My new way of ranking players. THE NEW TOP 10 ALL TIME

[kennethgriffin]

Career + Peak + Prime Divided by total


heres a list of top careers

#1 kareem
#2 Bill
#3 Jordan
#4 Magic
#5 Duncan
#6 Kobe
#7 Bird
#8 Shaq
#9 Wilt
#10 Lebron

heres a list of top peaks ( 1-2 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Shaq
#3 Oscar
#4 Baylor
#5 Kareem
#6 Jordan
#7 Hakeem
#8 Kobe
#9 Lebron
#10 Bird


heres a list of top primes ( 5-7 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Jordan
#3 Kobe
#4 Lebron
#5 Bird
#6 Shaq
#7 Oscar
#8 Baylor
#9 Kareem
#10 West






kareem - 1,5,9
jordan - 3,6,2
bill - 2,0,0
magic - 4,0,0
duncan - 5,0,0
kobe - 6,8,3
bird - 7,10,5
shaq - 8,2,6
wilt - 9,1,1
lebron - 10,9,4
oscar - 0,3,7
baylor - 0,4,8
west - 0,0,10

0's given 11. total devided by 3


#1 Jordan - 3.6
#1 Wilt - 3.6
#3 kareem - 5
#4 Shaq - 5.3
#5 Kobe - 5.6
#6 Oscar - 7
#7 Bird - 7.3
#8 Lebron - 7.6
#8 Baylor - 7.6
#10 Bill - 8
#11 Magic - 8.6
#12 Duncan - 9
#13 West - 10.6



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[Suguru101]

LeBron and Bird's peaks are >> Kobe's.

LeBron and Bird's primes are >> Kobe's.

Nice format though.

[riseagainst]

:applause:

lebron solidly in that top 10 already.

[dubeta]

Kobe's peak was a lottery team :oldlol:

Bran's peak was 4 MVP's in 5 years and back to back FMVP's and MVP's just stop

Player Efficiency Rating solves this issue:

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cd/cdb310ad67072458a3390322c315849d700d58692c606c2905 f09b8c167cfdb1.jpg

[T_L_P]

Every pierce of evidence ever collected shows Duncan had the better peak and prime than Kobe.

Especially peak though. It's a fact that Kobe was never better than 03 Duncan. Won a title with a weaker squad than any of Kobe's, higher numbers across the board, etc.

Oh, I forgot, it's not an objective list in the slightest; just you pretending Kobe had a top 10 peak/top 3 prime.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wilt # 2?

Better check the formula because that can't be true.

Guy had post skills similar to Dwight & was given 40+ shots per night to score 50 in the regular season but never could get close to matching that scoring on championship teams in the playoffs

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron and Bird's peaks are >> Kobe's.

35/5/5, 81 points, 40ppg multiple months, most 60 point games in a season besides wilt, most 50+ games in a row period or in a season besides wilt, perfected skills on both ends of the floor, best footwork, athleticism

why do you think during kobes prime they kept saying "first since wilt" cause he was that good.

his overall prime is legendary too... the peak fallowed by the 3 straight finals, back to back titles and finals mvps without another nba hall of famer ( gasol might make it off of fiba, coaches dont count. stfu )

kobe did more individually than bird or lebron in his prime.


bird needed 5 other hall of famers.

lebron needed 3 other hall of famers


kobes 3rd best player was fisher :roll: :roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe's better than Shaq and Wilt all time.

Kobe is #3 behind Jordan and Kareem.

[GrapeApe]

So this "formula" is based on arbitrary and subjective criteria. Gotcha.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So this "formula" is based on arbitrary and subjective criteria. Gotcha.

Yeah, pretty much. :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

35/5/5, 81 points, 40ppg multiple months, most 60 point games in a season besides wilt, most 50+ games in a row period or in a season besides wilt, perfected skills on both ends of the floor, best footwork, athleticism

...and then the Playoffs happened.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's peak was a lottery team :oldlol:

Bran's peak was 4 MVP's in 5 years and back to back FMVP's and MVP's just stop

Player Efficiency Rating solves this issue:

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cd/cdb310ad67072458a3390322c315849d700d58692c606c2905 f09b8c167cfdb1.jpg




Season PER all time:


Chris Paul 6th

dwyane wade 8th

neil johnston 9th

larry bird 17th


pau gasol 37th


chris bosh 52nd

bill russell 95th

isiah thomas 122nd











playoff PER all time:



bill russell is 58th

DR J is 41st

Garnett is 30th

bird is 25th

kobe is 23rd

kareem is 16th

chris paul is 6th

george mikan is 2nd





some stat eh

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe's better than Shaq and Wilt all time.

Kobe is #3 behind Jordan and Kareem.

And Russell, Magic, & Bird

[Nowitness]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

as per, kobes not even near the top 25. every other top 10 goat is. :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Every pierce of evidence ever collected shows Duncan had the better peak and prime than Kobe.

Especially peak though. It's a fact that Kobe was never better than 03 Duncan. Won a title with a weaker squad than any of Kobe's, higher numbers across the board, etc.

Oh, I forgot, it's not an objective list in the slightest; just you pretending Kobe had a top 10 peak/top 3 prime.

duncan sucks man. would kobe ever be the 2nd best player on a team to tony parker or kawhi leonard?

forget the ginobili 2005 finals.. duncan won finals mvp. so i wont even bring up the 20ppg on 60% from ginobili



take your advanced efficiency stats and throw them in with the rest of the crap nobody cares about.


your crap favors bigs anyway. and theyre expected to shoot higher % cause of positioning. their duties require different game plans

whats a fact is as efficient as duncan is. hes the 2nd best player on the spurs since 2007. which is quite lame cause they havent really had another legendary player

duncan got passed up by 2nd rate stars

[T_L_P]

duncan sucks man. would kobe ever be the 2nd best player on a team to tony parker or kawhi leonard?

forget the ginobili 2005 finals.. duncan won finals mvp. so i wont even bring up the 20ppg on 60% from ginobili



take your advanced efficiency stats and throw them in with the rest of the crap nobody cares about.


your crap favors bigs anyway. and theyre expected to shoot higher % cause of positioning. their duties require different game plans

whats a fact is as efficient as duncan is. hes the 2nd best player on the spurs since 2007. which is quite lame cause they havent really had another legendary player

duncan got passed up by 2nd rate stars

got nothing to do with what i said.

You couldn't make the case for peak Kobe being better than peak Duncan, because he's not. Kobe was a bum in the 06 Playoffs. But of course you want to throw the stats out the window because they never favour your boy. :oldlol:

Duncan > TOSB

[stalkerforlife]

And Russell, Magic, & Bird

Kobe would wipe the floor with all 3.

And he's the greatest Laker all time.

[kennethgriffin]

got nothing to do with what i said.

You couldn't make the case for peak Kobe being better than peak Duncan, because he's not. Kobe was a bum in the 06 Playoffs. But of course you want to throw the stats out the window because they never favour your boy. :oldlol:

Duncan > TOSB


sorry but results arent everything. put 2006 kobe on the current spurs and all of a sudden kobes peak becomes legendary

put 2003 duncan on the 2006 lakers and suddenly his mvp season and legendary accomplishment gets turned into trash


its not always about end result. its also what you do with what you have around you


kobe OVER achived with smush and kwame. that team without kobe wins 5 games tops.

theyed challenge the all time worst

but with kobe they took the suns to 7 games


and 1 rebound away from probably making the finals considering they were gonna face the clippers and mavs. which kobe totally ****ed up regularly at the time

[TheMarkMadsen]

got nothing to do with what i said.

You couldn't make the case for peak Kobe being better than peak Duncan, because he's not. Kobe was a bum in the 06 Playoffs. But of course you want to throw the stats out the window because they never favour your boy. :oldlol:

Duncan > TOSB

If putting up 28/6/5 on 50% is a "bum"

Then how stacked have Duncans teams been because he's been putting up scrub ass stats compared to that "bum" performance for years..

[T_L_P]

If putting up 28/6/5 on 50% is a "bum"

Then how stacked have Duncans teams been because he's been putting up scrub ass stats compared to that "bum" performance for years..

Actual, it is. 28/6/5 against a weak defensive team is not that great, especially when it's being called a top 10 peak. The players he defended were very efficient.

When Duncan faced a similarly weak defensive team that year, he put up 32/12/4/1/3 on 56% shooting. And this was after returning from an injury that hobbled him all year.

Peak Kobe got outperformed by injured Duncan in the Playoffs. Don't even get me started on 02/03 Duncan vs. any version of Kobe. :roll:

[Vienceslav]

Actual, it is. 28/6/5 against a weak defensive team is not that great, especially when it's being called a top 10 peak. The players he defended were very efficient.

When Duncan faced a similarly weak defensive team that year, he put up 32/12/4/1/3 on 56% shooting. And this was after returning from an injury that hobbled him all year.

Peak Kobe got outperformed by injured Duncan in the Playoffs. Don't even get me started on 02/03 Duncan vs. any version of Kobe. :roll:
3.8k posts of defending Duncan against Kobe is pretty solid, you found your niche.

[KG215]

heres a list of top peaks ( 1-2 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Shaq
#3 Oscar
#4 Baylor
#5 Kareem
#6 Jordan
#7 Hakeem
#8 Kobe
#9 Lebron
#10 Bird

One of the stupidest things you've ever posted. Jordan's peak is, without question, in the top 3 all-time. LeBron and Bird both peaked higher than Kobe.

[KG215]

...and then the Playoffs happened.
He's also apparently ignores the playoffs when it comes to Jordan's peak and, for whatever reasons, Oscar Robertson's and Elgin Baylor's peaks higher because their stats from a faster paced era look better on paper. Jordan 3-peated during his peak with dominant playoff runs yet, because his stats don't look quite as good as player's who didn't win a ring during their peak, those players still, somehow, had better peaks than Jordan.

I've seen Griff post a lot of asinine, over the top retarded things before, but ranking Jordan's peak all the way down at #6 all-time is right up there with the worst of them.

[moe94]

3.8k posts of defending Duncan against Kobe is pretty solid, you found your niche.

He stays clowning Kobe stans

[TheMarkMadsen]

Actual, it is. 28/6/5 against a weak defensive team is not that great, especially when it's being called a top 10 peak. The players he defended were very efficient.

When Duncan faced a similarly weak defensive team that year, he put up 32/12/4/1/3 on 56% shooting. And this was after returning from an injury that hobbled him all year.

Peak Kobe got outperformed by injured Duncan in the Playoffs. Don't even get me started on 02/03 Duncan vs. any version of Kobe. :roll:

Oh I notice you didn't mentioned 2001 when not even peak Kobe took an absolute shit on peak Duncan..

Or 2008 Kobe took another dump on Duncan and his stacked team, actually I should say Parker's team since he won FMVP the year prior.

[raprap]

:hammerhead:

[TheMarkMadsen]

TLP let me ask you something.

If Kobe had not averaged 20+ in the playoffs since 08

Had made only 2 all defensive teams since 08

Had made only 3 all nba teams since 08

Played on teams that had the best record in the conference w/o being selected to the all star team multiple times

Averaged 16ppg for his last title

And not won FMVP in a decade.

Would you still put as much weight into his last title as you did for Duncan.

[Ca$H]

Career + Peak + Prime Divided by total


heres a list of top careers

#1 kareem
#2 Bill
#3 Jordan
#4 Magic
#5 Duncan
#6 Kobe
#7 Bird
#8 Shaq
#9 Wilt
#10 Lebron

heres a list of top peaks ( 1-2 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Shaq
#3 Oscar
#4 Baylor
#5 Kareem
#6 Jordan
#7 Hakeem
#8 Kobe
#9 Lebron
#10 Bird


heres a list of top primes ( 5-7 years )

#1 Wilt
#2 Jordan
#3 Kobe
#4 Lebron
#5 Bird
#6 Shaq
#7 Oscar
#8 Baylor
#9 Kareem
#10 West






kareem - 1,5,9
jordan - 3,6,2
bill - 2,0,0
magic - 4,0,0
duncan - 5,0,0
kobe - 6,8,3
bird - 7,10,5
shaq - 8,2,6
wilt - 9,1,1
lebron - 10,9,4
oscar - 0,3,7
baylor - 0,4,8
west - 0,0,10

0's given 11. total devided by 3


#1 Jordan - 3.6
#1 Wilt - 3.6
#3 kareem - 5
#4 Shaq - 5.3
#5 Kobe - 5.6
#6 Oscar - 7
#7 Bird - 7.3
#8 Lebron - 7.6
#8 Baylor - 7.6
#10 Bill - 8
#11 Magic - 8.6
#12 Duncan - 9
#13 West - 10.6



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Kobe is number 4 in career ranking.