Why aren't there any successful Black nations?

[9erempiree]

They really can't play the race card or the slavery card like they can here. I like to hear some real reasons on why they never dominated the world like whites, Romans, Greeks, Spanish and the Chinese.

You would think there would be some pimp ass Black dude in history like Napoleon, Genghis Khan or even a Da Vinci.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02226/poverty_2226036b.jpg

Blacks don't know how good they have it till they see what goes on at home.

[Cocaine80s]

Africa lol jk

[BasedTom]

Mansa Musa of Mali was the richest man of all time

also, Ethiopia had a decent thing going on before the modern age.

Now as for your question, there's a lot of factors making for a bad situation, though some of the things are still inexcusable. Imperialism, corrupt politics, ethnic tensions, are all valid reasons...but it isn't a pass. Maybe in our lifetime, the situation will get better for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem likely.

[9erempiree]

Africa lol jk

:facepalm Continent.

You are not allowed to engage anymore.

[fiddy]

dat IQ

[9erempiree]

Mansa Musa of Mali was the richest man of all time

also, Ethiopia had a decent thing going on before the modern age.

Now as for your question, there's a lot of factors making for a bad situation, though some of the things are still inexcusable. Imperialism, corrupt politics, ethnic tensions, are all valid reasons...but it isn't a pass. Maybe in our lifetime, the situation will get better for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem likely.

If they haven't made it in the past centuries, there is no way to do it unless foreign money helps them.

[Im Still Ballin]

It seems I have sparked borderline racist topics on ISH.

I run this system. I'M THE MAN.

[ace23]

They really can't play the race card or the slavery card like they can here.
http://www.autismspeaks.org/

[BasedTom]

If they haven't made it in the past centuries, there is no way to do it unless foreign money helps them.
Foreign aid isn't going to do shit if it's mismanaged or flat out stolen due to corruption.

Realistically, my expectation for the future of Africa is for foreign powers to attempt to gain influence in various regions. China is doing this with some success. I wonder if we'll ever see a return to what happened in the late 19th and early 20th century (open imperialism)

[9erempiree]

By population Nigeria is the biggest, I bet you guys didn't know that did you?

To those that say blacks are ghetto and uneducated. Look what they created...pretty impressive.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Lagos,_Nigeria_57991.jpg

[fiddy]

By population Nigeria is the biggest, I bet you guys didn't know that did you?

To those that say blacks are ghetto and uneducated. Look what they created...pretty impressive.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Lagos,_Nigeria_57991.jpg
biggest ghetto of the world at 17.5m

[9erempiree]

biggest ghetto of the world at 17.5m

You see those buildings on the right? That is there financial district, yes, black people work in finance too.

[Swaggin916]

Because many black people unlike Indians and Orientals realize that white people will do all the work for you and some of them will even think you are cool while they do it.

More power to em. African American culture is a powerful thing. Black people in other places? Same thing just don't have the luxury of being American citizens so it's only when really bad shit goes down that they come in and save the day.

[9erempiree]

Foreign aid isn't going to do shit if it's mismanaged or flat out stolen due to corruption.

Realistically, my expectation for the future of Africa is for foreign powers to attempt to gain influence in various regions. China is doing this with some success. I wonder if we'll ever see a return to what happened in the late 19th and early 20th century (open imperialism)

I agree but there are too much differences for them to agree and help one another out. Most of these Black nations are purely out for themselves. Nigeria doesn't give a shit about Ghana or the Congo. Tons of black on black hating.

They need to form a good educational system but they don't have much history to teach. They never cared or documented their shit.

[millwad]

biggest ghetto of the world at 17.5m

Hilarious how you keep bashing other nations and it's people, you are from Bulgaria, one of the most poor and under developed European countries. In fact, over 20% of the Bulgarians are living under the poverty line.

You're such a clown.

[NumberSix]

What the hell is the point of this thread?

[fiddy]

Hilarious how you keep bashing other nations and it's people, you are from Bulgaria, one of the most poor and under developed European countries. In fact, over 20% of the Bulgarians are living under the poverty line.

You're such a clown.
Still a better place to live in than 50% of the world. GTFO go bang some oldies you douche.

[GimmeThat]

I agree but there are too much differences for them to agree and help one another out. Most of these Black nations are purely out for themselves. Nigeria doesn't give a shit about Ghana or the Congo. Tons of black on black hating.

They need to form a good educational system but they don't have much history to teach. They never cared or documented their shit.


in regards to being successful in the economic sense

some would involve its investments in research. because while some research are motivated by passion(the potential/possibility of foreign investment), others are simply about solving an immediate real life need(domestic).


in regards to being successful in other factors in which how a nation is viewed upon

it depends on its own system in discovering as well as developing talents/leaders. which, just like all other nation, is dependent upon the government.

[9erempiree]

Bulgaria is quite lovely. Varna City.

http://www.charterworld.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-city-of-Varna-Bulgaria-Photo-Credit-bulgariatravel.org_.jpg

[millwad]

Bulgaria is quite lovely. Varna City.

http://www.charterworld.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-city-of-Varna-Bulgaria-Photo-Credit-bulgariatravel.org_.jpg

Yes, very lovely..

http://www.eastsilver.net/admin/user_img/article/big/1488_309634d873899e8cce.jpg

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2008-07/94969.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-2273002-1671A90B000005DC-692_634x421.jpg

[fiddy]

Yes, very lovely..

Well done, you managed to dig up gypsy ghetto pictures. This is the future of Europe, they are spreading like plague coming to your home country as well. And before you label me as a racists ask other posters from the Balkans about the gypsies.

[fiddy]

Bulgaria is quite lovely. Varna City.

http://www.charterworld.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-city-of-Varna-Bulgaria-Photo-Credit-bulgariatravel.org_.jpg
sunny beach>>>>https://www.google.com/search?q=sunny+beach&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HnTsU77fKofR7AaTu4CYCA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1536&bih=764#q=sunny+beach+bulgaria&tbm=isch

[millwad]

sunny beach>>>>https://www.google.com/search?q=sunny+beach&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HnTsU77fKofR7AaTu4CYCA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1536&bih=764#q=sunny+beach+bulgaria&tbm=isch

Bulgaria:

http://toplist.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Stolipinovo-Bulgaria.jpg

[Nick Young]

many dumbasses will blame "Euorpean colonization" and "the whiteman".

I don't know the answer and it's not completely true. Cote D'Ivoire is doing pretty good for itself and is a black nation. So are some of the islands in the Caribbean, like Tahiti.

[fiddy]

Bulgaria:

Except for the fact that there live zero ethnically bulgarians


Stolipinovo is a district of the Bulgarian city of Plovdiv and the most populous predominantly Romani-inhabited district on the Balkans with a population of about 20,000 people

Douche, you are boring. This happens everywhere they go in Europe, Germany and France already started crying how bad this sub-human scum is.

[Nick Young]

Yes, very lovely..

http://www.eastsilver.net/admin/user_img/article/big/1488_309634d873899e8cce.jpg

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2008-07/94969.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-2273002-1671A90B000005DC-692_634x421.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[fiddy]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Damn+Bulgarians.+Im+not+from+Bulgaria+or+something +im+from_d1cf98_5084598.jpg

[millwad]

Well done, you managed to dig up gypsy ghetto pictures. This is the future of Europe, they are spreading like plague coming to your home country as well. And before you label me as a racists ask other posters from the Balkans about the gypsies.

It's not the future of Europe.
I've been in Balkan before, in fact, as matter of fact, I just came back after travelling around in Croatia for 3 weeks. Nothing like Bulgaria.

1.6 million Bulgarians are living under the poverty line, in total there lives around 325 000 gypsies in Bulgaria. You do the math, you can blame it on the Romani people all you want but fact is that you're from a piss poor country and what do you have to say about the rest of those 1.3 million Bulgarians who are living under the poverty line?

And I telling you this because you're a racist prick, you're full of hatred and you're ignorant. Want to judge other nations and their people? A good idea is to start with your own and the Romani people aren't to blame.

[fiddy]

It's not the future of Europe.
I've been in Balkan before, in fact, as matter of fact, I just came back after travelling around in Croatia for 3 weeks. Nothing like Bulgaria.

Nothing like Bulgaria? You dont know anything about Bulgaria, so you base your assumption on google images? Genius. Id suggest you stop talking out of your ass, you are beyond clueless on Balkans issues. Croatia never went through the socialism we have.


1.6 million Bulgarians are living under the poverty line, in total there lives around 325 000 gypsies in Bulgaria. You do the math, you can blame it on the Romani people all you want but fact is that you're from a piss poor country and what do you have to say about the rest of those 1.3 million Bulgarians who are living under the poverty line?
325k? they are at least 1m. And i told you already regardless of the fact we have many poor people, Bulgaria is a good place to live in. Due to to corruption/politcal instability people are reluctant to invest here regardless of the good economic environment. I cant force people to bring their businesses here.



And I telling you this because you're a racist prick, you're full of hatred and you're ignorant. Want to judge other nations and their people? A good idea is to start with your own and the Romani people aren't to blame.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[millwad]

Except for the fact that there live zero ethnically bulgarians



Douche, you are boring. This happens everywhere they go in Europe, Germany and France already started crying how bad this sub-human scum is.

Haha, now you're just being a clown.
The gypsies have been in Bulgaria for more than 500 years, you are not more Bulgarian than a Roma Bulgarian.

And stop blaming the gypsies for everything, they combine for 5% of the population. More than 20% of the Bulgarians are living under the freaking poverty line.

[millwad]

Nothing like Bulgaria? You dont know anything about Bulgaria, so you base your assumption on google images? Genius. Id suggest you stop talking out of your ass, you are beyond clueless on Balkans issues. Croatia never went through the socialism we have.

I know enough about Bulgaria to realize that you're the last person that should mock other nations and people for their poor economy. You are from one of the poorest countries in Europe and every fifth person you meet on the street is piss poor, that is a shame.



325k? they are at least 1m. And i told you already regardless of the fact we have many poor people, Bulgaria is a good place to live in. Due to to corruption/politcal instability people are reluctant to invest here regardless of the good economic environment. I cant force people to bring their businesses here.

Source?
I haven't found even one source claiming such a massive number, you're the only one and it's understandable since you're blaming them for everything.
A good place is not equal with a place where every fifth person on the street is piss poor. And who the hell would like to invest anything in Bulgaria, a piss poor country full of corruption. It makes sense that no one wants to invest in Bulgaria.

More than 84% of your beloved Bulgaria agrees that corruption is wide-spread and here you are blaming the Romani people, the poorest and a group that only combines for 5% of the nation, for everything.

[fiddy]

Haha, now you're just being a clown.
The gypsies have been in Bulgaria for more than 500 years, you are not more Bulgarian than a Roma Bulgarian.

And stop blaming the gypsies for everything, they combine for 5% of the population. More than 20% of the Bulgarians are living under the freaking poverty line.
I dare you to talk to other Balkans poster like Andrei89 on his opinion about the gypsies. You are extremely ignorant and clueless on our issues. You have no clue how that census was conducted in 2011 and how skewed the results are. The fact is that your knowledge is no where relevant to actual reality. Not sure if you are trolling or being serious, but at the end of the day your ignorance is close to infinity.

[millwad]

I dare you to talk to other Balkans poster like Andrei89 on his opinion about the gypsies. You are extremely ignorant and clueless on our issues. You have no clue how that census was conducted in 2011 and how skewed the results are. The fact is that your knowledge is no where relevant to actual reality. Not sure if you are trolling or being serious, but at the end of the day your ignorance is close to infinity.

Give me a source, you claimed that there are 1 million gypsies in Bulgaria.

And really, Andrei89, could you possibly ally with a more stupid poster? I knew you were an idiot but not that you would try ally with Andrei89 in a political discussion, the dude has no brain, and he lives in Netherlands. Wow, such a professional source.

If you wanna cry out over the results, that is not the only study proving that Bulgarians are one of the poorest people in Europe and in every study it shows that the amount of poor are way more than the amount of total gypsies. You fail yet again.

[fiddy]

Give me a source, you claimed that there are 1 million gypsies in Bulgaria.

And really, Andrei89, could you possibly ally with a more stupid poster? I knew you were an idiot but not that you would try ally with Andrei89 in a political discussion, the dude has no brain, and he lives in Netherlands. Wow, such a professional source.

If you wanna cry out over the results, that is not the only study proving that Bulgarians are one of the poorest people in Europe and in every study it shows that the amount of poor are way more than the amount of total gypsies. You fail yet again.

Im not urging you to engage in political discussion with him you doofus. Im asking you to talk to him about the gypsies number, their mentality and work ethic. As you have never been in either Romania or Bulgaria, you seem to have no clue whats really going on. Reading western journalist articles/statistics is never going to give you a glimpse of our reality. During the 2011 census we had to fill in a questionnaire that had a field about our nationality and the default option was bulgarian, so many of the gypsies picked it. According to the Bulgarian statistical institute by 2020 20% of the Bulgarian workforce will be gypsies, you do the math. I failed at what exactly? You are the other one talking about issues you dont know anything about and probably never will.

[Nick Young]

I know enough about Bulgaria to realize that you're the last person that should mock other nations and people for their poor economy. You are from one of the poorest countries in Europe and every fifth person you meet on the street is piss poor, that is a shame.



Source?
I haven't found even one source claiming such a massive number, you're the only one and it's understandable since you're blaming them for everything.
A good place is not equal with a place where every fifth person on the street is piss poor. And who the hell would like to invest anything in Bulgaria, a piss poor country full of corruption. It makes sense that no one wants to invest in Bulgaria.

More than 84% of your beloved Bulgaria agrees that corruption is wide-spread and here you are blaming the Romani people, the poorest and a group that only combines for 5% of the nation, for everything.
Millwall, aren't you swedes supposed to be liberal and accepting? Why are you hating on and mocking the poverty of your fellow euro-kin?

[East_Stone_Ya]

anyways back to topic, I have listed here below some issues why black African nations aren't developing as hoped.


THE ABSENCE OF PEACE AND SECURITY

When the Cold War ended in the late 1989 many African rulers did not change with the wind. As is evident in many countries, authoritarian rulers are still holding onto power tenaciously, with some dragging their citizens into internal conflicts, wars and terror thereby diverting human and material resources towards the wars and internal security of those in power.

DESTRUCTIVE STYLE OF POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC LEADERSHIP

African leaders abandoned their people and worked closely with their counterparts in developed countries so that they could live as comfortably as their northern counterparts and enjoy the political and economic power and the privileges which go with it.

LITTLE TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER

For unless Africa creates the environment for creative innovations and supports the same, she will remain technologically backward in a world where technology dominates commerce, politics and even culture. People of good will can help Africa, but Africa must create the enabling environment for her people to benefit from such support. Political leadership with that vision is currently lacking in many African countries.

CORRUPTION

Corruption is a serious cancer in Africa and it is eating into every aspect of life and into every socio-economic groups. The misery it brings to ordinary Africans and the opportunity it provides to non Africans to exploit Africa is reminiscent of the exploits of the Slave Trade. Today's African leaders are comparable to the African slave barons who facilitated the capturing and the selling-off of millions of their fellow blacks to distant lands where they were subjugated into slavery, only today they are subdued within their own borders.

ILLITERACY AND IGNORANCE

Yet another obstacle to development is illiteracy. Perhaps because Africa did not have its own alphabets, literacy is an over-valued asset and education and the ability to read and write has been over emphasised and equated with extraordinary abilities. And illiterate people over-trust those who can read and write under-value and underestimate themselves. This poor self-image and lack of self-confidence nurture an inferiority complex which puts illiterate citizens at the mercy of literate members of society.


http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/wangari-maathai/key-speeches-and-articles/bottleknecks-to-development-in-africa

[millwad]

Im not urging you to engage in political discussion with him you doofus. Im asking you to talk to him about the gypsies number, their mentality and work ethic. As you have never been in either Romania or Bulgaria, you seem to have no clue whats really going on. Reading western journalist articles/statistics is never going to give you a glimpse of our reality. During the 2011 census we had to fill in a questionnaire that had a field about our nationality and the default option was bulgarian, so many of the gypsies picked it. According to the Bulgarian statistical institute by 2020 20% of the Bulgarian workforce will be gypsies, you do the math. I failed at what exactly? You are the other one talking about issues you dont know anything about and probably never will.

I want actual sources, I couldn't care less about some poster's views about this matter, especially not when he's living in freaking Netherlands. I thought he was Russian and it really doesn't matter, I have seen his posts before in other discussions and he is a dumbass, just like you.

If that's the case, then the numbers from earlier than 2011 and afterwards shouldn't be the same, gypsies should have decreased which it didn't. You are mroe than welcome to post the BSI statistics regarding the Bulgarian workforce.

[millwad]

Millwall, aren't you swedes supposed to be liberal and accepting? Why are you hating on and mocking the poverty of your fellow euro-kin?

Don't be a jackass, I am am trying to make him realize how stupid he is when he writes stupid posts about other nations and nationalities when his own country is a mess.

And aren't you "British"-"American"-"Jewish" people supposed to have a brain, how come your brain never fully developed?

[Dresta]

Because that's what happens when you foist modern civilisation onto a by-in-large tribal group of societies and the abandon them to their own devices.

[fiddy]

I want actual sources, I couldn't care less about some poster's views about this matter, especially not when he's living in freaking Netherlands. I thought he was Russian and it really doesn't matter, I have seen his posts before in other discussions and he is a dumbass, just like you.

If that's the case, then the numbers from earlier than 2011 and afterwards shouldn't be the same, gypsies should have decreased which it didn't. You are mroe than welcome to post the BSI statistics regarding the Bulgarian workforce.
You have no idea how bad the situation actually is.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=122441


Don't be a jackass, I am am trying to make him realize how stupid he is when he writes stupid posts about other nations and nationalities when his own country is a mess.

And aren't you "British"-"American"-"Jewish" people supposed to have a brain, how come your brain never fully developed?
So what? I work, i pay my taxes and strive to get new knowledge. I have no issues criticising whole nations (including my own) if they dont do well.

[IcanzIIravor]

anyways back to topic, I have listed here below some issues why black African nations aren't developing as hoped.


THE ABSENCE OF PEACE AND SECURITY

When the Cold War ended in the late 1989 many African rulers did not change with the wind. As is evident in many countries, authoritarian rulers are still holding onto power tenaciously, with some dragging their citizens into internal conflicts, wars and terror thereby diverting human and material resources towards the wars and internal security of those in power.

DESTRUCTIVE STYLE OF POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC LEADERSHIP

African leaders abandoned their people and worked closely with their counterparts in developed countries so that they could live as comfortably as their northern counterparts and enjoy the political and economic power and the privileges which go with it.

LITTLE TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER

For unless Africa creates the environment for creative innovations and supports the same, she will remain technologically backward in a world where technology dominates commerce, politics and even culture. People of good will can help Africa, but Africa must create the enabling environment for her people to benefit from such support. Political leadership with that vision is currently lacking in many African countries.

CORRUPTION

Corruption is a serious cancer in Africa and it is eating into every aspect of life and into every socio-economic groups. The misery it brings to ordinary Africans and the opportunity it provides to non Africans to exploit Africa is reminiscent of the exploits of the Slave Trade. Today's African leaders are comparable to the African slave barons who facilitated the capturing and the selling-off of millions of their fellow blacks to distant lands where they were subjugated into slavery, only today they are subdued within their own borders.

ILLITERACY AND IGNORANCE

Yet another obstacle to development is illiteracy. Perhaps because Africa did not have its own alphabets, literacy is an over-valued asset and education and the ability to read and write has been over emphasised and equated with extraordinary abilities. And illiterate people over-trust those who can read and write under-value and underestimate themselves. This poor self-image and lack of self-confidence nurture an inferiority complex which puts illiterate citizens at the mercy of literate members of society.


http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/wangari-maathai/key-speeches-and-articles/bottleknecks-to-development-in-africa

Good read there.

[IcanzIIravor]

Because that's what happens when you foist modern civilisation onto a by-in-large tribal group of societies and the abandon them to their own devices.

I think that is a huge part of it and a big part also is how these nations where cobbled together by the colonial powers. Mirrors how nations like Iraq, Syria, etc formed with traditional rivals being forced together and held in check by those powers. Once they disengaged without a gradual handover of power in shared governments....well this is what you get. A number of those countries are stabilizing and moving forward, but it will take a few decades more to get there.

[millwad]

You have no idea how bad the situation actually is.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=122441


So what? I work, i pay my taxes and strive to get new knowledge. I have no issues criticising whole nations (including my own) if they dont do well.


At present the ethnic Bulgarians in Bulgaria are estimated at 5 million, the ethnic Turks at around 1 million, and the Roma at 1 million, according to the center.



I am very interested in those numbers, I have not seen even one source claim that the number is that big. There's a massive difference between the number presented in that article compared to the other results I've read about. I've read reports that there may be 2-300 000 more gypsies but that even if that would be the case you don't make sense.

You blame everything on the gypsies even though more than twice as many as the whole gypsy population are living under the poverty line. Even if you would like to claim that all the gypsies are living under the poverty line, you still have almost a million people under the poverty line in Bulgaria and that is scary.

And then to the fact that Bulgaria is on the most corrupt nations in Europe doesn't make it all any better. Corruption, is that something you're blaming the ROmani people for as well?

[fiddy]

I am very interested in those numbers, I have not seen even one source claim that the number is that big. There's a massive difference between the number presented in that article compared to the other results I've read about. I've read reports that there may be 2-300 000 more gypsies but that even if that would be the case you don't make sense.

You blame everything on the gypsies even though more than twice as many as the whole gypsy population are living under the poverty line. Even if you would like to claim that all the gypsies are living under the poverty line, you still have almost a million people under the poverty line in Bulgaria and that is scary.

And then to the fact that Bulgaria is on the most corrupt nations in Europe doesn't make it all any better. Corruption, is that something you're blaming the ROmani people for as well?
I blame them for being bad 21st century citizens. They have multiple kids, they are set to grow in number hence the uneducated and poorly mannered population will grow as well. I dont blame them for everything, as you dont know my entire view of our internal affairs. I told you google wont be able to give you good sense of our reality. Most numbers you see online are based on the 2011 census, in which you could easily declare you are cambodian national and no-one will ever ask if thats true or challange it in way. I dont have the time right now to elaborate.

[kNIOKAS]

Because of Capitalism.

[Dresta]

Because of Capitalism.
No, that would be the answer to the question 'why aren't all nations incredibly unsuccessful, living in perpetual filth and misery?'

[kNIOKAS]

No, that would be the answer to the question 'why aren't all nations incredibly unsuccessful, living in perpetual filth and misery?'
No, you're thinking of Military.

[russwest0]

In over 6,000 years of recorded history, the blacks building capability has not progressed beyond that of a mud and straw hut. Beavers, birds, rabbits, mice, and many other animals are capable of building better structures than the Blacks in Africa.

[Im Still Ballin]

So many racists in this thread.

You guys ****ing sicken me.

[East_Stone_Ya]

In over 6,000 years of recorded history, the blacks building capability has not progressed beyond that of a mud and straw hut. Beavers, birds, rabbits, mice, and many other animals are capable of building better structures than the Blacks in Africa.

and yet you dare to call other people racist?

[russwest0]

and yet you dare to call other people racist?

Stating facts does not equivocate to racism.

I'm not racist towards ANYBODY. I was even friends with a black guy in high school.

[dr.hee]

In over 6,000 years of recorded history, the blacks building capability has not progressed beyond that of a mud and straw hut. Beavers, birds, rabbits, mice, and many other animals are capable of building better structures than the Blacks in Africa.

All those animals also have a bigger d*ck than you. Is that the problem here? And we all know blacks have bigger "structures" than your people as well :cheers:

[russwest0]

All those animals also have a bigger d*ck than you. Is that the problem here? And we all know blacks have bigger "structures" than your people as well :cheers:

The brain size of a black person is on average 10-20% smaller than the brain size of say, a white person.

[LJJ]

Fertility rates around the world.
http://i.imgur.com/U9XBZv8.png







That image scares the hell out of me anyway.

[StephHamann]

http://i.imgur.com/U9XBZv8.png







That image scares the hell out of me anyway.

Is it ***** size?

[russwest0]

There are currently more african slaves around the world than there ever were at any point in the US.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html

Yeah, America are the bad guys though... :rolleyes:

[fiddy]

The brain size of a black person is on average 10-20% smaller than the brain size of say, a white person.
source?

[Nick Young]

In over 6,000 years of recorded history, the blacks building capability has not progressed beyond that of a mud and straw hut. Beavers, birds, rabbits, mice, and many other animals are capable of building better structures than the Blacks in Africa.
What about the pyramids, numbnuts?:facepalm

[russwest0]

What about the pyramids, numbnuts?:facepalm

http://i.imgur.com/eZjAm.jpg

[Dresta]

No, you're thinking of Military.
That literally doesn't make any sense. The military wouldn't exist without the spread of commerce.

[Godzuki]

theres a lot of stuff, even current day you can say. but honestly i find many africans who come over to America hard working, good people. I think American black people have overall less ambition and work ethic with a plethora of excuses and double standards. Not all but many...especially of the poor variety who always blame society for everything.

meanwhile people who come over here with nothing do better than many of them do for themselves. the thing that annoys me about media is the political correctness which makes excuses for that fact, and never blames those individuals who didn't care about school, dropped out, etc. with gang tattoo's all over their body...and its always society's fault to them. always the police who are their enemies not the drug dealers, gangsters, etc. Its hopeless because its in their culture and our left media to blame everyone else but themselves.

its not very fun, or easy to work all of the time.... 2 jobs, night classes, getting to bed early and waking up early, etc. instead of hanging out but thats what some people do.

[MMM]

Fertility rates around the world.
http://i.imgur.com/U9XBZv8.png







That image scares the hell out of me anyway.

Think half the population of where I come from is under the age of 14. Oddly enough there has been some progress lately and economic opportunities can be taken advantage of due to some new found stability. It's still fragile but outside the obvious trouble spots the continent as a whole is showing marginal incremental progress.

[Trollsmasher]

millwad talking shit with Sweden being in a process of self-destruction:lol

[Jailblazers7]

Fertility rates around the world.
http://i.imgur.com/U9XBZv8.png







That image scares the hell out of me anyway.

Map of mortality probably looks identical for Africa tho.

OP - go read Guns, Germs, and Steel, Mr. Renaissance Man.

[GimmeThat]

Fertility rates around the world.
http://i.imgur.com/U9XBZv8.png







That image scares the hell out of me anyway.


learning the value of life, does indeed generally comes before prosperity.

i don't know enough history to stand by that statement however.

[MMM]

theres a lot of stuff, even current day you can say. but honestly i find many africans who come over to America hard working, good people. I think American black people have overall less ambition and work ethic with a plethora of excuses and double standards. Not all but many...especially of the poor variety who always blame society for everything.

meanwhile people who come over here with nothing do better than many of them do for themselves. the thing that annoys me about media is the political correctness which makes excuses for that fact, and never blames those individuals who didn't care about school, dropped out, etc. with gang tattoo's all over their body...and its always society's fault to them. always the police who are their enemies not the drug dealers, gangsters, etc. Its hopeless because its in their culture and our left media to blame everyone else but themselves.

its not very fun, or easy to work all of the time.... 2 jobs, night classes, getting to bed early and waking up early, etc. instead of hanging out but thats what some people do.

So much is wrong in the above. First you won't find many from a non immigrant back round that fit your description whither they are black, white, Asian, native, etc. Also I don't see how blacks lack ambition and in some situations it is actually a negative for them.

[Godzuki]

So much is wrong in the above. First you won't find many from a non immigrant back round that fit your description whither they are black, white, Asian, native, etc. Also I don't see how blacks lack ambition and in some situations it is actually a negative for them.


oh please, we can all tell African blacks from American born blacks, and many here don't even call themselves 'african american', which is the first i've heard but hey, i'm not the one saying that. Either way there is a obvious distinction no matter how technical you want to get. hate having to explain obvious shit because people want to be so politically correct or technical for no reason :rolleyes:

what else is wrong?

[DCL]

Bulgaria:

http://toplist.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Stolipinovo-Bulgaria.jpg


ghetto shithole

[kentatm]

If they haven't made it in the past centuries, there is no way to do it unless foreign money helps them.

:facepalm

your ignorance is always incredibly stunning

[BasedTom]

What about the pyramids, numbnuts?:facepalm
Are you one of those people who believes that Charlemagne and Mozart were black too? :lol :facepalm

North Africa has very different demographics compared to Sub-Saharan Africa.

[red1]

Tribalism, corruption, and hostile environment are most likely the main reasons.

The brain size of a black person is on average 10-20% smaller than the brain size of say, a white person.
:lol this f*cking troll

[red1]

The brain size of a black person is on average 10-20% smaller than the brain size of say, a white person.
I am african but I am more intelligent than you by every measure. If dick size were a measure of intelligence I would also be more intelligent in that category as well :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

I am african but I am more intelligent than you by every measure. If dick size were a measure of intelligence I would also be more intelligent in that category as well :oldlol:
His 20% figure is utterly ridiculous, but it actually is true that whites proportionally have slightly larger brains than blacks and East Asians (mongoloids) have slightly larger brains than whites.

[red1]

His 20% figure is utterly ridiculous, but it actually is true that whites proportionally have slightly larger brains than blacks and East Asians (mongoloids) have slightly larger brains than whites.
yeah thats not true

[NumberSix]

yeah thats not true
It doesn't matter how much anybody wants it to be true or not. It just is. Maybe it's the Neanderthal genetic contribution that is missing from subsaharan Africans. Who knows. It is a fact though.

[red1]

It doesn't matter how much anybody wants it to be true or not. It just is. Maybe it's the Neanderthal genetic contribution that is missing from subsaharan Africans. Who knows. It is a fact though.
link? probably a shitty study if anything. if it were true ********** would have already funded and published a book based on the fact

[NumberSix]

link? probably a shitty study if anything. if it were true ********** would have already funded and published a book based on the fact
If I told you that Africans have different shaped lower teeth from Asians, would you doubt it? If I told you that Africans have slightly different shaped feet than Europeans, would you doubt it?

Why the hesitance to accept slight differences when it comes to the brain?

[red1]

If I told you that Africans have different shaped lower teeth from Asians, would you doubt it? If I told you that Africans have slightly different shaped feet than Europeans, would you doubt it?

Why the hesitance to accept slight differences when it comes to the brain?
you are the one asserting the claim. just post a link. otherwise I will view your post like the obvious BS that it is

[MavsSuperFan]

IMO here are the reasons:

Poor governance. African nations are typically poorly governed

This stems from the fact that most african nations are relatively young nations.

A lot of african nations only achieved independence from europe after europe was greatly weakened by WW2.

Colonialism really set africa back.

Why did european's manage to colonize africa? Simple, military technology such as the maxim machine gun. Areas close to the shoreline were colonized early because of warships. but it took until the invention of the maxim gun and the development of medical treatments to temper the affects of malaria before euros managed to conquer and colonize the interior of africa.

Why were euros able to develop advanced weapons you ask? Well that is complex, but explained well by jared diamond in his book guns, germs and steel. I highly recommend any history buff read the book, but if you are too lazy to here is the documentary that explains his theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36BQW1SuHQ8 (part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsKBFXe7biQ (part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xPvd_HFZZE (part 3)

Basic summary of his argument:

Diamond who travelled a lot to papua new guinea, was asked by a friend there, why europeans had so much advanced technology while they had so little. Diamond could not answer the question initially. He didnt accept that he was smarter than the people of papua new guinea. To paraphrase him : "Without these people I would die in the jungle in a single night, these folks are resourceful beyond my wildest dreams."

Eventually he arrived at the reason. In his opinion it was agriculture. People in papua had to spend 8-12 hours a day just getting enough food to eat. After sleeping 8 hours, there are only 16 hours in a day. It is hard to advance if you dont live in an area where "super crops" (relatively easy to grow and full of substance. eg wheat and rice) grow easily.

Also farm animals can greatly improve agricultural productivity. Eg an ox can plow a field far better than any human. A horse can be ridden to herd cattle, etc.

the climate and latitude at which these domesticable farm animals thrive coincided with europe.

Although africa has a lot of resources useful for advanced societies (eg. gold, uranium, crude oil, etc) it lacks a lot of foundational resources. Also most of the animals large enough to be useful in farming found in africa are difficult to tame and/or to bred.

Eg. euros tried to tame zebras when the got to africa, they found unlike horses zebras couldnt be tamed. African elephants are both super hard to tame and have super long gestation periods making them hard and expensive to bred.

Long story short if you need to spend 8-12 hours a day gathering food.
1. you are going to do that so you dont starve
2. you are not going to advance much as a society.

Edit: to answer OP's question, africa got dealt a bad hand by fate, in terms of climate, agriculture and animals useful for farming. A lot of euro success is a good hand. Eg. are you really great at poker if you win while being dealt a great hand?

Edit 2: also one of the examples diamond uses to support his arguments is when the middle east's climate shifted to become more arid its civilizations dropped off.

[MavsSuperFan]

Considering it was built upon the free labor of black people, the USA should count.
not that i want to condone slavery at all but, many indications are that slavery retards the development of societies. (and obviously it is super immoral)

Eg. the least advanced parts of america have always been the deep south.
Eg. the arab world used slavery and is relatively backward.

During the civil war a huge reason the north won is because of its higher levels of industrialization and technology.

Cheap labor (or free labor) prevents the catalyst for technological development.

Eg. as farm hands got more expensive we developed the combine tractor to harvest wheat.

Also other farming equipment as well.

It was the treads on farming equipment that inspired the treads on tanks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_track

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Hornsby.jpg/220px-Hornsby.jpg
farming eq

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Challenger_1_suspension.jpg/220px-Challenger_1_suspension.jpg

Edit to summarize this argument:
As cheap labor becomes expensive entrepreneurs have increasing incentives to develop technology to replace labor. R&D costs that looked excessive in the past become attractive as labor costs increase. The new technology developed in this particular field may inspire technologies in other fields.

Eg. if min wage is increased to $15 an hour lots of fast food workers would be happy in the short run, but I suspect companies like McDs would start trying to develop machines that could put together a happy meal.

[NumberSix]

you are the one asserting the claim. just post a link. otherwise I will view your post like the obvious BS that it is

It's a touchy subject that you kind of have to dance around, and some people will never accept what they don't want to be true, but it is a scientific fact that Negroids, Caucasoids and mongoloids have slightly different sized brains with slight difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDuNjVs7f8

[russwest0]

Considering it was built upon the free labor of black people, the USA should count.

Damn, who sold those slaves to the USA?

[MMM]

oh please, we can all tell African blacks from American born blacks, and many here don't even call themselves 'african american', which is the first i've heard but hey, i'm not the one saying that. Either way there is a obvious distinction no matter how technical you want to get. hate having to explain obvious shit because people want to be so politically correct or technical for no reason :rolleyes:

what else is wrong?

Saying there is difference between African Americans and african immigrants is not some ground breaking discovery. You make it seem like you just discovered it for the first time so I'm not sure what your point is when other immigrant groups in comparison with white, asian, native groups are similar to the comparison of blacks vs. africans.

[NumberSix]

No one. They went and kidnapped people. That's usually how it works when being removed from your homeland.
http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/chris-rock-huh-face.gif

[Just2McFly]

number six knows lebron is african american right?

[Rameek]

If I told you that Africans have different shaped lower teeth from Asians, would you doubt it? If I told you that Africans have slightly different shaped feet than Europeans, would you doubt it?

Why the hesitance to accept slight differences when it comes to the brain?
Because you're an idiot that should try discovering what is phenotype....

This has nothing to do with brain size or for that matter does brain size mean a higher brain function?

[JtotheIzzo]

By population Nigeria is the biggest, I bet you guys didn't know that did you?

To those that say blacks are ghetto and uneducated. Look what they created...pretty impressive.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Lagos,_Nigeria_57991.jpg


that looks like hell, even on a nice day.

Africa has been robbed and pillaged for most of the last Millenia, and it is a common theme with warm weather countries, there is simply a lack of need to go abroad, to innovate, so they fall behind.

Compare Southeast Asia to Northeast Asia, North America to Central America and the Caribbean.

Its not race as much as it is 'housing' discrimination. If your 'house' has the right coordinates, then your chance for success is much greater. If you come from a warm weather country, chances are you are fakked.

[NumberSix]

Because you're an idiot that should try discovering what is phenotype....

This has nothing to do with brain size or for that matter does brain size mean a higher brain function?
Nobody is talking about brain function.

English is obviously not your first language, so I think you're not really understanding the discussion in it's fullest context.

[NumberSix]

number six knows lebron is african american right?
Yeah, why? :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

Map of mortality probably looks identical for Africa tho.

OP - go read Guns, Germs, and Steel, Mr. Renaissance Man.


This is a fun book to read to learn some things about science and history and anthropology but it doesn't really tackle the issue it sets out to at the beginning, which is basically why do northern regions over time tend to become more advanced.

I have a proprietary theory about that and its only agenda is figuring out the history/truth but it isn't a PC, feel-good explanation and so people who are too emotional/sensitive to be impartial will castigate me and label me and dismiss the idea bc they prefer silent mass ignorance to accepting any reality that doesn't jive with their "my entire identity is to play the 'we're-all-the-same' nice guy card and if I don't have that I'm nothing" shtick.



Subsaharan Africa is a brutal climate, and historically to survive there you have to have evolved certain physical traits. There is no abundance of resources and to make it, you cannot be fragile. Thus, the inhabitants were evolved to look like this:

http://www.d-65.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/20120510_serra_cafema_0073.jpg

That's basically how you have to be built to survive in THAT scorching climate.

This woman cannot survive in prehistoric Africa:

http://image.funscrape.com/images/j/japanese_girl_10597.jpg


And women who were born too delicate back then, simply DIDNT survive.


But eventually, with the advent of farming/domestication and the migration of early peoples away from desert lands, fragile physical genomes experienced a higher survival rate. A delicate looking woman then becomes a signal of resource abundance and becomes an attractive mate. As men, who are naturally more aggressive, mate with the more delicate females, who prefer safety and domestic stability, their offspring experience a similar shift in disposition. Basically, instead of men running around like a bunch of alpha male bulls butting heads with each other, they develop a greater desire for stability and order, and thus the impetus for cohesive societies grows. Men, essentially experience a drop in testosterone, and become more effeminate. As greater resource availability continues to produce an abundance of more "indoor/administrative" roles, those who occupy these more lucrative roles lose the harsh physical features requisite for a hunter/gatherer of the land. Because daughters of people with more security have increasingly delicate complexion, the association to resources becomes obvious and successful men seek to marry these lighter skinned women, and that's where an evolved attraction to them comes from. It's the same exact reason why women in Asia all use whitening masks. It's not that there is anything objectively more aesthetic about dark skin versus light skin in women, but we evolved early on to associate lighter skin with resource abundance. People who work indoors.


Now, as mentioned in guns, germs, and steel, the latitudinal nature of Eurasia made it possible for things like the Silk Road to transport crops, ideas, technology etc. all along its diamater, and thus allow the synergy of growth between separate societies on its axis. So that if Europe develops cattle farming and China develops gun powder, eventually both will have both, which is not the case for societies in Africa. And that certainly plays a part in the divergence.


But different predispositions do work better in different TYPES of societies, and that's just how it goes. Just look at the world mang. Scandanavian and Japanese women have the most delicate features, and those male populations are known for things like patience, discipline, aversion to aggression, etc. which historically ARE female traits. Hell, you can look at homosexuals who have a higher correlation of femininity, and a higher correlation of success in modern society. It's no coincidence. People who value stability and security are people who aren't built to scrap and fight and butt heads all the time. So they survive by doing administration.

And just look at the world as it is today. You have scandinavian countries with the highest quality of life, then down through your Britains and your Frances, then you go down through Spain and Italy, then into the Middle East, and finally into Congo and Zaire and stuff... populations simply get less 'docile'along the way and more volatile. Obviously this is NOT to say everyone in these places fits this general description. And of course that's what everyone is so worried about when discussing this issues: Admitting a trend will be condemning everyone associated with it. But we don't need to do that. There are people from Sweden to Zaire and everywhere in between who are smarter than I am personally, and more disciplined than I am personally. I have no problem admitting that. But it doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist. Just like at 5'11 tall, there are literally a million Asian people taller than me. That doesn't change the fact that statistically, ON AVERAGE, a randomly selected Asian person will be shorter than me. There is variance in the world. Everyone isn't the exact same. What is so offensive about pointing this out? Stop being beta!


And thus, it is what it is. This is absolutely, 100% not meant to say any one group is better than any other, but simply explain LOGICALLY why different populations thrive differently depending on environment. Got damn I'm a beast wit the logic, Rambo where you at my dude? I got your Rennaisance right here.



Edit: And I also want to note, that this theory is a GENERAL PATTERN. We of course know there are sensitive, non confrontational black men, aggressive and even masculine azn women, and all sorts of combinations in between across all peoples. Every single individual is different. Nobody is assured to be like anyone else just bc they have they share a common ancestral "race." BUT in terms of the way general patternrs emerge, especially when evolution was very raw and straightfoward (before modern technology), you simply do get an accretion of qualities that are suited towards particular environmental factors specific to each group. I mean, that's what evolution is. Can't really deny it.

[Akrazotile]

that looks like hell, even on a nice day.

Africa has been robbed and pillaged for most of the last Millenia, and it is a common theme with warm weather countries, there is simply a lack of need to go abroad, to innovate, so they fall behind.

Compare Southeast Asia to Northeast Asia, North America to Central America and the Caribbean.

Its not race as much as it is 'housing' discrimination. If your 'house' has the right coordinates, then your chance for success is much greater. If you come from a warm weather country, chances are you are fakked.


I have a friend who suggests the warm weather/cold weather thing, but the problem I have is that Eskimos don't dominate civilization. On a per capita level places like Japan and France outpace Russia economically. So I find it difficult to chalk this stuff up to geographical motivation. The Iroquois of NY, to my knowledge, were no more advanced than the Aztec's of Mexico or the Incas of Chile.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

number six knows lebron is african american right?
Relevance?

[NumberSix]

Relevance?
Because apparently, acknowledging that humans from different environments have different physical traits automatically means there is no such thing as things merely being different. They have to be either superior or inferior. Inferior automatically = black. Therefore.....

Acknowledging the existence of physical differences = blacks are inferior.

NumberSix acknowledges the existence of physical differences = NumberSix thinks blacks are inferior.



"Does NumberSix know that LeBron is black? NumberSix obviously think blacks are inferior and therefore must hate blacks. Since he clearly hates blacks, how can he be such a LeBron stan?"

[Balla_Status]

Bulgaria is ****ing awesome and would be a great place to live. It does have some third world shit going on but it's not like it's complete shambles. Correct me if I'm wrong but the corruption mainly comes from the bulgarian mafia?

Fantastic value for money and people that are generally fine with their lives. The gypsies are not even that rampant where I was. They are annoying when they beg for money though and pretty persistent. **** they're ugly as well.

All of the nice, beautiful, educated females all speak more than one language in the sexiest accents in world. The dudes are well educated as well. It sucks only knowing one language but it's way more of a necessity to know multiple languages living in the US than it is living in Australia, USA, New Zealand etc. No fatties either. Of course I was only there for two weeks but it's not like it's some giant shit hole full of poor people walking around like millwad is talking about.

Skip Sunny beach as it's full of dbags from England...if you're with some friends it's fine but don't go alone.

Old ass road from the 900s in an old roman town called Nessebar. This is some medieval/game of thrones shit:

http://www.explore-bulgaria.net/explore-bulgaria/images/unesco/nessebar-4.jpg

Could post multiple pictures of Black Sea but you can do that yourself. Great beaches full of topless babes.