What's Your Opinion on the Rodney King Incident and His Life After?

[Meticode]

Just curious how people feel about him. I read up on the incident to get all details and apparently he won a $3.8 million lawsuit against the city. Later on still had trouble with DUIs, even got in a hit-and-run with his ex-wife and later died from an accidentally drowning finding alcohol, PCP and cocaine in his system.

Anyone ever read up on this?

[russwest0]

While I don't think that violently rioting is the best way to go about getting a message across, in this circumstance I can kind of see the justification. The African American community felt that they weren't being heard, so they did whatever they could in order to change that.

However to me personally, if I'm trying to change the minds of people who I feel have a bias against me, the last thing I'm going to do is act in a criminal way to try and change their mind. That simply won't work.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

doesn't surprise me. black people gonna black people.

[Meticode]

Howeveror me personally, if I'm trying to change the minds of people who I feel have a bias against me, the last thing I'm going to do is act in a criminal way to try and change their mind. That simply won't work.
I agree with this. People's knee jerk reaction shouldn't be to riot. If you get past the 7,000 fires that were caused by the riots, the 3,100 businesses damaged, in the end 53 total people died because of the riots. I wonder how many them unjustly and innocently.

That struck me the hardest after I read that. 53 lost their lives because of the riots.

[Raymone]

Anyone ever read up on this?

Aren't you like 40? You don't remember the LA riots?

[Raymone]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

[Meticode]

Aren't you like 40? You don't remember the LA riots?
I'm 29. I will be 30 in September. I was 8 or 9 when it happened. I ever fully read up on it until last night. Spent about 2 hours on the subject on curious what led up to the incident, what occurred during the incident, and what happened afterwards with King and his life.

His life was sad and it made me really frustrated to read that he didn't change his life afterwards. Still getting DUIs, getting in trouble, then eventually dying because of the very things that got him arrested or what led up to it.

[DeuceWallaces]

He was nearly beat to death on live television. I don't think it's easy to just bounce back from that.

[Meticode]

He was nearly beat to death on live television. I don't think it's easy to just bounce back from that.

I bet it isn't, but alas...

He had alcohol issues and drug issues before the beating ever took place. Those things are what led to his death. The reason he got pulled over in the first place was for those very reasons.

It makes me said that a whole city and several other cities rioted because this man got beat unjustly. And those riots led to 53 deaths and the only thing he did with his life after that is win a $3.8 million lawsuit, get in trouble with DUIs afterwards, go to jail for hit-and-run, then eventually die by accidentally drowning himself because of all the shit in his system.

Even though he was under the legal limit (barely) by the time they took the BAC test, 5 hours had already passed since the time of the beating. So his BAC could've easily went down over that time period.

[SpecialQue]

The LAPD is one of the most corrupt, criminal police departments in the US. There's a feeling of powerlessness that minorities feel here, since cops fvck with the ALL THE TIME. Rodney King was a scumbag, but he didn't deserve to get beat the way he did, and it was disgusting that the officers got off. The riots were disgusting, but it's not like there wasn't a massive build up to something like this happening.

[russwest0]

The LAPD is one of the most corrupt, criminal police departments in the US.

I agree with this as well.

[SpecialQue]

I bet it isn't, but alas...

He had alcohol issues and drug issues before the beating ever took place. Those things are what led to his death. The reason he got pulled over in the first place was for those very reasons.

It makes me said that a whole city and several other cities rioted because this man got beat unjustly. And those riots led to 53 deaths and the only thing he did with his life after that is win a $3.8 million lawsuit, get in trouble with DUIs afterwards, go to jail for hit-and-run, then eventually die by accidentally drowning himself because of all the shit in his system.

Even though he was under the legal limit (barely) by the time they took the BAC test, 5 hours had already passed since the time of the beating. So his BAC could've easily went down over that time period.

King was beaten repeatedly, well after he was already "subdued" and could have been handcuffed. The cops just succumbed to the human urge to beat the shit out of someone who was causing them trouble.

I'd say King deserved a few of those hits for putting other people's lives in danger, but repeatedly? And keep in mind, this was one of those rare instances where the cops were actually caught in the act. There have been many, many reports of people getting harassed, beaten, and raped by police here. Once again, the riots were disgusting, but there's a reason why they happened. King was just the final straw.

[Meticode]

The LAPD is one of the most corrupt, criminal police departments in the US. There's a feeling of powerlessness that minorities feel here, since cops fvck with the ALL THE TIME. Rodney King was a scumbag, but he didn't deserve to get beat the way he did, and it was disgusting that the officers got off. The riots were disgusting, but it's not like there wasn't a massive build up to something like this happening.
Very good post. I can definitely see this. This is what led to the Cincinnati 2001 riots which was the biggest urban disturbance since the '92 L.A. Riots. Basically a black unarmed 19 year old got shot unarmed and died and the officer got fired, but he could get rehired at another department. Black community was up in arms, along with a lot of other people and started protesting, and the protests turned into riots eventually because idiots just wanted to do it.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM
Damn...those monkeys should be locked in the zoo.

[Meticode]

King was beaten repeatedly, well after he was already "subdued" and could have been handcuffed. The cops just succumbed to the human urge to beat the shit out of someone who was causing them trouble.

I'd say King deserved a few of those hits for putting other people's lives in danger, but repeatedly? And keep in mind, this was one of those rare instances where the cops were actually caught in the act. There have been many, many reports of people getting harassed, beaten, and raped by police here. Once again, the riots were disgusting, but there's a reason why they happened. King was just the final straw.
Not sure why you brought this up, I'm definitely NOT justifying what the cops did. Apparently the report goes he reached for his buttocks which the cops took as a weapon. One officer pulled her gun on him initiating the arrest, LAPD commanding officer took over, told everyone to holster their weapons and they would try to swarm him bare handed, that didn't work, they tasered him twice and then the batons come out and they start beating him.

I can understand that they would need to hit him a few times if he keeps getting up, because in the video you can clearly see he keeps trying to get up when getting hit, but then I ask myself "Look at all those officers there, there's at least 5+. You mean to tell me 5+ officers can subdue him and have to keep repeatedly power stroke him with their batons?" In total they took about 33 swings with batons all together.

[SpecialQue]

Not sure why you brought this up, I'm definitely NOT justifying what the cops did. Apparently the report goes he reached for his buttocks which the cops took as a weapon. One officer pulled her gun on him initiating the arrest, LAPD commanding officer took over, told everyone to holster their weapons and they would try to swarm him bare handed, that didn't work, they tasered him twice and then the batons come out and they start beating him.

I can understand that they would need to hit him a few times if he keeps getting up, because in the video you can clearly see he keeps trying to get up when getting hit, but then I ask myself "Look at all those officers there, there's at least 5+. You mean to tell me 5+ officers can subdue him and have to keep repeatedly power stroke him with their batons?" In total they took about 33 swings with batons all together.

Looking back at your post that I replied to, I have no idea why I went on that mini-rant, since we're both in agreement on this. :lol

[Meticode]

Looking back at your post that I replied to, I have no idea why I went on that mini-rant, since we're both in agreement on this. :lol
It strikes a cord. Sad part is we'll never get rid of this. Human interaction is imperfect and biased, racism, prejudice will always be a part of policing whether we want it to be or not.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

I saw this video and was shocked.

[Akrazotile]

I agree with this. People's knee jerk reaction shouldn't be to riot. If you get past the 7,000 fires that were caused by the riots, the 3,100 businesses damaged, in the end 53 total people died because of the riots. I wonder how many them unjustly and innocently.

That struck me the hardest after I read that. 53 lost their lives because of the riots.


Peoples knee jerk reaction when their friggin sports teams win something is to riot.

It's simply what you get when a public is void of the ability to express themselves in a constructive way. (Not talkin race here, but large groups in general)

[ThePhantomCreep]

The riots were years in the making--the "not guilty" verdicts were simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

LAPD deserved every last bit of hate they received in the era, I don't care how thankless their task was policing the war zone known as South Central LA.

[NumberSix]

Seems impossible how anybody could watch the video of all those cops taking turns beating the shit out of King and think it was reasonable force by the cops.

[Xover]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

Look it's Ice Cube puttin in work

[KNOW1EDGE]

I didn't even know he died.

It's a very sad story what happened to him. Those riots are an important part of history. It needs to happen again to keep the police and our government in check.

[Tarik One]

I didn't even know he died.

It's a very sad story what happened to him. Those riots are an important part of history. It needs to happen again to keep the police and our government in check.
Maybe you should make yourself a sacrificial victim to start another one.

[niko]

The rioters were asinine. They destroyed their own neighborhood. They stole from their own area, destroyed their own stores. The only people who made stores inside some of these bad areas were koreans and they pretty much drove them out. I get the anger on the incident which was ridiculous (when a person isn't fighting back the police need to stop) but the actual riots accomplished nothing except making their shitty life situation more shitty.

[dude77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w

the koreans weren't fkn' around .. too bad more people weren't prepared like this

[Meticode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w

the koreans weren't fkn' around .. too bad more people weren't prepared like this
Holy shit, they were ready.

[Meticode]

The rioters were asinine. They destroyed their own neighborhood. They stole from their own area, destroyed their own stores. The only people who made stores inside some of these bad areas were koreans and they pretty much drove them out. I get the anger on the incident which was ridiculous (when a person isn't fighting back the police need to stop) but the actual riots accomplished nothing except making their shitty life situation more shitty.
I agree with. When I read more information on the riots that happened majority of the riots or the main pushers of them were L.A. street gang. After researching the burnings a huge amount of the business burnings were Korean businesses.

The pattern of business burnings explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An8LJ_fv0mo#t=2640

So to battle racism, the rioters pushed racism.

[Meticode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w

the koreans weren't fkn' around .. too bad more people weren't prepared like this
That's a small group of Koreans that were ready trying to defend their lively hoods. After researching the rioters seemed to specifically target Korean business in the burnings.

[Rameek]

First of all when Black people were getting profiled, assaulted and a worse by police it just never was taken seriously. Many people got railroaded by police and the justice system and the inequality of proper service from both.

"driving while black..." was a sentiment that most of the black community felt.

Rodney King became the videoed example of what most black people were going through in some form or fashion. That video became the voice of the community although Rodney King wasnt. He was a troubled man before and money compounded his own issues.

The riots and riots in general are self destructive to the residents and perpetrators of their own community but is not mutually exclusive to the black community. The resulting actions from the riots is inexcusable and unjustifiable.

Rodney King like mentioned before was the straw that broke the camels back.

To this day I react and respond during traffic stops or any interaction not to give the cops a reason to harm me or god forbid use deadly force. This doesnt matter the race of cop either.

[ALBballer]

Rodney King was a scumbag. He has prior run in with the law and he was drunk and going over 100 mph. He put other people in risk with his behavior and the other two passengers in the car that complied with the police officers were arrested immediately and did not face the same fate as King.

With that said, I am against authoritarians abusing their power and there was no need to beat him to the point he was on the verge of dying. I don't see how the 3 police officers were "not-guilty."

[Orlando Magic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w

the koreans weren't fkn' around .. too bad more people weren't prepared like this

:eek:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Awesome.

[Orlando Magic]

My thoughts are that OJ Simpson was allowed to get away with murder as a result of the injustice surrounding Rodney King (who was a rampant piece of shit by the way).

My thoughts are also that black people are more racist than white people, in today's world.

[Tarik One]

The rioters were asinine. They destroyed their own neighborhood. They stole from their own area, destroyed their own stores. The only people who made stores inside some of these bad areas were koreans and they pretty much drove them out. I get the anger on the incident which was ridiculous (when a person isn't fighting back the police need to stop) but the actual riots accomplished nothing except making their shitty life situation more shitty.
They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.

[ALBballer]

They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.

So the fact they were Korean makes it ok to loot their stores and steal because they didn't recycle money back into the black community?

[Godzuki]

They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.


jesus christ black movement brainwashing bullshit :facepalm

America is a capitalist society. People are free to start business's ANYWHERE. they don't HAVE to give to black people who happen to be their biggest consumers in inner cities...GTFO here with that Lawrence Fishburne Boyz in da Hood stupidity. Y'all mf'ers always want free shit, expecting all of these double standards catering to u, its ridiculous.

so all businesses in white neighborhoods are supposed to give money or events back to white people?

they're doing YOU a service. where else are you going to buy smokes, liquor, gum/candy, etc. etc. and these small groceries deal with so much ghetto behavior its so fukked up from inner city brats.

even if a black owned those places they wouldn't be giving u shit. Its racism against other colors, thats what you're advocating but i swear there aren't more racist people than a lot of black people, but somehow they think its okay but go nuts if its against them. double standards every fukking where.

furthermore, ya'll ghetto MF'ers w/ that mentality are THE problem. Don't work hard, hate on those that do, aren't ambitious, just chilling hanging on corners expecting handouts pretending like people who start businesses that cater to your needs are stealing from you because they aren't giving u free shit. hating the government because they aren't giving you free shit. while the rest of the world are busting their ass to have what they have. constant fukking excuses for lazy mf'ers, but i swear thats a huge problem with the far left.

[dude77]

They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.

source ?

seems unlikely that this guy was the only black owner who had his business attacked ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SOwK6L5-mk

[Rameek]

My thoughts are that OJ Simpson was allowed to get away with murder as a result of the injustice surrounding Rodney King (who was a rampant piece of shit by the way).

My thoughts are also that black people are more racist than white people, in today's world.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[Akrazotile]

They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.


:facepalm


Clearly on your Marion Barry shit. In more ways than one.

[32jazz]

They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.

If you remember there were some simmering tensions because 13 year old Natarsha Hollins was shot in the back & killed not long before the riots(The Korean shooter was exonerated).


The real issue was the Police & the justice system however . Blacks & Hispanics had expressed frustration with the LAPD going back for decades.


The video of the King beating had the community saying 'see we busted you' , but even with the sickening video there was a NOT GUILTY verdict.




Although the L.A. Riots are considered a riot by Blacks around 56% of the arrests made during the Riots were Hispanics.

[32jazz]

I saw this video and was shocked.


What people ignore about the Reginald Denny beating are the Black people who risked there safety to save this man's life.


Several Black men & a Nurse put Denny in his truck . Although they could not drive this 18 or 21 speed truck they managed to get it into gear while the Nurse stopped his bleeding as they slowly made their way to the hospital.


The knuckleheads that attacked him got all of the press while no one remembers the people who saved Dennys life

[Godzuki]

What people ignore about the Reginald Denny beating are the Black people who risked there safety to save this man's life.


Several Black men & a Nurse put Denny in his truck . Although they could not drive this 18 or 21 speed truck they managed to get it into gear while the Nurse stopped his bleeding as they slowly made their way to the hospital.


The knuckleheads that attacked him got all of the press while no one remembers the people who saved Dennys life

most of us know there are many decent and good black people....

there are just a lot of really fukkkiing awful ones.

just like many black people do work hard, earn a honest living....

but there are a lot who do absolutely nothing and just whine, cry, and blame society and other races for all of their problems. Using history of generations past, treatment they never received themselves, to pretend like they have it so bad and so disadvantaged....meanwhile mf'ers come over here with nothing doing better than they do. Always excuses to be lazy do nothings.

sad thing is even the good, honest black people rarely will call them out.

[~primetime~]

I can't help but to think that maybe it is a good thing that people be terrified of the police.

Same way people are terrified of prisons, we let them go beyond the law...beyond fair treatment...even the guards will beat you. If prison was a safe haven no one would fear it.



Obviously it's unfair if only minorities have this fear...but I think it's probably beneficial to have the police viewed as some above the law power hungry a-holes that will fck you up if you mess around. Keeps people in check.

[PHILA]

"driving while black..."

Even the NBA MVP was pulled over and held at gunpoint once.



Wilt: Just Like Any Other 7-Foot Black Millionaire who Lives Next Door - Wilt Chamberlain (1973)

I had been living in New York during the season and in San Francisco during the off-season, and a flash fire destroyed my San Francisco apartment one day while I was in New York for a benefit game; when I got back to San Francisco, all that was left was one small metal box full of girls' phone numbers. (Thank God, some of them were winners!) About the same time, I got stopped by a cop in New York, and he damn near shot me. I'd bought a nightclub in Harlem several years earlier - Big Wilt's Small Paradise - and after I'd worked 18 hours a day one off-season, learning the business, I'd brought in a friend to manage the place for me. I always try to stop by when I'm in New York, and I was on my way back from there to my apartment, on Central Park West, when this cop started following me. He pulled me over, and said, "Let me see your license, boy."

I gave him the license, and asked him what the problem was.

"Be with you in a minute, boy," he said.

He kept calling me "boy," and I didn't like it much. I told him my name was on my driver's license, "and I'd suggest you use it."

This was just a few nights after the Watts riot, and cops everywhere were even more uptight than usual around blacks. He pulled his gun out of his holster, stuck it in the window about six inches from my head and cocked it. I said, "OK, mother-****er, you cocked that thing, you might as well pull the trigger." Then I started to get out of the car. Fortunately for me, the cop backed off. He pulled his gun away and apologized, and I snatched my license back and roared off, with him still standing there, holding his gun. It wasn't until I got home and got into bed that I realized how close I'd come to getting my head blown off.

[TheReal Kendall]

I honestly thought dude was still alive and well. Wasn't he on one of those celebrity rehab shows a few years back? I thought he got his life together after that.

I was young when the whole thing went down so I didn't really care but they really fvcked him up. I remember all he black comedians making jokes about the incident and the riots.

[MavsSuperFan]

Rodney King was a scumbag. He has prior run in with the law and he was drunk and going over 100 mph. He put other people in risk with his behavior and the other two passengers in the car that complied with the police officers were arrested immediately and did not face the same fate as King.

With that said, I am against authoritarians abusing their power and there was no need to beat him to the point he was on the verge of dying. I don't see how the 3 police officers were "not-guilty."
agreed.

King was wrong in a lot of ways. Cops went way too far and beat him far too much. The cops should have been found guilty. Rioters were criminals whose crimes punished people that in 99.99% of cases had nothing to do with the incident.


They didn't destroy their "own" stores. They were predominantly owned by Koreans. Koreans who did virtually nothing to recycle dollars back into the communities in which they profited from. They were part of the problem from the start economically and it really didn't make a difference to the communities after their stores were destroyed.
So maybe I am reading you statement wrong, but are you saying it was justified to attack the korean stores?

Last time i checked the koreans dont force anyone to shop in their stores. people that choose to do so are totally free not to. If a korean person wants to save every last penny he makes, after paying his taxes, and send it back to korea to take care of his family, what business is it of anyone elses?

I have used asian businesses before, grocery stores, restaurants, dry cleaners, etc. Not once have I had expectations for how they would use my money after they have earned it. In america once you pay your taxes the money is urs.

[Lebron23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8fw_rXzDVI

Every time I heard his name I remember this scene from this movie.

[MavsSuperFan]

Holy shit, they were ready.
not really in general a lot of asian owned businesses got ****ed up and a lot people had a large chunk of their savings destroyed.

Thats after the riots got under way and the asians realized that they were targets.

[MavsSuperFan]

First of all when Black people were getting profiled, assaulted and a worse by police it just never was taken seriously. Many people got railroaded by police and the justice system and the inequality of proper service from both.

"driving while black..." was a sentiment that most of the black community felt.

Rodney King became the videoed example of what most black people were going through in some form or fashion. That video became the voice of the community although Rodney King wasnt. He was a troubled man before and money compounded his own issues.

The riots and riots in general are self destructive to the residents and perpetrators of their own community but is not mutually exclusive to the black community. The resulting actions from the riots is inexcusable and unjustifiable.

Rodney King like mentioned before was the straw that broke the camels back.

To this day I react and respond during traffic stops or any interaction not to give the cops a reason to harm me or god forbid use deadly force. This doesnt matter the race of cop either.

So why not go smash up a police station? Why attack local korean businesses?

[Meticode]

not really in general a lot of asian owned businesses got ****ed up and a lot people had a large chunk of their savings destroyed.

Thats after the riots got under way and the asians realized that they were targets.
I know this, look at my post afterwards, but they were ready.

[Meticode]

I honestly thought dude was still alive and well. Wasn't he on one of those celebrity rehab shows a few years back? I thought he got his life together after that.
Yes he was on the rehab celebrity show, no he didn't get his life back together pretty much at any point seemingly. He was constantly dealing with alcohol, cocaine and PCP.

[97 bulls]

So why not go smash up a police station? Why attack local korean businesses?
Because about a month and a half before the Rodney King debacle, a kid named Natasha Harlens was shot in the back by a Korean store owner. And that was caught on tape. Granted. There was a skirmish. But Harlens was walking away. And the lady got probation.

So factor that you have two incidents of people are let go even though they were caught on tape. Blacks had had enough.

[97 bulls]

I also find it funny that people cant seem to understand why there was civil unrest, even though they admit that blacks were being wronged, but then look at an incident like the Boston Tea Party as patriotic.

[MavsSuperFan]

Because about a month and a half before the Rodney King debacle, a kid named Natasha Harlens was shot in the back by a Korean store owner. And that was caught on tape. Granted. There was a skirmish. But Harlens was walking away. And the lady got probation.

So factor that you have two incidents of people are let go even though they were caught on tape. Blacks had had enough.
So 1 specific korean shop owner kills a black girl. (I am unfamiliar with this event)
She gets away with killing the girl, so I assume that the girl was shot in process of robbing the store?

Im not familiar with the case, but I have to imagine there was a reason that a korean shop owner shoots a girl and doesn't go to jail. I assume it is due to being robbed. Correct me if I am wrong.

But lets for the sake of argument pretend that korean lady shot and killed a black girl for zero reason.

Does that make it ok to collectively punish all korean/asian store owners?
Come on thats rediculous. I wouldnt want all white people punished for white criminals and you wouldnt want all black people punished for black criminals.


I also find it funny that people cant seem to understand why there was civil unrest, even though they admit that blacks were being wronged, but then look at an incident like the Boston Tea Party as patriotic.

I get civil unrest. Eg. the montgomery bus boycotts

I dont get rioting. Rioting is not civil unrest. rioting is violence, property damage and theft.

Boston tea party specifically targeted the british east india company. A company with strong ties to the british government at the time.

In September and October 1773, seven ships carrying East India Company tea were sent to the colonies: four were bound for Boston, and one each for New York, Philadelphia, and Charleston.[37] In the ships were more than 2,000 chests containing nearly 600,000 pounds of tea


Riots are disorganized excuses to take stuff you want imo. Eg. if the rioters went after cops that were abusing them, I would have more respect for them. Instead the chose to target people too weak and unprepared to defend themselves, until they finally bought out shotguns and rifles.

[Godzuki]

So 1 specific korean shop owner kills a black girl. (I am unfamiliar with this event)
She gets away with killing the girl, so I assume that the girl was shot in process of robbing the store?

Im not familiar with the case, but I have to imagine there was a reason that a korean shop owner shoots a girl and doesn't go to jail. I assume it is due to being robbed. Correct me if I am wrong.

But lets for the sake of argument pretend that korean lady shot and killed a black girl for zero reason.

Does that make it ok to collectively punish all korean/asian store owners?
Come on thats rediculous. I wouldnt want all white people punished for white criminals and you wouldnt want all black people punished for black criminals.



I get civil unrest. Eg. the montgomery bus boycotts

I dont get rioting. Rioting is not civil unrest. rioting is violence, property damage and theft.

Boston tea party specifically targeted the british east india company. A company with strong ties to the british government at the time.



Riots are disorganized excuses to take stuff you want imo. Eg. if the rioters went after cops that were abusing them, I would have more respect for them. Instead the chose to target people too weak and unprepared to defend themselves, until they finally bought out shotguns and rifles.

she stole candy from her store, and probably was blunt about it like the M. Brown kid....and korean older lady close to grandmama age, who seemed very timid, probably shouldn't be using a gun but a lot of korean ladies her age run small convenience stores/delis...shot her.

its sad to me because she reminds me of a lot of older hard working korean ladies i've seen, that struggle to survive running very small businesses and really bust their ass....now she's probably serving time because some disrespecctful petty thief was stealing from her store blatantly, where she made a bad judgement call.

yes she's guilty but i swear there is something really wrong with allowing these ghetto mf'ers just to take shit from your store with nothing you can do, no matter how small it is.

i've seen what they go thru dealing with these ghetto people in the city who talk such strong slang u can barely understand wtf they're saying, and they're loud as fukk, and extremely rude, while just hanging out in front of their stores. Cops disperse them, they come back 30 minutes later hanging out again...and u know they're stealing shit constantly. its some awful shit to have to deal with but i'll just say it really makes you realize how fukked up some situations are.

[97 bulls]

she stole candy from her store, and probably was blunt about it like the M. Brown kid....and korean older lady close to grandmama age, who seemed very timid, probably shouldn't be using a gun but a lot of korean ladies her age run small convenience stores/delis...shot her.
Why not do some research before posting jackass. The woman accused her of stealing when she put the money on the counter. Its on video.


its sad to me because she reminds me of a lot of older hard working korean ladies i've seen, that struggle to survive running very small businesses and really bust their ass....now she's probably serving time because some disrespecctful petty thief was stealing from her store blatantly, where she made a bad judgement call.
The lady grabbed her backpack as she tried to walk out of the store. There was a struggle. Then Halens walked away and the timid old lady threw a stool at her. Harlins threw the orange juice at her (probably saying f it I dont need it that bad) and as she tried to walk out. The woman shot her.


yes she's guilty but i swear there is something really wrong with allowing these ghetto mf'ers just to take shit from your store with nothing you can do, no matter how small it is.
Again. Get your facts straight. The girl lived in Westchester. A very affluent part of LA. Very close to Marina del Rey. Kobe Bryant lives in Marina del Rey.


i've seen what they go thru dealing with these ghetto people in the city who talk such strong slang u can barely understand wtf they're saying, and they're loud as fukk, and extremely rude, while just hanging out in front of their stores. Cops disperse them, they come back 30 minutes later hanging out again...and u know they're stealing shit constantly. its some awful shit to have to deal with but i'll just say it really makes you realize how fukked up some situations are.
Then why do business in the community? They can just as easily close up shop and move somewhere else.

[Meticode]

A lot of great replies in this thread and discussion. Keep it going gentlemen!

[Godzuki]

Why not do some research before posting jackass. The woman accused her of stealing when she put the money on the counter. Its on video.


The lady grabbed her backpack as she tried to walk out of the store. There was a struggle. Then Halens walked away and the timid old lady threw a stool at her. Harlins threw the orange juice at her (probably saying f it I dont need it that bad) and as she tried to walk out. The woman shot her.


Again. Get your facts straight. The girl lived in Westchester. A very affluent part of LA. Very close to Marina del Rey. Kobe Bryant lives in Marina del Rey.


Then why do business in the community? They can just as easily close up shop and move somewhere else.


i was gonig off of memory, but u could be right about some things since i just wiki'd it, altho can't find the video....

for some reason tho i would've sworn she was stealing candy and was real disrespectful to the store owner lady about it.

[97 bulls]

So 1 specific korean shop owner kills a black girl. (I am unfamiliar with this event)
She gets away with killing the girl, so I assume that the girl was shot in process of robbing the store?
Well you assume wrong. Do some research. Korena store owners had a history of harassing the local kids that patronized their stores.


Im not familiar with the case, but I have to imagine there was a reason that a korean shop owner shoots a girl and doesn't go to jail. I assume it is due to being robbed. Correct me if I am wrong.
Exactly. And thats why blacks were pissed. She wasnt robbing the store.


But lets for the sake of argument pretend that korean lady shot and killed a black girl for zero reason.

Does that make it ok to collectively punish all korean/asian store owners?
No it doesnt. But as a black man. I gotta tell you. Its extremely frustrating when people like you feel we gotta just "take it" so to speak. Remmeber. The riots didnt happen until the "law" allowed to people to get away with crimes clearly caught on video. And dont think those are the exception to the rule. Blacks had been complaining police brutality and way Korean store owners had treated blacks.


Come on thats rediculous. I wouldnt want all white people punished for white criminals and you wouldnt want all black people punished for black criminals.
But I assume you make blanket statements about blacks in general. Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.



I get civil unrest. Eg. the montgomery bus boycotts

I dont get rioting. Rioting is not civil unrest. rioting is violence, property damage and theft.


Boston tea party specifically targeted the british east india company. A company with strong ties to the british government at the time.
How does this make it ok? Was it unrest? Against people that were just doing their job? Like the Koreans or not?



Riots are disorganized excuses to take stuff you want imo. Eg. if the rioters went after cops that were abusing them, I would have more respect for them. Instead the chose to target people too weak and unprepared to defend themselves, until they finally bought out shotguns and rifles.
Im not defending the riots. They were wrong. But I do understand the frustration.

[97 bulls]

i was gonig off of memory, but u could be right about some things since i just wiki'd it, altho can't find the video....

for some reason tho i would've sworn she was stealing candy and was real disrespectful to the store owner lady about it.
I understand. I apologize for calling you a jackass. This post leads me to believe that while we may disagree. You are sincere.

[Godzuki]

Well you assume wrong. Do some research. Korena store owners had a history of harassing the local kids that patronized their stores.


Exactly. And thats why blacks were pissed. She wasnt robbing the store.


No it doesnt. But as a black man. I gotta tell you. Its extremely frustrating when people like you feel we gotta just "take it" so to speak. Remmeber. The riots didnt happen until the "law" allowed to people to get away with crimes clearly caught on video. And dont think those are the exception to the rule. Blacks had been complaining police brutality and way Korean store owners had treated blacks.


But I assume you make blanket statements about blacks in general. Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.



I get civil unrest. Eg. the montgomery bus boycotts

I dont get rioting. Rioting is not civil unrest. rioting is violence, property damage and theft.


How does this make it ok? Was it unrest? Against people that were just doing their job? Like the Koreans or not?



Im not defending the riots. They were wrong. But I do understand the frustration.


go fukk yourself, korean store owners have been conditioned to think the worst of u ghetto mf'ers. theres a difference between a respectable black person and the world star hip hop ghetto mf'ers we've all seen a thousand times over in the inner city. when u have to deal with these people every fukkin day there is a reason they're on guard.

take some accountability. some people work hard as fukk to make a living while others just abuse them daily, knowing they can get away with it.

like i said i've seen that shit firsthand, its some really fukked up shit they have to deal with where people are so ghetto loud, rude, and talk in slang normal people have no idea wtf they're saying and they're the ONLY people on the face of this earth that act that way.

llike i said go fukk yourself, when u work hard working early in the morning to late night strugglign while mf'ers are stealing petty shit from u constantly, and yelling racist shit in your store, and laffing, its as fukked up a situation i've seen anyone having to deal with. i've lived in a ghetto area for litle while that had a small korean owned convenience store i'd stop by after playing some bball, and i can't emphasize how fukkin awful ghetto mf'ers are

[Godzuki]

I understand. I apologize for calling you a jackass. This post leads me to believe that while we may disagree. You are sincere.


honestly i've seen shit firsthand. it makes me sympathetic. i couldn't run a business that way.

i read a lot, my memory can get mixed up, but i swear there is really something wrong with a ton of inner city black people who are as uncouth as they come.

its a completely different breed of black people that i know and grew up with, but again World Star Hip Hop tells a lot.

i understand what i just said makes your post now obsolete probably, but you're at least right that i'm sincere in what i'm saying.

[97 bulls]

go fukk yourself, korean store owners have been conditioned to think the worst of u ghetto mf'ers. theres a difference between a respectable black person and the world star hip hop ghetto mf'ers we've all seen a thousand times over in the inner city. when u have to deal with these people every fukkin day there is a reason they're on guard.
If its that bad then why do business in the "ghetto".


take some accountability. some people work hard as fukk to make a living while others just abuse them daily, knowing they can get away with it.
I understand. Im not saying that they dont get things stolen from their store. Unfortunately. Thats a part of business. Most businesses budget for theft.


like i said i've seen that shit firsthand, its some really fukked up shit they have to deal with where people are so ghetto loud, rude, and talk in slang normal people have no idea wtf they're saying and they're the ONLY people on the face of this earth that act that way.
Get over yourself. Theres ghettos all over the world. Not just where Koreans do business in US ghettos.


Like i said go fukk yourself, when u work hard working early in the morning to late night strugglign while mf'ers are stealing petty shit from u constantly, and yelling racist shit in your store, and laffing, its as fukked up a situation i've seen anyone having to deal with. i've lived in a ghetto area for litle while that had a small korean owned convenience store i'd stop by after playing some bball, and i can't emphasize how fukkin awful ghetto mf'ers are
Think about this bro. If the thugs do nothing but steal from these people, why or how are they still in business? The occasional white person that wanders in for directions? How are they making money? Youre greatly exaggerating your stance.

[Godzuki]

If its that bad then why do business in the "ghetto".


I understand. Im not saying that they dont get things stolen from their store. Unfortunately. Thats a part of business. Most businesses budget for theft.


Get over yourself. Theres ghettos all over the world. Not just where Koreans do business in US ghettos.


Think about this bro. If the thugs do nothing but steal from these people, why or how are they still in business? The occasional white person that wanders in for directions? How are they making money? Youre greatly exaggerating your stance.


you'd be surprised at how little or negaive some business's make. if anything its always sort of funny to me how much people think businesses make just for running a business. Taxes rape the shit out of small businesses for the record..

and its not easy to just relocate to another area. some leases are cheap, there is a lot of set up costs, advertising and getting established with a particular address, etc. etc. it isn't as ez as just moving....even then i'm not saying they don't make money, they very well could be. a lot of koreans have money i've seen but i've seen what they deal with regarding inner city people and its just awful.

maybe its worht it to them since ignorance is bliss, or rather doing decently is a boon. but man i personally could not deal with that shit on a daily basis. lucky i'm in a nice decent middle class area.

[MavsSuperFan]

Well you assume wrong. Do some research. Korena store owners had a history of harassing the local kids that patronized their stores.


Exactly. And thats why blacks were pissed. She wasnt robbing the store.


No it doesnt. But as a black man. I gotta tell you. Its extremely frustrating when people like you feel we gotta just "take it" so to speak. Remmeber. The riots didnt happen until the "law" allowed to people to get away with crimes clearly caught on video. And dont think those are the exception to the rule. Blacks had been complaining police brutality and way Korean store owners had treated blacks.


But I assume you make blanket statements about blacks in general. Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.



I get civil unrest. Eg. the montgomery bus boycotts

I dont get rioting. Rioting is not civil unrest. rioting is violence, property damage and theft.


How does this make it ok? Was it unrest? Against people that were just doing their job? Like the Koreans or not?



Im not defending the riots. They were wrong. But I do understand the frustration.


Well you assume wrong. Do some research. Korena store owners had a history of harassing the local kids that patronized their stores.


Exactly. And thats why blacks were pissed. She wasnt robbing the store.

Alright fair enough, I have seen white and asian store owns follow around black males that enter their stores. Personally never had it happen to me, and while I dont think I would be offended perhaps im not sensitive to this as I have never experienced it.

Edit: you know what after thinking about it for a bit, it would bother me. I dont like be falsely accused. i take that statement back


No it doesnt. But as a black man. I gotta tell you. Its extremely frustrating when people like you feel we gotta just "take it" so to speak. Remmeber. The riots didnt happen until the "law" allowed to people to get away with crimes clearly caught on video. And dont think those are the exception to the rule. Blacks had been complaining police brutality and way Korean store owners had treated blacks.

Where are you getting that? I have never said that. I expressly gave an example of civil unrest that black people did that I greatly respect. Eg the montgomery bus boycott. It was non-violent and targeted a specific group that wronged blacks.

If you take my anti rioting stance as asking black people to "take it". than I guess I will counter that rioting isnt hurting the people that is wronging you.

Eg. if a co-worker or superior bully me at work, it is wrong of me to go home and beat my GF because I am angry.

Rioting imo is never understandable.


But I assume you make blanket statements about blacks in general. Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.

Why would you assume that. I dont. everybody is an individual. I judge people based on their actions not the actions of people in their related demographic group. Eg. I would hate to be judged based on the actions of the aurora theater shooter, I wouldnt do that to someone else.


Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.
I have gotten into debates with atiozitile (starface) about some stuff along those lines. dont remember the specifics but he considers me (paraphrasing him)"liberal, weak, effeminate, white nerd progressive sucking up to blacks for social approval" or something along those lines.

Anyways most of the people that say stuff like that atiozitle, dude77, tom tucker, raymone, etc are pretty blatantly trolling and there is no real point in engaging them.


How does this make it ok? Was it unrest? Against people that were just doing their job? Like the Koreans or not?
Dumping the tea of the the british east india company was directly impacting the pocketbooks of the powerful aristocrats that made up the british house of lords. many influential and politically powerful british lords held stock in the british east india company. Destroying their tea directly affected them. it was targeted. rioting is untargeted.


The company received a Royal Charter from Queen Elizabeth in 1600,[4] making it the oldest among several similarly formed European East India Companies. Wealthy merchants and aristocrats owned the Company's shares.[5] The government owned no shares and had only indirect control. The company eventually came to rule large areas of India with its own private armies, exercising military power and assuming administrative functions.
it was a proto crown corporation.


Im not defending the riots. They were wrong. But I do understand the frustration
Once again its like me being pissed about something at work and beating my GF. even if my grip at work is legitimate the people I am taking it out on are not.

[ThePhantomCreep]

If you remember there were some simmering tensions because 13 year old Natarsha Hollins was shot in the back & killed not long before the riots(The Korean shooter was exonerated).


The real issue was the Police & the justice system however . Blacks & Hispanics had expressed frustration with the LAPD going back for decades.


The video of the King beating had the community saying 'see we busted you' , but even with the sickening video there was a NOT GUILTY verdict.




Although the L.A. Riots are considered a riot by Blacks around 56% of the arrests made during the Riots were Hispanics.

The Korean owner was not exonerated, she was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter (she shot Latasha as she had her backed turned). It was the judge who gave her the most ridiculous slap on the wrist in history (5 months probation, $500 fine), which brought tensions to a boiling point.

[NumberSix]

Or I've never seen you check a person in this forum basically saying all blacks are criminals.
Not ALL of them are criminals, but most of them are... And all it takes is most of them.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Not ALL of them are criminals, but most of them are... And all it takes is most of them.

Are you claiming that at least 51% of black people have been convicted of crimes?

To me, the word "most" implies majority or at least more than half. I would love to see statistics proving that more than 50% of black people have been convicted of crimes thus making them criminals.

[NumberSix]

Are you claiming that at least 51% of black people have been convicted of crimes?

To me, the word "most" implies majority or at least more than half. I would love to see statistics proving that more than 50% of black people have been convicted of crimes thus making them criminals.
It's a South Park joke.

[Godzuki]

Are you claiming that at least 51% of black people have been convicted of crimes?

To me, the word "most" implies majority or at least more than half. I would love to see statistics proving that more than 50% of black people have been convicted of crimes thus making them criminals.


i'd say black people get generalized for a reason, and this pretense that every race is equal to commit crimes is laffable politically correct stupidity.

altho its pretty easy to tell most honest black people from the ghetto ones. but this shit is common sense, its just ya'll mf'ers got people so on edge about calling u bitches out due to double standards and guilt trips, and the race card, our society is full of nonsense lying/BS.

and i love how the sorry mf'ers here throwing the race card around take no accountability for what their people are doing, just pretending everyone is racist...wonder why u stupid fukks.

[32jazz]

The Korean owner was not exonerated, she was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter (she shot Latasha as she had her backed turned). It was the judge who gave her the most ridiculous slap on the wrist in history (5 months probation, $500 fine), which brought tensions to a boiling point.

Thanks for correcting me as I was going simply off a vague memory of that case. I even got her name & age wrong (Actually Latasha Harlins/15).

The grainy video is on YouTube "Latasha Harlins- Miscarriage of Justice"

. Harlins died with the 2 dollars in her hand which she had continually attempted to pay the crazy old lady who was falsely accusing her of stealing & attacked the 15 year old girl.


5 years probation for shooting someone in the back of the head on video & the video proof of the King beating (Cops were exonerated initially). Those cases plus personal experiences just set people off.

[32jazz]

Riots are disorganized excuses to take stuff you want imo. Eg. if the rioters went after cops that were abusing them, I would have more respect for them. Instead the chose to target people too weak and unprepared to defend themselves, until they finally bought out shotguns and rifles.


Like Cops who regularly target unarmed citizens? ( The entire justice system was the issue as there was no rioting after the videos of Harlins death & Kings beating were released. But distrust of the entire system after those blatant miscarriages.)

Matter of facts Cops were targeted during the L.A. Riots & they put their put their tails between their legs & hunkered down in police stations. They had figured from riots of the past that their lives were more important than property that could be replaced. Most looters are unarmed anyway & are simply saying that if Cops nor Judges have to respect laws why should we?

After cops were essentially chased from South Central L.A. For several days a division of Marines & National Guardsmen came in to restore order.


No one is saying that rioting is right & one does lose the moral high ground(for the most part) when Civil disobedience turns into Civil unrest.

[32jazz]

i'd say black people get generalized for a reason, and this pretense that every race is equal




The absolute deadliest riots in U.S history were commited by White Americans not minorities. If you look up the history of riots in America you will see that Whites are responsible for many of the deadliest/costliest riots/unrest & it seems minorities unfortunately learned from the best.

Fortunately for Whites 'White Privilege" keeps the entire race of Whites from being responsible for the actions of some unlike 45 million Black Americans who seem to be responsible for only the negative behavior(not the positive) of pockets of a small minority of all Blacks.


The L.A. Riots weren't just about Blacks since over 56% of the the arrested parties were Hispanics . The numbers contradict your simplistic & racist attacks on Blacks when the L.A. Riots were a far more complex issue.

[dude77]

97 bulls talking about if koreans have a problem with their businesses, they can move .. then you turn around and start whining about blacks being mistreated in korean businesses .. then you can go patronize other business right ? be consistent

[dude77]

The absolute deadliest riots in U.S history were commited by White Americans not minorities. If you look up the history of riots in America you will see that Whites are responsible for many of the deadliest/costliest riots/unrest & it seems minorities unfortunately learned from the best.

Fortunately for Whites 'White Privilege" keeps the entire race of Whites from being responsible for the actions of some unlike 45 million Black Americans who seem to be responsible for only the negative behavior(not the positive) of pockets of a small minority of all Blacks.


The L.A. Riots weren't just about Blacks since over 56% of the the arrested parties were Hispanics . The numbers contradict your simplistic & racist attacks on Blacks when the L.A. Riots were a far more complex issue.

^^ so much deflecting .. no accountability whatsoever .. ever .. always blaming their problems ON SOMETHING/SOMEONE ELSE ..

we're doing something wrong ? = sorry, not our fault :points somewhere else:: .. like fkn children ..

own up to what's wrong like a fkn man ..

men don't point fingers .. men just take care of business .. pointing fingers and drama are what women do ...

I swear I've never seen a black dude on here just say 'yeah you're right we have problems .. we gotta fix it' .. it's always 'whitey's fault .. someone else's fault .. we didn't do nutin man .. not our fault wa wa' .. pathetic ..

black americans have been thoroughly indoctrinated and programmed into thinking like VICTIMS .. just look at all these occurrences .. all these stupid cnn specials pampering and coddling blacks .. people treating you in a condescending fashion and looking at you like children .. how can you feel comfortable in your skin with that shit ?

[GOBB]

most of us know there are many decent and good black people....

there are just a lot of really fukkkiing awful ones.

just like many black people do work hard, earn a honest living....

but there are a lot who do absolutely nothing and just whine, cry, and blame society and other races for all of their problems. Using history of generations past, treatment they never received themselves, to pretend like they have it so bad and so disadvantaged....meanwhile mf'ers come over here with nothing doing better than they do. Always excuses to be lazy do nothings.

Most of you know? You can't tell by the nonsense you spew so kill the noise with the most of us know crap. That reads like a person who hates a race saying their best friend is of that race. Total bullshit.

Then you claim while there are decent, good black folks there are A LOT OF AWFUL ONES. So you pretty much make his point as you like the media highlight the bad, ignore the good but pretend to acknowledge the good. You didn't even know blacks helped Reginald Deny. But to hear you tell it most of us know... :rolleyes:


sad thing is even the good, honest black people rarely will call them out.

Based on what exactly? Baseless ass post right here. Typical person who was emotionally and mentally scared by blacks and their whole perception is warped.

[tomSR.]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

:mad: :mad: :banghead: :( ........Reginald Oliver Denny (born January 22, 1956), 36 years old at the time, was a construction dump truck driver. On the first day of the rioting, Denny was attacked by four black men, pulled from his 1992 Kenworth T800 Tandem Axle Dump Truck and brutally beaten, sustaining serious head trauma and other injuries. As a result of the injuries he suffered during the attacks, Denny had to undergo years of rehabilitative therapy, and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damaged.[1]
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got a worse fate then king

[GOBB]

He was dumb for getting out the truck

[Godzuki]

Most of you know? You can't tell by the nonsense you spew so kill the noise with the most of us know crap. That reads like a person who hates a race saying their best friend is of that race. Total bullshit.

Then you claim while there are decent, good black folks there are A LOT OF AWFUL ONES. So you pretty much make his point as you like the media highlight the bad, ignore the good but pretend to acknowledge the good. You didn't even know blacks helped Reginald Deny. But to hear you tell it most of us know... :rolleyes:



Based on what exactly? Baseless ass post right here. Typical person who was emotionally and mentally scared by blacks and their whole perception is warped.


based on none of u mf'ers playign the racist card acknowledging how fukked up the riots wrecking innocent peoples business's are....based on none of u mf'ers who were all Mike Brown acknowledging the video of him being a straight up thug vs saint days before which changes a fukkin LOT. None of u mf'ers own up to shit, all u fukking do is cry about how all cops are your enemies, how they are as bad as the thugs and drug dealers, and generalize all of them. You cry about how the white/azn man keeps u down. You cry about how slavery from another generation you had ZERO experience through is still holding u down. The amount of excuses is absurd :facepalm

Meanwhile most of them mf'ers who say that shit aren't going anywhere. Why? Because ALL THEY DO is make excuses to sit on their ass hanging on corners, sitting in playign video games, smoking weed, etc. etc. and crying about all of this shit while others are busting their ass to make a living and do better for themselves.

Like i said there are good, hard working black people, who knows? maybe u are too GOBBs i know you are/were a mailman, respectable job despite my clowning...but just like your shit now, you don't call them out and you KNOW there are a lot of ghetto black people who are all over World Star Hip Hop videos acting like animals, and so ghetto they've created their own sub species.

Call me racist i don't give a fukk...a lot of u mf'ers are way more racist i.e. pro black anti everyone else than i am. I'm just not going to coddle you bitches like white people do, pretending like they owe you forever and play to your double standards. A lot of u cry babies can go fukk yourselves. You have as fair shot as many to succeed in today's America.

[Godzuki]

He was dumb for getting out the truck


never owning up, how about the mf'ers that beat him for being white?

backwards thinking nikka :facepalm

[Godzuki]

The absolute deadliest riots in U.S history were commited by White Americans not minorities. If you look up the history of riots in America you will see that Whites are responsible for many of the deadliest/costliest riots/unrest & it seems minorities unfortunately learned from the best.

Fortunately for Whites 'White Privilege" keeps the entire race of Whites from being responsible for the actions of some unlike 45 million Black Americans who seem to be responsible for only the negative behavior(not the positive) of pockets of a small minority of all Blacks.


The L.A. Riots weren't just about Blacks since over 56% of the the arrested parties were Hispanics . The numbers contradict your simplistic & racist attacks on Blacks when the L.A. Riots were a far more complex issue.


When people use history, they seem to rarely account for how different the world was at different points. There is so much wrong with most of their history justifications because the world was so different that it changes their whole example significantly. For example white people dominated American society 80~ years ago, black people were oppressed. That changes the scope of a riot back then in comparison to today. Just like the Cold War changes all of the 'blame the US' for their sabotaging or getting involved in world affairs during the Communism vs Democracy battle.

Anyways i prefer stuff in my lifetime since its much more relevant to today and the now. For example the LA Riots which was ridiculous, or today's riots which are unacceptable. We all know how ghetto people are these days and its funny how none of you will acknowledge that factual reality despite watching hundreds of World Star hip hop videos with the rest of us here.

[longtime lurker]

Godzuki is probably one of those socially awkward dudes that got punked by a black guy once and now dreams of shooting up black people while playing call of duty. The whole all black people are bad except for a few argument is getting tiresome

[GOBB]

Godzuki is Asian and he has had bad experiences with black people which warped his perception of them. It's sad. I have had a coworker who were Asian that spoke bad of black people, made racist remarks so I asked them their issue. They finally broke down citing growing up getting picked on, chased home, beat up by blacks. How they mocked him the way they talked. And from that point had a dislike for black people.

He's the exact same way. He can deny it all he wants.


never owning up, how about the mf'ers that beat him for being white?

backwards thinking nikka :facepalm

The guys who beat him up are scum bags. Regardless of race. Scum like the MMA idiot who beat up that female (people defend him because she was a porn star). But he was dumb for getting out the truck. No smart person regardless of race or ethnicity should have got out in that situation. You can spin it all you want.

[Godzuki]

see, i can play the same game.

y'all are just feel sorry for yourself nikka's going nowhere in life. lifes treated you bad so you blame white or azn people. u blame the government or police. u blame slavery even tho it never held YOU down. u hang out on corners, your porch all day, and pretend World Star Hip Hop is all fake.

you pretend the black guys in the news every day robbing and stealing from people is a conspiracy. you pretend anyone that points that FACT out which obviously isn't only black people but predominantly black people, is a racist...even tho its OBVIOUS as fukk.

U pretend anyone that points out the ghetto issues where they don't trust police so they don't call cops or 'snitch' on the thugs and drug dealers is a racist. then they complain that the police don't do anything for them. they complain how they get pulled over in bad neighborhoods based on racial profilinig even tho its mostly ghetto black people in those areas causing trouble. U all LOOOOVE playing the race card even tho you're more racist than most white people these days.

U can make up what u want about me....been there with ISH against this whole forum making up shit about me. now its pretty evident what i do, while a lot of u mf'ers are very questionable in what u do....and considering how much u cry about the man, being held down, blaming white people and never owning up to anything ghetto black people do, my guess is ya'll are some sorry ghetto bums, which is why u take so much offense to me calling out the ghetto black people.

Sorry if the truth hurts coons :pimp:

[Godzuki]

Godzuki is Asian and he has had bad experiences with black people which warped his perception of them. It's sad. I have had a coworker who were Asian that spoke bad of black people, made racist remarks so I asked them their issue. They finally broke down citing growing up getting picked on, chased home, beat up by blacks. How they mocked him the way they talked. And from that point had a dislike for black people.

He's the exact same way. He can deny it all he wants.



The guys who beat him up are scum bags. Regardless of race. Scum like the MMA idiot who beat up that female (people defend him because she was a porn star). But he was dumb for getting out the truck. No smart person regardless of race or ethnicity should have got out in that situation. You can spin it all you want.


its sort of ridiculous when u say something like "he shouldn't have gotten out of the truck" when the whole fukked up problem is ghetto people rioting and beating up white people.

the MAIN problem was he was white. point that shit out.

[GOBB]

its sort of ridiculous when u say something like "he shouldn't have gotten out of the truck" when the whole fukked up problem is ghetto people rioting and beating up white people.

the MAIN problem was he was white. point that shit out.

There is a riot, there are idiots vandalizing, looting and you think it's ridiculous for me saying he was stupid to get out of that environment in a big rig? :roll:

Jesus Christ you couldn't reach any further kid. Pretty sad. I wouldn't walk thru the projects late night and not expect the chances of me getting robbed. It's ridiculous to call myself stupid walking thru the projects and getting robved.
Your logic.

You're not bright at all. Did you finish high school or nah? You went I a predominantly black school so you were afraid and never got your diploma

[Godzuki]

There is a riot, there are idiots vandalizing, looting and you think it's ridiculous for me saying he was stupid to get out of that environment in a big rig? :roll:

Jesus Christ you couldn't reach any further kid. Pretty sad. I wouldn't walk thru the projects late night and not expect the chances of me getting robbed. It's ridiculous to call myself stupid walking thru the projects and getting robved.
Your logic.

You're not bright at all. Did you finish high school or nah? You went I a predominantly black school so you were afraid and never got your diploma


u must be talking about yourself mailman since mailmen jobs- licking envelope and stuffing them into boxes skills aren't college courses :oldlol:

i'm faaar more educated than u are and its rather obvious here. its always funny to me how people here are always trying to attack my IQ or my job when those are the most distinguishable things about me :cheers:

anyways its so much easier to look at the whole picture in hindsight instead of while its going on...where you're a truck driver whose job is to drive all over the fukkin place delivering shit....but he's not supposed to get out of his truck, right? if only he had hindsight being 20/20 to know that like u do....

[GOBB]

u must be talking about yourself mailman since mailmen jobs- licking envelope and stuffing them into boxes skills aren't college courses :oldlol:

i'm faaar more educated than u are and its rather obvious here. its always funny to me how people here are always trying to attack my IQ or my job when those are the most distinguishable things about me :cheers:

anyways its so much easier to look at the whole picture in hindsight instead of while its going on...where you're a truck driver whose job is to drive all over the fukkin place delivering shit....but he's not supposed to get out of his truck, right? if only he had hindsight being 20/20 to know that like u do....


You're far more educated yet you think mail carriers lick envelopes. :roll:

You're not educated in the least. Proof of that is not only your arguments here but the fact you are obsessed with this message board. Your offline life sucks.

And what are you talking about! See this is how I know your not educated. Reginald deny occupation as a truck driver has zero to do with him getting out at they intersection. He knew what was going down. Stay in truck, foot on gas. Any accidents? You feared for your life. End of story. He had no business getting out of that truck to confront gang bangers and hoodlums. You wouldn't have. Your afraid of black people. :roll:

[97 bulls]

97 bulls talking about if koreans have a problem with their businesses, they can move .. then you turn around and start whining about blacks being mistreated in korean businesses .. then you can go patronize other business right ? be consistent
I agree. I never stated different. As a black man I dont shop at stores like that.

I just think that the whole black people steal is overblown. ALL BUSINESSES HAVE SOME FORM OF THEFT. If it was that bad, why do they keep opening up businesses in black neighborhoods?

[32jazz]

When people use history, they seem to rarely account for how different the world was at different points. There is so much wrong with most of their history justifications because the world was so different that it changes their whole example significantly. For example white people dominated American society 80~ years ago, black people were oppressed. That changes the scope of a riot back then in comparison to today.

Anyways i prefer stuff in my lifetime since its much more relevant to today and the now. For example the LA Riots which was ridiculous, or today's riots which are unacceptable.

"White people dominated society 80 years ago" you say? Well that makes White Rioting ,which was far more deadly/costly, even more egregious . The system was created by ,control by, dominated by & gave Whites a huge advantage, but they go to the streets with violence, vandalism, looting & general terror?

Usually the 'oppressed' engage in civil unrest because the system isn't working for them , but the system was so much slanted towards Whites there was little reason to go to the streets . Asians & Blacks usually ended up on the wrong side of these riots. (Several White riots were even called the 'Chinese massacres' & were far more violent deadly /costly than anything that Blacks & Hispanics did to a few Korean shops. Most small businesses ruined were probably Hispanic owned however).


I see you fail to acknowledge the numbers ranging from 56%-59% of the arrested Rodney 'King rioters' were Hispanic although South Central was still majority Black in 1992. Because then you can't simply go on your personal vendetta against Blacks & have to admit that the L.A. Riots were a lot more complex /nuanced than you understand or will likely admit.


Many people here don't remember the L.A riots as well as most Americans under 30 years old . The L.A. Riots are 'history' as well so why bring it up? How old are you?




I'm not gonna even bother discussing the drunken sports championship riots ,but I remember the Seattle riots (mostly Whites) of 1999(your lifetime). About 4 days of vandalism , clashes with police ,firebombing of businesses,etc.... with a state of emergency called & the National Guard called in to restore order.
There was even a movie "Battle in Seattle"(must have Been named by Don King).

I must admit I get a kick out of a little Civil unrest sometimes (from the safety of my sofa/tv) & to call what transpired in Ferguson as 'riots' is offensive to the true riots of history. A few dozen knuckleheads burning & looting a couple Quickie Marts when 99% of the protesters were peaceful shows your agenda. Police could have easily isolated these knuckleheads instead of preparing for a non existant war with peaceful protestors.



Hell the "Joe Paterno Pedophile Riots" of 2011 were more frightening/disturbing than what happened in Ferguson ,so far.

White riots have been the deadliest in history & Blacks seem to have figured out civil unrest from the best(Whites) & were fairly late to the concept if riots(until the 1960's).

[Godzuki]

You're far more educated yet you think mail carriers lick envelopes. :roll:

You're not educated in the least. Proof of that is not only your arguments here but the fact you are obsessed with this message board. Your offline life sucks.

And what are you talking about! See this is how I know your not educated. Reginald deny occupation as a truck driver has zero to do with him getting out at they intersection. He knew what was going down. Stay in truck, foot on gas. Any accidents? You feared for your life. End of story. He had no business getting out of that truck to confront gang bangers and hoodlums. You wouldn't have. Your afraid of black people. :roll:


lmao i haven't even been here for a good year and a half at least, borderline 2 years~ while you've been here the whole time i'd assume.

even then i've come to the realization i love ISH. i have a lot of shared interests with a lot of people here, way more than most forums. movies, current events, etc, etc while the kpop forum i was into for awhile altho that kick is sort of over, are filled with the dumbest girls you'll ever come across in life. it just gave me a whole new perspective for what ISH OT brings....and thats the truth. i actually appreciate this place these days much more than days past since ignorance was bliss~ before.

idc if a mailman who i clown and make insecure about what u do vs what u really might do thinks i'm intelligent or not. i just know what i bring, correct, and throw out there which i'm very secure about being more intelligent than a ;lot of u unread mf'ers. u can hate me for being blunt but thats me and ALWAYS been me. even 3~ years ago was me....say what u want but i stay true to myself.

hate me all u want for hurting your excuse ridden views on society but i stand by it all, and i AT LEAST give explanations and rationale none of u can ever disprove to support it, go figure :pimp:

[Godzuki]

"White people dominated society 80 years ago" you say? Well that makes White Rioting ,which was far more deadly/costly, even more egregious . The system was created by ,control by, dominated by & gave Whites a huge advantage, but they go to the streets with violence, vandalism, looting & general terror?

Usually the 'oppressed' engage in civil unrest because the system isn't working for them , but the system was so much slanted towards Whites there was little reason to go to the streets . Asians & Blacks usually ended up on the wrong side of these riots. (Several White riots were even called the 'Chinese massacres' & were far more violent deadly /costly than anything that Blacks & Hispanics did to a few Korean shops. Most small businesses ruined were probably Hispanic owned however).


I see you fail to acknowledge the numbers ranging from 56%-59% of the arrested Rodney 'King rioters' were Hispanic although South Central was still majority Black in 1992. Because then you can't simply go on your personal vendetta against Blacks & have to admit that the L.A. Riots were a lot more complex /nuanced than you understand or will likely admit.


Many people here don't remember the L.A riots as well as most Americans under 30 years old . The L.A. Riots are 'history' as well so why bring it up? How old are you?




I'm not gonna even bother discussing the drunken sports championship riots ,but I remember the Seattle riots (mostly Whites) of 1999(your lifetime). About 4 days of vandalism , clashes with police ,firebombing of businesses,etc.... with a state of emergency called & the National Guard called in to restore order.
There was even a movie "Battle in Seattle"(must have Been named by Don King).

I must admit I get a kick out of a little Civil unrest sometimes (from the safety of my sofa/tv) & to call what transpired in Ferguson as 'riots' is offensive to the true riots of history. A few dozen knuckleheads burning & looting a couple Quickie Marts when 99% of the protesters were peaceful shows your agenda. Police could have easily isolated these knuckleheads instead of preparing for a non existant war with peaceful protestors.



Hell the "Joe Paterno Pedophile Riots" of 2011 were more frightening/disturbing than what happened in Ferguson ,so far.

White riots have been the deadliest in history & Blacks seem to have figured out civil unrest from the best(Whites) & were fairly late to the concept if riots(until the 1960's).


LA riots were in the 80's i believe, late 80's, not very long ago and i believe post cold war era...they are still very relevant and fresh in peoples minds today.

when has the last riot been in America? these ferguson riots which none are owning up to being premature which is another issue i have, is something we should be focused on, not your history justifications to excuse THIS riot.

i mean lets talk about the now. why do people here always need to reach back in history to make current events justifiable when they're so inapplicable? to me thats just looking for excuses~

i just wish people would own up instead of always reaching for a excuse, blaming someone else, etc. but i swear they NEVER do....

[97 bulls]

honestly i've seen shit firsthand. it makes me sympathetic. i couldn't run a business that way.

i read a lot, my memory can get mixed up, but i swear there is really something wrong with a ton of inner city black people who are as uncouth as they come.

its a completely different breed of black people that i know and grew up with, but again World Star Hip Hop tells a lot.
I understand your point. I honestly dont like "niggass" either. They make us look bad. But why do all blacks have to take the blame for the actions of a few. Especially when no other race really takes the brunt "as a whole" for an action of one person.


I understand what i just said makes your post now obsolete probably, but you're at least right that i'm sincere in what i'm saying.
Lol. Nothing you said makes you any less sincere. I just take exception to the clear agenda and double standard.

[Godzuki]

I understand your point. I honestly dont like "niggass" either. They make us look bad. But why do all blacks have to take the blame for the actions of a few. Especially when no other race really takes the brunt "as a whole" for an action of one person.


Lol. Nothing you said makes you any less sincere. I just take exception to the clear agenda and double standard.


all i wanted from them is acknowledgement of the 'niggass' like u called them but all they do is play the race card or make excuses like its everyone elses fault.

read thru this thread, there are a good 3-4~ people at least who won't acknowledge any issues with ghetto black people and just blame police, white/azn's businesses, etc....they won't even acknowledge the Mike Brown video changing anything.

for the record my favorite comedians/athletes are black people, more than half my friends are black, i've had 2 black roommates for 2~ years and me the azn where we lived large....but i'm a racist lol. sure. thats why i'll never be insecure about that shit, or cater to their guilt trip race card plays :pimp:

pls point out my double standards since i'm sure i can point out a plethora with the black/african americans today in America...

[32jazz]

The LAPD is one of the most corrupt, criminal police departments in the US. There's a feeling of powerlessness that minorities feel here, since cops fvck with the ALL THE TIME. Rodney King was a scumbag, but he didn't deserve to get beat the way he did, and it was disgusting that the officers got off. The riots were disgusting, but it's not like there wasn't a massive build up to something like this happening.

After the riots didn't the LAPD make a huge overhaul & wholesale changes? Maybe it's not perfect ,but as an outsider hasn't the LAPD improved at least since 1992?



I know internal investigation of police brutally have supposedly changed to an independent outside agency, heads rolled & the LAPD intentionally tried to hire a more diverse work force.


The Riots were ugly ,but many of the grievances were addressed & hasn't the business climate improved ?

[MavsSuperFan]

Like Cops who regularly target unarmed citizens? ( The entire justice system was the issue as there was no rioting after the videos of Harlins death & Kings beating were released. But distrust of the entire system after those blatant miscarriages.)

Matter of facts Cops were targeted during the L.A. Riots & they put their put their tails between their legs & hunkered down in police stations. They had figured from riots of the past that their lives were more important than property that could be replaced. Most looters are unarmed anyway & are simply saying that if Cops nor Judges have to respect laws why should we?

After cops were essentially chased from South Central L.A. For several days a division of Marines & National Guardsmen came in to restore order.


No one is saying that rioting is right & one does lose the moral high ground(for the most part) when Civil disobedience turns into Civil unrest.
the vast majority of the victims of violence were not cops
the stores that were looted actually helped the cops.

the LA riots were a factor in the current militarization of the police force. Nowadays it wont be necessary to call in the marines and national guard. local police have that level of equipment at their disposal.

[MavsSuperFan]

He was dumb for getting out the truck
no... he didnt want to run over people in front of him... he made the choice not to gun the engines and crush the people that eventually ruined his life.

This post comes off as if you put zero responsibility on the people who randomly beat him and blame him for not killing those same people.

He really had 2 choices:
1. run over a bunch of people in his big rig and kill/cripple many people (probably get in legal trouble)
or
2. be beaten as he was almost to death and suffer permanent injuries.

Personally I would have run over the people and take my chances in court, but most people seem to have more trouble with the idea of killing someone that isnt innocent than I do.

[oh the horror]

the vast majority of the victims of violence were not cops
the stores that were looted actually helped the cops.

the LA riots were a factor in the current militarization of the police force. Nowadays it wont be necessary to call in the marines and national guard. local police have that level of equipment at their disposal.



That and there was a shoutout in north Hollywood years ago.


I believe the suspects robbed a bank. When the local law enforcement caught up with them the suspects (two) were equipped with automatic assault rifles and other weapons plus head to toe body armor. The police were not equipped to deal with that. If curious it's on YouTube.

[MavsSuperFan]

Godzuki is Asian and he has had bad experiences with black people which warped his perception of them. It's sad. I have had a coworker who were Asian that spoke bad of black people, made racist remarks so I asked them their issue. They finally broke down citing growing up getting picked on, chased home, beat up by blacks. How they mocked him the way they talked. And from that point had a dislike for black people.

He's the exact same way. He can deny it all he wants.



The guys who beat him up are scum bags. Regardless of race. Scum like the MMA idiot who beat up that female (people defend him because she was a porn star). But he was dumb for getting out the truck. No smart person regardless of race or ethnicity should have got out in that situation. You can spin it all you want.

Not that its right to generalize the behaviors of a few on to everyone but you cant see how getting attacked/bullied could legitimately harden people against others?

[MavsSuperFan]

That and there was a shoutout in north Hollywood years ago.


I believe the suspects robbed a bank. When the local law enforcement caught up with them the suspects (two) were equipped with automatic assault rifles and other weapons plus head to toe body armor. The police were not equipped to deal with that. If curious it's on YouTube.
definitely. Small super rare incidents like this help explain why our local police are better armed than most armies.

[MavsSuperFan]

I agree. I never stated different. As a black man I dont shop at stores like that.

I just think that the whole black people steal is overblown. ALL BUSINESSES HAVE SOME FORM OF THEFT. If it was that bad, why do they keep opening up businesses in black neighborhoods?
From an ex-gf's father I learned that while he was a doctor in china, his education wasnt respected in the US so he ended up opening a small teriyaki grill. He wanted his kids to grow up in the US, supposedly when he left china wasnt as open as it is now and he thought his kids would have a better life here.

He opened a restaurant because restaurant work was all he could get and it seemed like his only option.

[Riley Martin]

He had no business getting out of that truck to confront gang bangers and hoodlums.

What? He didn't step out of his truck to confront anyone, he was pulled out of his truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymAKaUquzs
@ 3:08

I'm not sure why anyone would shift any of the blame away from the animals committing the attacks.

[MavsSuperFan]

What? He didn't step out of his truck to confront anyone, he was pulled out of his truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymAKaUquzs
@ 3:08

I'm not sure why anyone would shift any of the blame away from the animals committing the attacks.
I think GOBB is blaming him for not gunning the engines and crushing his attackers.

[GOBB]

no... he didnt want to run over people in front of him... he made the choice not to gun the engines and crush the people that eventually ruined his life.

This post comes off as if you put zero responsibility on the people who randomly beat him and blame him for not killing those same people.

He really had 2 choices:
1. run over a bunch of people in his big rig and kill/cripple many people (probably get in legal trouble)
or
2. be beaten as he was almost to death and suffer permanent injuries.

Personally I would have run over the people and take my chances in court, but most people seem to have more trouble with the idea of killing someone that isnt innocent than I do.


My post doesn't come off as what you suggest. You want it to read like you suggest. Your issue not mine. I already spoke on this in previous posts. You probably skipped over it for whatever reason. The people who beat him are scum bags. In fact I even describe the type of people who attacked him before.

Fact remains he was dumb to get out. Sit in truck or keep it moving. People would NOT sit in front of a big rig and allow you to crush them. You're an idiot if you think so.

[Riley Martin]

Fact remains he was dumb to get out. Sit in truck or keep it moving.

He was sitting in his truck. He was pulled out. :wtf:

[GOBB]

What? He didn't step out of his truck to confront anyone, he was pulled out of his truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymAKaUquzs
@ 3:08

I'm not sure why anyone would shift any of the blame away from the animals committing the attacks.

Lock your doors and keep driving. Anyone with a brain knew what was happening on the street. Real simple stuff here. You need to get out of your feelings crying as if someone is blaming him for getting beat to a pulp. That is your problem. My point is clear as day he should have avoided that situation all together.

[GOBB]

Not that its right to generalize the behaviors of a few on to everyone but you cant see how getting attacked/bullied could legitimately harden people against others?

The fact that you carry that with you they teen years, young adult, and to adult years? Pretty sad. So nothing to say on issues is valid because your still emotionally scarred over an incident that occurred growing up.

[MavsSuperFan]

My post doesn't come off as what you suggest. You want it to read like you suggest. Your issue not mine. I already spoke on this in previous posts. You probably skipped over it for whatever reason. The people who beat him are scum bags. In fact I even describe the type of people who attacked him before.

Fact remains he was dumb to get out. Sit in truck or keep it moving. People would NOT sit in front of a big rig and allow you to crush them. You're an idiot if you think so.
I posted that before I got to where you called them scumbags.

If he moved the big rig slow enough to let them get out of the way they would have just dragged him out and beat his ass.

Watch the video, he didnt get out of the big rig. they jumped on to the big rig, broke the windows opened the door and dragged him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymAKaUquzs

I do agree he could have avoid this if he gunned the engine and crushed his attackers. But if he did that lots of people would call him a murderer, etc.

[Riley Martin]

First you were saying this:


He was dumb for getting out the truck

But he was dumb for getting out the truck. No smart person regardless of race or ethnicity should have got out in that situation. You can spin it all you want.

He had no business getting out of that truck to confront gang bangers and hoodlums.

Fact remains he was dumb to get out. Sit in truck or keep it moving.

Then when you learn that he in fact did not willingly get out of the truck, you change your "sit in truck or keep moving" sentiment to "just keep moving"? Forgive me if it seems like you're shifting blame.

[Raymone]

Being bi-racial has really done a number on GOBB mentally. Defending LA rioters. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

First you were saying this:






Then when you learn that he in fact did not willingly get out of the truck, you change your "sit in truck or keep moving" sentiment to "just keep moving"? Forgive me if it seems like you're shifting blame.

So while you're stuck on me saying he got out vs him getting pulled out. I'll continue to say he was dumb for allowing himself to be pulled out and stopping. I don't care about the people who attacked him. But to make you feel secure, happy? They are scum and probably are either dead or in jail. He's in a big rig. He didn't have to stop. No one would literally stand in front of a big rig and be rolled over. People may place themselves in front of it but would eventually get out of the way. My foot would have never let up off the gas. And if by chance someone got ran over? So be it. I feared for my life and given the hostile threatening situation it was? You were defending yourself from being attacked.

Explained this in previous posts. But hang on to me saying he got out tho. Ignored the point of my post. I've never blamed him. I only said he could have prevented them from beating him to a pulp. You obviously don't agree.

[GOBB]

Being bi-racial has really done a number on GOBB mentally. Defending LA rioters. :oldlol:

Reading comprehension. Without it in life you won't get far. Find me where I am defending LA rioters. I'll pay pal you $50 if you can. And if your only support is "you blame deny for getting attacked?" My initial point about you in this post holds true.

I'll wait d!ckhead

[Raymone]

Reading comprehension. Without it in life you won't get far. Find me where I am defending LA rioters. I'll pay pal you $50 if you can. And if your only support is "you blame deny for getting attacked?" My initial point about you in this post holds true.

I'll wait d!ckhead

I know people just like you, GOBB. Race immediately informs your opinion of any situation/event where it's portrayed as a factor (whether it actually is or not). But you probably don't even know that race has such a grip on you, so I don't really fault you. Unlike you faulting Denny for not being able to avoid violent mobs of people in a city-wide riot.

[Raymone]

GOBB doesn't always engage in victim blaming. But when he does, they're white. :lol

He certainly didn't even consider the possibility that Trayvon acted irresponsibly by assaulting a stranger.

[GOBB]

I know people just like you, GOBB. Race immediately informs your opinion of any situation/event where it's portrayed as a factor (whether it actually is or not). But you probably don't even know that race has such a grip on you, so I don't really fault you. Unlike you faulting Denny for not being able to avoid violent mobs of people in a city-wide riot.

So basically you can't find me defending LA rioters :roll:

Kids here love talkin out of their ass. Call them on it and they string a bunch of words together to sound even more ridiculous. Is it deny fault for getting best to a pulp? Nope. Should he have attempted to avoid stopping his truck? Absolutely. Soon as his truck was attack by objects he should kept foot ok gas. What occurs after that? Deal with it later and claim self defense if you injured or ran someone over. That is all I'm saying. There is no way anyone is stopping me in a big rig unless they shoot me thru windshield or door and I'm too injured to drive.

Foot on gas. Next time you reply to me kid make sure it something meaningful and not with the corn in the shit you dropped. Stop talkin out your ass.

I'll keep my $50

[GOBB]

GOBB doesn't always engage in victim blaming. But when he does, they're white. :lol

He certainly didn't even consider the possibility that Trayvon acted irresponsibly by assaulting a stranger.

Acted irresponsibly? :roll:

It's sad you are still butt hurt over the trayvon situation. People have their opinions on it. You have yours. Move on kid. You sound like a bitter female in a breakup.

[west_tip]

They attacked a random truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) because of his skin color.

http://mikeduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Reginald-Denny.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

Wow, according to the wikipedia page you linked to only one of Reginald Denny's assailants was convicted for damn near beating him to death.

[Raymone]

Acted irresponsibly? :roll:

It's sad you are still butt hurt over the trayvon situation. People have their opinions on it. You have yours. Move on kid. You sound like a bitter female in a breakup.

Why would I be upset about the Trayvon case when I agreed with the acquittal verdict? That doesn't make sense. Seems like you get upset when it's brought up or referenced. Is that case off limits for discussion? :D

Anyway.. my point is your willingness to blame victims is, by no coincidence, strongly influenced by the race of the victim and/or perpetrator. I don't know where you stand on this Michael Brown case, but... let's just say I can venture a guess with near certainty. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

The L.A. riots is exactly what im talking about. The Black community taking the blame for the actions of a few people. And in the grand scheme of things, it was a few hundred people that caused havoc. Theres thounds of blacks that live in south Los Angeles.

For instance. What happened to Denny. Yes four black people assaulted that poor man. But what you guys obviously dong know is that more blacks risked their lives to save him. And one of the assailants actually apologized publicly to Denny on TV.

[west_tip]

The L.A. riots is exactly what im talking about. The Black community taking the blame for the actions of a few people. And in the grand scheme of things, it was a few hundred people that caused havoc. Theres thounds of blacks that live in south Los Angeles.

For instance. What happened to Denny. Yes four black people assaulted that poor man. But what you guys obviously dong know is that more blacks risked their lives to save him. And one of the assailants actually apologized publicly to Denny on TV.

Point of order: People of all races were involved in the rioting and looting.

[32jazz]

Point of order: People of all races were involved in the rioting and looting.


That makes the riots too complex an issue for simplistic bigots who seem to have this hard on for Blacks , in particular. Although South Central was a mostly Black neighborhood in 1992 from 56-59% involved, or at least arrested, were Hispanics. Most of the businesses damaged were probably Hispanic ,but the racists have tunnel vision that focus on any Black behavior considered negative..

And when one brings up the the most violent /deadliest riots in U,S. History were perpetrated by Whites (minorities learned from the best)'that's history' . The L.A. Riots are 'history' as well & most here (under 30) are too young to even remember.


Calling the Quickie Mart burnings in Ferguson 'riots' are an insult to damn riots, but they use this and opportunity to bring up negative stereotypes.

99% of thousands of Ferguson protestors are peaceful, but the few dozen knuckleheads that burned & looted a couple corner stores represent poor Blacks.

[MavsSuperFan]

That makes the riots too complex an issue for simplistic bigots who seem to have this hard on for Blacks , in particular. Although South Central was a mostly Black neighborhood in 1992 from 56-59% involved, or at least arrested, were Hispanics. Most of the businesses damaged were probably Hispanic ,but the racists have tunnel vision that focus on any Black behavior considered negative..

And when one brings up the the most violent /deadliest riots in U,S. History were perpetrated by Whites (minorities learned from the best)'that's history' . The L.A. Riots are 'history' as well & most here (under 30) are too young to even remember.


Calling the Quickie Mart burnings in Ferguson 'riots' are an insult to damn riots, but they use this and opportunity to bring up negative stereotypes.

99% of thousands of Ferguson protestors are peaceful, but the few dozen knuckleheads that burned & looted a couple corner stores represent poor Blacks.


And when one brings up the the most violent /deadliest riots in U,S. History were perpetrated by Whites (minorities learned from the best)'that's history' . The L.A. Riots are 'history' as well & most here (under 30) are too young to even remember.
I wish the cops/military would have shot those white rioters.


99% of thousands of Ferguson protestors are peaceful, but the few dozen knuckleheads that burned & looted a couple corner stores represent poor Blacks.
Thats why looters are so selfish


Calling the Quickie Mart burnings in Ferguson 'riots' are an insult to damn riots, but they use this and opportunity to bring up negative stereotypes.

More than that single store was attacked. Any type of person can riot. that is rioting to me.

[MavsSuperFan]

The L.A. riots is exactly what im talking about. The Black community taking the blame for the actions of a few people. And in the grand scheme of things, it was a few hundred people that caused havoc. Theres thounds of blacks that live in south Los Angeles.

For instance. What happened to Denny. Yes four black people assaulted that poor man. But what you guys obviously dong know is that more blacks risked their lives to save him. And one of the assailants actually apologized publicly to Denny on TV.
Anybody that blames the entire black community for the LA riots is stupid.

I personally only blame those that rioted or attempt to justify the rioting. And I mean everyone regardless of race that rioted or defended/did not condemn the rioting

And one of the assailants actually apologized publicly to Denny on TV.
Probably to help him in court. its really the logical thing to do whether or not you feel sorry.

[97 bulls]

Anybody that blames the entire black community for the LA riots is stupid.

I personally only blame those that rioted or attempt to justify the rioting. And I mean everyone regardless of race that rioted or defended/did not condemn the rioting
Fair enough

Probably to help him in court. its really the logical thing to do whether or not you feel sorry.
Lol. You just can't...... the man and Denny appeared on the Donahue show years later.

[MavsSuperFan]

Fair enough

Lol. You just can't...... the man and Denny appeared on the Donahue show years later.
Maybe he did feel sorry, IDK im not the type of person that is very forgiving, and I dont think saying sorry makes up for inflicting permanent injuries against a person that was randomly driving down the street. Im sorry Im not going to have a high opinion of those attackers.

[dude77]

good black folks helped denny to the hospital .. wanna add to the guy apologizing .. he also said he didn't regret what he did :oldlol:

[Godzuki]

The L.A. riots is exactly what im talking about. The Black community taking the blame for the actions of a few people. And in the grand scheme of things, it was a few hundred people that caused havoc. Theres thounds of blacks that live in south Los Angeles.

For instance. What happened to Denny. Yes four black people assaulted that poor man. But what you guys obviously dong know is that more blacks risked their lives to save him. And one of the assailants actually apologized publicly to Denny on TV.


no the black community does not take the blame. the black community puts it on everyone else. nobody here has owned up to the issues the rioting has caused, all they do is blame the police for trying to instill order. nobody has owned up to Mike Brown being a thug, all they're doing is talking about how cops are crooked. you can go over this whole thread and the other one and nobody is owning up to those things.... its just constant excuses, race card plays, and blaming everyone else BUT anyone in the black community.

[Godzuki]

So basically you can't find me defending LA rioters :roll:

Kids here love talkin out of their ass. Call them on it and they string a bunch of words together to sound even more ridiculous. Is it deny fault for getting best to a pulp? Nope. Should he have attempted to avoid stopping his truck? Absolutely. Soon as his truck was attack by objects he should kept foot ok gas. What occurs after that? Deal with it later and claim self defense if you injured or ran someone over. That is all I'm saying. There is no way anyone is stopping me in a big rig unless they shoot me thru windshield or door and I'm too injured to drive.

Foot on gas. Next time you reply to me kid make sure it something meaningful and not with the corn in the shit you dropped. Stop talkin out your ass.

I'll keep my $50


if only people were willing to accept $50 in stolen postal stamps :oldlol:

lets get back to you looking for other excuses than owning up to why Denny's life was in danger until being called out for your agenda.

good luck pleading self defense in a big rig running people over before a crime has ever been committed dumbass :facepalm ...like i said its not hindsight being 20/20 after the fact where u get to make that call.

[Godzuki]

The fact that you carry that with you they teen years, young adult, and to adult years? Pretty sad. So nothing to say on issues is valid because your still emotionally scarred over an incident that occurred growing up.


the sad thing is you're so bias for your agenda, you don't even own up to the daily news reports of today which i'm sure you don't even follow, all of the World Star Hip Hop videos we've watched, or the behavior of many black ghetto people these days being fukking awful.

infer i or others have a scarred childhoods all you want from black guys like Michael Brown roughing us up lol, but i know what current reality is all over the fukking place....sure its all white, mexicans, etc. upping the shooting rates in Chicago....just like Baltimore and DC are crime ridden from mostly whites and azn's, sure mailman. in your made up world i guess :lol

[97 bulls]

no the black community does not take the blame. the black community puts it on everyone else.
How? Who here has said rioting is ok? Im just trying to figure out why some were looked at as heroic, (like the ones that started the revolutionary war) as opposed to the ones today. The fact is both started because the powers that be abused their power and the citizens had had enough.


nobody here has owned up to the issues the rioting has caused, all they do is blame the police for trying to instill order.
Lol. No one blames the police for instilling order. We blame the police for instilling fear. And abusing their power. I mean according to some, blacks are nothing but thugs with multiple arrests on their records. Who's arresting these blacks? The police. By your logic. Black people should be rioting everyday. And think. Who's calling the police? Black people!!!!!!!


nobody has owned up to Mike Brown being a thug, all they're doing is talking about how cops are crooked. you can go over this whole thread and the other one and nobody is owning up to those things.... its just constant excuses, race card plays, and blaming everyone else BUT anyone in the black community.
I haven't commented on the Brown case. But it seems clear that the police are hiding something. And if its true they shot that kid in the back, then theyre wrong. Doesnt mean he wasnt a thug. Just means the police ABUSED THEIR AUTHORITY. Black people dont get mad when the police arrest people. We get mad when they kill people that dont need to be killed.

[GOBB]

Why would I be upset about the Trayvon case when I agreed with the acquittal verdict? That doesn't make sense. Seems like you get upset when it's brought up or referenced. Is that case off limits for discussion? :D

Anyway.. my point is your willingness to blame victims is, by no coincidence, strongly influenced by the race of the victim and/or perpetrator. I don't know where you stand on this Michael Brown case, but... let's just say I can venture a guess with near certainty. :oldlol:

What are you babbling about? Nothing you say makes sense. Trayvon case off limits? No but who cares to change the topic we are discussing to something that has been talked about to death. Read and comprehend my point.

Never blamed Deny. But he's in a big rig he should've kept driving. Dumb coming to a stop. Rest of your post is meaningless

[tpols]

damn he had 3.8 mil and invested a bunch in a failed record company startup. :facepalm

Also tried to sue his own lawyers for the 1.7 mil they made right after the settlement. :facepalm

Guy was a lost cause I guess

[MavsSuperFan]

How? Who here has said rioting is ok? Im just trying to figure out why some were looked at as heroic, (like the ones that started the revolutionary war) as opposed to the ones today. The fact is both started because the powers that be abused their power and the citizens had had enough.
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Nah that is just american propaganda.

I have read that most colonists were ambivalent about leaving the british empire or loyal to the crown. The whole taxation without representation is kind of bullshit

overall american colonists were taxed much less than british citizens in great britain. Also although it is true american colonists were not represented in british house of lords or the house of commons, unlike non-white subjects of the british empire americans did have indirect ways to influence the british parliament.

Firstly american colonies had white people in it. Most of whom at this time were of english descent (modern american whites are mostly descended from germans). White people in britain felt it was wrong to totally dominate people that were very similar to them. the racist attitudes that justified dominating a place like india, didnt apply to white colonists. American colonists had organizations and elected representatives in the colonies that worked with the british government to govern the colonies.

The american revolution was mostly about rich powerful men wanting to become even more powerful. The founding fathers if you adjust for inflation and see their wealth as a proportion of GDP were much richer than current politicians.

Also the founding fathers didnt really care about representation. Everyone knows only white men were allowed to vote, but what they dont know is that most white men could not vote.
http://www.infoplease.com/timelines/voting.html

When the Constitution was written, only white male property owners (about 10 to 16 percent of the nation's population) had the vote. Over the past two centuries, though, the term "government by the people" has become a reality. During the early 1800s, states gradually dropped property requirements for voting. Later, groups that had been excluded previously gained the right to vote. Other reforms made the process fairer and easier.



1790
Only white male adult property-owners have the right to vote.

1810
Last religious prerequisite for voting is eliminated.

1850
Property ownership and tax requirements eliminated by 1850. Almost all adult white males could vote.

1855
Connecticut adopts the nation's first literacy test for voting. Massachusetts follows suit in 1857. The tests were implemented to discriminate against Irish-Catholic immigrants.

1870
The 15th Amendment is passed. It gives former slaves the right to vote and protects the voting rights of adult male citizens of any race.



Read more: U.S. Voting Rights | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/timelines/voting.html#ixzz3Afg41TDn

Not until 1850 could almost all white males vote. America was meant to be a plutocracy
To answer your original question:
American founding fathers were politically powerful and rich and wrote the history books that portrayed them as unanimous heros.

[32jazz]

That's a small group of Koreans that were ready trying to defend their lively hoods. After researching the rioters seemed to specifically target Korean business in the burnings.

Since this thread I have read some articles on the 20 year aftermath of the Riots & it says that about 3500 businesses were destroyed & nearly 1800 were Korean. Astonishing over 200 or so were Korean owned liquor stores(out of about 700 total? WTF!) which Latino & Black leaders were trying to curtail/close for years. I would only be stereotyping if I surmised what most of the other Korean businesses were.

Those were legal businesses & many owners were ruined , some committed suicide etc....BUt that being said most Black/Latino leaders & citizens said good riddance to those great 'services provided' to that community.

Although it was criminal which was perpetrated by the rioters no one was saddedned by the lost of Liquor stores & as of 2012 only about 40 or so(down from an astonishing 700 in 1992) were open. The community has made it difficult to open more liquor stores with tough restrictions like limited hours, full time security,etc....,,..


I saw where Magic Johnson invested nicely in the area with Starbucks, Movie Theater (eventually closed) which encouraged other investors with less controversial business than liquor stores. I saw part of a special on Magic & the shopping center's weren't Rodeo drive ,but seemed to be rebounding nicely.


Can anyone from L.A. give us an ideal of the business climate/conditions in South Central L.A. After the riots ? Have they built a respectable business base?

[32jazz]

I understand your point. I honestly dont like "niggass" either. They make us look bad. But why do all blacks have to take the blame for the actions of a few. Especially when no other race really takes the brunt "as a whole" for an action of one person.
.

Odd how 45 million Blacks are responsible for the acts of a small criminal element , but that's the face of bigotry. Most poor Blacks go to work(maybe at menial or working class jobs) & like us all & aren't involved in nonsense/illegal activity,etc....

I feel that the Black vs n-word sentiment only plays into the hands of those same bigots & that if you are a Black man then you are also one mistep from being a 'thug' or n-word yourself.(some feel that way without any behavior considered negative).


Malcolm X had a rap sheet consisting of robbery, burglary , near pimp, drug pusher/abuser,number runners,etc.... & a sundry of other crimes which I can't recall. He makes 95% of Young Blacks today seem like choir boys ,but he not only turned himself around he turned around tens of thousands others.


Obama saw himself in & strongly related to Trayvon Martin (using the term 'son) because he understands the sentiment you proffered not a reasonable one.

Malcolm X & countless others are proof of redemption when bigots /I'll informed would have you believe that many young Blacks have no redeeming qualities.


Chris Rock says he truly regrets the Black vs N-word routine & I think maybe one day you will find it regrettable as well.

[Godzuki]

Since this thread I have read some articles on the 20 year aftermath of the Riots & it says that about 3500 businesses were destroyed & nearly 1800 were Korean. Astonishing over 200 or so were Korean owned liquor stores(out of about 700 total? WTF!) which Latino & Black leaders were trying to curtail/close for years. I would only be stereotyping if I surmised what most of the other Korean businesses were.

Those were legal businesses & many owners were ruined , some committed suicide etc....BUt that being said most Black/Latino leaders & citizens said good riddance to those great 'services provided' to that community.

Although it was criminal which was perpetrated by the rioters no one was saddedned by the lost of Liquor stores & as of 2012 only about 40 or so(down from an astonishing 700 in 1992) were open. The community has made it difficult to open more liquor stores with tough restrictions like limited hours, full time security,etc....,,..


I saw where Magic Johnson invested nicely in the area with Starbucks, Movie Theater (eventually closed) which encouraged other investors with less controversial business than liquor stores. I saw part of a special on Magic & the shopping center's weren't Rodeo drive ,but seemed to be rebounding nicely.


Can anyone from L.A. give us an ideal of the business climate/conditions in South Central L.A. After the riots ? Have they built a respectable business base?

lmao how are liquor stores so controversial? you get lotto and liquor, and lets be honest they'll drive down a few blocks to get it somewhere else. its not like thats stopping anyone from getting liquor/beer. If anything there are probably less small business ones and more big mega liquor stores making up for those burnt down stores.

Its just reverse racism because they weren't black/hispanic owned by those community leaders. its that same Boyz in da Hood BS that Lawrence Fishburne was preaching that all of the ignorant ghetto nikka's bought into. but they can get away with it due to the double standards in this country, just think if it were whtie people burning down a black store(i don't really think hispanic has as much to do with it as the black ghetto movement during that time being very anti korean with the idea they're poisoning black people by selling them liquor).

and lol @ Starbucks in South Central LA....i'm sure its booming with gangsta's on laptops drinking their coffee's :oldlol: can't even imagine the movie theater booming with the cost of movies and drinks/candy/food/etc these days or 3D movies unless there aren't any other theaters 20 miles away.

Its some fukked up double standard shit tho. at least we still got Korea Town over there which is booming :pimp:

[Godzuki]

Odd how 45 million Blacks are responsible for the acts of a small criminal element , but that's the face of bigotry. Most poor Blacks go to work(maybe at menial or working class jobs) & like us all & aren't involved in nonsense/illegal activity,etc....

I feel that the Black vs n-word sentiment only plays into the hands of those same bigots & that if you are a Black man then you are also one mistep from being a 'thug' or n-word yourself.(some feel that way without any behavior considered negative).


Malcolm X had a rap sheet consisting of robbery, burglary , near pimp, drug pusher/abuser,number runners,etc.... & a sundry of other crimes which I can't recall. He makes 95% of Young Blacks today seem like choir boys ,but he not only turned himself around he turned around tens of thousands others.


Obama saw himself in & strongly related to Trayvon Martin (using the term 'son) because he understands the sentiment you proffered not a reasonable one.

Malcolm X & countless others are proof of redemption when bigots /I'll informed would have you believe that many young Blacks have no redeeming qualities.


Chris Rock says he truly regrets the Black vs N-word routine & I think maybe one day you will find it regrettable as well.


its the largest, consistent criminal element in the US. don't downplay it because the shootings are everywhere, the inner city chaos, etc. mostly comes from inner city black people. none of u EVER own up to that reality tho while pretending we're all supposed to suspect white, azn, etc. people equally no matter what background of committing crimes :rolleyes: nobody is THAT dumb, only in a politically correct sense can people really be that dumb or unrealistic.

yes there are many honest, normal black people, even some in the ghetto, but a lot of despicable thugs all over Chicago, LA, Baltimore, DC, etc. To pretend thats not reality, or stuff we see in the news every day IF u follow news at all is disingenuous. All of you just keep making excuses for that fact tho, or play race cards. Its not racist to be realistic.

Yep its all white and azn people shooting each other up in Chicago....yep white/azn people are the ones acting like animals all over the inner cities of Bmore....in those school systems, sure :rolleyes: until some of y'all mf'ers own up, and stop putting it on everyone else, and try to change yourselves and own culture some, instead of blaming every other race or cops for all of your problems, you won't ever go anywhere. Just never-ending excuses blaming the man and everyone who has more.

[97 bulls]

its the largest, consistent criminal element in the US. don't downplay it because the shootings are everywhere, the inner city chaos, etc. mostly comes from inner city black people. none of u EVER own up to that reality tho while pretending we're all supposed to suspect white, azn, etc. people equally no matter what background of committing crimes :rolleyes: nobody is THAT dumb, only in a politically correct sense can people really be that dumb or unrealistic.

yes there are many honest, normal black people, even some in the ghetto, but a lot of despicable thugs all over Chicago, LA, Baltimore, DC, etc. To pretend thats not reality, or stuff we see in the news every day IF u follow news at all is disingenuous. All of you just keep making excuses for that fact tho, or play race cards. Its not racist to be realistic.

Yep its all white and azn people shooting each other up in Chicago....yep white/azn people are the ones acting like animals all over the inner cities of Bmore....in those school systems, sure :rolleyes: until some of y'all mf'ers own up, and stop putting it on everyone else, and try to change yourselves and own culture some, instead of blaming every other race or cops for all of your problems, you won't ever go anywhere. Just never-ending excuses blaming the man and everyone who has more.
I don't understand what you want from the black community. What are we supposed to be "owning up" to?

Ive already told you that its other blacks that call the police on the blacks committing the crimes.

What we disagree with, is your assumption that alllllll blacks are criminals. Or even most. The fact is, its about 5% doing 95% of the crimes.

We disagree with this notion that blacks are inherently lazy. Thats just not true. We work as hard as everyone else.

But the black community is tired of the "short leash" put on perspective criminals by the authorities. Why does every officer involved situation that blacks get upset about involve an officer taking a situation up to the level of death?

[Godzuki]

I don't understand what you want from the black community. What are we supposed to be "owning up" to?

Ive already told you that its other blacks that call the police on the blacks committing the crimes.

What we disagree with, is your assumption that alllllll blacks are criminals. Or even most. The fact is, its about 5% doing 95% of the crimes.

We disagree with this notion that blacks are inherently lazy. Thats just not true. We work as hard as everyone else.

But the black community is tired of the "short leash" put on perspective criminals by the authorities. Why does every officer involved situation that blacks get upset about involve an officer taking a situation up to the level of death?

pretty sure i said not all black people, and made that distinction VERY clearly but none of y'all mf'ers want to hear truth.

it is sooo obvious a lot of you cover for the ghetto hoods. its evident here, its evident everywhere. its constant excuses, blaming everyone else, or pretending white people or others are just as guilty of committing crimes blaming the media for being racist.

then the few black people who do blame black communities or their mentality are called Uncle Toms. its constant guilt trips of race cards.

I want you to own up to most crime in the US on a consistent basis coming from black ghetto communities. I want you to own up to why police may stop young, black people near/around those communities and be suspicious of them. I want you to own up to not every race of every socio-economic background not being equally likely to commit crimes. I want them to own up that people come over to America with NOTHING and do better than many of them....but to them its the man's fault. its the koreans preying on them making money off of them so it must be racist elements in the US. Admit black people are as racist, or more racist than most people in this country. There is so much lack of owning up to, because the race card against black people works soooo well.

There is just so much obvious shit you all are purposely delusional about, that contradicts reality. where we all are supposed to play by the 'everyone is equal' game of political correctness, or the double standards because black people feel they're owed for slavery by everyone, and everyone tiptoes around their sensitivites because being painted as a racist is today's Scarlet Letter.

There are a lot of sheep mf'ers that buy into your BS, but i'm not that politically correct. I'm a realist. Deny what i said all u want but i could back it up with stats/facts i'm sure, just none of ya'll EVER own up to it, even the honest black people always cover for the hoodlums. Its always a thousand excuses blaming someone else, but never them with most black people. ITs even obvious with this Mike Brown incident and ISH posters w/ the exact mentality i'm speakign about....way too obvious.

[97 bulls]

I want you to own up to most crime in the US on a consistent basis coming from black ghetto communities.
And this here is the problem. Why do I have to own up to the transgressions of someone else? I dont have a criminal record. I work. I take care of my kids. None of my kids are criminals.


I want you to own up to why police may stop young, black people near/around those communities and be suspicious of them.
I not owning up to this. Its profiling. I live in Downey California. A working middle class type city. My son is 17. And never been in the back of a police car. But hes been harassed by the police three times. Once at around 7 in the morning when he was taking out the trash. The other two as he was walking home from football practice. He told me they even demanded to search his bag. Fortunately he didn't put up a fight.



I want you to own up to not every race of every socio-economic background not being equally likely to commit crimes.
Statistically. Thats true. But why do you feel thats the case?



I want them to own up that people come over to America with NOTHING and do better than many of them....but to them its the man's fault. its the koreans preying on them making money off of them so it must be racist elements in the US.
Lol. Funny thing is. And maybe you can answer this question for me. How do foreigners from other countries with no money, cant speak a word of English, and thus probably no credit, open up a business out here in the states? Cuz blacks cant do it.


Admit black people are as racist, or more racist than most people in this country.
I disagree. I think the black community is the most accepting. A black person would not be able to open a business in Korea town and have it thrive. Any race of people can open up a business in the black community and it will be patronized.


There is so much lack of owning up to, because the race card against black people works soooo well.
What you expect is not "owning up". You want black people to accept being racial profiled. You want blacks to accept our kids being shot by cops that in all honesty are looking to incite a rise out of tbe person they're stopping. What you're asking is unreasonable. You want blacks to give cops the benefit of the doubt in possible police brutality situations, but wont do the same for blacks.

[97 bulls]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25866896/nfl-player-arrested-in-laurens-co

Take a look at the vid posted. This officer is clearly trying to incite violence from this man. They do this a lot. Then when the person gets aggravated, they see it as resisting and get to shooting.

For the life if me. I cant seem to figure out why the government doesn't demand that all police cruisers have cameras on them. As well as a camera on the officer themselves. Its seems much cheaper than the law suits and constant bashing that they get from the public theyre supposed to be serving.

[Godzuki]

And this here is the problem. Why do I have to own up to the transgressions of someone else? I dont have a criminal record. I work. I take care of my kids. None of my kids are criminals.


I not owning up to this. Its profiling. I live in Downey California. A working middle class type city. My son is 17. And never been in the back of a police car. But hes been harassed by the police three times. Once at around 7 in the morning when he was taking out the trash. The other two as he was walking home from football practice. He told me they even demanded to search his bag. Fortunately he didn't put up a fight.



Statistically. Thats true. But why do you feel thats the case?



Lol. Funny thing is. And maybe you can answer this question for me. How do foreigners from other countries with no money, cant speak a word of English, and thus probably no credit, open up a business out here in the states? Cuz blacks cant do it.


I disagree. I think the black community is the most accepting. A black person would not be able to open a business in Korea town and have it thrive. Any race of people can open up a business in the black community and it will be patronized.


What you expect is not "owning up". You want black people to accept being racial profiled. You want blacks to accept our kids being shot by cops that in all honesty are looking to incite a rise out of tbe person they're stopping. What you're asking is unreasonable. You want blacks to give cops the benefit of the doubt in possible police brutality situations, but wont do the same for blacks.


for the record a lot of the things i directed at you were based on your previous post to me asking me what i want/expect from the black community....that i generalize all blacks as criminals which isn't true, but any time someone points out the ghetto criminals u all always make this reverse generalization.

You don't have to own up to the transgressions of someone else, but don't question me when i call those people out or pretend i'm generalizing all black people as criminals.

Again why do u think they're profiling? everyone generalizes, even subconsciously....its generally called street smarts....being aware, making probabilities of the people/places around you. black people profile white people all of the time. except when a cop does it in accordance to his job its wrong because the politically correct perception for them is supposed to be all people regardless of race, regardless of socio economic background are equally as probable to commit a crime, which any realistic person knows is horse shit. not saying its right innocent black people get caught up or unfairly stopped based on ghetto thugs, but to me its the reality of the world in relation to their job. I do not think cops are out to just get every black person just because they're all racist. I think that is rarely the case, more that there is a consistency in crime from black people who look/act a certain way. Again call it racist but its reality...the politically correct law enforcing is NOT.

I think black ghetto culture of today is very influential in creating thugs, gang members, drug dealers, etc. i think what rappers rap about, their alpha attitudes, their bling, their gang banging, dogging the man, etc. make them role models to a lot of younger black youth. I"m sure parenting has a lot to do with it but i can't pretend to judge or know why that is, because i don't really buy its the lack of black fathers raising kids so much since mothers can raise kids just fine IMO. I think its embedded in ghetto black culture tho, what it is today, and there are a lot of factors to that why.


they don't just come over here and open up business's. usually they bust their ass with pursuits of the 'American Dream', starting from lowly jobs, working 2 jobs at a time in some cases and all of the time, save their money, and at some point have enough to open up a small business. I've heard/seen that story so many times with friends of my father including him. but the big difference between places where they come from and America is.....we're generally lazier and much more spoiled than many people from other countries. Not all countries but a decent amount of them who realize what it is to truly have nothing or so little opportunity, or they were expected to study 7 days a week, stuff like that~

That does not make the black community accepting. The ghetto black community is one of the most racist towards other races, even their own. But they're the most up front and probably speak their mind type of people in America, in many cases with very little manners. white/azn's are generally very well mannered in relation, even ghetto white/azn kids are....but ghetto black kids are some of the least mannered people you'll come across in life. yes i'm generalizing and i'm sure according to people here being racist but i swear its true, of which i've seen firsthand on a regular basis, or u can always just tune into World Star Hip Hop which isn't fake.

I want black people to realize why they're being racially profiled at times, and its not because every cop is racist. that a big part of that is based on the ghetto black community they always stick up for...i want you all to own up that your 'kids' can be awful fukking people and own up to the shit they do instead of the million excuses u make for them u wouldn't for any other raced kid....i want ya'll to own up when Trayvon resists authority....when the fat guy who died of asphyxiation resists arrest....when Mike Brown strongarm robbs a convenience store. But none of u own up to that shit, or very few of u do while pretending to gloss over all of that, or outright pretend those things never happened just blaming police all of the time :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Again why do u think they're profiling? everyone generalizes, even subconsciously....its generally called street smarts....being aware, making probabilities of the people/places around you.
But what you fail to realize is that unlike most peoples generalizations, blacks often get acted out upon. I believe you said you're Asian right? Well theres a stereotype that Asians are bad drivers. Would it be fair to have them pay more for auto insurance, have the police stop them for no apparent reason, perhaps only allow them to ride bicycles, hell not even allow them to drive at all?


black people profile white people all of the time.
Lol. How?


except when a cop does it in accordance to his job its wrong because the politically correct perception for them is supposed to be all people regardless of race, regardless of socio economic background are equally as probable to commit a crime, which any realistic person knows is horse shit.
But what you're attempting to justify is flat out illegal. And even still, why only apply that logic to blacks? There's also a stereotype that white men (I apologize to my Caucasian brothers. Its just for the sake of argument) have been found to be pediphiles, serial killers, and school shooters. Should the police start raiding the homes of white males to find those criminals? With out probable cause?


im not saying its right innocent black people get caught up or unfairly stopped based on ghetto thugs, but to me its the reality of the world in relation to their job.
It is not in the job discription to racially profile black people. Come on.


I do not think cops are out to just get every black person just because they're all racist.
I agree. But there is this prevailing theme that a black person is guilty until proven innocent. If I had a nickel for every time a cop shot a black person because they "thought" or "mistakenly" or "assumed" they were reaching for a weapon. The unfortunate aspect is that that type of profiling is costing kids their lives.


I think that is rarely the case, more that there is a consistency in crime from black people who look/act a certain way. Again call it racist but its reality...the politically correct law enforcing is NOT.
But it doesn't make it right or justify it. And compound the fact that blacks and latinos seem to be the only race of people taking the brunt of it

[Godzuki]

But what you fail to realize is that unlike most peoples generalizations, blacks often get acted out upon. I believe you said you're Asian right? Well theres a stereotype that Asians are bad drivers. Would it be fair to have them pay more for auto insurance, have the police stop them for no apparent reason, perhaps only allow them to ride bicycles, hell not even allow them to drive at all?


Lol. How?


But what you're attempting to justify is flat out illegal. And even still, why only apply that logic to blacks? There's also a stereotype that white men (I apologize to my Caucasian brothers. Its just for the sake of argument) have been found to be pediphiles, serial killers, and school shooters. Should the police start raiding the homes of white males to find those criminals? With out probable cause?


It is not in the job discription to racially profile black people. Come on.


I agree. But there is this prevailing theme that a black person is guilty until proven innocent. If I had a nickel for every time a cop shot a black person because they "thought" or "mistakenly" or "assumed" they were reaching for a weapon. The unfortunate aspect is that that type of profiling is costing kids their lives.


But it doesn't make it right or justify it. And compound the fact that blacks and latinos seem to be the only race of people taking the brunt of it


but we all have our racial downsides where things aren't fair. do azn's, middle easterners, etc. have as much representation as a minority in America as black people do? not even close. the NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, last i checked we're colored, but they're a predominantly a black advancement group. There are no azn Rev. Al's or Jesse Jacksons, maybe thats a blessing, but still when azn's get clowned in media there is one small group nobody gives a fukk about speaking out. We get clowned in movies and media a lot, if black people were clowned that same way u can bet there would be outrage. i've learned to deal with it. Its not necessarily right or fair, but it is what it is.

There are many things like that i could probably make examples of....

Black people often will make fun of how a white person talks, some regarding their nerd demeanor especially as younger kids, how certain white people act, etc. etc. even if its said in comedy, altho many times its in a clowning way. White people can't really do that to black people without the race card/tension being there. they see some yupee white guy and do the white guy talk thing, think Chapelle does that but a lot of black people do that in general to whtie people. i think its in a lot of black peoples culture to jones or make jokes about others tho, again generalization, but i swear its true.

There are FBI profilers who do that very thing i believe. Those pedo's are much fewer and far between than daily crime tho. You guys always want to point out these shooting incidents of Colombine or movie theater by white guys but on a daily, regular consistent basis, that cops are reacting to, its generally black people in ghetto's. you can't see how that conditions law enforcement to be 'cop smart' towards certain things to look for? There are how many shootings in Chicago a month? how many black people arrested in the country a month? i don't know but i'd think it far exceeds any other race of people....which cops are firsthand dealing with on a daily/hourly basis. Then when those consistencies translate to being wise to their job, its construed as the cop must be racist for pulling me over for being black. Again not saying its right, but understand why that happens not based on racism of hating black people.

But do many ghetto black people gang bang? do many shoot at police? make all of the rednecks having guns comparisons all u want but i don't think that comes anywhere close to what cops are regularly dealing with in this country with black thugs with guns. again see Chicago...

but there is also a reason why latino's are right there, especially in the LA area....gangs. its NOT because cops are racist against blacks and latino's, its regular conditioning to what the real world is and knowing what are normal threats, and to be extra on guard. U can hardly blame them, at least i can't.

what i think is ridiculous and laffable, where the biggest sheep in the world buy into, is that every race of every socio economic background is equally liable to commit a crime.
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[32jazz]

I don't understand what you want from the black community. What are we supposed to be "owning up" to?



What they want is to indict most of the community / race & certainly doesn't have its best interest in mind . Reminds me of the Islamaphobes who are always asking Muslims to 'call out' a few thousand Muslim Extremists(like al-Qaeda or Isis) when 99% of the worlds 1.6 billion are peaceful & wish peace for most others. What is calling out criminals or terrorists gonna do? Nothing.

Your son ,it seems, was one wrong decision from being a 'thug' with 'run ins with the law' , but fortunately he understands what's going on when he's being profiled. I see that you are in L.A. County & don't presume to know that you are familiar with South Central L.A. , but anything you know about the business climate there post riots would be appreciated.



I always thought that the 'liquor store every corner' (Movies like Boys in The Hood & Music) of Latino/Black communities was just an exagerration.(Even Mayor Bradley commenting on the '1000' liquor stores which was very close at about 700:wtf: )

Those lightly regulated liquor stores served as a hang out/meeting points for the communities criminal element. The honest hardworking citizens & children had to traverse this terrain of the communities criminals to & from work / school everyday at these stores. Although not the way in which it was criminally done (by burning & looting) most were glad they were gone to be replaced by far fewer(40 down from 700) highly regulated liquor stores with strict hours & full time security to prevent the criminal element from loitering.

But overall the shear numbers of 'outsiders' with business were proof of the the acceptance by Blacks /Hispanics & them having no issue patronizing them.

The business climate post riots interest me & if anyone is familiar we would like to hear.

[Godzuki]

no, the 'islamaphobes' just want the people of Islam who support the Palestinians for example, to acknowledge what Hamas is doing....to acknowledge their extremists. but many don't, its always the human lives lost to Israel attacks bit only.

just like you guys always pretending all cops are racist, never putting yourself in their shoes, never owning up to what conditions them to be 'racist' according to you but to me certainly understandable and 'not so racist'....

most of u just never own up, just play race cards, and keep pretending we're all living in a delusional politically correct facade of a world.

[97 bulls]

but we all have racial downsides where things aren't fair. do azn's, middle easterners, etc. have as much representation as a minority in America as black people do? not even close. the NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, last i checked we're colored, but they're a predominantly a black advancement group. There are no azn Rev. Al's or Jesse Jacksons, maybe thats a blessing, but still when azn's get clowned in media there is one small group nobody gives a fukk about speaking out. We get clowned in movies and media a lot, if black people were clowned that same way u can bet there would be outrage. i've learned to deal with it. Its not necessarily right or fair, but it is what it is.
Lol..WHAT!!!!!!!?? I asked you a question. There is a general stereotype that Asians cant drive. Should they be profiled as such and then have to profiles acted out on? How the NAACP got involved is beyong me.


There are many things like that i could probably make examples of....

Black people often will make fun of how a white person talks, some regarding their nerd demeanor especially as younger kids, how certain white people act, etc. etc. even if its said in comedy, altho many times its in a clowning way.
This is the best you got? Wow. Comedians? Really? Come on.


White people can't really do that to black people without the race card/tension being there. they see some yupee white guy and do the white guy talk thing, think Chapelle does that but a lot of black people do that in general to whtie people. i think its in a lot of black peoples culture to jones or make jokes about others tho, again generalization, but i swear its true.
Lol. On Nick Cannon "wild n out" show, theres an Asian guy that routinely makes fun of blacks. ROUTINELY. Ive seen white comedians constantly making fun of the way blacks walk and talk. Besides. This is nothing but a straw man.


There are FBI profilers who do that very thing i believe. Those pedo's are much fewer and far between than daily crime tho. You guys always want to point out these shooting incidents of Colombine or movie theater by white guys but on a daily, regular consistent basis, that cops are reacting to, its generally black people in ghetto's.
Well how many of those types of these crimes need to be committed before you deem them relevant? And mind you. This is nothing new. Havnt you ever heard of the term going postal? And im sure if the police and FBI start LOOKING (like you admit they do to blacks) for these types of crimes more, there would be many more arrests.


you can't see how that conditions law enforcement to be 'cop smart' towards certain things to look for?
My gripe is why is law enforcement conditioned to only apply stereotypes to blacks?


There are how many shootings in Chicago a month? how many black people arrested in the country a month? i don't know but i'd think it far exceeds any other race of people....which cops are firsthand dealing with on a daily/hourly basis. Then when those consistencies translate to being wise to their job, its construed as the cop must be racist for pulling me over for being black. Again not saying its right, but understand why that happens not based on racism of hating black people.
And I have no problem with this. My point is why do you feel its OK to treat every black person as if theyre Al Capone? Then the black person must prove hes not a threat. And the slightest mishap from that individual could cost him/her his life. Because the officer who already approaches a situation thinking the worse.


But do many ghetto black people gang bang?
No


do many shoot at police?
No



but there is also a reason why latino's are right there, especially in the LA area....gangs. its NOT because cops are racist against blacks and latino's, its regular conditioning to what the real world is and knowing what are normal threats, and to be extra on guard. U can hardly blame them, at least i can't.
Your trying to justify a police officer breaking the law. Its just not right. In the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. Period. End of discussion. No one tells these men and women they have to be police officers.


what i think is ridiculous and laffable, where the biggest sheep in the world buy into, is that every race of every socio economic background is equally liable to commit a crime.
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I think its more socio-economic. Not a matter of race. I could get deeper. But I believe its above your pay grade.

[Godzuki]

Lol..WHAT!!!!!!!?? I asked you a question. There is a general stereotype that Asians cant drive. Should they be profiled as such and then have to profiles acted out on? How the NAACP got involved is beyong me.


This is the best you got? Wow. Comedians? Really? Come on.


Lol. On Nick Cannon "wild n out" show, theres an Asian guy that routinely makes fun of blacks. ROUTINELY. Ive seen white comedians constantly making fun of the way blacks walk and talk. Besides. This is nothing but a straw man.


Well how many of those types of these crimes need to be committed before you deem them relevant? And mind you. This is nothing new. Havnt you ever heard of the term going postal? And im sure if the police and FBI start LOOKING (like you admit they do to blacks) for these types of crimes more, there would be many more arrests.


My gripe is why is law enforcement conditioned to only apply stereotypes to blacks?


And I have no problem with this. My point is why do you feel its OK to treat every black person as if theyre Al Capone? Then the black person must prove hes not a threat. And the slightest mishap from that individual could cost him/her his life. Because the officer who already approaches a situation thinking the worse.


No


No



Your trying to justify a police officer breaking the law. Its just not right. In the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. Period. End of discussion. No one tells these men and women they have to be police officers.


I think its more socio-economic. Not a matter of race. I could get deeper. But I believe its above your pay grade.


my point was we ALL deal with inequities in life. even white people have to deal with minorities having better chances to get into colleges than they do these days if they ahve the same credentials. you want to single yourself out as having it the worst by being profiled, but no you don't, we ALL deal with inequities and issues based on our race. You're not the only ones. Again i can name so many other things that aren't fair or even to other races...

pretty sure i mentioned it occurs in RL commonly...and its rather obvious it does. Don't play stupid :rolleyes:

that exception to prove the norm doesn't work with me, especially in a comedy bit routine...."comedians really, thats all u got?" :lol

I'm sure NOWHERE near the regularity of the every day ghetto black people crime rate....again try to put yourself in the police shoes and not be so defensive. If you see that every day, maybe hourly in some cases, don't u think u become conditioned, even subconsciously to be suspicious of them more than what u see much more rarely? I'll answer that for u...obviously yes.

You just said they did to latino's too, and i agreed, and explained why. Its not only blacks. They pull over EVERYONE. We ALL think they're assholes. You think you're so singled out but there are reasons why you might get more of it than azn's or white people, very LEGIT reasons you refuse to admit or see.

I don't think anyone has anything to fear so long as they're law abiding. Which means follow their direction, don't resist arrest, and nothing like what happened to all of the cases you think are so messed up will happen to you. None of you seem able to acknowledge they did nothing wrong, but its obvious many of them resisted, its just a lot of u keep overlooking that and pretending police are so racist and out to kill black people.

Yes... then who makes up gang bangers? rich white people?

Then who shoots at police? rich azn's?

You just refuse to see whats so obvious that i've explained from a police officeers POV, but it doesn't fit your agenda. Sorry they're not all racist and out to get you. Idc, its hopeless. Hopefully one day you'll be able to put yourself in someone elses shoes. Stop yapping about political correct laws that are contrary to the real world...trying to be a lot more real than that here :facepalm

i think you're too politically correct to be able to think for yourself, and with too much of a agenda to put yourself in a police officers shoes. Its okay you're a sheep like most people who go by the standards of what society deems acceptable and not, instead of judging them realistically for yourself. Lots of people like u so don't feel bad, just know you're not as smart as u think u are....or at the very least me :pimp: