Nash- most overrated MVP ever

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Who else could over take him?

No defense and all he can pass.

John Stockton could pass, defend, and led his team to 2 finals and no MVPs. :facepalm

[JT123]

He was good enough to make prime Kobe cry like a bitch for a trade. :confusedshrug:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

He was good enough to make prime Kobe cry like a bitch for a trade. :confusedshrug:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
So dumb. You do realize that Kobe was considering the Pistons when he was considering switching teams.
LeBron Stan logic :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[JimmyMcAdocious]

How many threads is that today?

[Lebronxrings]

He was good enough to make prime Kobe cry like a bitch for a trade. :confusedshrug:
nash so good, both he, kobe dwight formed a collusion! kobe couldn't beat the competition so he had to team up with them.

[T_L_P]

Never the best player in the league (arguably never top 5), but he definitely deserved at least one of his MVPs.

Lead the Suns to the second best record in the West without his second best player. Had a knack for making everyone much better. He probably had more value to his team than anyone else, which makes him the MVP.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

nash so good, both he, kobe dwight formed a collusion! kobe couldn't beat the competition so he had to team up with them.

LeBron fan saying Kobe tries to team up with them. What has LeBron been up to for the past 4 years? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Lebronxrings]

Never the best player in the league (arguably never top 5), but he definitely deserved at least one of his MVPs.

Lead the Suns to the second best record in the West without his second best player. Had a knack for making everyone much better. He probably had more value to his team than anyone else, which makes him the MVP.
would have beat the spurs... but refs.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

would have beat the spurs... but refs.

would have to play defense.... but Dantoni.

[T_L_P]

would have beat the spurs... but refs.

What happened in game 6, when the Suns had their players back and the Spurs were still missing Horry?

Oh yeah...

[JT123]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
So dumb. You do realize that Kobe was considering the Pistons when he was considering switching teams.
LeBron Stan logic :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
The Pistons who ruled the Eastern Conference at the time. Do you even know your basketball history young man? :biggums:

[dubeta]

The MVP was basically BS from 2006-2008

It was basically a career appreciation award for veterans who were considered failures (ie 10+ year veterans who never won a FMVP and/or championship)

[Lebronxrings]

The MVP was basically BS from 2006-2008

It was basically a career appreciation award for veterans who were considered failures (ie 10+ year veterans who never won a FMVP and/or championship)
yeah i agree on this. The awards were given out of pity rather then actual performance.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The MVP was basically BS from 2006-2008

It was basically a career appreciation award for veterans who were considered failures (ie 10+ year veterans who never won a FMVP and/or championship)

Yes, the MVPs during the 2012-2013 badly needed the rewards out of pity of their hairlines.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The Pistons who ruled the Eastern Conference at the time. Do you even know your basketball history young man? :biggums:

Oops it was a trade that Kobe blocked. my bad.

[dubeta]

Yes, the MVPs during the 2012-2013 badly needed the rewards out of pity of their hairlines.

LOOL kobe doesnt even have a hairline anymore

just a round belly

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Kobe-Fat.jpg

Damn this probably deserves 2 MVP's

[Aussie Dunker]

Never the best player in the league (arguably never top 5), but he definitely deserved at least one of his MVPs.

Lead the Suns to the second best record in the West without his second best player. Had a knack for making everyone much better. He probably had more value to his team than anyone else, which makes him the MVP.

I agree with this,

I would even go as far to say that he is underrated - in 2006 he beat out:
-Lebron 31/7/6
-Kobe 35/5.5/4.5
-Wade 27/5.7/6.7
-Dirk 27/9/3 and 60 wins for the Mavs...

That is in my opinion the stiffest competition for the MVP award in a VERY long time - and Steve Nash beat all those guys... Incredible really :cheers: Just shows how truly valuable he was in the league that year...

[dubeta]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10537034_934899266526729_4881329151437258974_n.jpg

[houston]

yea he a glorifed loser

[Collie]

He's considered as one of the-if not the- worst MVP of all time. How is that being overrated?

Now IF he deserved those MVPs, that's another story all together. But in terms of MVP rankings, I've never heard anyone say that he was better than anybody else.

[robert_shaww]

I agree with this,

I would even go as far to say that he is underrated - in 2006 he beat out:
-Lebron 31/7/6
-Kobe 35/5.5/4.5
-Wade 27/5.7/6.7
-Dirk 27/9/3 and 60 wins for the Mavs...

That is in my opinion the stiffest competition for the MVP award in a VERY long time - and Steve Nash beat all those guys... Incredible really :cheers: Just shows how truly valuable he was in the league that year...

no MVP......:facepalm :facepalm

[BoutPractice]

Too many people have said this... which makes him underrated.

[iamgine]

I agree with this,

I would even go as far to say that he is underrated - in 2006 he beat out:
-Lebron 31/7/6
-Kobe 35/5.5/4.5
-Wade 27/5.7/6.7
-Dirk 27/9/3 and 60 wins for the Mavs...

That is in my opinion the stiffest competition for the MVP award in a VERY long time - and Steve Nash beat all those guys... Incredible really :cheers: Just shows how truly valuable he was in the league that year...
Anyone who watched him would understand. The level of his offense at the time was among the top echelon of GOATs.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Anyone who watched him would understand. The level of his offense at the time was among the top echelon of GOATs.
Mike Dantoni's system made Raymond Felton digestible.

[kshutts1]

The troll is strong in this thread...

But by my MVP criteria, Nash probably deserved the MVPs. I remember being upset about his choice, and I think Kobe would have been a better selection, but Nash being selected made a lot of sense.

But my criteria are different than most...
1) Record barely matters. Player on a losing team can win the award.
2) Does not need to be the best player in the world.
3) Show your value, whether through added wins/competitiveness, or improving teammates, etc.
4) Number of games played needs to be significant enough where trends can be noticed/spotted, but there is no magical cut-off number.
5) Team makeup matters. I would NEVER vote for two players from the same team to be MVP. Last I checked, good teammates detract from individual value.
6) Numbers matter, but are not everything. If you lead your team in all 5 main stat categories, you're most likely my MVP. If you don't lead your team in any stat category, you're most likely not. But those are extremes.
7) This is the biggest factor working against Nash, but I do consider both sides of the ball. If you're an all-world offensive player, but a defensive sieve, I'll struggle to define you as truly valuable. Truly valuable on offense? Sure. But that value is potentially diminished on D. Nash doesn't suffer as much here as some others may, because it was a team concept to not play D, lol.

[knickswoman]

Iverson and rose says hi

[VIP2000]

I never considered him best player in the league, but his value to the team was tremendous. The Suns were awful whenever he was sitting out, and this was a team with prime Stoudemire and prime Marion.

[SCdac]

Iverson and rose says hi

Hey at least Rose lead his team in assists AND scoring, something Nash never did in his MVP seasons. In ways it'd be like giving an MVP to Stockton. And Iverson was an amazing scorer in 2001 and was averaging 42 mpg that season (#1 in the league), Nash wasn't even leading his own team in minutes played. The Phoenix Suns in the mid 2000s were loaded with shooters and when Amare went down Boris Diaw (now a champion) won MIP and averaged 7 apg while playing like 5 different positions! (very impressive)

[Optimus Prime]

Steve Nash was an amazing playmaker in his prime. However, that 2005-06 MVP is probably the worst in NBA history. Nash only got it over Kobe because:

1. Colorado was still fresh in everyone's mind.

2. Kobe was surrounded by D-Leaguers.

3. People were tired of the Lakers and Kobe after they dominated the early 2000s

4. The 7-seconds or less Suns scored lots of points, played at a fast pace and were fun to watch.

The fact that Kobe dragged those bums to 45-37 should be celebrated. He was just insane that season. :kobe:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Steve Nash was an amazing playmaker in his prime. However, that 2005-06 MVP is probably the worst in NBA history. Nash only got it over Kobe because:

1. Colorado was still fresh in everyone's mind.

2. Kobe was surrounded by D-Leaguers.

3. People were tired of the Lakers and Kobe after they dominated the early 2000s

4. The 7-seconds or less Suns scored lots of points, played at a fast pace and were fun to watch.

The fact that Kobe dragged those bums to 45-37 should be celebrated. He was just insane that season. :kobe:
:applause:

[K Xerxes]

Nash is not particularly that highly rated historically these days anyway, so where is the 'overrated' coming from?

Two categories Nash has a claim for being all time great at are shooting and playmaking. In fact I think he is the GOAT shooter + playmaker if we combine those two facets of the game (he's certainly the best I've ever seen, and I'm struggling to think anyone historically who competes). Subsequently, I think there's a case to be made for Nash as a GOAT-level offensive player.

[Droid101]

The same four guys come in and respond to each other and slap each other on the back each thread.

Same poster, right? Lots of time on his hands?

[knickswoman]

Hey at least Rose lead his team in assists AND scoring, something Nash never did in his MVP seasons. In ways it'd be like giving an MVP to Stockton. And Iverson was an amazing scorer in 2001 and was averaging 42 mpg that season (#1 in the league), Nash wasn't even leading his own team in minutes played. The Phoenix Suns in the mid 2000s were loaded with shooters and when Amare went down Boris Diaw (now a champion) won MIP and averaged 7 apg while playing like 5 different positions! (very impressive)

At least nash had multiple 50+ win teams throughout his career while Iverson only had 1. Which shows that his impact is far from an MVP caliber player. And rose had better help which was proven the season after that they had the same amount of win % with him missing almost half the season and posting only borderline all star stats.

[truhooper]

Most overrated "star" player ever

[OncePerMonth]

Who else could over take him?

No defense and all he can pass.

John Stockton could pass, defend, and led his team to 2 finals and no MVPs. :facepalm

Same thing with Kidd. And Kidd had a 3rd Finals with a ring as a complimentary piece late in his career.

[JtotheIzzo]

No defense and all he can pass.



90/50/40

[Paul George 24]

Who else could over take him?

No defense and all he can pass.

John Stockton could pass, defend, and led his team to 2 finals and no MVPs. :facepalm

lebron james

[NBAplayoffs2001]

lebron james

Perfect Answer :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: