Whose had the best peak post 2000?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Discuss.

[fpliii]

Shaq - 2001

[moe94]

Shaq

[Timmy D for MVP]

Shaq

[dubeta]

LeBron 2009-2010

2009 Playoffs 35,9,8

2010 Season 30, 9, 7

[NBAplayoffs2001]

LeBron 2009-2010

2009 Playoffs 35,9,8

2010 Season 30, 9, 7

Ok whatever helps you sleep at night

http://www.kooziez.com/koozie-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Shaq-flexing-for-his-Custom-Koozies.jpg

[COnDEMnED]

Shaq - 2001
This is the correct answer. Shaq is one of the few all time best peak players.

[Ass Dan]

Shaq - 2001



shits's over!!!

[T_L_P]

If you can't choose 2000 (Shaq), I'd go with 03 Duncan, then 04 KG and 09 LeBron.

01 Shaq was still a force. But Duncan in 03 was better than him. The pace the Spurs played at means his numbers are slightly weaker, but he was grabbing more available rebounds, dishing out way more assists, more steals and blocks, more efficient, a much better defender, etc etc.

And yet, with all that, 01 Shaq is still super close. :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Let's use single season PER's since 2000 to answer out this challenging question


1. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
2. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
3. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
4. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
5. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09
6. TracyMcGrady 30.27 2002-03
7. Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 2000-01

Damn, LeBron basically swept the 2000's in terms of dominance. There's 4 different LeBron seasons, even before the 2nd player Wade shows up :eek:

Shaq is a close 7th, my thinking is that Shaq's lack of assists, and ft% hurts him in terms of dominance


Now I know some people will be asking for playoff PER's since 2000

1. LeBron James 37.39 2009
2. Tim Duncan 31.80 2002
3. LeBron James 31.11 2014
4. Chris Paul 30.70 2008
5. Shaquille O'Neal 30.61 2003
6. Shaquille O'Neal 30.45 2000


Damn, Lebron is a full 6 POINTS higher than anyone else, I dont even think there should be a debate about playoff dominance here.

IMO i think this proves that Shaq was just slightly overrated here. Yes beastly scoring, but his ft shooting, lack of assists, and lack of much steals and blocks really hurt him

But I dont know how anyone objectively can look here and deny LeBron had the best peak since the 2000's. I understand PER has its flaws, but LeBron is so far ahead of the pack that its hard to deny his superiority to his peers in terms of dominance.

[Soundwave]

Even though I don't like Kobe-stans, gotta admit that stretch he had in 2006 was pretty ridiculous if we're talking just individual play.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Let's use single season PER's since 2000 to answer out this challenging question


1. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
2. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
3. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
4. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
5. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09
6. TracyMcGrady 30.27 2002-03
7. Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 2000-01

Damn, LeBron basically swept the 2000's in terms of dominance. There's 4 different LeBron seasons, even before the 2nd player Wade shows up :eek:

Shaq is a close 7th, my thinking is that Shaq's lack of assists, and ft% hurts him in terms of dominance


Now I know some people will be asking for playoff PER's since 2000

1. LeBron James 37.39 2009
2. Tim Duncan 31.80 2002
3. LeBron James 31.11 2014
4. Chris Paul 30.70 2008
5. Shaquille O'Neal 30.61 2003
6. Shaquille O'Neal 30.45 2000


Damn, Lebron is a full 6 POINTS higher than anyone else, I dont even think there should be a debate about playoff dominance here.

IMO i think this proves that Shaq was just slightly overrated here. Yes beastly scoring, but his ft shooting, lack of assists, and lack of much steals and blocks really hurt him

But I dont know how anyone objectively can look here and deny LeBron had the best peak since the 2000's. I understand PER has its flaws, but LeBron is so far ahead of the pack that its hard to deny his superiority to his peers in terms of dominance.

Go to bed little one

[Milbuck]

Shaq...

Even though I don't like Kobe-stans, gotta admit that stretch he had in 2006 was pretty ridiculous if we're talking just individual play.
It's a damn shame those couple years were wasted with shit teams. Wonder what could've happened if he had Gasol just 3 years earlier..

[T_L_P]

Let's use single season PER's since 2000 to answer out this challenging question


1. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
2. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
3. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
4. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
5. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09
6. TracyMcGrady 30.27 2002-03
7. Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 2000-01

Damn, LeBron basically swept the 2000's in terms of dominance. There's 4 different LeBron seasons, even before the 2nd player Wade shows up :eek:

Shaq is a close 7th, my thinking is that Shaq's lack of assists, and ft% hurts him in terms of dominance


Now I know some people will be asking for playoff PER's since 2000

1. LeBron James 37.39 2009
2. Tim Duncan 31.80 2002
3. LeBron James 31.11 2014
4. Chris Paul 30.70 2008
5. Shaquille O'Neal 30.61 2003
6. Shaquille O'Neal 30.45 2000


Damn, Lebron is a full 6 POINTS higher than anyone else, I dont even think there should be a debate about playoff dominance here.

IMO i think this proves that Shaq was just slightly overrated here. Yes beastly scoring, but his ft shooting, lack of assists, and lack of much steals and blocks really hurt him

But I dont know how anyone objectively can look here and deny LeBron had the best peak since the 2000's. I understand PER has its flaws, but LeBron is so far ahead of the pack that its hard to deny his superiority to his peers in terms of dominance.

But when you say Pau Gasol/Serge Ibaka could replace Duncan in his prime, you are basically saying the PER metric you love is useless.

At least stay consistent. :facepalm

[COnDEMnED]

Let's use single season PER's since 2000 to answer out this challenging question


1. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
2. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
3. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
4. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
5. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09
6. TracyMcGrady 30.27 2002-03
7. Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 2000-01

Damn, LeBron basically swept the 2000's in terms of dominance. There's 4 different LeBron seasons, even before the 2nd player Wade shows up :eek:

Shaq is a close 7th, my thinking is that Shaq's lack of assists, and ft% hurts him in terms of dominance


Now I know some people will be asking for playoff PER's since 2000

1. LeBron James 37.39 2009
2. Tim Duncan 31.80 2002
3. LeBron James 31.11 2014
4. Chris Paul 30.70 2008
5. Shaquille O'Neal 30.61 2003
6. Shaquille O'Neal 30.45 2000


Damn, Lebron is a full 6 POINTS higher than anyone else, I dont even think there should be a debate about playoff dominance here.

IMO i think this proves that Shaq was just slightly overrated here. Yes beastly scoring, but his ft shooting, lack of assists, and lack of much steals and blocks really hurt him

But I dont know how anyone objectively can look here and deny LeBron had the best peak since the 2000's. I understand PER has its flaws, but LeBron is so far ahead of the pack that its hard to deny his superiority to his peers in terms of dominance.
I don't entirely disagree with your numbers, but I think you also have to take into account hack-a-shaq as well though. He put up those monsters numbers while still missing 7-8-9..12 free throws a game, maybe more in the playoffs. You're so feared offensively the only way to stop you is a chicken shit tactic to get you away from the basket. That's gotta count for something. Timmy putting up similar numbers without hac-a-timmy is also a testament to his skills. The difference between Dwight and Shaq, they did hack a Shaq to Shaq because they couldn't stop him. They did hack a Dwight to Dwight because he's just a shitty free throw shooter. Shaq was gifted offensively, Dwight not so much. :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

But when you say Pau Gasol/Serge Ibaka could replace Duncan in his prime, you are basically saying the PER metric you love is useless.

At least stay consistent. :facepalm

If you could direct me to the quote so I could get a clearer idea on what I was saying, that would be much appreciated

[joeyjoejoe]

I think shaq also not sure which year, I'd say duncan has second highest peek since 2000

[Kvnzhangyay]

Shaq, then Lebron

[T_L_P]

If you could direct me to the quote so I could get a clearer idea on what I was saying, that would be much appreciated

"the same 5 at least

maybe even 6"

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350160

Like I said, you can't say it's LeBron because of PER and call Duncan worse than Ibaka, because his "PER" is better than Ibaka's.

[dubeta]

"the same 5 at least

maybe even 6"

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350160

Like I said, you can't say it's LeBron because of PER and call Duncan worse than Ibaka, because his "PER" is better than Ibaka's.

Oh yea i said it, that doesnt mean they necessarily win in 2003 or 2002

2005, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2014 are all possible to win

they might not put up duncan numbers at 2003, but are you telling me 2007 duncan was significantly better? Gasol is no scrub, he led the 2010 lakers in win shares for the championship. Ibaka causes problems on both ends of the court

2005 they can still pull through, manu, tony pau combo or a manu, tony, ibaka combo could be deadly

2007 competition was weak, they could easily win with tony balling the way he did that year, ibaka and gasol dont necessarily have to replacate duncans numbers to ensure victory

and from 2010 onwards Pop turned the spurs to a 8 man deep team. No superstar, everyone is basically equal, so 3 more in those next 5 finals isnt a stretch, with tony, manu, then eventually kawhi, boris diaw, patty mills etc

So the majority of the rings might have been won later on instead of in the 1999's - to 2003's etc

[T_L_P]

Oh yea i said it, that doesnt mean they necessarily win in 2003 or 2002

2005, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2014 are all possible to win

they might not put up duncan numbers at 2003, but are you telling me 2007 duncan was significantly better? Gasol is no scrub, he led the 2010 lakers in win shares for the championship. Ibaka causes problems on both ends of the court

2005 they can still pull through, manu, tony pau combo or a manu, tony, ibaka combo could be deadly

2007 competition was weak, they could easily win with tony balling the way he did that year, ibaka and gasol dont necessarily have to replacate duncans numbers to ensure victory

and from 2010 onwards Pop turned the spurs to a 8 man deep team. No superstar, everyone is basically equal, so 3 more in those next 5 finals isnt a stretch, with tony, manu, then eventually kawhi, boris diaw, patty mills etc

So the majority of the rings might have been won later on instead of in the 1999's - to 2003's etc

Actually, I don't think saying peak Gasol could fill 07 Duncan's shoes is farfetched in the slightest. It's quite accurate. Not 05 though. Detroit could have left Gasol with single coverage and still eaten him, meaning all those open looks the three point shooters would have got are gone. And Gasol and Nazr guarding the paint would have been a nightmare.

But Ibaka? The dude is a third option on a team that hasn't won anything. Now he's replacing the top dog on a title team and you expect them to win? That is absurd. I can't believe you watched any version of prime Duncan if you believe Ibaka brings anything close to his impact. :confusedshrug:

Any version of Ibaka loses in the second round with the 98-08 Spurs.

[dubeta]

Actually, I don't think saying peak Gasol could fill 07 Duncan's shoes is farfetched in the slightest. It's quite accurate. Not 05 though. Detroit could have left Gasol with single coverage and still eaten him, meaning all those open looks the three point shooters would have got are gone. And Gasol and Nazr guarding the paint would have been a nightmare.

But Ibaka? The dude is a third option on a team that hasn't won anything. Now he's replacing the top dog on a title team and you expect them to win? That is absurd. I can't believe you watched any version of prime Duncan if you believe Ibaka brings anything close to his impact. :confusedshrug:

Any version of Ibaka loses in the second round with the 98-08 Spurs.

Maybe Ibaka might have been a stretch, but now that thats cleared up..

you admit LeBron had the best peak since MJ? :pimp:

[SexSymbol]

Shaq 01
Duncan 03
Kobe 06
KG 04
LeBron 12
Wade 09.
In that order

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron James.

[aj1987]

Shaq 01
Duncan 03
Kobe 06
KG 04
LeBron 12
Wade 09.
In that order
:roll:

Anyways, it's Shaq ('01). LeBron is a pretty close #2.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1) LeBron 2009 - Current
2) Shaq 2001 - 2006
3) Kobe 2006 - 2010
4) Duncan 2001 - Current
5) Wade 2005 - 2012

HM:
Dirk 2001 - 2011
KG 2001 - 2009
McGrady 2001 - 2008
Paul 2008 - Current

[oti]

after lurking for so long i must say Kobe , Kobe by far

[Shep]

1. James '09
2. O'Neal '01
3. Duncan '03
4. Paul '08
5. Wade '06

[tmacattack33]

Shaq had the best peak i've ever seen.

I never saw 90-93 MJ though.

[Big#50]

Give me 03 Duncan over any player ever.

[swagga]

Shaq 01
Duncan 03
Kobe 06
KG 04
LeBron 12
Wade 09.
In that order

Shaq 01
---
Lebron 09
Duncan 03
KG 04
---
Wade 09
Kobe 09

[Magic 32]

Picking Shaq in 2001.....:confusedshrug:

Are we only talking about the postseason?

If so...

01 Shaq
03 Duncan
08 Kobe
09 Lebron
04 KG

[ImKobe]

It's a wash between

2000 Shaq
2001 Playoffs Kobe
2002-03 regular season Kobe
2003 Duncan
2006 Kobe
2009 Wade

pick anyone from those and it's fair. Shaq, Kobe and Duncan had the best runs. Duncan for his 03 Playoffs, Kobe for his 2001 Playoff run, Shaq was just amazing in 2000 it's unfair to leave him off

Kobe in 2002-03 regular season was at his best on both ends. 30/7/6 with 2.2 steals per game, 9 straight 40+ point games, 3pt record

06 Kobe had the most highest scoring regular season, though he didn't get to show his all-around game with the horrible team he was handed.
09 Wade had a horrible team as well, but he was clearly better than anyone in the regular season.

[Just2McFly]

01 Iverson needs a mention .... if dudes are going to be mentioning Kobe/Wade and T-mac, Iverson needs a nod.

[Stringer Bell]

Shaq 01', Duncan 03', Lebron 09' or '12'.

Kobe in 06' was pretty ridiculous too.

[ImKobe]

Shaq 01', Duncan 03', Lebron 09' or '12'.

Kobe in 06' was pretty ridiculous too.

If you put 01 Shaq in there, 01 Kobe has to be in there as well, since he matched Shaq's WS/48 in the Playoffs and actually had the better numbers from the 3 first Playoff rounds, averaging 32/7/6 on 49/32/81 shooting.

[Hoopz2332]

1. James '09
2. O'Neal '01
3. Duncan '03
4. Paul '08
5. Wade '06


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