Duncan & Nowitzki, nothing but the truth.

[robert_shaww]

Duncan in Dallas since 2003:
(same teammates and coaches)

2003: Ring
2004: no
2005: WCF
2006: WCF
2007: WCF
2008: no
2009: no
2010: no
2011: no
2012: no
2013: no
2014: no

Carrer: 1 ring.

Nowitzki in San Antonio since 2003:
(same teammates and Coach)

2003: no
2004: WCF
2005: RING
2006: RING
2007: RING
2008: no
2009: no
2010: no
2011: RING
2012: no
2013: no
2014: no

Carrer: 4 rings

[fpliii]

What about KG? How many of the three do you think win it all if Cassell doesn't have to sit out because of his back in 04?

[LBJFTW]

Nope. Duncan > Dirk, end of story milbuck.

[robert_shaww]

What about KG? How many of the three do you think win it all if Cassell doesn't have to sit out because of his back in 04?

didnt understand....KG in minnessota? winining rings?

[fpliii]

didnt understand....KG in minnessota? winining rings?
I'm saying, since you were swapping rosters, you should include KG in the mix.

Also, so you think any of the three win in 04 with a healthy Cassell?

[robert_shaww]

I'm saying, since you were swapping rosters, you should include KG in the mix.

Also, so you think any of the three win in 04 with a healthy Cassell?

in 04 is lakers vs pistons...doesnt matter any swapping .

KG is winning shit unless he has 3 other hall of famers in his team...

[fpliii]

in 04 is lakers vs pistons...doesnt matter any swapping .

KG is winning shit unless he has 3 other hall of famers in his team...
:no:

[SexSymbol]

How about Elton Brand? Al Jefferson?
The hypotheticals are endless, but that's why they are so similar - they did not happen

[Gotterdammerung]

Hypotheticals are fun to speculate, but the only way to prove them is to enter a parallel dimension and record their exploits, and return with said evidence. :oldlol:

Otherwise, such speculation only expose ignorance and prejudices. Even from legitimate historians. Fictional questions are as old as the hills. There's nothing essentially fallacious about fictional constructs, as long we undrestand they are not empirical issues. They can be useful like metaphors and analogies, but they can never prove anything, and least of all the empirical method. :hammerhead:

Any historical evidence that might have happened if Duncan played for the Dallas Mavericks or Dirk Nowitzki for the San Antonio Spurs is already taken from the world in which Duncan did play for the Spurs and Dirk for the Mavericks. There's no way around it. :no:

Keep up the troll job. :applause:

[T_L_P]

Just :oldlol: at 07.

[navy]

Tim Duncan has anchored some top defensive teams. Dirk wouldnt be able to win unless you also got him a rim protector.

[dubeta]

Both have the biggest chokes of the last decade

Dirk: 2006 finals choke
2007 lost in the first round as 1st seed

Duncan: 2004 choke
2011 bounced out of 1st round as 1st seed
2012 back door swept
2013 back to back game 6 and game 7 choke

Damn notice how both lost to the 8th seed as the #1 team :oldlol:

[Nowitness]

Both have the biggest chokes of the last decade

Dirk: 2006 finals choke
2007 lost in the first round as 1st seed

Duncan: 2004 choke
2011 bounced out of 1st round as 1st seed
2012 back door swept
2013 back to back game 6 and game 7 choke

Damn notice how both lost to the 8th seed as the #1 team :oldlol:

none of them compare to 2011, where prime LeBron got outplayed by jason Terry. and neither lost finals mvp to the guy| they were supposed to be guarding. and neither have lost more finals than theyve won. and neither played for the goat coach and executive. :lol

[OncePerMonth]

Duncan in Dallas since 2003:
(same teammates and coaches)

2003: Ring
2004: no
2005: WCF
2006: WCF
2007: WCF
2008: no
2009: no
2010: no
2011: no
2012: no
2013: no
2014: no

Carrer: 1 ring.

Nowitzki in San Antonio since 2003:
(same teammates and Coach)

2003: no
2004: WCF
2005: RING
2006: RING
2007: RING
2008: no
2009: no
2010: no
2011: RING
2012: no
2013: no
2014: no

Carrer: 4 rings

Amazing analysis. Would read again.

[Dragic4Life]

Dirk/KG > Duncan in terms of pure basketball skills if you discount accolades.

Duncan > Dirk/KG only in accolades.

[T_L_P]

Dirk/KG > Duncan in terms of pure basketball skills if you discount accolades.

Duncan > Dirk/KG only in accolades.

But....PER was the sole judging metric, I thought?

[Dragic4Life]

But....PER was the sole judging metric, I thought?
Replace Duncan with KG/Dirk and their career will pretty much stay the same except KG/Dirk would probably win all FMVPs of their rings.

Duncan on the other hand, got reduced to a role player in 2 of his rings.

[T_L_P]

Replace Duncan with KG/Dirk and their career will pretty much stay the same except KG/Dirk would probably win all FMVPs of their rings.

Duncan on the other hand, got reduced to a role player in 2 of his rings.

Leading scorer, rebounder and shotblocker, second in Playoff PER for the league, second in total Win Shares, third in WS/48.

Role player. :roll:

[kentatm]

http://luckswing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/dal_g_duncan_dirk01_576.jpg

two team first all time greats on rival teams in the same state for their entire careers

:bowdown:

[Big#50]

How the **** did you get out of my ignore list?

[pastis]

Leading scorer, rebounder and shotblocker, second in Playoff PER for the league, second in total Win Shares, third in WS/48.

Role player. :roll:

of course Duncan is not the "classic" role player, but he wasn THE MAN like he was in 03 and with deductions in 05.
Timmy is top 5 all Time, way better defender. that is clear. But i also think, that dirk would have won all FMVPs for his SPurs team, with Pop as a coach. nothing to be mad about.

duncan as a perfect game in the post, great all time defender. Dirk is good at every place in the court. a thrill from everywhere (offense). SO you can argue that he is a better basketbal player.

but who cares duncan has 5 rings:applause: way better than kobe ever will be. way way way better.:applause:

[T_L_P]

of course Duncan is not the "classic" role player, but he wasn THE MAN like he was in 03 and with deductions in 05.
Timmy is top 5 all Time, way better defender. that is clear. But i also think, that dirk would have won all FMVPs for his SPurs team, with Pop as a coach. nothing to be mad about.

duncan as a perfect game in the post, great all time defender. Dirk is good at every place in the court. a thrill from everywhere (offense). SO you can argue that he is a better basketbal player.

but who cares duncan has 5 rings:applause: way better than kobe ever will be. way way way better.:applause:

I'm just saying, the idea that Duncan was a role player in 07 is hilarious. He averaged, what, 22/13/3/3 on +50% shooting? Those are superstar numbers, not role player numbers.

Maybe Dirk does, but he doesn't do it winning 5. They definitely don't win in 07 if Dirk played the way he did.

Two of the greats regardless. Hopefully they still produce at a high level next year.

[robert_shaww]

I'm just saying, the idea that Duncan was a role player in 07 is hilarious. He averaged, what, 22/13/3/3 on +50% shooting? Those are superstar numbers, not role player numbers.

Maybe Dirk does, but he doesn't do it winning 5. They definitely don't win in 07 if Dirk played the way he did.

Two of the greats regardless. Hopefully they still produce at a high level next year.

:facepalm

[dr.hee]

I'm just saying, the idea that Duncan was a role player in 07 is hilarious. He averaged, what, 22/13/3/3 on +50% shooting? Those are superstar numbers, not role player numbers.

Maybe Dirk does, but he doesn't do it winning 5. They definitely don't win in 07 if Dirk played the way he did.

Two of the greats regardless. Hopefully they still produce at a high level next year.

Of course they don't. Exchanging Dirk and Duncan without adjusting the rosters is just idiotic considering they're completely different players. Duncan is the better player overall, no discussion. But still, give Dirk a better cast fitting with his strengths in his prime (especially 07-10), and he could've won more rings. He just never had a consistent system like the Spurs under Pop. Maybe Carlisle can figure something out with the current roster.