were licking their chops to get back at Miami.

[riseagainst]

Dirk has a better chance at being the 2nd GOAT PF than Malone does.

[houston]

Because Dirk raised his level of play when it mattered the most, the playoffs.


yup

[Kvnzhangyay]

Dude, relative to the era and the talent at the given time.

I am not saying the Heat were the best team ever, even according to talent.

Cmon man we both know the only reason Dirk won a ring was because Bran shit the bed :lol

[masonanddixon]

I can why Nowitzki would rank higher due to the championship. But Malone is the better player.

Of course Malone is better. He's the blacker of the two.

[ImKobe]

So 23.8 ppg / 10.3 apg @48.5 TS% (Malone 97 finals) "shits on" 22.8/10.8 @53.0 TS% (Dirk 2006)?

And 25/10.5 @55.3 TS% (Malone 98) "shits on" 26.0/9.7 @ 53.7 TS% (Dirk 2011)?

Yeah, right.

Nice of you to use the TS, Malone's FG% shits on Dirk's while we all know that Dirk is a much better shooter.

Also worth noting that Malone played against 3 of the GOAT defenders in Rodman, Scottie & Jordan, who swarmed him the entire series. Yet he put up better numbers than Dirk.

You honestly want to tell me that Dirk's 06 Finals has shit on what Malone did in 97? or Malone's 98 Finals vs Dirk's 11? In both cases, Malone faced the better team.

TS% is not a fair use here when Dirk is obviously the much better FT shooter, but couldn't shoot worth a lick from the field in 06.

You also conveniently left out the assist and steals numbers, like they have no impact on the game.

Even the 98 Finals game, where Bulls played GOAT level defense and completely shut down the Jazz, Malone had 22 points on 73% shooting, think about that.

[no pun intended]

Holy shit. Dirk is always so heavily underrated.

[Reggie43]

Four pages and no one has mentioned the huge defensive advantage that Malone has over Dirk? He was the anchor for those Jazz teams on both ends of the floor.

[ralph_i_el]

Nice of you to use the TS, Malone's FG% shits on Dirk's while we all know that Dirk is a much better shooter.

Also worth noting that Malone played against 3 of the GOAT defenders in Rodman, Scottie & Jordan, who swarmed him the entire series. Yet he put up better numbers than Dirk.

You honestly want to tell me that Dirk's 06 Finals has shit on what Malone did in 97? or Malone's 98 Finals vs Dirk's 11? In both cases, Malone faced the better team.

TS% is not a fair use here when Dirk is obviously the much better FT shooter, but couldn't shoot worth a lick from the field in 06.

You also conveniently left out the assist and steals numbers, like they have no impact on the game.

Even the 98 Finals game, where Bulls played GOAT level defense and completely shut down the Jazz, Malone had 22 points on 73% shooting, think about that.

You know ft's are worth points too right? And when you **** then up like malone you can screw over your own team.

Why the **** would you compare fg% between two players when one doesn't shoot 3's? That's pretty ****ing retarded if you ask me. You know if you shoot from behind the arc its worth more points right?

Stats aren't fair to use because your guy can't shoot :facepalm shooting is...pretty important...


Malone was a finisher who played for a long time with a great point guard. Dirk is an offense in and of himself. Spacing doesn't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that he can roll or pop equally well doesn't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that dirk can get you a shot at any time doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

One of these dudes is clutch...one was a choker.

Malone is a nostalgia glorified bake griffin

22 points on 73% :roll: why didn't he take more shots then? Oh yeah, because he was only took easy shots.

[dgaras]

dirk can create from 0. could malone do that? you cant go wrong with either player
yao could do the same. thats what made him a potential top 5 center if he never got injured.
but wait. ill just get negged like before from biased fans.

[Thorpesaurous]

Dirk is better than Karl Malone because of the versatility of his scoring ability. How pliable he is as a scorer makes him one of the all time mismatch guys ever. He scores from the block against smaller guys. Off the bounce midrange. Catch and shoot stretching the floor. Probably the best pick and pop guy ever. And totally warps the floor when he runs from the elbows. That flexibility means you can attack multiple teams in multiple ways.

I was never a Malone fan, and he's a guy that's right in my generational wheelhouse. But in spite of all the points, he was an incredibly limited scorer. Generally speaking, there are two types of scorers in the NBA. Karl Malone was probably the best ever of one type, the type that makes the shots he's supposed to make. He runs the floor incredibly for his size, and gets easy buckets. He knocks down those pick and semi role buckets with remarkable consistency. And he used his frame down low to create easy opportunities. But when the shit hit the fan, he could neither create for others, nor could he create and make the tough shots himself. He's just a great easy bucket getter. Dirk on the other hand is a tough shot maker, and title or not, that's what makes a guy someone you can use to contend. Those Jazz teams put the ball in John Stockton's hands when the game was on the line, or even Jeff Hornacek, far more often than Karl, because they were far more inclined to create a play, or make a tough shot.

And Malone, who I know has an All-D team in there somewhere, was just a terrible defender. He was good enough against the ball. But he was a miserable help defender at a position where that's way more important. The rebounding gap is real, but even that can probably be made up for in style of offensive usage to a degree.

And frankly if I were building a team I'd take Kevin McHale over either of them.

[Reggie43]

Dirk is better than Karl Malone because of the versatility of his scoring ability. How pliable he is as a scorer makes him one of the all time mismatch guys ever. He scores from the block against smaller guys. Off the bounce midrange. Catch and shoot stretching the floor. Probably the best pick and pop guy ever. And totally warps the floor when he runs from the elbows. That flexibility means you can attack multiple teams in multiple ways.

I was never a Malone fan, and he's a guy that's right in my generational wheelhouse. But in spite of all the points, he was an incredibly limited scorer. Generally speaking, there are two types of scorers in the NBA. Karl Malone was probably the best ever of one type, the type that makes the shots he's supposed to make. He runs the floor incredibly for his size, and gets easy buckets. He knocks down those pick and semi role buckets with remarkable consistency. And he used his frame down low to create easy opportunities. But when the shit hit the fan, he could neither create for others, nor could he create and make the tough shots himself. He's just a great easy bucket getter. Dirk on the other hand is a tough shot maker, and title or not, that's what makes a guy someone you can use to contend. Those Jazz teams put the ball in John Stockton's hands when the game was on the line, or even Jeff Hornacek, far more often than Karl, because they were far more inclined to create a play, or make a tough shot.

And Malone, who I know has an All-D team in there somewhere, was just a terrible defender. He was good enough against the ball. But he was a miserable help defender at a position where that's way more important. The rebounding gap is real, but even that can probably be made up for in style of offensive usage to a degree.

And frankly if I were building a team I'd take Kevin McHale over either of them.

http://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/karl-malone-ultimate-power-forward-defense/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ezVqa2Z8o

[robert_shaww]

the 2011 finals dirk perfomance is the most overrated of all time.

[ralph_i_el]

http://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/karl-malone-ultimate-power-forward-defense/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ezVqa2Z8o

Oh well if a jazz basketball website tells me Malone was a great defender I just HAVE to take them at their word. :rolleyes:

[CeltsGarlic]

dirk can create from 0. could malone do that? you cant go wrong with either player
yao could do the same. thats what made him a potential top 5 center if he never got injured.
but wait. ill just get negged like before from biased fans.

lol like anyone gives a shit about your opinion.:oldlol:

[ImKobe]

You know ft's are worth points too right? And when you **** then up like malone you can screw over your own team.

Why the **** would you compare fg% between two players when one doesn't shoot 3's? That's pretty ****ing retarded if you ask me. You know if you shoot from behind the arc its worth more points right?

Stats aren't fair to use because your guy can't shoot :facepalm shooting is...pretty important...


Malone was a finisher who played for a long time with a great point guard. Dirk is an offense in and of himself. Spacing doesn't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that he can roll or pop equally well doesn't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that dirk can get you a shot at any time doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

One of these dudes is clutch...one was a choker.

Malone is a nostalgia glorified bake griffin

22 points on 73% :roll: why didn't he take more shots then? Oh yeah, because he was only took easy shots.

Because the Jazz got blown out and he only played 31 minutes, they lost by 42 points because no one else could score in that game, it started off close with Malone making every shot, he had the highest ORTG out of any starters and the lowest DRTG, he led the starters in TS%, other guys combined for 6/26 shooting (23%)....

I never even said that Malone was greater than Dirk, I said they both have arguments that would put one over another (in Dirk's case, the championship run, in Malone's case, the edge on the numbers and scoring more points).

AND I SAID that Dirk had the better career, Malone to me was the better individual player, but I'd rank Dirk over him all-time because accolades matter. Otherwise, many other players would be ranked higher than they currently are (Ewing, D-Rob, Zo, Penny)... It's not just about stats, it's also about winning.

[Lebron23]

Malone was better than Dirk.

[Reggie43]

Oh well if a jazz basketball website tells me Malone was a great defender I just HAVE to take them at their word. :rolleyes:

How about when the coaches tell you that he was a great defender when they voted him NBA All-Defensive Team three times, would you believe them then?

[nathanjizzle]

Malone, and i didnt even have to use a monicum of brain electrotivity to decide that.

[ralph_i_el]

How about when the coaches tell you that he was a great defender when they voted him NBA All-Defensive Team three times, would you believe them then?
All-d teams are a joke. Its all politics and propping up star a

[ralph_i_el]

Because the Jazz got blown out and he only played 31 minutes, they lost by 42 points because no one else could score in that game, it started off close with Malone making every shot, he had the highest ORTG out of any starters and the lowest DRTG, he led the starters in TS%, other guys combined for 6/26 shooting (23%)....

I never even said that Malone was greater than Dirk, I said they both have arguments that would put one over another (in Dirk's case, the championship run, in Malone's case, the edge on the numbers and scoring more points).

AND I SAID that Dirk had the better career, Malone to me was the better individual player, but I'd rank Dirk over him all-time because accolades matter. Otherwise, many other players would be ranked higher than they currently are (Ewing, D-Rob, Zo, Penny)... It's not just about stats, it's also about winning.

I don't care about stats OR winning. Its what skills you bring to the court. I don't want a PF who can't stretch the floor, hit free throws, or protect the rim. I don't want my best player to be unable to create his own shot. In today's league Malone is at BEST Blake Griffin.

You're right, those guys should be ranked higher. People get obsessed with accolades. I care about what roles a player can fill, how well they do it, and what "superstar" things they can do that no one else can. Everything else is entirely dependent on team context.

[ArbitraryWater]

Look, come on...lets be good...

If those mavs are playing against Jordan Bulls....thats a 4 game series...and you know it. thats all im asking for...admit it.


You can't compare that, though...

Different teams, different era...

2011 Mavs running hot on the '98 Bulls?

Dirk 2011 post-season was better than '98 MJ too, so why not.

[ImKobe]

I don't care about stats OR winning. Its what skills you bring to the court. I don't want a PF who can't stretch the floor, hit free throws, or protect the rim. I don't want my best player to be unable to create his own shot. In today's league Malone is at BEST Blake Griffin.

Other than dunking, what does Blake Griffin do at least as well as Malone? Malone was a 38% jumpshooter at 39 years old (with nearly a 1000 attempts), while Griffin last season shot 35% on less attempts.

I don't have prime Malone's shooting numbers, so it's hard to compare, but I suspect at least a few above 40% mid-range shooting seasons when he shot as high as 39% on J's in his twilight years.

[ImKobe]

You can't compare that, though...

Different teams, different era...

2011 Mavs running hot on the '98 Bulls?

Dirk 2011 post-season was better than '98 MJ too, so why not.


:biggums: :coleman:

[ralph_i_el]

Other than dunking, what does Blake Griffin do at least as well as Malone? Malone was a 38% jumpshooter at 39 years old (with nearly a 1000 attempts), while Griffin last season shot 35% on less attempts.

I don't have prime Malone's shooting numbers, so it's hard to compare, but I suspect at least a few above 40% mid-range shooting seasons when he shot as high as 39% on J's in his twilight years.
Blake is an elite passing big and one of the best post players in the L. Second most points at the rim last season after Lebron. His shooting had improved every season. I don't doubt he'll be 40% jumpshooter. He did just finish his 4th season.

If anything BG is better at getting to the rim in the half court

[ImKobe]

Blake is an elite passing big and one of the best post players in the L. Second most points at the rim last season after Lebron. His shooting had improved every season. I don't doubt he'll be 40% jumpshooter. He did just finish his 4th season.

If anything BG is better at getting to the rim in the half court

Malone's consistency and longetivity are crazy though, do you think Dirk at 39 will be as good as Malone was at 39?

[ralph_i_el]

Malone's consistency and longetivity are crazy though, do you think Dirk at 39 will be as good as Malone was at 39?
Better. How could he not? Best big man jump shot in the L.

[Legends66NBA7]

In today's league Malone is at BEST Blake Griffin.

A rich man's Blake Griffin. I give Karl a hard time on here, but he would have been a much better player than your giving credit for.

[ralph_i_el]

A rich man's Blake Griffin. I give Karl a hard time on here, but he would have been a much better player than your giving credit for.
Maybe I'm just overrating Blake. I think he's a mid top 10 player atm.

[robert_shaww]

You can't compare that, though...

Different teams, different era...

2011 Mavs running hot on the '98 Bulls?

Dirk 2011 post-season was better than '98 MJ too, so why not.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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